It's About Liberty: A Conservative Forum
Topics => 2nd Amendment/Firearms => Topic started by: Weisshaupt on June 19, 2014, 09:30:20 AM
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Maybe I am in an uncharacteristically optimistic mood this morning, but this Video of Color Governor Loopyhiggins (http://hotair.com/archives/2014/06/18/hickenlooper-staffer-promised-id-sign-gun-law-i-never-thought-would-pass-and-by-the-way-its-totally-ineffective/) has me thinking happier thoughts this morning
I think a lot of people didn’t know how much emotion was gonna come out of the high-capacity magazines. [We] probably would have looked for something different or a different approach.
One of my staff made the commitment that we would sign it it got passed. To be honest, no one in our office thought it would get through the legislature.
If we’d known it was going to divide the state so intensely, I think we probably would have thought about it twice…In the end, how important really was it?
After all the kerfuffle, I went back to try to get some facts we should have had at the beginning. They told me there are roughly 300,000 magazine that carry more than 15 rounds in the state of Colorado already…How’s a police enforcement officer going to tell which is the old one and which is the new one? How much of a difference is it gonna make if there are that many?
Of course he had the facts. The pro 2nd Amendment side yelled them repeatedly. The Sheriffs tried to meet with him before he signed the damn thing. So he is just a lying controlling fascist. Or is he?
Maybe he is admitting this level of incompetence because that is really the case? Is he such a sheep himself that it never occurred to him to veto the legislation or get the facts? After all the "legislature" herd has spoken, therefore it must be okay? When that bitch Hudak told that woman that if she was being raped she should just accept it, was she speaking as a sheep: Every once in a while a wolf takes a sheep from the herd. Accept it. Its natural. Its just your time. Was resistance so foreign to her herd animal mind that she couldn't process it any other way?
Could this be happening at the federal level too? I have to admit the leadership class always seems like Dworkins "cheaters" - with herds of "suckers" - but what if the leadership class is still mostly herd animals? Always seeking the herd consensus to come up with their own opinions - even while they are supposed to be leading and forming those opinions. Group think of the masses and hatred of the non-herd conservatives drives decision making. Leading by poll. LoopyHiggins didn't care about the facts because if the "herd wanted it" then the herd could have it.
So what if even top Dems are still herd animals. Obama may just be doing what he does because he thinks its funny.. The Herd says hate conservatives, so he does too , and as opportunities arise, he messes with them. But what if there is no actual conspiracy? No actual plan? What if they are genuinely surprised when the dollar tanks and their good intentions don't work out - just like sheep are surprised by the sun coming up every morning.
From another direction he felt the sensation of being a sheep startled by a flying saucer, but it was virtually indistinguishable from the feeling of being a sheep startled by anything else it ever encountered, for they were creatures who learned very little on their journey through life, and would be startled to see the sun rising in the morning, and astonished by all the green stuff in the fields.” ? Douglas Adams, So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish
I hope beyond hope that this is true. Because that puts us on the path where the Fed just spends itself into irrelevancy. I suppose there could still be a Hitler type who takes control of the herd, but I am not convinced he is already in place. I still remember Obama in those discussions with the GOP before ACA passed. He interjected himself into the conversation like a child, saying something HE THOUGHT was relevant to what the adults were talking about ( Like how his first car didn't have "real insurance" and how the Insurance company lied to him and robbed him.. giving you the idea he still didn't understand what liability insurance is..) - His little chipmunk stance while sitting in the room watching Bin Laden taken down.. he is golfing while Iraq falls, Campaigning instead of getting intelligence briefings leading up to Benghazi and gone the night of.. etc.
A true tyrant wants control... all of the time. He wouldn't miss opportunities to show his power. If Hitler were would he have been during these events?
Obama doesn't care. You get the idea that the actual decision making and control don't interest him. So while there may be
e puppet masters behind the scenes - they may be as herd controlled and as ineffective as Obama is. Hitler was successful because of his cult of personality. Obama (and his puppet master) squandered that . I don't see many Obama bumper stickers now -- even when in Boulder.
And who are the puppet masters? Valerie Jarret? Soros? All of Bilderberg? How many of them are just herd animals too? Look at Pelosi - do you get the idea she understand anything? Or is she just an arrogant bitch who enjoys, like Obama, hurting the evil bad conservative, because the herd says they are evil and bad? Same for Reid.. enrich himself, hurt the bad, where is the plan? I don't think they get past the point to actually planning- because planning require at least a nodding acquaintance with reality. And the herd feels such an understanding is irrelevant. If they want it it will happen. If they don't want it, it should be fought.
If there is no plan, we are preparing to fight a ghost. There will be no human opposition. Just reality demanding it be paid in the consequences we have sown.
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If your supposition is right, who in the hell told the herd in the first place that ....... conservatives are evil ..... and all the rest of what the herd believes?
If the "leaders" are leading from behind the herd, who led the herd to its ideology in the first place?
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If your supposition is right, who in the hell told the herd in the first place that ....... conservatives are evil ..... and all the rest of what the herd believes?
If the "leaders" are leading from behind the herd, who led the herd to its ideology in the first place?
(http://www.religionnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/satan.jpg)
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Okay, I see your point. However, if Satan didn't do his work in the flesh (not out of the question, but I doubt it) ears were whispered into, so whose ears?
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In addition to everyone's other points, this sort of stuck out to me:
One of my staff made the commitment that we would sign it it got passed.
His staff made that commitment? On behalf of the chief executive of the state, the Governor? You mean he can't or won't decide for himself what he will veto and what he won't? Or, more likely, is this just another example of trying to blame anyone and everyone else? Has anyone ever heard a liberal genuinely accept responsibility when their ideas go pear shaped? This is hardly any different than if he pulled an Obama and said he found out about the new law when he read about it in the Denver newspaper.
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Is he up for reelection or something?
He's walking it back to try to make amends, I think. He's a politician. For crying out loud, nothing he says or does is genuine.
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cHickenpooper is full of himself! He knew, his staff knew...everyeffingbody knew...they just chose to not give a flip..they all thought (and not unjustifiably given most history on shakedowns these past several decades) that these threats of consequences and leaving the state were all bullsh*t and once the dust settled it would be just business as usual for politicians...what I believe this idiot actually thought was "I can get away with this" and appease either side and emerge stronger...
He and everyone who helped pass that crap need to go, now...later...whatever...but go away they will...
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Okay, I see your point. However, if Satan didn't do his work in the flesh (not out of the question, but I doubt it) ears were whispered into, so whose ears?
Oh, while I don't discount the involvement of Satan, herd animals are going to be naturally distrustful of anything not part of the herd. Sheep don't trust, and probably resent, the sheep dog as well. They can't really tell the difference between the sheepdog and the wolf, which is why their solution is to attempt to disarm both. They are sheep. Everyone in the herd follows the rules no matter how absurd- which is why they expect wolves will follow gun laws, and expect sheep dogs to do the same.
They hate sheep dogs because they hate anything they don't understand. Same as it ever was.
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Has anyone ever heard a liberal genuinely accept responsibility when their ideas go pear shaped? This is hardly any different than if he pulled an Obama and said he found out about the new law when he read about it in the Denver newspaper.
cHickenpooper is full of himself! He knew, his staff knew...everyeffingbody knew...they just chose to not give a flip..they all thought (and not unjustifiably given most history on shakedowns these past several decades) that these threats of consequences and leaving the state were all bullsh*t and once the dust settled it would be just business as usual for politicians...what I believe this idiot actually thought was "I can get away with this" and appease either side and emerge stronger...
Did he "think" as we understand the term? Did he plan? Or did he just do as he claims, and go along with the herd?
When they refuse personal responsibility, are they acting in bad faith, or because they literally have no concept of personal responsibility - no real identity or thought outside of the herd - the herd whose PRIMARY purpose in their life is to provide safety in numbers ? Everyone else is doing it....
Is it really a barely conscious hive mind we are dealing with and not individuals..
They always assume we are as stupid as they are, did we make the same mistake? We are individuals so we assume everyone else is .. . Maybe THEY aren't. Maybe they really can't see anything they do as belonging to them.. only as belonging to the collective. Yes there are individuals taking advantage of this ( the "Cheater" ) but the number of those individuals maybe much smaller than I have assumed up till now. A great majority of "leftist" leaders might simply be sheep themselves, willing to vote on things without reading them, because that is clearly the way the herd is going... Herd animals run from threats, and they typically run the same direction - away from the threat - be it not being able to afford insurance, your neighbors gun in his gun safe, or an Islamist bitching about a cartoon. . You don't need a leader for that- just one of the herd starts running - instinctively , and those others follow - instinctively. No thought and no planning required. Why else would a Governor be lead around by his staff. Why else would every Democrat in congress vote for a bill they had never seen or read - why else would they continue to support that bill when it becomes obvious it is going to be bad for them personally?
Yes, WE would make personal sacrifices for things we believe in, and so we see a personal sacrifice on their side and ass-u-me its the same. But if I asked any one of you why you wee willing to be gunned down in your driveway - you could tell me why and how you came to that conclusion. The leftist sheep JUST CAN'T. Look at my mother- she can't answer Yes or No questions about her own beliefs with the carrot of getting to see her grandchildren on the line. She hasn't seen them now in over 3 years - and all she would have to do is explain what she thinks and why - and answer my objections. She won't or can't do it, and I am thinking its can't.
Is Loopyhiggins nay different? Is Evie Hudak Different? Are Obama, Pelosi or Reid any different? If you tortured them, do you think any of them could offer anything that resembled a rational thought?
Sowell once said he could destroy any liberal position with 3 questions : "At what cost?" "As compared to What?" and "Do you have any hard evidence of that? "
To this I would add ( also from reading Sowell) - Who has the right to decide? and "After that, then what happens"? - but I am willing to bet that NO ONE HERE has ever got an answer from a liberal on any of them. THEY CAN'T DO IT. They can't compare and contrast - ask them what the Tea Party has in Common with Nazis and they CAN'T DO IT. Ask them what they expect the cost of a policy to be and they CAN'T DO IT. Ask them for Hard evidence and they BALK - everyone ( the herd) knows its true. Ask them who decides, and they always say the Majority- the herd. Ask them what the consequences of their actions will be- AND THEY CAN'T DO IT. If you gave HigginsPooper a truth serum as he signed the bill , what would he have said to those questions? I think they were entirely BEYOND HIS COMPREHENSION. He is five. He, along with the rest of the kindergarten class wants a cookie form the cookie jar, and he is no more capable of listing the pro and cons of that action than a child in that position would be. He doesn't care who owns the cookie jar. He doesn't care if it makes him fat. He doesn't care what a cookie would cost. He doesn't care if there are better, healthier options. He wants a cookie. The other kids want a cookie. They beleive in a world were everyone gets a cookie. They should all get cookies. That is the "thought process" - I want, and I will say and do the stuff I need to to get what I want. If required I will make up a lie or or an excuse later - but there is nothing wrong with that. He got what he wanted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL9mX4Hbc2Q&feature=kp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL9mX4Hbc2Q#)
"I was getting a cookie for you"
They lie as children do. Not from conscious intent, but from animalistic instinct...They WANT and everything they do comes from that. Nothing else. No Principles. No ideology. No Plan. All of that is made up AFTER THE FACT to justify what they did.
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"Is it really a barely conscious hive mind we are dealing with and not individuals.."
A hell yeah, on the whole I think this is right, that is the beauty of being an emoter, an irresponsible oblivion...other people are handling stuff and watching out for my welfare, all I have to do is be the schmuck I want to be and do what I am told or what I think I am told...
But there are shepherds out there who know full well what they are doing, maybe not on every issue, certainly not consciously at times, but they fricken know...
Besides, it is moot...sheep or bad shepherd...I am not letting any statist asshat off the hook, when push comes to shove their guilt for committing crimes against Liberty, God and Humanity are not going to be absolved simply because they chose to be a dumb animal...
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“I didn’t say it’s unenforceable, I said it’s difficult to enforce,” Hickenlooper told the station. “A lot of laws are difficult to enforce; that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be there. If we went through the process again, I’d sign it again.”
He wrongly told the sheriffs that hadn’t spoken about the gun control bills with New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg when it had already been widely reported that he had, based on phone records obtained by Complete Colorado.
A Hickenlooper spokesman told the Denver Post that the governor misspoke on that point.
http://weaselzippers.us/191010-hickenlooper-on-magazine-ban-id-sign-it-again/ (http://weaselzippers.us/191010-hickenlooper-on-magazine-ban-id-sign-it-again/)
BOOM! GUILTY!
Should be rode out of town on a rail!!!
As it is the Counter-Revolution will have to rout this assclown when the rest of the Progressive Alliance is opened up on!!!
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“I didn’t say it’s unenforceable, I said it’s difficult to enforce,” Hickenlooper told the station. “A lot of laws are difficult to enforce; that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be there. If we went through the process again, I’d sign it again.”
He wrongly told the sheriffs that hadn’t spoken about the gun control bills with New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg when it had already been widely reported that he had, based on phone records obtained by Complete Colorado.
A Hickenlooper spokesman told the Denver Post that the governor misspoke on that point.
http://weaselzippers.us/191010-hickenlooper-on-magazine-ban-id-sign-it-again/ (http://weaselzippers.us/191010-hickenlooper-on-magazine-ban-id-sign-it-again/)
BOOM! GUILTY!
Should be rode out of town on a rail!!!
As it is the Counter-Revolution will have to rout this assclown when the rest of the Progressive Alliance is opened up on!!!
So true!