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Topics => 2nd Amendment/Firearms => Topic started by: oldcoastie6468 on January 06, 2014, 04:51:55 PM
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Received via email.
Do you have a gun in your House? When I had my gangrene gallbladder taken out and spent 10 days in the hospital for what should have been an overnight stay the insurance company kicked me out. I had home nurse visits for two weeks and was asked if I had guns in the house. I respond that if I did I would not tell them. So the below has some merit. FYI, I am passing this along...there are comments from two other people that have also been asked if they keep guns in the house. The nurse just kind of slipped it in along with all the other regular questions. I told her I refused to answer because it was against the law to ask.
Everyone, whether you have guns or not, should give a neutral answer so they have no idea who does and who doesn't. My doctor asked me if I had guns in my house and also if any were loaded. I, of course, answered yes to both questions. Then he asked why I kept a loaded gun close to my bed. I answered that my son, who is a certified gun instructor and also works for Homeland Security, advised me that an unloaded, locked up gun is no protection against criminal attack. The Government now requires these questions be asked of people on Medicare, and probably everyone else. Just passing this along for your information: I had to visit a doctor other than my regular doctor when my doctor was on vacation. One of the questions on the form I had to fill out was: Do you have any guns in your house? My answer was None of your business!! So it is out there! It is either an insurance issue or government intervention.
Either way, it is out there and the second the government gets into your medical records (as they want to under Obamacare) it will become a major issue and will ultimately result in lock and load!!
Please pass this on to all the other retired guys and gun owners...Thanks, from a Vietnam Vet and retired Police Officer: I had a doctors appointment at the local VA clinic yesterday and found out something very interesting that I would like to pass along. While going through triage before seeing the doctor, I was asked at the end of the exam, three questions: 1. Did I feel stressed? 2. Did I feel threatened? 3. Did I feel like doing harm to someone? The nurse then informed me, that if I had answered yes to any of the questions, I would have lost my concealed carry permit as it would have gone into my medical records and the VA would have reported it to Homeland Security. Looks like they are going after the vets first. Other gun people like retired law enforcement will probably be next. Then when they go after the civilians, what argument will they have? Be forewarned and be aware. The Obama administration has gone on record as considering veterans and gun owners potential terrorists. Whether you are a gun owner, veteran or not, YOU"VE BEEN WARNED ! If you know veterans and gun owners, please pass this on to them. Be very cautious about what you say and to whom!!
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Hmm, I have 4 staple guns (2 manual & 2 electric), couple of grease guns, air guns, nail guns and a blank powered nail setter. Do they count? My doctor has not asked yet. He's one of the good guys but has to play that lousy game. If he does ask he knows he'll get a BS response from me.
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I'd keep it simple and just say no.
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Hmm, I have 4 staple guns (2 manual & 2 electric), couple of grease guns, air guns, nail guns and a blank powered nail setter. Do they count?
I hope I remember those if the time ever comes. ::cool::
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I did have guns.
Horrible boating accident, you know
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How bout the two guns hangin from my shoulders? Not to mention......Well, I won't mention it.
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How bout the two guns hangin from my shoulders? Not to mention......Well, I won't mention it.
I think they're talking about deadly weapons. Not....well, you know. ::hysterical::
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How bout the two guns hangin from my shoulders? Not to mention......Well, I won't mention it.
I think they're talking about deadly weapons. Not....well, you know. ::hysterical::
Yah, dude; biceps/triceps don't count. Until they do. ::evilbat::
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Hi.
It's me again.
Can you guess what I might be interested in discussing?
Yep. That's right. This email is yet another chain letter spammer scam and is almost totally false.
The NRA/ILA site is most definitely one that I trust to tell the truth about such issues. It is, after all, what they do.
Here is their statement (http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2012/rumor-alert-veterans’-health-and-“sporting-purposes”.aspx) about this very email...
Among the thousands of questions NRA-ILA answers every month by email, phone and letter are scores that begin “This guy told me he heard …” Unfortunately, all too often this is the telltale sign of one of the rampant rumors that circulate around campfires or gun store counters, and especially on the Internet. Three of the most recent top rumors involve veterans’ gun rights, the status of the “sporting purposes” test for firearms importation, and new restrictions on gun shows.
The first of these stems from a widely circulated email, allegedly from a “Vietnam vet and retired police officer,” claiming he visited a Department of Veterans Affairs clinic and was asked several mental health questions. The message goes on to claim that the nurse told him a “wrong” answer would be “reported … to Homeland Security” and result in the loss of his Right-to-Carry permit.
Fortunately for veterans, that warning was incorrect. It’s true that mental health questions are now standard procedure during the patient intake process at VA facilities. That's a result of heightened concern about post-traumatic stress disorder and similar legitimate issues affecting veterans.
However, the Department of Homeland Security isn't the agency that compiles records of people who are prohibited from possessing firearms. The FBI does that, in order to operate the National Instant Criminal Background Check System. And although some VA records are reported to NICS, a record will only be reported if the person has been "adjudicated as a mental defective"—in other words, that the person is mentally incompetent.
At the VA, a person can only be found incompetent after a lengthy process that includes the opportunity for a hearing and appeal. Just telling a nurse you feel "stressed" (as the email claims) wouldn’t be enough. And the NICS Improvement Amendment Act of 2007 not only makes clear that any "adjudication" without those procedures won't result in the loss of gun rights, but also provides a way for those who have been found incompetent to get the finding reversed.
At best, this email is mostly false. Could it happen? Yes. Is it likely to happen to someone who it should not happen to? Probably not.
Not yet, anyway. I mean...of course, it's what they want to happen. But we aren't there yet.
But...another email chain letter that is almost totally bogus.
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As we have seen...going from "yet" to "are" can happen pretty quick.
Especially when unchallenged executive orders are issued like a King's edict.
I have to say I am suurprised, dejected and angered that nobody has stood up in the well of the Senate or in the House chamber and openly called for the people to reject and ignore these illegal edicts!
Our sins must be terribly great to keep suffering such evil on a daily basis!
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Yet with our liberal leadership, spineless republicans and dictator in chief, an e mail such as this is entirely believable.
Kudos Trap. With this group running things, it never crossed my mind to check the validity of the statement, entirely because this is exactly where libs will take us if given any opportunity......and they have all the opportunity today.
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I'm glad this wont apply to me anyway. I don't have A gun in the house...
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I wonder what the doc will do if I whip it out...hopefully not laugh...
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Hi.
It's me again.
Can you guess what I might be interested in discussing?
Yep. That's right. This email is yet another chain letter spammer scam and is almost totally false.
The NRA/ILA site is most definitely one that I trust to tell the truth about such issues. It is, after all, what they do.
*SNIP*
At best, this email is mostly false. Could it happen? Yes. Is it likely to happen to someone who it should not happen to? Probably not.
Not yet, anyway. I mean...of course, it's what they want to happen. But we aren't there yet.
But...another email chain letter that is almost totally bogus.
I work for the largest healthcare corporation in southeast Virginia, I'm also a cancer patient who has been under treatment for about 8 years. I have NEVER been asked about owning firearms by any of my doctors or surgeons and my company does not ask our patients. (Trust me, being the patient SUCKS! But being dead would suck worse I think.) I'm in a position where I would know very quickly if that were ever to change.
My supervisor and coworkers know I own firearms and that Mrs Sailor and I like to go to the range and exercise our 2nd Amendment rights, I've also been asked by coworkers for recommendations for firearm purchases or where to go for training.
I've also never been asked if I carry at work or keep a weapon in my car. Neither is legal on company property.
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I've also never been asked if I carry at work or keep a weapon in my car. Neither is legal on company property.
A couple of years back I got a new bosses boss. You know what they say about first impressions, right? Well he struck me as someone trying too hard. Naturally there are some folks in every organization that are natural suck-ups. And then there are people like me
;D
After being on the job for about a year we had occasion to have a "casual" conversation (helpful hint #466: Nothing is casual in employer/employee relations) and the subject of guns came up. I had heard that he was a shooter and conspicous collector (likes to tell stories about owning guns that would cost me six months salary) so I wasn't surprised. And then he asked me if I owned any guns.
I just smiled and said, "I heard that guns were icky".
He was taken aback by that and didn't know what to make of it. But he quickly figured out that I wasn't going to answer his question. Why not? Because if you own firearms the assumption can be made that there is a better than even chance that you carry a firearm on you. If you carry and drive a company car... 2+2=owie time for the employee. I always carried - even though the company forbade it because my life is worth more than a job.
Then last year they took my company rig away from me as part of a cost saving scheme. Now I drive my own rig and make no bones about packing. Why? Because the state of Washington Supreme Court ruled that employers couldn't bar employees from carrying firearms in their private vehicles - even on company property.
I even offered to show my bosses boss my Saiga 12 with the 20-round drums (what - you don't carry one in your car?! Don't leave home without it!).
My takeaway from this thread isn't if they can ask - or even when they might ask - be how will you answer when they do ask? I think the correct answer is that it depends on the circumstance, on who is asking, and on how tight do they have you by the short hairs.
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This is my rifle...this is my gun...
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"I'd keep it simple and just say no."
If you have filled out an ATF form 4473 (and who hasn't) then you could be proven guilty of perjury.
Check the bottom of the form where you sign it.
IF they bothered to check, you could be in trouble.
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"I'd keep it simple and just say no."
If you have filled out an ATF form 4473 (and who hasn't) then you could be proven guilty of perjury.
Check the bottom of the form where you sign it.
IF they bothered to check, you could be in trouble.
Boating accident ....
Lots of that goin' 'round ....... :supercool:
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Just what is the definition of "house"?
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Just what is the definition of "house"?
A house has 4 walls and a roof.
A home on the other hand....
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Sold all of them and the ammo. I don't own a boat.
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Sold all of them and the ammo. I don't own a boat.
Me neither, since mine sank...with all guns aboard. Sad really. Some of them were family heirlooms.
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Tell them you shipped them all to Mexico, because we know they won't investigate that.
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Sold all of them and the ammo. I don't own a boat.
Me neither, since mine sank...with all guns aboard. Sad really. Some of them were family heirlooms.
I know the feeling. I had the same thing happen to me.
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Tell them you shipped them all to Mexico, because we know they won't investigate that.
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Tell them you shipped them all to Mexico, because we know they won't investigate that.
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Tell them you shipped them all to Mexico, because we know they won't investigate that.
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G hits it out of the park! What a fabulous idea! I am soooo going to use this!
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