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Topics => TEOTWAWKI => Topic started by: Weisshaupt on March 06, 2015, 06:16:51 PM
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http://accordingtohoyt.com/2015/03/06/winter-at-valley-forge/#comment-247154 (http://accordingtohoyt.com/2015/03/06/winter-at-valley-forge/#comment-247154)
I simply don't know what to do with this sort.
Accept the fact. You will fight as our Founders did at valley forge - with hunger, cold and rifle in hand. Or you won't
This is no longer a political battle.
That was lost.
Ages ago in fact.
You pay in blood and suffering for what you hope for your children or you won't.
That is the ONLY choice before us.
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Well Charlie thinks you know nothing about tyranny. I guess there was no tyranny in 1776 either, by his definition, since the average person on an average day wasn't being brutalized. But just like Jefferson wrote in the DoI, it's the design evinced in the trajectory of events that is tyranny.
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Well Charlie thinks you know nothing about tyranny. I guess there was no tyranny in 1776 either, by his definition, since the average person on an average day wasn't being brutalized. But just like Jefferson wrote in the DoI, it's the design evinced in the trajectory of events that is tyranny.
Charlie seems quite full of himself. I bet he sniffs his own farts, too.
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I've read some of the newer replies today. Man, there's still a lot of people who genuinely believe we're "this close" to finally turning the GOP into a worthy political vehicle. Also more people taking issue with use of the word "tyranny," and that annoys me because in my mind being on a trajectory that leads inevitably to what even they would agree is "tyranny" is virtually the same thing as being under it now.
I think what annoys me most though is how these types dismiss you as wild-eyed and hyperbolic, as if that sort of alarm isn't warranted until "real" tyranny is evident -- yet those people won't do anything about it then, either. These types always look for a reason not to. Always a rationalization for working within the controlled parameters of the regime.
People either get what's unfolding or they don't. Most don't. Best not to trouble yourself over them.
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I think what annoys me most though is how these types dismiss you as wild-eyed and hyperbolic, as if that sort of alarm isn't warranted until "real" tyranny is evident -- yet those people won't do anything about it then, either. These types always look for a reason not to. Always a rationalization for working within the controlled parameters of the regime.
Yes Revolutions are risky, risky things. But the tyranny is here. ( but its an acceptable amount of tyranny! So lets just watch our Jewish neighbors be arrested and hope it ends there!)
If you can't tell, that is what is annoying me as well.
Its not "real" tyranny. What the hell does that mean?
Was it "real" tyranny when the first jew got his number tattoo or when the 100,000th did?!?
By the time they are not hiding their misdeeds, its too late to confront them, because they have the systems in place to ensure you are not a threat.
But Its not as bad as it is overseas! Yeah and its as bad as it is overseas because those people also ignored it as it was growing and festering. Ignored it until it was too dangerous to confront it. They are just like the people who watched their Jewish neighbors' property seized and the families relocated and said to themselves the next election will change it. (and the next.. anything to prevent me from taking personal action and risk)
If the finances and culture were different, and these people were on a sound social and fiscal footing, the time to start shooting them would be now. Before now.. if you actually wanted to retain your freedom.
But these people are NOT on a sound footing, and Police States are expensive and they don't have the ability to unite the victim-hood rabble as the Nazis did with their vision of the pure blood Ayrian. They don't have the ability to generate a pro-war sentiment as the Nazis did. They run out of money, and the dollar is replaced, their power wanes and dies. If I were wild-eyed and hyperbolic, I would still say shoot them now. But our cause would be better served by a tactic of preparing and waiting. (And this Ammo ban is aimed directly at that) No, its not time to start shooting yet, not because we haven't risen to the level where that is justified, but because it would be bad tactics to confront them when they are strong, when you know that if you wait, they will be weaker.
People either get what's unfolding or they don't. Most don't. Best not to trouble yourself over them.
10-12% of the population supported the American revolution. 3% fought in it. At least 80% were this type like Hoyt - the head down in the sand, "I am just living my life, and I hope it works out" type. They will not see tyranny till their own Father, mother, daughter, sister, brother or son are in danger. And then, and only then, will it be "real" tyranny. And there will be no one left to help them. The rest of us were taken long ago.
No I am not troubling over them. I hardly post elsewhere at all anymore. But Hoyt's site is probably rich with people who just need to see what we do, to know others see the same, so I post for them.
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I may be wrong.
I am having a hard time deciding if I am at Hoyt's or Daily KOS
Apparently my punctuation and Capitalization is bothering them.
(seriously, I am INTJ and if it doesn't drive me crazy, then others should leave me alone. I am well aware of my failings in grammar and writing. I wish I could do better. But quite frankly, like any other INTJ, if it doesn't interest me, it doesn't interest me. Its a very petty thing to bring up when more important things are being discussed.)
The best part is when they tell me I don't have an argument and then proceed to ignore what I have said by way of argument.
Or maybe the best part is when they tell me that I am "advocating violence"
Seriously, I am very likely to get the bad end of any violence that ensues. I may not even be able to do my duty and take one with me for lack of skill
But I know the violence is coming. And its not my choice. And somehow pointing that out is offensive. (Apparently tyranny is a bad word..)
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Never let it be said that 'wingers can't be 'tards when they want to be.
I went back and got caught up on that thread. It devolved more or less along the lines that I thought it would but faster than I figured. It turns out that charles has plenty of company at that site and it would appear that they spend a disproportionate amount of time sniffing one anothers' farts.
Anything that I would be tempted to add to the "conversation" would only serve as troll-bait at this point but I am damned tempted to offer up:
"Niemöller would be so proud"
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Guys. Stand fast. We got each other's sixes 'round here so you know you're in good company, yes?
It's the normalcy bias and that will be cured of them right quick when the times comes, but that's on them.
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I went back and got caught up on that thread. It devolved more or less along the lines that I thought it would but faster than I figured. It turns out that charles has plenty of company at that site and it would appear that they spend a disproportionate amount of time sniffing one anothers' farts.
Yes, apparently. I have nothing more to add. I probably added too much already - speeding that de-evolution..
"when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
A DESIGN. You don't have to wait for absolute despotism to arrive, and our founders did not. But yeah, get that perfect GOP candidate in there. It won't roll back Obamacare, stop the NSA from spying, dismantle DHS , get the IRS to be non partisan, fix the supreme court, or restore the basic principles of our Constitution. But I am sure everything will be better somehow.
Their hyper-sensitivity to the word "tyranny" speaks volumes as does their inability to accept that absolute (or "real"TM) tyranny is the end result here given the political track record of the last 150 years. (But I am a wild eyed psychopath lusting after a bloody Civil War just for saying it)
I used Niemöller several times to no effect. No one would even respond to it.(well they may have by now, I am not going back to look)
These guys will still be sitting in their comfy armchairs and bemoaning how the shooting shouldn't have started, and all of the "unnecessary" death and destruction because the level of "real tyranny" hasn't been reached yet....and probably join with the liberals in calling those fighting "terrorists" - even if they are only killing government thugs come to get them in their own yards
It's the normalcy bias and that will be cured of them right quick when the times comes, but that's on them.
I don't think this is (just) normalcy bias-- there is too much desperation and fear in their answers, too much eagerness to dismiss and ridicule in personal attacks rather than attempts at reasoning and normally people like this would love to be condescending AND right. But we are only seeing condescending -no argument as to why what we see now isn't tyranny. No argument as to why they feel our trajectory toward despotism could be affected by a political solution. No one offered up the conditions under which "real tyranny" would be reached and a revolution would be justified.
I think they are simply cowards. I think they already KNOW what we are saying is right. They know a shooting war is inevitable if anything approaching freedom is to be seen in this country again, and they know they lack the conviction and courage to stand up and do the right thing when the time comes. I am sure their mutual fart sniffing is a way of massaging their bruised egos and obfuscating the knowledge that they are future Quislings. No one wants to admit to themselves that they are the Germans who sat there and watched their neighbors be taken, and these people are terrified of those of us who won't just sit there because we represent their greatest failing..
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That kind of hypersensitivity to accurately labeling the enemy is the same dynamic that led to our split from Nano's. Some of us refused to play pretend.
When you make it your business to blow the wind of truth, people living in card-houses try to keep them standing.
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That kind of hypersensitivity to accurately labeling the enemy is the same dynamic that led to our split from Nano's. Some of us refused to play pretend.
When you make it your business to blow the wind of truth, people living in card-houses try to keep them standing.
Yeah, but we are the ones who will die meaningless and ignominious deaths .. LOL
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That kind of hypersensitivity to accurately labeling the enemy is the same dynamic that led to our split from Nano's. Some of us refused to play pretend.
When you make it your business to blow the wind of truth, people living in card-houses try to keep them standing.
Yeah, but we are the ones who will die meaningless and ignominious deaths .. LOL
We may.
I know you were joking but that's the point which eluded them throughout the conversation (and what leads to the greater point): if the system is broken (and everyone believes that it is to one extent or another) is it chicken little-ish to sound the warning?
I don't know (or care) who is a "regular" at Hoyt's site but the psychology at play was unmistakable. When flustered, the betas and the omegas flock to the security of the "alpha" (perceived alpha). In this case it was charlie. Why charlie? Because he was more smug and self-assured - and verbose - than even the Hoyt character. Charlie is an a-hole and not an alpha but they flocked to him instinctively because of the threat to their (ignorant) bliss.
Why didn't they heed Weisshaupt's admonitions and instead attacked him? My guess is that he is perceived as an outsider and that poses a risk to faith. They would rather seek the sanctuary of a flawed known to that of a rationally safer but untested entity.
The more Weisshaupt attempted to reason with them the more resistant and reactionary they became. They even overlooked their own insulting hostility to condemn Weisshaupt's so-called ad hominem. Irrespective of the value of the respective arguments put forth in the conversation they consciously chose to stop considering, stop thinking, and close ranks around a skeptic and denier. The funny/sad thing is that they could have just as easily closed ranks with a firestarter and started running for the hills.
These people aren't salvageable because they don't want to be saved. Any further effort spent is money down a rathole.
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The more Weisshaupt attempted to reason with them the more resistant and reactionary they became. They even overlooked their own insulting hostility to condemn Weisshaupt's so-called ad hominem.
Oh, that was a fair assessment. I went personal with Charlie in direct response to his going personal with me. We both did ad hominem attacks-- I don't know if he really would have sat in his chair if he was in Germany. I merely suspect he would given his comments. Much of the hostility of the group probably stems from that challenge to the "Alpha" - but yeah I am a little frightened by the psychology at work there, but Hoyt did compare me to a Heinlein Villain so I am kinda flattered by that. Hey it turns out INTJs really are villains! I plan to take over the world, rule with the angels and make you leave me the F' alone!
Tyranny!
I think its funnier that they really thought I was suggesting revolution would be justified if tyranny occurred to a single individual.. and took it completely literally, rather than a counter to their absurd assumption that "Real Tyranny" didn't affect individuals - only large groups. And that is the other point they just aren't getting. If and when a revolution starts it will be started by a very small group and spread, because other people feel the same way - and it just doesn't take that many to make life hell for everyone. But pointing that out means I am bloodthirsty - because if I think a revolution is likely, I must want it to happen.
And then that one guy tells us that if we don't think it can be changed within the system and quit, then "its all on us!"
Yeah, here we are, middle of a civil war, guns in hand, millions dead, and this guy gets up out of his arm chair to say "I told you so - if only you hadn't given up on the political solution, the imaginary alternate reality in my head would have turned out SOOO much better!"
Yeah go sit down and feel your self-righteous smugness of being above it all a while longer..
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If only I could be compared to a Heinlein character - good or bad ;)
Not to unnecessarily belabor the point (you can tell me to shut up anytime ;') but I am intrigued by the psychology of it. If *one* perceives danger *one* is urged by a sense of self-preservation to defend himself against said danger. Even if it turns out not to have been a qualifying event self-preservation is instinctive. In healthy beings at least.
I believe that we all know of people who, for one reason or another (and to one degree or another) lack or suppress impulsive self-defense. They often appear indifferent or complacent about danger. Some aggressively seek perilous circumstances. Those who have lost hope ignore danger or self-medicate in order to blind themselves to dangerous conditions.
What is our obligation as fellow humans to intercede in the affairs of others?
When I was a youngster I instinctively recognized the desire within me to help others in need. Just as soon as I was old enough I enrolled as a lifeguard at our local park. I learned both lifesaving techniques and self-defense techniques. I learned that the first rule of lifesaving is that you can't save another life by losing your own. Yes, the very fact that I'm jumping into the water and racing toward someone in distress puts me in greater peril than if I sit on the beach, but I know that I can use the techniques and my judgement to take a calculated risk. And I'm appreciative enough of my mortality that I don't go where I can't get back.
The analogy gets strained a bit when I apply it to a conversation on the intarweb about possible impending doom, but the principles still apply. I am honor and duty-bound to warn them of that cliff but I recognize that there will always be someone who is contrary enough that he will ignore it right up til the point where it bites his head off.
I am reminded of Harry Truman. No, not that Harry Truman, but Harry R. Truman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Randall_Truman). Harry was the caretaker of a lodge at the foot of Mount St. Helens. Harry stubbornly resisted every call to evacuate when the volcano became active. Harry died when the mountain blew and was buried under tons of ash and rock. Poor stupid Harry. Fortunately, not poor, stupid people who tried to reason with Harry. They wisely saw the folly of continued engagement and left Harry to his fate.
"You can lead a liberal to reason but you can't make him think"
This is one of my home-grown axioms. Not exactly original, is it? But it gets the job done and drives the point home. Can I apply it directly to Hoyt's Hooters? Perhaps not but I give them "honorable" mention :o
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"Hoyt's Hooters". Apropos. I finally went and read the comments.
I said it before, we have abuses of power, we have real problems in need of solution. What we don’t have is a coordinated system of tyranny locking down our country and rounding up our populace.
What the hell. What would he call a coordinated system of abuses of power, which is what we do have, if not tyranny? The EPA, OSHA, ATF and the IRS all went after the True The Vote founders.
No, there aren't populace round-ups ..... yet. And the HHes obviously believe there won't be any.
If you cannot draw the distinctions between the depredations of the Nazis in Germany and the problems we’re facing now, you’re a blinkered fool.
Oh, okay; apparently the Nazis fired up the machine full power and overnight, not incrementally.
Who's the blinkered fool?
It's really demoralizing when I think those people, like many on right-leaning sites, don't get it. You, Weisshaupt, and 'Soup are telling them "it's coming" and they're telling you two to stop advocating for it. It's like warning "the British are coming, the British are coming" and having a townsman lean out the window and accuse you of helping them and to stop scaring the children.
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Okay, new screed (http://accordingtohoyt.com/2015/03/07/cake-or-death/), much like the old screed, including
first let’s examine the root of the problem and why I think you’re being led on by a false flag operation of posting sneering comments saying “I’m done.”
My main reason for thinking this is that it was in place before this vote. It was in place before the November elections. It has made comments on some blogs places I no longer venture into. It let up a little after November (had to, right?) but by December, it was back.
That’s neither a sane response, nor a response to something that just happened. It’s a campaign, all over, pushing you like cattle in one direction. We’ll examine that direction in a moment.
Weisshaupt, I demand you (and 'Soup) (and Libertas) stop false flaggin' us ovah heah, ya heah?
She seriously believes because some of US saw, knew and have been speaking of betrayal and perfidy since before the November election, because we saw by December that the SNAFU was to continue, because we knew sooner than THEM and were saying so, that we're working for the other side?
Deluded.
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Okay, new screed (http://accordingtohoyt.com/2015/03/07/cake-or-death/), much like the old screed, including
first let’s examine the root of the problem and why I think you’re being led on by a false flag operation of posting sneering comments saying “I’m done.”
My main reason for thinking this is that it was in place before this vote. It was in place before the November elections. It has made comments on some blogs places I no longer venture into. It let up a little after November (had to, right?) but by December, it was back.
That’s neither a sane response, nor a response to something that just happened. It’s a campaign, all over, pushing you like cattle in one direction. We’ll examine that direction in a moment.
Weisshaupt, I demand you (and 'Soup) (and Libertas) stop false flaggin' us ovah heah, ya heah?
She seriously believes because some of US saw, knew and have been speaking of betrayal and perfidy since before the November election, because we saw by December that the SNAFU was to continue, because we knew sooner than THEM and were saying so, that we're working for the other side?
Deluded.
Great Googly Moogly what a circle jerk!
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Okay, new screed (http://accordingtohoyt.com/2015/03/07/cake-or-death/), much like the old screed,
Guess I and quite a few others got to her huh? But hey, I work for a special ops Russian spy ring that runs false flags to demoralize people like her. Speaker Boner is in the ring too- that is why he reliably does things to demoralize her too. Seriously?
Yeah its all of the doom and gloom, "let it burn" talk that has be convinced that the GOP won't lift a finger to help - not their solid track record of doing jack sh*t.
She is right that the hard winter may very well lead to Man on a White Horse syndrome. That is why this is very, very risky. Most revolutions end exactly the way she describes - in brutal dictatorships. But then most revolutions happen in back-assward countries where freedom is shunned by all and the military has the only guns. But armed revolution is our last chance, if she sees it or not. I love how they are talking about "lists" in the comments- and how horrible it would be if people started working down them killing their "friends and neighbors"
Those friends and neighbors voted to violate the social contract at its very roots. They voted to ignore the rights of others and to "transform America" into a system where political power comes form the barrel of a gun. They will get exactly what they have asked for. That hard winter will be bloody and terrible. But its either that or accept their slavery.
Give her ten more years she says.. the dollar doesn't have ten more years. Sorry. Let the Democats have control. Let them destroy the economy and become despotic enough that they see "Real Tyranny" ( since they can't see how the Nazis really did it bit by bit and can only see the mass murder, boxcars and camps at the very end) Ten years or 20 or 30 will not change this culture, nor will the govt suddenly give up the power it has accumulated because Hoyt gets a genuine Tea Party person or two elected. That person is simply blackmails - or failing that meets with an accident.
Why can they not see that this ends one way? - the the design is obvious.
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Why can they not see that this ends one way? - the the design is obvious.
You know Fran Porretto writes that "obvious" means overlooked? That's what they're doing, missing it on purpose because it's "too terrible to contemplate". Hell, my 82 year-old Mother, born, raised and living most of her life in NJ, knows civil war is coming and while she votes Republican and her daughter is vastly to the right of her, even she sees it as inevitable.
It's too bad she's this old and in ill health. I've seen her brawl and she'd have been hell on wheels.
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Why can they not see that this ends one way? - the the design is obvious.
You know Fran Porretto writes that "obvious" means overlooked? That's what they're doing, missing it on purpose because it's "too terrible to contemplate". Hell, my 82 year-old Mother, born, raised and living most of her life in NJ, knows civil war is coming and while she votes Republican and her daughter is vastly to the right of her, even she sees it as inevitable.
Go Fran.
too terrible to contemplate for them means that they can't do what needs to be done - and they know it.
its just depressing when people who are supposedly on our side - who need our support if they actually think they have a chance of doing anything politically, think the best way to build such a coalition is to be dismissive and rude. I pick on Hoyt at times, but I have actually always kinda liked her take on things. But this showed me a different side of her, and I don't like it. I understand the desire to think there is still hope to solve this without bloodshed, but 10 minutes with any liberal will convince you otherwise. Hoyt pins her hopes on Liberalism being a "positional good" - something that will diminish as soon as its no longer popular - but I doubt it. They have ALWAYS been with us, they always will. The key here is making sure they never, ever , get into power again. They have no morals, no conscience, no empathy and truly believe that their good intentions justify the worst evils. Hoyt and her crowd simply do not understand the enemy. The left really really don't see any reason to live and let live, and won't see it even when looking down the barrel of your gun. The Civil war is going to be awful, but the tyranny the left would impose is worse still, and this time the tech exists to make Brave New World or 1984 real. Hoyt doesn't understand that is where they dream of going, and will go. Hell she can't even see the tyranny already in place (after all, its petty tyranny to have your business ruined and your property confiscated because you refuse to bake a cake for a couple of godless queers. )
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Wow. Just caught up on this thread...and after sifting through the linked bilge I can only come to the conclusion that these poor creatures are truly and completely f**ked in the head...and even worse I think deep down in their gut they know they are completely full of sh*t. Pan said early we should just pay them know mind...that their delusion is on them, well that is true but not quite true enough...part of it is on us and those like us that might be in their acquaintance, to warn them the error of their ways (more on the latter below). Sam Adams, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, etc did not give up on arguing for Liberty when faced with foot-draggers like John Dickenson...in the end people were swayed to Independence and Liberty or abstained or had others sit in their stead. We are at a greater disadvantage than the Founders faced. Back then the population was roughly split in thirds...for Liberty, for England and the neutrals out only for themselves. Today we have a hard third for Tyranny and soft-headed majority of 50% Loyalists of mixed political affiliation and philosophy and 20% who know something stinks when they smell it...and of the latter if we have 3-5% willing to fight Tyranny then that is the way it shall be. These fools at Hoyt's will be begging for mercy as they are herded into cattle cars from people who will show then none. Let them call us names...in the end, when it is too late for them...they will remember our warnings and they will weep with a sickening sorrow their souls have never felt before, and may God have mercy on their souls. About the only benefit I see from them is that it should tie up a lot of resources to do that rounding up and shipping off, maybe we can misbehave mightily at that time.
Oh and, as far as this is concerned...
"Weisshaupt, I demand you (and 'Soup) (and Libertas) stop false flaggin' us ovah heah, ya heah?"
Those people are completely unsane...we did not cause McConnell and Boehner to surrender immediately after the election and give Obama and the Dem's everything they asked for...what the frack is their batshyt insane loginc on that one? The only thing they could argue that would have a modicum of intelligence applied to it would be that they did it to put people like us in their place, that this is who they are, and they better STFD and STFU because that is the way it is...you get us, or you get them...and they stupidly think that by their actions there is much a difference between the two!!! And why would we need to be put into our place if what we warned about did not come to pass? fricken fools!
They are the False Flag, everybody sticking up for the E-GOP are the False Flag ringleaders! Look to yourselves, fools!
Screw them. Like the Dem's, these people are the walking dead...their brains are dead, the rest is just waiting to catch up...
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If you cannot draw the distinctions between the depredations of the Nazis in Germany and the problems we’re facing now, you’re a blinkered fool.
Oh, okay; apparently the Nazis fired up the machine full power and overnight, not incrementally.
Another comment suggested that we bear only a superficial resemblance to the NAZI's at this point as well. They simply do not understand ( and do not want to ) how the NAZIs came to power - despite that fact that is exactly what Hoyt appears to be afraid of if the revolution occurs. The Nazis came to power during a period of hyper inflation and economic hardship. They came to power by using private and state power to persecute their opposition. First in small harassing ways - breaking up political meetings with thugs, graffiti , boycotts of businesses by placing armed thugs in front of stores and so on. (Hey wasn't there a bunch of armed thugs in front of polling places recently.. oh never mind.) - As they came into real government power, they started using State power to arrest people, seize their property, and make the harassment and persecution of undesirables more universal ( Gun laws, Obamacare Right of Conscience violations, Pro-gay legislation) . Agit Prop to make sure you knew who the enemy is ( hint: Tea party and sovereign citizens are terrorists!) Strengthening of the police state ( DHS now has direct access to NSA records, Pre-placement of heavy military gear, ammo purchases, and the right to do Civil asset forfieture ( size property without trial) They are taking over communications - The FCC internet rules , google scrubbing search terms so only sites that tell the "truth" appear, spying on/leaning on journalists
All that is that funny period you mention where the NAZIs didn't grow to full power overnight. That is the stage we are in now. They are seeing how far they can go before the Guns come out. ( Bundy Ranch anyone) Hoyt and her bunch will see these as "isolated incidents" and "general humanf**kupedness" (my grammar is atrocious - but she can make up a word like that..) and not systemic, even though its planned, well-thought out probing and trial balloons.
Also, if you missed it, Sipsey Street irregulars is reporting Direct interference with communications (http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2015/03/the-idea-of-arrest-or-harm-is-not.html) and travel plans for their groups. We are a long way from shooting? Better tell these guys that (http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2015/03/us-marshals-service-risking-civil-war.html)
And don't forget your papers! (http://ericpetersautos.com/2015/03/06/back-door-for-real-id/) because things are in the works to restrict travel for everyone.
But remember that is all superficial. Because I use the word "superficial" to describe it.
Tea Party Patriots is working on a money bomb (https://secure.teapartypatriots.org/tpp/6_year_money_bomb/HOU4138) - they had a Million Dollar goal. They are at maybe an 1/8 of that. The "false flag" defection of the e-GOP ( while all of the above is going on) seems to have had a demoralizing effect.
Hoyt's Pollyanna days are coming to a close.. She can stand above us screaming we are all bloodthirsty, but that won't change what is coming. Yes, I hope for a bloody revolution because I do not believe there is ANY OTHER WAY to restore liberty to my children. But I don't plan to be able to fight in this revolution - my age and physical conditions preclude it. I will defend my family. I hope I don't have to. But I do not believe there is any other way to make liberals respect the rights of others or a social contract to create a limited government other than to stick a gun into their faces.
Maybe Hoyt will get her ten years before it all goes. But they aren't going to do it with Jeb Bush in office and I am still taking bet he is the nominee. TPTB have decreed it. TPTB use the GOP as the vehicle to push the most unpopular agenda items, and that means a Woodrow Wilson like era of "loyalty laws", overseas military action, and so on. Having Hillary in office will actually hinder them I think (not much , but maybe some) because they are betting on the Republican Blind loyalty to country - and maybe there is enough of that left - but less than they think.. its not my country anymore.
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You know those ultraviolet lights you see in the food prep area of restaurants? There's a suction duct right under those lights, so when flies and other bugs are attracted to the UV light they get sucked up. It helps keeps the kitchen sanitary by eliminating insects.
That's the GOP. They are the bright shining UV decoy, whose entire purpose is to attract the votes of people like us so they can then be disposed of unceremoniously. If it were not so, we would have seen proof by now. They have been given electoral victories of historic margins over the past several years, and should have been emboldened by this mandate from the voters, yet they have consistently and inexplicably failed to take advantage of it. No need to ask why anymore.
Just because we don't have active tyranny right now (though that is becoming increasingly debatable, given the now-routine circumvention of the 4th Amendment, etc) that does not change the fact that the apparatus of tyranny is being assembled at a furious pace. The apparatus is already in place to enable turn key tyranny. When you combine this with an obvious intent, it is stupid not to call it for what it is.
These people are proof of the saying "the amount of tyranny you get is exactly the amount you are willing to accept." That is my main problem with them. We should be willing to accept none. By their way of thinking, we'll always have just slightly less than an intolerable amount of it. Such a system may not mean gulags and cattle cars, but it is a long way from freedom too.
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Exactly, they have fallen for soft tyranny and history has ALWAYS shown that governents on such a trajectory always push a little bit more that direction each and every day...until one day...perhaps once the right (by right I mean wrong) people (or just one person) obtains power and the final push over the precipice is as easy as pie...
The GOP has had literally dozens and dozens of chances these past 26 years...and what have they DONE?! Enough talk about what they want to do, hope to do, wish they could do...what have they DONE?
Therein lies your answer.
They and their ilk...like Loyalists back in the day...will get what is coming to them...and I think they'll get more than they got back in the day...
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Just because we don't have active tyranny right now (though that is becoming increasingly debatable, given the now-routine circumvention of the 4th Amendment, etc) that does not change the fact that the apparatus of tyranny is being assembled at a furious pace.
The tyranny IS active now - at the "lets make examples of certain individuals" and "lets see what we can get away with before they point rifles at us" stage.
Gibson Guitar, True the Vote, Numerous Tea Party Groups, the Bundy Ranch, prosectuions of "Anti-gay" businesses, The Various Pro gun rallies and protests, the Govt shut down of Privately leased property, illegal Blanket Anmesty, Operation "Choke point", the Title IX memos, the FCC internet regs, ammo bans and so on. All of them are TYRANNNY by definition (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tyranny) regardles sof Hoyt and her ilk are willing to recognize them as such. They are also systematic as they can be used ANYWHERE in the system to attack anyone. But to Hoyt I guess its only systematic if they attempt to attack EVERYONE instead of trying to create a chilling effect through attacking some.. First they Came for the Jews, but they are only SOME of the people, so its all okay according to Hoyt.
tyranny
noun tyr·an·ny \?tir-?-n?\
: cruel and unfair treatment by people with power over others
: a government in which all power belongs to one person : the rule or authority of a tyrant
plural tyr·an·nies
Full Definition of TYRANNY
1
: oppressive power <every form of tyranny over the mind of man — Thomas Jefferson>; especially : oppressive power exerted by government <the tyranny of a police state>
2
a : a government in which absolute power is vested in a single ruler; especially : one characteristic of an ancient Greek city-state
b : the office, authority, and administration of a tyrant
3
: a rigorous condition imposed by some outside agency or force <living under the tyranny of the clock — Dixon Wecter>
4
: an oppressive, harsh, or unjust act : a tyrannical act <workers who had suffered tyrannies>
See tyranny defined for English-language learners
See tyranny defined for kids
Examples of TYRANNY
The refugees were fleeing tyranny.
He was dedicated to ending the tyranny of slavery.
a nation ruled by tyranny
She felt lost in the bureaucratic tyrannies of the university system.
The king sought an absolute tyranny over the colonies.
The above are examples of " oppressive power exerted by government" - they can't even cover it with the color of law- the Constitution expressly forbids what they are doing.
By their way of thinking, we'll always have just slightly less than an intolerable amount of it. [/quite]
Hoyt said an example of the intolerable would be if the FCC regs end up standing and being enforced. Want to bet that from now on she believes that they will be repealed. Any day now. No Really. Any day. So they become "tolerable"
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Wow. Just caught up on this thread...and after sifting through the linked bilge I can only come to the conclusion that these poor creatures are truly and completely f**ked in the head...and even worse I think deep down in their gut they know they are completely full of sh*t. Pan said early we should just pay them know mind...that their delusion is on them,
They've completely given in to their fears and that's because they gave up in their heads a long long time ago. They have become hopeless. Which is really all based on fear.
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Exactly, they have fallen for soft tyranny
Now that I think about it, "soft tyranny" is a term I would accept for what is happening. But you see Libertas, soft tyranny isn't "real tyranny"
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And coincidentally ( I think) we have from Ann B: (http://www.barnhardt.biz/2015/03/04/laboravi-clamans/)
1.) I start writing, and while I certainly could comment on everything, I simply have no drive to do so. I warned and warned, screamed and screamed. It’s too late now.
I wrote a piece for AmericanThinker.com nearly four years ago titled, “We the Stupid”. And people are STILL convinced, after all of this, that their government is legitimate, and that this can all be undone and fixed peacefully, through elections and the extant paradigm. It can’t. Someone told me just a few weeks ago that “there isn’t going to be any war, and you are crazy to think that there will be.” And you know, he may be right. War involves fighting. At this point, I don’t think there will be any real resistance. And I’m not just saying that as some sort of reverse psychology trick in order to get people riled up. This culture, even the “good” part, is so far gone and so effeminate (more on this below), that it is incapable of even the most mild act of resistance or self-defense.
This is what I wrote four years ago.
Finally, I do not understand how it can possibly be that conservative writers are still addressing Obama as if he is actually trying to help the economy, but his well-intentioned policies are failing.
Obama is the enemy. Obama is a Marxist-Communist usurper and puppet front for a cabal of Marxist-Communists who are actively trying to destroy the United States of America. Everything they have done, are doing, and will do has the single goal of collapsing and destroying the U.S. economy, military, constitutional government and culture. What part of “Marxist Revolution” do you not understand?
The Obama regime is not a failure. The Obama regime is not incompetent. The Obama regime has achieved more in two and a half years than anyone could have possibly foreseen. It has debased the currency by 50% of the GDP and guaranteed that our economy will collapse. It has looted the Treasury for more than the size of a top-ten economy and embezzled that wealth into the hands of their fellow Marxists in preparation for the final collapse of the United States. It has ground the economy of the United States to a screeching halt. It has destabilized the entire Muslim world and ensured that there will be a nuclear war centered around Israel within the decade.
The Obama regime has no interest whatsoever in “stimulus” or “getting folks back to work.” How can you not understand this? How can we possibly win this war if we refuse to come to terms with the fact that we are, in fact, fighting a war?
God save the United States of America, because the people are far too stupid to do it themselves.
2. I want to make a distinction between effeminacy and, for the sake of clarity, “swishing faggotry”. Most men today are still, in fact, heterosexual. But they are extremely effeminate. Whilst being sexually oriented towards heteronormative acts (simply put, they “like girls”), their mode of being, of addressing the world, is almost completely feminized. When confronted with a problem, their method of dealing with it is to first DENY THAT THE PROBLEM EXISTS. Eyes down. Look away. DON’T TALK ABOUT IT. Pretend nothing is wrong, and eventually the problem will either go away, fix itself, or someone else (namely “a man”), will solve the problem for us, out of sight, and then we won’t ever actually have to deal with it. This is how females are generally wired, because women are physically weaker than men, and the best way for a woman to keep from getting raped and murdered is to AVOID combat situations in the first place. This is what today’s post-Christian western man has been trained to do and be since infancy.
The other profoundly feminine mode of avoidance is something I observe on a near-daily basis. It is the strategy that says, “Let’s wait to do anything until it is too late to do anything. Then it won’t be our fault, because it will have been too late to do anything.” This is such transparent cowardice, but oh, so attractive to the effeminized men of today. It is painted not as the abject cowardice and impotence that it is, but rather as “prudence”. It is now believed that the prudent man is not the man who discerns and does the right, but rather the man who does NOTHING.
I am reminded of Bonhoeffer’s quote: “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”
No, the hallmark gesture of today’s effeminized man is not the limp wrist and swishing hips of the “faggot”. The hallmark gesture of today’s effeminized post-Christian western man is the SHRUGGING OF THE SHOULDERS. Devoid of virility, devoid of potency, and at its core, devoid of CHARITY, today’s man, when confronted with evil, turns his head away to the side, shrugs his shoulders, and bleats out his twin mottoes:
THERE’S NOTHING I CAN DO ABOUT IT.
I DON’T CARE – IT’S NOT MY PROBLEM.
And so, many people look at the oligarch class, these nefarious characters infecting every corner of society, from the halls of academia, to the corporate boardrooms, to the halls of government, to the halls of the Church, and they see, generally, drooling imbeciles. And they then think that surely these drooling imbeciles will do themselves in – all we need do is wait for them to trip over their own thingamajigs and beat themselves. But that isn’t going to happen. They will continue to roll. They will continue to march down the field, because not only are we not mounting an effective defense – MUCH LESS any sort of counter-offense, WE AREN’T EVEN FIELDING A TEAM.
If two teams are playing, and one team is the “NFL Dream Team of All Time” and the other team is comprised of a blind, mentally retarded three year old, the blind, mentally retarded three year old, ALONE, can beat the NFL Dream Team of All Time IF the Dream Team never comes out of the locker room. The blind, retarded three year old can literally run up and down the gridiron, scoring at will, so long as the Dream Team remains in the locker room, watching the blind, mentally retarded three year old cross the goal line time after time, shrugging their shoulders, declaring, “There’s nothing we can do about it. Whatever. It’s not my problem.”
And what is never shown on camera or discussed is the “coach” (satan) and “assistant coaches” (demons) on the sidelines, coaxing and calling the mentally retarded three year old down the field to uncontested score after uncontested score.
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They've completely given in to their fears and that's because they gave up in their heads a long long time ago. They have become hopeless. Which is really all based on fear.
Oh, I think fear is quite a rational response, and they are behind our curve for sure, so far behind they may never catch up. But I remember the nightmares and thoughts I had dealing coming to the realization that open conflict with "friends and neighbors" as they say, is both necessary and what it would mean in terms of my decision making and dealing with life , and none of it was pleasant.
But as Commissioner Gordon said in 'The Dark Knight Returns" ,
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/weisshaupt/batman_sarah_zpst0lldn9o.jpg)
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... I do not understand how it can possibly be that conservative writers are still addressing Obama as if he is actually trying to help the economy, but his well-intentioned policies are failing.
This is what so disgusted me about McCain "we have nothing to fear from an Obama presidency" -- what the hell kind of election opponent SAYS SUCH A THING -- and then again with Romney asserting Obama's "good intentions".
During both elections, both men treated their Republican opponents as they should have treated Obongo, while letting Obongo skate. This is when I became aware that something more bigger was rotten in DC.
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Exactly, they have fallen for soft tyranny
Now that I think about it, "soft tyranny" is a term I would accept for what is happening. But you see Libertas, soft tyranny isn't "real tyranny"
And these people see things in such a pure absolutist light, don't they? Ironic, that. Oh, and naive and stupidly evil it also is. In their petty little minds as long as they can roam about in pseudo freedom (ie-they have not been molested, investigated, harassed or mistreated in any way...yet...by Statists) they think any publicized events happening to strangers is just an abberation not worth thinking about or extrapolating any meaning to.
They behave exactly like dumb bleeping animals...and they'll be treated accordingly.
Oh, and this is a gem Weisshaupt - I am reminded of Bonhoeffer’s quote: “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”
But seriously...Ann is being a bit a of a silly goose...such Judeo-Christian moralizing only works for those with a functioning soul and conscience, and without that I'll bet there is not courage or bravery to be had...effeminized man appears to be in the majority...she got that part right. And I think most are in politics...and they dominate the GOP.
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But seriously...Ann is being a bit a of a silly goose...such Judeo-Christian moralizing only works for those with a functioning soul and conscience, and without that I'll bet there is not courage or bravery to be had..
Oh, I am pretty sure Ann fully knows the futility of it. She posts less and less often , and when she does, more and more about her religious ideas and thoughts, rather than the same old tired screed.
I start writing, and while I certainly could comment on everything, I simply have no drive to do so. I warned and warned, screamed and screamed. It’s too late now
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I wonder if it bothers Ann having to quote Dietrich Bonhoeffer, a member of the Prussian Confessing Church (Lutheran/Calvinist).
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I wonder if it bothers Ann having to quote Dietrich Bonhoeffer, a member of the Prussian Confessing Church (Lutheran/Calvinist).
I doubt it. Truth is where you find it..
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Here you go:
http://www.dethguild.com/a-reply-to-sara-hoyt/ (http://www.dethguild.com/a-reply-to-sara-hoyt/)
This letter is in response to the article Author Sara Hoyt wrote on her website According To Hoyt, in which she requested the angry and betrayed masses composing the Republican’s voting base “hang tough” and “suffer through Vally Forge.”
What follows is our reply:
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Ma’am, we like your writing, and hold you in high regard, but, we’re going to be brutally honest with you. (Because we’re candid with people we respect).
You’re out of your pretty little skull if you think we will ever give the Republican Party another hay-penny or vote after what they just did. These hucksters spent the better part of a year lying to us about their intentions and heaping layer upon layer of scorn on our cherished beliefs. The traitors campaigned on stopping illegal Amnesty and Obamacare. FULL STOP. These GOP charlatans had one. single. job. – and we empowered them in every way necessary to do exactly that. They could have done nothing. NOTHING. End of story. Nothing. They could have packed the bags, gone home, and won the day for liberty.
But no – the Chamber of Commerce would have NONE OF THAT.
Instead of winning, the Republicans not only crossed boundaries to cooperate with the Democrats, (to make brutally certain they eviscerated us ugly tea party muppets), they then collaborated with the house minority to shield Boehnor from what should have been a career ending backstab. This betrayal is 1856 bad. What you just witnessed friends, was the death of a political party – the Neo-Whig Party tore it’s wrists open – live… and in real time.
This act of throat slitting was beyond contemptible. It was beyond the pale, and nearly beyond our ability to properly express with mere words. Murderous rage given a voice. The literary equivalent of Van Gough’s “Scream.” Some things you don’t come back from Mrs Hoyt. Sometime the damage done is irreparable. For example: Introducing twenty-million-plus Mexican statists. Congratulations – the Republican party just effectively swung Texas blue. Be patient? Suffer through? Persevere? TO WHAT END!!!! This cannot be undone!!!! This will never be FIXED! This play was for the entire game ma’am!
(We won’t even go into how badly this shredded the last tatters of our rent constitution. OK, we lied – we’ll do just that – The legislative branch, due to the willful and deliberate actions of the Republican party, just canonized Obama’s executive overreach! It’s now precedent! They gave their imprimatur to Hussein’s lawlessness! It will forevermore be used to justify scores more usurpations).
After this… after enduring the willing hate hurled at us by the establishment… you would have us… “ONE LAST TIME!” dine on grilled scat courtesy of our Republican Chefs? Ma’am… with all due respect… you are asking too much of this old man and his family. We will self-edit our true feelings on your “plan,” out of professional respect for your body of work – and the assumption that you accidentally tripped tonight and cracked your head on the tile floor. Please seek immediate medical treatment. This is looking more and more like a concussion.
Finally, we’re going to take “issue” with the whole “We are making conservative inroads into the Republican party” business. Would you please go examine who all “signed off” to allow these various travesties to even come TO a vote? Red State has the numbers – the REAL vote took place procedurally in both the house and senate. The sham votes on the actual legislation – as outrageous as they may be – were engineered to “protect” as many Republicans as possible. This whole thing was a preordained farce from the second the 2014 campaign season started. The number of RINOS, traitors, owned and black-mailed are far greater than the actual vote would indicate. (Or do we need to remind you that these “Stalwarts of Modern American Conservatism” re-coronated Boehnor as their near first official act)?
This is ruinous. We are now doomed to have our voice negated whole-cloth by an unending Tsunami of illegals, who vote reliably statist… no Ma’am. You’re trying to lead us somewhere we won’t… no… CAN’T follow you. We have honor and principle – the Republican party has neither. We cannot ever again condone these lying weasels. And frankly, that’s pretty unfair to liars and weasels. We don’t know if it’s fair to ANY word in any language really. Perhaps we need to invent one for the Republicans. Something that accurately reflects the hatred we feel towards them.
How about we settle on “OMNILOATH?”
Such is the magnitude of this betrayal that even the “We Republicans are Less Evil than the Democrats” argument fails on it’s face. From our way of seeing things, funding the ACA coupled with introducing millions of foreign voters was a blow the likes of which America has not suffered since Woodrow Wilson dismembered the Senate. Less evil? How about “Equally Evil AND Stupid?”
We are done with seeking peaceful redress of our grievances, and through looking for “President Washington.” We’re seeking our “General Washington” – and searching for him now – not in another thirty years after Google has filled is quota of H1B Visas. We’ve been convinced he’s required before we can shuffle onward to “President Washington.”
No more Ma’am. Just… no more. This is intolerable. You cannot… EVER put a Goddamned cherry on top of this sh*t-cream-sundae. Not with all the maraschino cherries in all the galaxies and parallel universes combined.
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Here you go:
http://www.dethguild.com/a-reply-to-sara-hoyt/ (http://www.dethguild.com/a-reply-to-sara-hoyt/)
Go read the f**king comments in that sh*thole – what an outrageous RINO echo-chamber cesspool. Those idiots really would eat anything their whip-crackers fed them. They are every solitary bit as bad as the worst barking moonbats, and they can’t even see it. I am f**king amazed, and the little bit of faith I still had left in humanity has now been decidedly crushed.
Let.
It.
Burn.
Yeah. That.
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Ya know what the denyers will pull from that excellent reply? "You are racist because you called him Hussein."
I'd lay down a cool $hundo says somebody brings it up.
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It's not exactly breaking in Sara's direction very well, is it?
I may go back and troll ::devil::
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I was just reading that G!
Follow the crumbs! This thing has really set people off. I think a seminal moment has been reached for millions of Americans, we simply are not going to put up with this sh*t anymore...it may be a bit too late as far as peaceful restoration hopes go, but it should be encouraged to cause the break needed to let Statists of all stripes know the phoney baloney game is once and forevermore, over.
*Emperor Misha -
"Weepy Boner and Mitch McCockless"
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"Let it burn. Oh, and remember our suggestion that it might be a good idea to vote Democrat in Ohio if that’s what it took to unseat Boner? Remember how that was 'too much' and 'beyond the pale' and 'you’re ridiculous!' Yeah, about that… Thatisall. Wake us up when the shooting starts. We’re done."
http://nicedoggie.net/?p=10952 (http://nicedoggie.net/?p=10952)
Letters are swell, but they can be tossed out...harder to do with swarms of pissed of people... ;)
http://www.wnd.com/2015/01/voters-feel-betrayed-by-gop-warns-radio-talker/# (http://www.wnd.com/2015/01/voters-feel-betrayed-by-gop-warns-radio-talker/#)!
RepublicRats, eff 'em.
http://www.redstate.com/diary/traversecityconservative/2014/12/17/leaving-republicans-mark-levin-right-im-inch-away-leaving-gone/ (http://www.redstate.com/diary/traversecityconservative/2014/12/17/leaving-republicans-mark-levin-right-im-inch-away-leaving-gone/)
Boehner = Judas. Can't argue with that. But there be a lot of Judas's in the GOP!
http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/boehner-goes-full-judas-again-this-time-75-republicans-betray-voters-with-him (http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/boehner-goes-full-judas-again-this-time-75-republicans-betray-voters-with-him)
Direct confrontation. Fukkin-A!
http://www.qando.net/2013/08/06/the-need-for-more-direct-action-against-the-gop-establishment/ (http://www.qando.net/2013/08/06/the-need-for-more-direct-action-against-the-gop-establishment/)
I think the GOP is going to have its ass literally kicked in, I think these assholes have effed over enough people that more are now willing to walk away from them rather than feel like a cheap street-walking whore and cast their lot with them one more time. I think they are in the process of becoming extinct. Their death throes will not be pretty, they'll last out and curse us, call us what they in fact are - traitors. They'll be spewing and spinning their heads around like a possessed person. But they will be trounced, they will be forced to go down crying and pleading and lying their asses off, or they'll jump to the DemonRat Party...or they'll just take their campaign cash and disappear. But they will be done.
God praise the day!
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It's not exactly breaking in Sara's direction very well, is it?
That may be good news.. Maybe the preference cascade against the GOP is finally happening, and there could be a viable 3rd party in a few years. I won't ever vote GOP again. I might vote for a 3rd party. Might. There is precious little time left, and of course this is how it worked beofre the Civil war too.. the GOP was the third party then, and got into high office just in time for all hell to break loose. Of course, that took more time than I think we have left.
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I hate the E-GOP more than I do the Democrats. The Democrats are what they are. They are the domestic enemies of Western Civilization. But there is an affirming clarity in knowing who your enemy is and deciding to face him down. Far more dangerous are the duplicitous snakes who secretly work with the enemy, promising to lower the drawbridge under cover of dark in exchange for Lands & Titles from the new liege lords once the fighting is over.
They all need to be dancing the dead man's jig as far as I'm concerned.
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Yup.
Can't deal with existential scum until their enablers are swept aside.
Really explains why the DemonRats are so eager to keep Boehner as Speaker, eh?
The Dem's employing that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend..and once they are dealt with I will go back to hating my friend and slay him" strategy.
A Mohammadan strategy at that too...which fits...
L.I.B.
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It's not exactly breaking in Sara's direction very well, is it?
That may be good news.. Maybe the preference cascade against the GOP is finally happening, and there could be a viable 3rd party in a few years. I won't ever vote GOP again. I might vote for a 3rd party. Might. There is precious little time left, and of course this is how it worked beofre the Civil war too.. the GOP was the third party then, and got into high office just in time for all hell to break loose. Of course, that took more time than I think we have left.
I haven't considered myself a pubbie for a long time (a fact which causes considerable consternation with my older brother). I vote for the person that most closely reflects my views and values. They just happen to be affiliated with the GOP. When they "F" me I don't vote for them again. I worked to elect a state senator and he "F'd" us on the phagmarraige thing so I will never support him again. My brother points out the things he did that helped our cause and tries to rationalize the betrayal. I can't (won't) forget.
The thing my brother agonizes over the most is that if we abandon the GOP on principle and insist that we only support conservatives the left will win (at least until we reorganize or build anew). To that I point out McStain and Mittens and ask where that got us? Reconcile yourself to the fact that it is going to be a long, cruel haul with few successes and fewer friends.
Of course this is the same brother who regales me of anecdotes of contending with room-fulls of people like Hoyt's Hooters. He admits that he is like a salmon swimming against the currents. He hates it when I point out that when the fishies are doing that they are going home to die.
Sobering thought, innit?
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I like thought food. ::thumbsup::
PS-Looks like the Hoyt posting has fizzled off into the E-GOP echo-chamber congratulating itself and stoking the shared delusion that the GOP matters anymore...Jeesh, are these lemmings going to get an eye-opener!
Oh hey, lookie here!
(http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/peter-king-gorilla.jpg)
One of Hoyt's Hero's slamming people he has no right to slam (http://weaselzippers.us/216731-rino-rep-peter-king-attacks-republicans-who-supported-defunding-executive-amnesty-with-dhs-bill-america-needs-adults/), because as you can see from his idiotic comments, he has no fracking idea what he is talking about! This master of conflation unites deception, deflection and personal destruction like a died-in-the-wool Soviet-style Zompolit!
He, all like him...the E-GOP and all their scummy little minions...are TRAITORS, period!
We'll see how they deal with things in an adult manner when the fur really starts to fly. These apes like to throw their sh*t around...soon we'll find out how well they can catch.
Cue Steetlight Serenade...
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PS-Looks like the Hoyt posting has fizzled off into the E-GOP echo-chamber congratulating itself and stoking the shared delusion that the GOP matters anymore...Jeesh, are these lemmings going to get an eye-opener!
Maybe. The anger expressed everywhere and the "i'll vote democrat" and "Let it burn" sentiments made fade as the emotion does. However I think there enough us us who are done now, and who realize if there is a political solution, it won't come via the eGOP, that the GOP will never win an election again. If they are worried about a third party conservative candidate splitting the vote - the eGOP can withdraw their nominee from consideration. After all , if this really about getting our country and freedom back, they shouldn't have any objection to sitting this one out so it can happen.
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PS-Looks like the Hoyt posting has fizzled off into the E-GOP echo-chamber congratulating itself and stoking the shared delusion that the GOP matters anymore...Jeesh, are these lemmings going to get an eye-opener!
Maybe. The anger expressed everywhere and the "i'll vote democrat" and "Let it burn" sentiments made fade as the emotion does. However I think there enough us us who are done now, and who realize if there is a political solution, it won't come via the eGOP, that the GOP will never win an election again. If they are worried about a third party conservative candidate splitting the vote - the eGOP can withdraw their nominee from consideration. After all , if this really about getting our country and freedom back, they shouldn't have any objection to sitting this one out so it can happen.
I think that sentiment as you call it is in actuality a throbbing raw nerve...and I have no doubt the eGOP will keep poking it and inflaming it with continued acts of intentional treason...so I think their days of benefiting from a sentiment of "better than the Dem's" is dead, and they will never sit down and let a non-eGOP stooge win an election...no, they'll vote for a Dem rather than stoop to supporting a real alternative to a Democrat...after all, they can work with Democrats.
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..no, they'll vote for a Dem rather than stoop to supporting a real alternative to a Democrat...after all, they can work with Democrats.
It was more a comment for the Hoyts of the world. The eGOP has betrayed enough of thier base enough times, that they will not vote eGOP for any reason. So if Hoyt wants a win, she better get her eGOP guy to sit the F' down. She can even primary the eGop and get her man in, and have him sit down. Bottom line no one with an R next to their name is ever going to win again and Hoyt better accept that if she really hopes for a "politcal" solution.
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..no, they'll vote for a Dem rather than stoop to supporting a real alternative to a Democrat...after all, they can work with Democrats.
It was more a comment for the Hoyts of the world. The eGOP has betrayed enough of thier base enough times, that they will not vote eGOP for any reason. So if Hoyt wants a win, she better get her eGOP guy to sit the F' down. She can even primary the eGop and get her man in, and have him sit down. Bottom line no one with an R next to their name is ever going to win again and Hoyt better accept that if she really hopes for a "politcal" solution.
Yeah. And the prospects of a "political" solution are disappearing faster than Michael Moore's senses!