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Topics => 2nd Amendment/Firearms => Topic started by: Libertas on November 08, 2019, 12:22:16 PM
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/democrat-controlled-virginia-working-on-confiscating-guns-from-law-abiding-citizens-governor-says (https://www.dailywire.com/news/democrat-controlled-virginia-working-on-confiscating-guns-from-law-abiding-citizens-governor-says)
Ask The Founders what happens when despots come calling for your God-given implements of Freedom and Liberty...go ahead...or wait for the same robust responses from their latter day heirs.
Death...it's what despots crave.
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H/T-WZ
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https://twitter.com/LisaMei62/status/1204589630106095616
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For what it’s worth, there’s a pretty big movement right now to push back against Northam’s gun grabbing, unconstitutional BS proposed laws. Haven’t been able to get a response from either my county sheriff or commonwealth’s attorney about their stance on it, but I am prepared to do whatever is necessary to resist. Virginia needs y’all’s prayers in the days to come, as I’m not convinced we aren’t going to be the second shot(s) heard ‘round the world
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Prayers, you got 'em. We're all gonna need 'em afore long.
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Aye.
It is stirring up old passions wise people would avoid even if they loathed the 2A!
https://www.americanpartisan.org/2019/12/is-virginia-brewing-the-next-harpers-ferry/ (https://www.americanpartisan.org/2019/12/is-virginia-brewing-the-next-harpers-ferry/)
Fortunately latter day tyrants cannot control their public affection for despotism and oppression...this Northam domestic enemy, Bloomie and the rest of the preening Demosocialisti running for Tyrant...
One would be wise to pray and prepare and most definitely to defy the encroaching despotism!
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Wow...the Socialist despots really are eager to start another civil war!
https://neonnettle.com/news/9725-virginia-democrats-threaten-second-amendment-sanctuary-counties-with-national-guard
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H/T - WRSA
First, deploying the National Guard will result in two things: 1) Not all members of that contingent are mouth-breathing idiots who follow illegal orders to wage war on their own citizens let alone to enforce unconstitutional laws on citizens rights bestowed by no man but by Our Creator and 2) it will have the effect of swelling the ranks of righteous Patriots to resist tyranny with vigorous force not unlike that of Lexington & Concord of April 19th 1775!
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Second, what these despots (see BS letter of Commie Jay above) fail to realize is it is THEY who have rendered obedience to any law moot! Under Obama and a host of demosocialist politicians in Federal, State, City, County and Municipalities (and Bureacracies too numerous!) across the nation have openly and willingly ignored laws regarding illegal immigrant invaders...ignoring the rule of law not just on immigration (invasion) but on illegal drugs, forcing unfunded mandates for socialist policies, violating the rights and due process of citizens who do not share their ideology (gays, race, sex, abortion)...nullifying decisions they do not agree with etc etc etc...so they have lost ANY standing to declare what others find worthy of defiance as wrong! Not only that, but despots like this Jay clown are of the deluded mindset that using force to disarm people will prevent not start a civil war, a total indictment of their despotic intent!
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And people in Virginia are taking note and NOT putting up with the threats!
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https://mailchi.mp/cb0d1951769b/va-alert-so-much-for-the-governors-threat-8-new-sanctuaries-on-thursday-december-12?e=099c38fd56
I support these good people, their fight is our fight...it just happened to hit their corner first. To be sure the despots have been waging this war for decades...encroaching on sacred ground inch by inch...now they are upping their malevolence and the veil hiding their hatred of you and the fear they have for your beliefs and what you are willing to do to defend them has dropped.
Stand fast!
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Let them fire the first shot.
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Dickey looks like paper-hanging socialist happy to have others do his dirty work.
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Sounds about right. Hey, what does the commander of your NG have to say?
“We have received multiple questions regarding proposed legislation for the 2020 General Assembly session and the authority of the Governor of Virginia to employ the Virginia National Guard in a law enforcement role. Please make sure you share this message with your all of your personnel.
We understand and respect the passion people feel for the U.S. Constitution and 2nd Amendment rights. We will not speculate about the possible use of the Virginia National Guard. I encourage everyone to be patient while we allow our elected officials to work through the legislative process.
We have not received any requests from the Governor, or anyone on his staff, about serving in a law enforcement role related to any proposed legislation.
I expect our Soldiers, Airmen and members of the Virginia Defense Force to be professional and respectful in their discussions about this subject. As private citizens, our personnel are free to express their opinions to their elected officials, but they should not engage in any political activity while in a uniformed status.
We will provide regular updates when appropriate during the General Assembly session. Please utilize your chain of command to direct any questions or concerns to my office, and we will do our best to address them.”
-Major General Timothy P. Williams
Hmmm...Maj Gen Timmy didn't say it was an illegal order...so one has to assume he is ready, willing and able to be the force behind VA's version of Order 66...because Maj Gen Timmy has to know a great many will not surrender their only means of preserving their liberty and resisting enslavement, box-car's and extermination.
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I asked our Sheriff and Commonwealth’s attorney what their stance on the proposed legislation was and this was the response from our CA... Sheriff Millirons left me on read
Eric,
Thank you for your message. There has been a lot of discussion and confusion about this issue.
Let me assure you and all of the citizens of Giles County that as a Constitutional Officer, I have taken an oath to uphold the Virginia Constitution, the United States Constitution, and ALL of the Amendments, including the Second Amendment.
Whenever the General Assembly passes a new law, I always have to review the specific wording of the statute to determine what that new law actually means. (Most bills go through significant changes before a final version gets a vote.) Part of my job involves explaining these new laws to the public and to our officers, and those legal opinions obviously have to be based on specific details. Until we have those details, It would be impossible for me to give a legal opinion about future laws that do not yet even exist. This means that the questions you are thinking about right now are good questions, BUT we first have to see what any new statute IS before we can analyze what it means and how it should be applied.
There is currently no legal definition of the term “Second Amendment sanctuary”. The term means different things to the different localities and political groups that choose to use it. In fact, different groups have used different wording on their resolutions and other statements. These differences strongly suggest that the groups do not all have exactly the same intent. So, your question “What does this ‘status’ mean?” can really only be answered by the locality or group which adopts the term. Further clarification about what the Giles County Board of Supervisors intended can only come from the Board.
I look forward to continuing this conversation.
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They keep asking for war, and we Virginians are gonna give it to em
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BS legalistic response and chickensh*t to boot! Some things are inalienable, idiots will learn one way or another the truth of this. And, since other sanctuary acts haven't had a legal hammer dropped on them it is an open admission on all sides that laws can be nullified. Too late to try stuffing the toothpaste back into the tube and pretend everything is OK.
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https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/it-begins-virginia-forms-active-militia-to-protect-sheriffs-citizens-from-unconstitutional-laws/ (https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/it-begins-virginia-forms-active-militia-to-protect-sheriffs-citizens-from-unconstitutional-laws/)
For real Virginians sic semper tyrannis shouldn't be a hollow motto!
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Not ringing hollow...they are really kicking butt on this movement!
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/12/18/86-virginias-95-counties-2nd-amendment-sanctuaries/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/12/18/86-virginias-95-counties-2nd-amendment-sanctuaries/)
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ETA - These people will not become more victims of socialism!
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H/T-WRSA and an anonymous poster.
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Via WRSA -
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I reserve the right to invoke rule .308!
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And rule 30-30, .556, 12G and a true diversity of many other fine codicil's! ::thumbsup::
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Now they want to remove Lee's statue from the state capitol ::falldownshocked::
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Now they want to remove Lee's statue from the state capitol ::falldownshocked::
It would be better if the capitol was removed from Lee's statue...I hear there are some diverse areas of Richmond that would be a better location for these morons to be in closer proximity with their racist constituents....
https://www.styleweekly.com/richmond/landlord-to-live-in-his-own-slum/Content?oid=1369366 (https://www.styleweekly.com/richmond/landlord-to-live-in-his-own-slum/Content?oid=1369366)
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OMG, this made me almost paint my screen!
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https://gab.com/Redleg_XO/posts/103359920479874222
H/T - WRSA
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Now they want to remove Lee's statue from the state capitol ::falldownshocked::
They have 243 years of (US) history to undo so they better get cracking!
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Well written as per usual. ::thumbsup::
https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2019/12/26/second-amendment-sanctuary-cities-for-the-win-n2558531
Now 9/10 counties...
https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2019/12/26/like-a-freight-train-9-out-of-10-virginia-counties-declare-themselves-2nd-amendment-sanctuaries-2/
...Mmmmm...I love the smell of socialisti cowering in fear!
And yes, mass-produce the enhanced VA flag!
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https://gab.com/Matt_Bracken/posts/103374129844187627
#FoundersApproved!
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Gunsmith bought us a Stars and Bars flag for Christmas (we've got to figure out a good place to hang it outside) and a new Gadsden flag because ours is kinda shredded. Yes, we've hung it instead of the Stars and Stripes and will continue until we get our country back or until I die fighting off those come to rip it down.
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AMEN!
I like that Gadsden...simple and to the point!
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AMEN!
I like that Gadsden...simple and to the point!
Me too. Mine is old and tattered now. Somewhat fitting, but I think I'll get a fresh one for the election season ;'}
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Don Jr, role model -
https://www.instagram.com/p/B67J4TTlnDn/?utm_source=ig_embed (https://www.instagram.com/p/B67J4TTlnDn/?utm_source=ig_embed)
https://www.dailywire.com/news/donald-trump-jr-shares-image-of-ar-15-with-depiction-of-hillary-clinton-behind-bars (https://www.dailywire.com/news/donald-trump-jr-shares-image-of-ar-15-with-depiction-of-hillary-clinton-behind-bars)
Isn't any day at the range good? But with that gear...even better.
Arm, train, live...the core of Liberty!
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https://nationalfile.com/it-begins-virginia-democrats-ban-guns-in-state-capitol-legislators-exempt/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=it-begins-virginia-democrats-ban-guns-in-state-capitol-legislators-exempt
Demoscat-dominated Joint Rules Committee...pulling a maneuver worthy of praise by Adolph Hitler, Vladimir Lenin, Mao...
Speaks volumes.
Domestic Enemies who hate Liberty and free people and their God-given rights.
History is sure to show these thugs chose poorly.
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“This is something that has been recommended by our Capitol Police,” said House Majority Leader Charniele Herring, a Democrat from Alexandria.
“There are times when we sort of have to trust what our law enforcement officers are telling us.” House Speaker and fellow Northern Virginia Democrat Eileen Filler-Corn backed up Herring’s statement.
“Again, this is being recommended by Colonel Pike,” said Filler-Corn, referring to the Chief of the Capitol Police.
Despite the claims of Democrat leadership, Capitol Police made very clear that they recommended no such ban, and are completely uninvolved with promoting or recommending policy changes.
“Colonel Pike neither writes nor lobbies for General Assembly rules or legislation. He enforces them,” said Capitol Police in a statement designed to “clear up any misconceptions.”
Typical Dhimm. Never responsible.
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This is NOT a victory, I repeat...NOT a victory...
https://www.westernjournal.com/virginia-gun-confiscation-bill-pulled-huge-pro-gun-crowd-shows-legislature-protest/ (https://www.westernjournal.com/virginia-gun-confiscation-bill-pulled-huge-pro-gun-crowd-shows-legislature-protest/)
...the enemies of Liberty are merely executing a tactical retreat-and-hold maneuver...do NOT let up, advance and attack!!!!
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::hat-tip:: Bonz
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/01/breaking-west-virginia-lawmakers-invite-persecuted-pro-second-amendment-counties-in-virginia-to-join-their-state/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/01/breaking-west-virginia-lawmakers-invite-persecuted-pro-second-amendment-counties-in-virginia-to-join-their-state/)
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This is NOT a victory, I repeat...NOT a victory...
https://www.westernjournal.com/virginia-gun-confiscation-bill-pulled-huge-pro-gun-crowd-shows-legislature-protest/ (https://www.westernjournal.com/virginia-gun-confiscation-bill-pulled-huge-pro-gun-crowd-shows-legislature-protest/)
...the enemies of Liberty are merely executing a tactical retreat-and-hold maneuver...do NOT let up, advance and attack!!!!
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It’s absolutely not a victory, as they are merely pushing a worse bill, SB961, through in its place.
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This is NOT a victory, I repeat...NOT a victory...
https://www.westernjournal.com/virginia-gun-confiscation-bill-pulled-huge-pro-gun-crowd-shows-legislature-protest/ (https://www.westernjournal.com/virginia-gun-confiscation-bill-pulled-huge-pro-gun-crowd-shows-legislature-protest/)
...the enemies of Liberty are merely executing a tactical retreat-and-hold maneuver...do NOT let up, advance and attack!!!!
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It’s absolutely not a victory, as they are merely pushing a worse bill, SB961, through in its place.
Found it.
https://spectator.org/virginias-giddy-gun-controllers/ (https://spectator.org/virginias-giddy-gun-controllers/)
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This is NOT a victory, I repeat...NOT a victory...
https://www.westernjournal.com/virginia-gun-confiscation-bill-pulled-huge-pro-gun-crowd-shows-legislature-protest/ (https://www.westernjournal.com/virginia-gun-confiscation-bill-pulled-huge-pro-gun-crowd-shows-legislature-protest/)
...the enemies of Liberty are merely executing a tactical retreat-and-hold maneuver...do NOT let up, advance and attack!!!!
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It’s absolutely not a victory, as they are merely pushing a worse bill, SB961, through in its place.
Found it.
https://spectator.org/virginias-giddy-gun-controllers/ (https://spectator.org/virginias-giddy-gun-controllers/)
War is coming...they are doing all in their power to initiate it. They will regret it.
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Screw Governor Stalin, screw Judge Beria...screw goose-stepping LEO's trying to enforce an unconstitutional un-American law and try to stop thousands of armed patriots tired of their sh*t!
https://freebeacon.com/issues/organizers-vow-to-appeal-after-judge-upholds-virginia-gov-gun-ban/
They want a war...let them commit the first violent act!!!
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Trump: Virginia Democrats 'working hard' to take away Second Amendment rights
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President Trump said Monday that Democrats in Virginia were “working hard” to take away Americans' Second Amendment rights, as thousands descended on the State Capitol in Richmond to attend a gun rights rally.
“The Democrat Party in the Great Commonwealth of Virginia are working hard to take away your 2nd Amendment rights,” Trump tweeted. "This is just the beginning. Don’t let it happen, VOTE REPUBLICAN in 2020!”
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/479037-trump-virginia-democrats-working-hard-to-take-away-second-amendment (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/479037-trump-virginia-democrats-working-hard-to-take-away-second-amendment)
Naturally, the GoebbelsMedia is intentionally and criminally misreporting the rally...
https://www.infowars.com/fake-news-nbc-claims-2nd-amendment-attendees-reciting-pledge-of-allegiance-actually-chanting-we-will-not-comply/ (https://www.infowars.com/fake-news-nbc-claims-2nd-amendment-attendees-reciting-pledge-of-allegiance-actually-chanting-we-will-not-comply/)
And socialisti censors are cutting off civilian coverage...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWFqJjWlKSg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWFqJjWlKSg)
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There will be plenty of vids afterward from the patriots that attended.
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GITN calls out Klanner Northam BS -
“We are all thankful that today passed without incident,” the governor wrote. “The teams successfully de-escalated what could have been a volatile situation. This resulted from weeks of planning and extensive cooperation among state, local, and federal partners in Virginia and beyond.”
They de-escalated squat! I was there. There was nothing to de-excalate.
https://gunsinthenews.com/i-called-it-virginia-blackface-governor-claims-he-and-teams-saved-the-day/ (https://gunsinthenews.com/i-called-it-virginia-blackface-governor-claims-he-and-teams-saved-the-day/)
AOC's screed is even more pathetic and needs no comment...
https://noqreport.com/2020/01/21/another-aoc-lie-there-were-almost-no-police-officers-at-virginia-rally/ (https://noqreport.com/2020/01/21/another-aoc-lie-there-were-almost-no-police-officers-at-virginia-rally/)
...proving yet again this clown is a moron with a script and a complete imbecile without one.
And via IW -
https://vod-api.infowars.com/3f052396-3a08-4984-b637-735142b83d8e (https://vod-api.infowars.com/3f052396-3a08-4984-b637-735142b83d8e)
...look at all those armed citizens gathered in peace and purpose...men of all races...and some ladies...no pAntifa masked goons, no rioting, no attacking and beating political opponents...no concern by the police and more important many professing sympathy with the gathered patriots and their cause...quite a stark contrast with leftist "protests"!
But pAntifa terrorists were there -
...doing what goose-steping pAntifa goons do (https://www.newswars.com/antifa-sjws-dox-virginia-gun-rally-patriots-using-hashtag-fashspotting/)...but as we all know, if faced with real resistance these masked punks cut and run to mommies basement.
In fact, puppets like Northam are the ilk mourns goons like this when are killed (https://www.thepostmillennial.com/portland-antifa-martyr-mourned-by-many-urged-terrorist-attacks-writings-reveal/), and why any LEO supports anybody professing the slightest sympathy with these goons is insane.
LEO's, be like these patriots! -
https://www.dailywire.com/news/watch-va-sheriff-we-will-not-enforce-unconstitutional-gun-control-laws (https://www.dailywire.com/news/watch-va-sheriff-we-will-not-enforce-unconstitutional-gun-control-laws)
The only arrest yesterday? Yup, a mask-sporting Trump-hating weaponized LGBTQWERTY stormtrooper (https://bigleaguepolitics.com/only-person-arrested-at-virginia-gun-rights-rally-was-a-mask-wearing-lgbt-activist/).
Is that all ya got? ::hysterical::
And, though it is hardly required for God-given rights...the diversity among participants is organic not manufactured -
https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/top-8-best-signs-from-the-gun-rally-in-richmond-virginia/ (https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/top-8-best-signs-from-the-gun-rally-in-richmond-virginia/)
And yes, this tyrant needs to be removed peacefully (https://www.dcclothesline.com/2020/01/21/virginia-patriots-post-petition-to-recall-gov-northam-for-infringing-on-2nd-amendment-rights/) or his actions will remedy it Founders-style.
ETA H/T-WZ -
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First your guns, now your kids. https://bigleaguepolitics.com/virginia-senate-passes-transgender-educational-mandates-for-children-and-other-pro-lgbt-measures/
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I hope VA. voters are happy!! You gave them control and they sh*t on you. ::pullhair::
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A lot of Cleveland Steamer fans in VA, eh? Poor sick stupid bastards...
Here's a thought (an example maybe their puny brains can wrap itself around)...
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...and in no way am I equating the two issues...the 2A is what gives backbone to all other God-given rights our Creator gave us and our Founders enumerated for us!
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I like it!
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Nice counter.
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WRSA had this link - https://www.captainsjournal.com/2020/01/27/progs-fully-committed-to-totalitarian-and-anti-second-amendment-politics/ (https://www.captainsjournal.com/2020/01/27/progs-fully-committed-to-totalitarian-and-anti-second-amendment-politics/) - with more links to follow on this topic, including this one with one particular quote that cannot be emphasized enough:
“A lot of those sanctuary cities and counties across the country don’t go far enough,” said Mack. “What do you do if they still come in and try to take law abiding citizens’ guns? [The sheriffs] need to actually intervene and interpose and not let it happen.” (https://www.captainsjournal.com/2020/01/26/haywood-county-second-amendment-sanctuary-resolution/)
Agreed, this is the final Rubicon...if tyrants succeed in shredding God-given individual rights then there is nothing left but open warfare if you value liberty over oppression...by marking a line that should never be crossed or even considered to be crossed the only elected law enforcement officers in our nation would be acting in accordance with Founding Principles and for the people and the true spirit and intent of the law by opposing the edicts of would-be genocidal tyrants.
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And...not so shocking...the a-hole driving the socialist gun-grab in Virginia is California prog and his demoscat redistricting map upheld with the help of to Obamian progs...
https://identitydixie.com/2019/11/06/the-un-elected-californian-who-engineered-virginias-permanent-democrat-majority/ (https://identitydixie.com/2019/11/06/the-un-elected-californian-who-engineered-virginias-permanent-democrat-majority/)
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The sappers for collectivist atrocities of the future are legion...and there must be new strategies to combat them...the least of which is certainly not outright rebellion!
And efforts like this should be seized upon! (https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/480381-west-virginia-governor-urges-unhappy-virginia-counties-to-secede-join)
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Say "no" and "never", say it loud, say it often...say it hard.
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Leave Virginia and join West Virginia as the population drops so does their power and cuts the money from them.
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Yup, only obstacle I see...and it is a big one...is Pelosi and her House of seething Sith...no way would they sign off on it.
I found this link and it is choke full of interesting statements and is a nice rundown of the whole issue of secession and our federal compact -
James Madison argued that the Union was a different type of contract. “We are not to consider the Federal Union as analogous to the social compact of individuals: for if it were so, a majority would have a right to bind the rest, and even to form a new constitution for the whole… .” The Constitution was framed by the unanimous consent of the States present in convention assembled in Philadelphia, but it had no teeth until the States, in convention, ratified it. Even at that point, Madison suggested, the States could not bind the rest into accepting the document or remaining in the Union. The Constitution does not have a coercive principle, as Ellsworth called it. An “indissoluble” Union would suggest that it does.
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During the Philadelphia Convention of 1787, Gouverneur Morris of Pennsylvania outlined “the distinction between a federal and a national supreme government; the former being a mere compact resting on the good faith of the parties, the latter having a complete and compulsive operation.” If the Constitution established a federal government, and it did, then the Constitution did not have a “compulsive operation.” In essence, the people of the states in convention could either interpose their sovereignty to arrest the acts of the general government or withdraw from the Union. Morris, a nationalist, recognized that the states still held sway when he suggested that the Constitution be voted on by state and that the states, not a consolidated people, had to ratify the document. The Constitution as ratified in 1787 and 1788 is “a mere compact resting on the good faith of the parties.” That compact can be unilaterally broken at any point by the same people of the States which ratified it.
Neither the Framers nor the ratifiers believed that the Constitution created a “consolidated nation” as Story suggested. It was argued in all state ratifying conventions that the opposite was true. The Union was made “more perfect” but never consolidated. The States still had all powers not delegated to the general government, as the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution clearly illustrates, and every State proposed a “Tenth Amendment” in their suggested bill of rights in the months after ratification. John C. Calhoun wrote that, “I maintain that sovereignty is in its nature indivisible. It is the supreme power in a state, and we might just as well speak of half a square, or half a triangle, as of half a sovereignty.” In other words, delegated powers were still retained by the people of the States at large for their exercise if they chose to rescind that delegation. Sovereignty can never be divided or surrendered in part. If the states had it in 1776 as Jefferson wrote, then they maintain that sovereignty to this day and thus can exercise that sovereignty through an act of interposition or withdraw.
As for those who suggest that a state carved from the common property of the United States does not have the same sovereignty as the original thirteen states, Jefferson made clear in his Northwest Ordinance of 1787 that new states would enter the Union on “equal footing” with the existing states, meaning that they had the same rights, privileges, and immunities as the original thirteen, including the right of interposition and withdrawal. Jefferson himself authored the Kentucky Resolutions of 1798, a clear indication that he believed as much. Kentucky was not one of the original states, but the people of Kentucky had the same right of recourse that the people of Virginia had in opposing the unconstitutional Sedition Act of 1798. If the argument against this position is correct, then the original thirteen states, themselves pared from the territory of Great Britain, would be illegal and illegitimate. That is not the case.
Secession and interposition—nullification—are healthy discussions to have in a federal republic. There mere threat can, and has, spurred the central government to reform.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/is-secession-legal/ (https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/is-secession-legal/)
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Illegitimate bills...ignore them, defy them...make them be the thug and commit the first act of violence against you...
https://wset.com/news/at-the-capitol/seven-gun-bills-pass-virginia-house-including-red-flag-law
...then you have the duty to kill every last one of these despots.
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Levin, a VA resident, hit it on the head last nite. Called the takeover in the legislature by kamikaze democrats their sole plan. They don't care if they lose re election as long as all this crap passes. Same thing will happen to us if we do not take back the house and lose the senate.
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kamikaze...
Damn...descriptive of many of that ilk!
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https://www.fairus.org/legislation/state-local-legislation/drivers-licenses-illegal-aliens-likely-pass-virginia (https://www.fairus.org/legislation/state-local-legislation/drivers-licenses-illegal-aliens-likely-pass-virginia) First guns, second kids and now drivers licenses.
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Shows you why they don't want you to have guns.
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The dmeoscats in VA blinked...for now...
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/virginia-lawmakers-reject-assault-weapon-ban (https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/virginia-lawmakers-reject-assault-weapon-ban)
...they'll be back...today, tomorrow...goons never stop gooning...
Maybe the should instead go after the real killers...
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H/T-WZ
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The dmeoscats in VA blinked...for now...
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/virginia-lawmakers-reject-assault-weapon-ban (https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/virginia-lawmakers-reject-assault-weapon-ban)
...they'll be back...today, tomorrow...goons never stop gooning...
Maybe the should instead go after the real killers...
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H/T-WZ
Yep! next year. VA Legislature meets for 60 days this year, already past the half way point. They work funny, each house conducts
their business in 30 day increments.. The House of Delegates worked for30 days passing or declining certain legislation, at the
"midpoint/crossover" each House sends the legislation they have passed to the other house. In this case the House passed the
control legislation, and at the midpoint passed it to the Senate. It survived 1 week in the Senate Committee and was trashed.
It does not get to go back to the House for modification, it's done and over with. At the end of the 60 day session, the Gov
gets all the passed legislation, he can sign or veto. Legislature will reconvene for 10 to 15 days to override Veto's,.
Next year is the short session, 30 days, and election year.
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They will try to pass it on the last day and run out of town.
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They will try to pass it on the last day and run out of town.
we have a buttload of kkklowns like that here in The Soviet of Washington. They just don't understand the concept of "consent of the people" - much less "Molon Labe".
At this point I don't GAS what they do - I don't consent and won't participate. They recently tried to outlaw private automobiles and then wondered why they were getting death threats - by their own side.
Come at me Bro...
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Nomenklatura...aka dead scum walking.
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It's not over it's never over. ::pullhair::
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Nope, never.
Look how long this pause lasted before they started up the incremental despotism!
https://iotwreport.com/universal-background-check-other-gun-bills-pass-va-senate/
Effing goons! An illegal law is not a valid law...nullifying and defying this despotism is the only response Liberty deserves.
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Nope, never.
Look how long this pause lasted before they started up the incremental despotism!
https://iotwreport.com/universal-background-check-other-gun-bills-pass-va-senate/
Effing goons! An illegal law is not a valid law...nullifying and defying this despotism is the only response Liberty deserves.
Washington state is being equally relentless at stripping away our constitutional rights. The difference is that Virginians are outraged and fighting - here the sheeple just shrug and say, "What can I do?"...
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Nope, never.
Look how long this pause lasted before they started up the incremental despotism!
https://iotwreport.com/universal-background-check-other-gun-bills-pass-va-senate/
Effing goons! An illegal law is not a valid law...nullifying and defying this despotism is the only response Liberty deserves.
Washington state is being equally relentless at stripping away our constitutional rights. The difference is that Virginians are outraged and fighting - here the sheeple just shrug and say, "What can I do?"...
Same here in Ca. The bills that were passed in Va have been law here in the Communist Stronghold of Commiefornia for at least 15 years.
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GET OUT ASAP. Can't win a vote get out.
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GET OUT ASAP. Can't win a vote get out.
I plan to, unfortunately ASAP depends on when I can retire/get a job paying what I currently earn.
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GET OUT ASAP. Can't win a vote get out.
I plan to, unfortunately ASAP depends on when I can retire/get a job paying what I currently earn.
Job market is good check around it cant hurt. How long to retirement?
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GET OUT ASAP. Can't win a vote get out.
I plan to, unfortunately ASAP depends on when I can retire/get a job paying what I currently earn.
Job market is good check around it cant hurt. How long to retirement?
Depends, I'm 58 turning 59 in July. With my current investments 7 to 10 years (I need Social Security), my ex cleaned out all of my retirement accounts (divorce in Ca = 1/2 of everything). I'm hoping by the time I need to walk away, my home will have some decent equity and I can purchase something elsewhere outright. Elsewhere = no/low State Tax, low Property Tax, low cost of living. I have been a high wage earner, so I'll max SS, I need to find somewhere that my SS income will cover food, gas, utilities and property tax. Do you Know where this nirvana exists?
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GET OUT ASAP. Can't win a vote get out.
I plan to, unfortunately ASAP depends on when I can retire/get a job paying what I currently earn.
Job market is good check around it cant hurt. How long to retirement?
Depends, I'm 58 turning 59 in July. With my current investments 7 to 10 years (I need Social Security), my ex cleaned out all of my retirement accounts (divorce in Ca = 1/2 of everything). I'm hoping by the time I need to walk away, my home will have some decent equity and I can purchase something elsewhere outright. Elsewhere = no/low State Tax, low Property Tax, low cost of living. I have been a high wage earner, so I'll max SS, I need to find somewhere that my SS income will cover food, gas, utilities and property tax. Do you Know where this nirvana exists?
All I can say is I came to N.C. but I'm sure that there are several places around. I'm happy here.
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https://nationalfile.com/virginia-democrat-admits-he-retaliated-against-sheriffs-over-their-support-for-the-second-amendment/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=virginia-democrat-admits-he-retaliated-against-sheriffs-over-their-support-for-the-second-amendment
A true piece of scat.
Just short of a bill of attainder...but with the same malice and premeditation.
Trash like this should be thrown out with righteous anger.
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The Northam-Effect (a sub-set of the greater Communist/Fascist-Effect)...sending Virginian's scrambling for hardware before none can be had...
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/06/virginia-gun-sales-surge-157-percent-in-june-2020/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/06/virginia-gun-sales-surge-157-percent-in-june-2020/)