It's About Liberty: A Conservative Forum
Topics => World/Foreign Affairs => Topic started by: Libertas on July 17, 2020, 08:32:46 AM
-
(https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-b792-20bd8d8fa069.storage.googleapis.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_desktop/public/inline-images/clashesazerarmen.jpg)
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/azerbaijan-threatens-strike-armenian-atomic-plant-amid-worst-border-fighting-years (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/azerbaijan-threatens-strike-armenian-atomic-plant-amid-worst-border-fighting-years)
Metzamur nuclear plant...lemme guess...Russian made?
Whatever. Nice neighborhood and nice neighbors...all deserving of one another...
::mooning::
-
Heh, this kills me!
“The Russian Aerospace Forces transferred at least 13 MiG-29 fighters to the territory of Armenia, as seen by satellite images of the Erebuni military airbase,” Avia.Pro reported.
“We are talking specifically about Russian combat aircraft, since officially the MiG-29 fighters are not in service with the Armenian Air Force,” they continued.
As shown in the satellite image provided by Avia.Pro, there are not only 13 MiG-29 jets, but also several helicopters, which the publication says likely belong to the Russian Air Force.
.
.
.
It should be noted that while Russia and Armenia currently have a defense pact, Moscow has refrained from getting militarily involved in the Karabakh conflict due to their relations with Azerbaijan.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/satellite-image-reveals-13-russian-mig-29-jets-armenian-base-conflict-rages (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/satellite-image-reveals-13-russian-mig-29-jets-armenian-base-conflict-rages)
::hysterical::
We don't want to directly rape a vassal, but we're OK giving another vassal the tools to do so!
::laughonfloor::
Yeah...Russia is a good friend, America always bad naughty evil...
Man, Rooskies got good spin doctors eh?
::bus::
-
You it's Russian pilots in them right? So we see the Migs and raise Raptors.
-
No, we let the Turdkeys enter the pit...
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/turkey-vows-national-troops-help-azerbaijan-if-requested (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/turkey-vows-national-troops-help-azerbaijan-if-requested)
...and root for all to perish.
-
No, we let the Turdkeys enter the pit...
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/turkey-vows-national-troops-help-azerbaijan-if-requested (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/turkey-vows-national-troops-help-azerbaijan-if-requested)
...and root for all to perish.
Kill joy! I wanted vids of Raptors trashing Mig 29s
-
No, we let the Turdkeys enter the pit...
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/turkey-vows-national-troops-help-azerbaijan-if-requested (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/turkey-vows-national-troops-help-azerbaijan-if-requested)
...and root for all to perish.
Kill joy! I wanted vids of Raptors trashing Mig 29s
"If I cared any less I'd be dead."
I think that is a quote from Ruth Langmore in Ozark. I love her. Yes. Here it is at 1:28
https://youtu.be/ZdYDaWesCNE?t=87 (https://youtu.be/ZdYDaWesCNE?t=87)
I am speaking about that war, not the topic.
I am afraid people in the US will want to get involved. The military industrial complex loves wars.
Trump won me over when he said that if we get into WWIII it won't be over Syria. The other GOPers were competing to say who would be the most aggressive in enforcing a Syria no fly zone and shooting down Russian jets.
BTW US and Russian pilots fought each other in the Korean War. The US kept it from the public.
-
No, we let the Turdkeys enter the pit...
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/turkey-vows-national-troops-help-azerbaijan-if-requested (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/turkey-vows-national-troops-help-azerbaijan-if-requested)
...and root for all to perish.
Kill joy! I wanted vids of Raptors trashing Mig 29s
"If I cared any less I'd be dead."
I think that is a quote from Ruth Langmore in Ozark. I love her. Yes. Here it is at 1:28
https://youtu.be/ZdYDaWesCNE?t=87 (https://youtu.be/ZdYDaWesCNE?t=87)
I am speaking about that war, not the topic.
I am afraid people in the US will want to get involved. The military industrial complex loves wars.
Trump won me over when he said that if we get into WWIII it won't be over Syria. The other GOPers were competing to say who would be the most aggressive in enforcing a Syria no fly zone and shooting down Russian jets.
BTW US and Russian pilots fought each other in the Korean War. The US kept it from the public.
And mostly Chinese.
And if you want to see US jets down Russian planes with regularity all you have to do is watch Israel. But we've had our cracks here and there.
Frankly nothing in this sh!thole is work one American life or piece of hardware of any kind...
-
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chicken-kiev-meets-cold-turkey-black-sea-axis-emerges (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chicken-kiev-meets-cold-turkey-black-sea-axis-emerges)
Turkey has dreams of being a regional power and is led by a megalomaniac intent on pissing off fellow NATO members...Ukraine is tired of being beaten and abused by Russia, used by Europe and fleeced by America (not all American's...ask the Biden's!) or neglected by cowards...
But I would be wary of the maniac in Ankara...think lion tamer tactics...and be prepared to kill the beast.
-
Geez. What a CF.
Ukraine was screwed by the US when we backed the coup. The US is a super power with ADD. We will cast Ukraine aside like a $2 whore when we are tired of her. The president we forced out was leaning toward trade with Russia and away from the EU.
We spent $5 billion in Ukraine but I wonder how much of that never left DC or came back. The Duran guys say that the US, IMF, and world bank gave at least $40 billion total. Ukraine is worse off than before.
BTW I don't GAF and don't want the US to get involved.
Meanwhile. I don't GAF about this either. Not a US problem. The video below is kinda long winded.
They say the same thing as above about Ukraine and Turkey.
https://youtu.be/P2fAsD722j8
Russia warns: "All necessary assistance" to Armenia if conflict expanded
5,940 views•Nov 2, 2020
The Duran
-
Geez. What a CF.
Ukraine was screwed by the US when we backed the coup. The US is a super power with ADD. We will cast Ukraine aside like a $2 whore when we are tired of her. The president we forced out was leaning toward trade with Russia and away from the EU.
We spent $5 billion in Ukraine but I wonder how much of that never left DC or came back. The Duran guys say that the US, IMF, and world bank gave at least $40 billion total. Ukraine is worse off than before.
BTW I don't GAF and don't want the US to get involved.
Meanwhile. I don't GAF about this either. Not a US problem. The video below is kinda long winded.
They say the same thing as above about Ukraine and Turkey.
https://youtu.be/P2fAsD722j8
Russia warns: "All necessary assistance" to Armenia if conflict expanded
5,940 views•Nov 2, 2020
The Duran
Yes, the United States is positively schizophrenic, what with the ideological shifts between normal and dhimmicrat administrations. What's a nation like Ukraine (just for example) supposed to think of us, our veracity, or our credibility when they are forced to deal with scumbags like Slo-Joe Bidet?
-
Geez. What a CF.
Ukraine was screwed by the US when we backed the coup. The US is a super power with ADD. We will cast Ukraine aside like a $2 whore when we are tired of her. The president we forced out was leaning toward trade with Russia and away from the EU.
We spent $5 billion in Ukraine but I wonder how much of that never left DC or came back. The Duran guys say that the US, IMF, and world bank gave at least $40 billion total. Ukraine is worse off than before.
BTW I don't GAF and don't want the US to get involved.
Meanwhile. I don't GAF about this either. Not a US problem. The video below is kinda long winded.
They say the same thing as above about Ukraine and Turkey.
https://youtu.be/P2fAsD722j8 (https://youtu.be/P2fAsD722j8)
Russia warns: "All necessary assistance" to Armenia if conflict expanded
5,940 views•Nov 2, 2020
The Duran
Yes, the United States is positively schizophrenic, what with the ideological shifts between normal and dhimmicrat administrations. What's a nation like Ukraine (just for example) supposed to think of us, our veracity, or our credibility when they are forced to deal with scumbags like Slo-Joe Bidet?
Spot on my brother! Trump wasn't the architect of this kind of BS...his predecessors were either weak or whorifically willing to march to DeepState drums...Trump is the bulldozer...he's only human and sputters here and there...but overall nobody has done more to unfrack things at home and abroad than he has. So to that extent Pat should give a little bit of a frack...but no fracks for Turkey...wouldn't mind a bit if this all blew up in Erdogan's inbred face...
Also...as America should stay out of it militarily...so should the fracking Russians...
In these conditions, there are two main hopes for the Armenian leadership:
1. A permanent ceasefire and return to the negotiations process with Azerbaijan due to the increasing international pressure on Baku (through diplomatic channels and sanction threats);
2. A military intervention by some third party in the conflict on the side of Armenia.
For the second scenario, the main candidate is Russia.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/vikings-rescue-united-states-reveals-its-peace-plan-armenian-azerbaijani-war (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/vikings-rescue-united-states-reveals-its-peace-plan-armenian-azerbaijani-war)
Everybody back the frack out. But, I bet a zillion dollars that won't happen...Russia is special...nobody does anything when Russia invades anybody...well, they do something...to spit & sputter like Biden and shat thier pants like Nadler...
-
I see Ukraine as wanting to play both sides of the street they have a complaint with Bamby sending blankets but Trunp sent tank busters. They want his complete and undivided attention well right now he's kind of busy. They don't like it they can go it alone.
-
This is hilarious...
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russian-karabakh-and-other-consequences-armenian-azerbaijani-war (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russian-karabakh-and-other-consequences-armenian-azerbaijani-war)
Diplomats ::hysterical::
Peacekeepers! ::laughonfloor::
They've adopted the language and practices of the Globohomo Imperialists! ::rolllaughing::
-
Yeah...that's how you do it, "peacekeepers"...yeah, that's the ticket!
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/turkey-seeking-deploy-own-peacekeeping-force-amid-armenia-azerbaijan-truce (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/turkey-seeking-deploy-own-peacekeeping-force-amid-armenia-azerbaijan-truce)
Aaaaaaand....fight!
:D
-
These are all probably candidates for merging, and I think this is the correct order.
https://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,17784.msg185657.html#msg185657
https://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,17947.msg187316.html#msg187316
https://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,17931.msg187150.html#msg187150
-
Fresh fighting has erupted between Armenia and Azerbaijan along the disputed border region, one year after a Russia-brokered ceasefire agreement halted the deadly forty-four-day-long war over historically contested Nagorno-Karabakh.
Each side is blaming the other for Tuesday's new fighting, which left multiple dead and wounded, according to the Armenian side. "There are fatalities and wounded among Armenian troops as a result of fighting that erupted following an attack by Azerbaijani forces," Armenia’s defense ministry said.
The statement said that casualties are still being counted and verified, but it confirmed Armenian national forces had "lost control of two military positions." It added: "The data on Armenian casualties is being clarified. At the moment, we can say definitely that four people were injured."
Heavy artillery was reportedly used in the clashes, following a year of relative calm at the border, and the presence of Russian peace-keeping forces. Azerbaijan is meanwhile disputing Armenia's version of events, saying its outposts were attacked first. "Armenia’s armed forces committed a large-scale provocation at the state border at 11:00 am (GMT 0700) on Tuesday," its Defense Ministry said.
Azerbaijani troops "stopped the enemy’s advance, surrounded and detained Armenian servicemen," the statement continued.
The brief fighting has the potential to ignited a larger flare-up as tensions remain high. Based on the statement, it appears the Azeri side may have taken Armenian troops captive during Tuesday's firefight.
Subsequent social media videos, though unconfirmed, appeared to show up to a dozen Armenian servicemen being held in captivity.
Last year's war thrust the long-simmering dispute over a sizeable border zone into the international spotlight. The end result was disastrous from Armenia's perspective, as the country had to give up a significant amount of territory in Nagorno-Karabakh and remove its forces (and some of the civilian population).
Like with last year's fighting, Yerevan is now calling on Russia's help to push back Azeri forces. The secretary of the Armenian Security Council, Armen Grigoryan, urged the following in a Tuesday statement:
"As the attack [by Azerbaijan] was against Armenia's sovereign territory, we are requesting that Russia defend Armenia's territorial integrity within the framework of the 1997 agreement. This a verbal request that will be made in writing."
Despite Russia having a military base on Armenian soil, and a defense pact with the small Caucasus nation, the Kremlin has shown a reluctance to get involved other than for peace-keeping purposes. At the same time Turkey has been an active backer of Azerbaijan, even at one point sending Turkish-backed Syrian mercenaries to bolster Azeri forces.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/fresh-armenia-azerbaijan-fighting-erupts-multiple-casualties-yerevan-urges-russian (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/fresh-armenia-azerbaijan-fighting-erupts-multiple-casualties-yerevan-urges-russian)
Russian Peacekeepers! Snort! Like all such critters, merely observers of carnage....
And begging for protection again...
Will the Turks back the Azeri's again? Erdogan looking like a Turkish version of jello-head Biden and wobbly-legged Hildabeast...
-
I recall that Azerbaijan used drones very effectively and got a lot or military attention worldwide for tactics.
I think they used Turkish drones.
-
(https://cms.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/2022-10-07_10-48-33.jpg)
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/understanding-caucasus-region (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/understanding-caucasus-region)
FWIW
The Caucasus has been inhabited by mean, petty squabbling wretches since Day One...
Literally nobody should have a dog in any of their fights...best result (like the Jihadis) they are kill each other off...
Too bad the major powers are going to win that race first...
-
Here is something nice from the Caucuses. Someone took two movies featuring the Georgian National Ballet and set them to a version of Rasputin. Pretty girls. Good dancing. Nice music. What's not to like?
https://youtu.be/FS-siemT6eQ
Boney M - Rasputin 2017 Blue Remix
davidzof
25.5K subscribers
25,476,310 views Apr 29, 2017
Another Boney M Rasputin Mashup based on the Blue Remix with the Georgian national ballet:
-
::saywhat::
Could be the same for Chicago, New York City et al...
Doesn't mean I want to go there...
::)
-
(https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/armeniamap.png)
Armenia has canceled planned military drills with Russia which were to be held under the countries' Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO), straining relations further between the uneasy regional allies.
"These exercises will not take place," Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan told a Tuesday press briefing. "Armenia does not believe it is expedient to conduct CSTO exercises in the republic this year."
It's a sign that the protracted war in Ukraine is causing Moscow to lose influence in the Southern Caucasus region, but it also follows the CSTO refusing to condemn Azerbaijan aggression related to the Nagorno-Karabakh war of 2020, and other skirmishes which followed.
Armenia had consistently called on Russia to intervene on its side, but the Kremlin resisted, instead only sending peace-keeping troops to mediate what in the end was a forced Armenian handover of key disputed land and villages it lost in the 2020 war.
Pashinyan in his latest comments specifically referenced the CSTO refusing to formally condemn Azerbaijan.
It's an embarrassing blow to Russia, given its defense ministry just this month announced multiple joint exercises under the CSTO umbrella, at least one of which was supposed to be hosted in Armenia, dubbed the "Indestructible Brotherhood-2023" exercises.
Pashinyan addressed this head-on in his Tuesday comments: "Russia’s military presence in Armenia not only fails to guarantee its security, but it raises security threats for Armenia," he said.
The Associated Press reviews of past two years of tense relations as follows:
The Azerbaijani move has left Russia in a precarious position. Armenia hosts a Russian military base, and Moscow has been the country’s top ally and sponsor. But the Kremlin also has sought to maintain warm ties with oil-rich Azerbaijan. Western sanctions over the Russian invasion of Ukraine have made Russia increasingly dependent on Azerbaijan’s main ally, Turkey.
With its attention focused on the fighting in Ukraine, Russia has taken a wait-and-see attitude on the Lachin corridor blockade, angering Armenia.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/armenia-lashes-out-russia-cancels-military-drills-its-territory (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/armenia-lashes-out-russia-cancels-military-drills-its-territory)
First time I recall it plainly stated that as a result of the war in Ukraine that Russia needs Turkey more than its indestructible brotherhood allies!
-
How's that CSTO harmony coming along? Not so good, eh? Yeah...getting disparate ethnicities to play nice with each other without a full-blown totalitarian apparatus to force it is a bit more challenging than expected, eh? Could lead to some BRICS issues too.
(https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/2023-08-08_15-18-45.jpg)
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/road-could-ignite-war-caucasus (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/road-could-ignite-war-caucasus)
What is Putin to do? Side with Turkey & Azerbaijan or Iran and Armenia? Or piss all of them off by doing nothing?
And now Israel and Azerbaijan cooperation against Iran principally has to really chaff Vlad's arse!
India hedging its bets a bit too. And Gallagher's ubiquitous use of the NeoCon label is not affecting my interest in seeing any play in motion which targets the lunatic Mahdi Death Cult in Iran and their nightmarish dreams of running amok with nuclear blackmail and terror...
Ignoring the ubiquitous anti-NeoCon ad hom dreck is sane for anyone wanting the greater Evil of Iran dealt with. Everything else is sideshow distraction crap.
-
Ahh, yes...genocide...something the Islamic Turks have enjoyed a Millenia against Armenian Christians...this latest bout courtesy of the sins of past Soviet-ruled Russia and its appetite for territory...
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/slow-genocide-120000-armenian-christians-happening-under-azerbaijan-occupation-report (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/slow-genocide-120000-armenian-christians-happening-under-azerbaijan-occupation-report)
Too bad Armenia has no military might to come to the rescue of its population...or a neighboring co-religionist from any direction interested in fending off the murderous Mohammadans...
-
Interesting...
https://www.wnd.com/2023/09/u-s-conducts-military-exercises-country-thought-russias-back-pocket/ (https://www.wnd.com/2023/09/u-s-conducts-military-exercises-country-thought-russias-back-pocket/)
...Russia's failure to prevent genocide seems to have opened a material wedge within CSTO.
Can't blame them. Russia, Turkey & Azerbaijan own that.
-
^^^
I read the link. So Russian peacekeepers failed to prevent this????
What is your impression of this? Are outside actors involved on either side?
Who is arming each side?
What kicked the first part off?
All I remember is that this was the first major use of the smaller and medium drones, by Azerbaijan.
-
found this
https://www.britannica.com/place/Xankandi (https://www.britannica.com/place/Xankandi)
-
Azerbaijan closed the pass...allowing Mohammadan ally Turks to commit genocide (again) and Russia as senior CSTO member didn't stop it...seems pretty clear cut to me...
Funny the Britannica link failed to mention the corridor is under Azer blockade...
-
^^^
The Max Blumenthal book The Management of Savagery talks about the "disposal problem." When a power is done using the crazies, what to do with them? You don't want them in your country. Turkey funneled ISIS and the like into Syria. BTW according to the civilians, most of the fighters in the so called Syrian civil war were not from Syria.
Israel provided ISIS a safe corridor to exit Syria but Turkey did not want these crazies inside Turkey so they threw them into battles elsewhere. They threw them into battle against Armenia. I read a headline quoting them from that battle. "Turkey doesn't care if we die." No kidding.
-
Here is a VERY long history of this region from Russian born Dreizin. Lots of details.
Israel, then Turkey aided the Azeris. i copied some stuff from near the end. He starts WAY back in time.
https://thedreizinreport.com/2023/09/09/solving-the-kardashians/
...
Until circa 1600, the territory now comprising the state of Azerbaijan, and northwest Iran, was likely still majority-inhabited by Indo-Iranians, primarily (not exclusively but primarily) Armenians in what’s now Azerbaijan, and Iranians in northwest Iran.
... zzzzz
This gives you an idea as to how relatively few Azeris lived in Baku. Or, perhaps, how little they mattered.
Under Soviet rule, the rural population was somewhat lifted up, made literate, and to some extent urbanized, such that by 1991, there was a large Azeri majority in the city, with an entirely Soviet-created, Azeri secular “intelligentsia”, where none whatsoever had existed before.
In short, the USSR created the state of Azerbaijan, which did NOT have its own history like Armenia or Georgia.
However, Azeris counted for very little in the USSR.
Coming from a low cultural level (prior to the Revolution), unlike Armenia and Georgia, they produced no major names for Soviet culture or industry. Certainly, there were people of local talent, but they did not make it on the national stage.
...
Azeri politics were finally stabilized by a former local KGB boss and USSR Politburo member, last name Aliev. His son is still ruling the country, 30 years later.
Sadly, the period (from 1988) leading up to Independence, was accompanied by huge pogroms against Armenians living in all Azerbaijani cities.
...
Several hundred thousand Armenians were driven out, destitute, into Armenia, or Russia. Almost no Armenians remained, the country was cleansed.
A process begun circa 1500AD, was completed.
...
Starting around 2007, Israel began courting Azerbaijan as an “Israeli airstrip and refueling station” for potential bombing of Iranian nuclear sites.
(You see, unlike the USA, Israel has no planes that can fly 3000km round-trip without refueling.)
Almost immediately, AIPAC, with its ears to the ground, sent a delegation of some of its board and top donors, to meet with Aliev’s son and his wife. They were given a command performance at the national opera hall or whatever, and a tour of the (formerly) Jewish quarter of Baku.
(I read about this in AIPAC’s public newsletter, it happened just before I worked there, I’m NOT disclosing anything.)
Quietly, Israel and Azerbaijan became allies.
...
Later, Erdogan’s “neo-imperial” Turkey stepped in, taking over all planning, doctrine, organization, etc. for the Azeri air force, which soon included, and in fact, became largely…..
….A DRONE ARM.
By 2020, when the younger Aliev launched a war to retake Karabakh, the Azeri side—with Turkish “advisors” likely running the show—had many Turkish as well as perhaps several hundred Israeli surveillance and purpose-built kamikaze drones (the world’s best) in stock.
It was the first drone war.
...
Today, Armenia’s “Quisling” government, with a security cabinet of Soros program graduates, with only minority (public) support, but without a coherent, functional opposition, is preparing to give up Karabakh, swing away from Russia, and become a joint protectorate of the U.S. and Turkey.
...
The Final Triumph of the Turks in the south Caucasus, and the final (really final, this time) solution to the Armenian Question…..
…..seems to be at hand.
-
So, genocide, they deserve it some think...
Still, changes nothing, Big Brother Slav's CSTO not worth a bucket of piss...
-
Alexander of the Duran talked about this.
The US is doing military exercises in Armenia. Azeris moved troops to border in response.
The US pissed off Russia, Iran, and likely Turkey.
Another country for the US to use and discard. Reminds me that the US used Georgia and they ended up much worse off.
-
From memory, YT doc said the Abkhaz people are of uncertain origin. They were an autonomous region for a long time. They were a separate country until 1921 when conquered by the USSR. Stalin joined them to Georgia and banned their language. Apparently lots of Georgians moved into Abkhazia.
Patrick Lancaster visited Abkhazia 4 years ago and interviewed people on camera. Apparently it was a popular resort area in USSR. On Black Sea. One local said she remembered being bombed by the Georgians around 1992. Lots destroyed.
According to Scott Ritter, Georgia started that civil war after USSR fell and the Abkhaz finished it. Atrocities on both sides. Abkhazia expelled Georgians.
It wouldn't be accurate to say the Abkhas invaded Georgia.There was a forced marriage by Stalin, now dissolved.
There were Russians in the Russian empire including in the Donbass area and Crimea. Ukrainians around Kiev, Poles around Lvov. Lenin drew lines on a map to include the Donbass and Kiev and named it Ukraine. The Russians were there; after 2014 Kiev got on some ethnic superiority kick and wanted to ban Russian and drive Russians off land they have been on for hundreds of years. Its not like the Russians in Donbass invaded 'Ukraine' in 1921 and were not assimilated. There was a forced marriage. Ukrainians migrated into Donbass for economic opportunity in USSR.
Dagestan has 13 official ethnic groups and 14 official languages. Who is the invader?
The US loves to exploit such situations. see Libya, Syria, Serbia, ...
-
From memory, YT doc said the Abkhaz people are of uncertain origin. They were an autonomous region for a long time. They were a separate country until 1921 when conquered by the USSR. Stalin joined them to Georgia and banned their language. Apparently lots of Georgians moved into Abkhazia.
Patrick Lancaster visited Abkhazia 4 years ago and interviewed people on camera. Apparently it was a popular resort area in USSR. On Black Sea. One local said she remembered being bombed by the Georgians around 1992. Lots destroyed.
According to Scott Ritter, Georgia started that civil war after USSR fell and the Abkhaz finished it. Atrocities on both sides. Abkhazia expelled Georgians.
It wouldn't be accurate to say the Abkhas invaded Georgia.There was a forced marriage by Stalin, now dissolved.
There were Russians in the Russian empire including in the Donbass area and Crimea. Ukrainians around Kiev, Poles around Lvov. Lenin drew lines on a map to include the Donbass and Kiev and named it Ukraine. The Russians were there; after 2014 Kiev got on some ethnic superiority kick and wanted to ban Russian and drive Russians off land they have been on for hundreds of years. Its not like the Russians in Donbass invaded 'Ukraine' in 1921 and were not assimilated. There was a forced marriage. Ukrainians migrated into Donbass for economic opportunity in USSR.
Dagestan has 13 official ethnic groups and 14 official languages. Who is the invader?
The US loves to exploit such situations. see Libya, Syria, Serbia, ...
::hysterical::
Some may call that rape, or akin to Muslim child brides...and rape!
I will not endorse that with any legitimacy...ever.
-
Brian Berletic likes to publish public info on western trained leaders and officers of US NGOs. Usually a big paper trail of their training and backgrounds. E.g. the WEF young leaders program. so when Dreizin calls them "soros graduates" below he likely has reasons.
The Duran often ponders what globalist sinecure awaits the country's leader after they sell out the citizens. US Marines trained Georgian troops who then attacked the south Ossetia region (in the Georgia north) then the Russians counter attacked and Georgia was worse off than before. Georgians were not happy and leader ended up at a DC think tank.
Current Moldovan PM? He graduated with a Master's degree in business administration from Newport International University's Belgium branch in 2000.[6]
Current Moldovan president? Harvard, World Bank.
After current Armenian PM/president gives away Nagorno-Karabakh, he needs a golden parachute to escape pissed off citizens.
Here is the Dreizin summary.
https://thedreizinreport.com/2023/09/07/as-armenian-govt-of-soros-graduates-prepares-to-host-u-s-war-game-withdraw-from-post-soviet-collective-defense-treaty-abandon-nagorno-karabakh-to-azerbaijan-definitively-flip-away-from-russi/
As Armenian govt of “Soros graduates” prepares to host U.S. war game, withdraw from post-Soviet collective defense treaty, abandon Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijan, & definitively flip away from Russia towards USA and Turkey (LOL, can’t make it up!!!!!), top pro-Russian blogger Mika Badalyan & seven friends / associates arrested by masked G-Men, all on charges of “illicit arms trafficking” (they publicly fundraised / bought / sent Chinese unarmed $300 quadrocopters to Russia, as show of support.) Not 1st time he has been detained & tried, but, this time they have to put him down for good, “clear the field.” Folks, “the Democracy” is coming to USA, soon enough. It’s all coming here, as I wrote even in 2021. They will eventually HAVE to take a mad shot at “clearing the field.” (You’ve seen nothing yet.)
-
Current Armenian PM seems to be a scoundrel, not western educated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikol_Pashinyan#Early_life_and_education
BUT
Pashinyan's new government included multiple liberal western NGO activists being appointed to senior positions,[11] as well as supporters from the Velvet Revolution who had no previous political experience.[12][13]
-
It's appalling...not one graduate of Lomonosov Moscow State University, I demand an investigation!
Wait, no...what a ridiculous ask...
What is annoying, appalling etc is why there are no "good guy" popping "bad guys" in the strictest sense of terms in any nation/region/arena/whateverthehellyouwanttocallit...
Almost like the inmates everywhere all agreed to say eff it we're doomed anyway...
What it looks like anyway...
-
What a mess.
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/FMfcgzGtxKPHSsCPZgZnGvnDxHWZjHph
Open-source flight tracker websites have shown at least 7 military cargo flights (IL-76 aircraft) from Israel to Azerbaijan since end of August. They are stocking up like mad on Israeli drones. Likely reason for invasion delay is… Iran.
Azeri side has pushed for Iranian non-intervention, even hosting a high-level Iranian army delegation to “inspect” something or other. Iranian red line (restated at recent meeting of Iran & Turk foreign ministers) is Azeri movement into (south) Armenia “proper” (not unrecognized Karabakh) so as to establish corridor to Nakhichevan & Turkey, w/ effect of providing Turkey a direct route to border w/ Iranian E. & W. Azerbaijan provinces, while cutting Iran’s land access to entire Caucasus incl. Armenia, Georgia, & Russia.
Problem for Azeris, there’s little sense in re-launching war to retake Karabakh w/o ALSO moving for Armenian total knockout & link-up w/ Turkey (which might be legitimized post-facto by Armenian surrender treaty to “allow” [recognize] Azeri/Turkish access & security control while maintaining Armenian “sovereignty” over the land) while GLOBOHOMO’s attention still glued to Russia-Ukraine. (Note how USA has **IGNORED** Azeri hereditary monarchy’s plans to attack kinda-sorta “democratic”, West-pivoting Armenia… presumably due to extreme need for Turkish weapons/munitions for the Ukraine.)
-
The strange bedfellows are interesting but superfluous to the Russian failure to maintain control as lead CSTO, uhh partner...
-
^^^
I am confused. What was Russia supposed to do? I do not disagree I do not know anything.
Duran says that Armenia wants to dump this region in order to apply to NATO and EU while blaming RU for not doing enough. They say RU was Armenia's ally and EU will not be. Also RU helped Armenia survive from 18th century until now.
They say that RU - Armenia got along well until current president who might change their alignment. RU warned Armenia not to push things on that region. Lots of RU business ties to Armenia?
Azeris and Turkey and Iran do not want Armenia to join NATO. Iran gets along well with Armenia but warned them about joining NATO. RU is angry about Armenia military exercises with US. So Armenia may isolate itself. Duran says Georgia is now trying to patch things up with RU.
They say that the US has wanted to meddle in south caucuses for a long time and mess with RU. Armenia may regret this.
https://youtu.be/qKxc8-6MCVg
Leading Armenia down the primrose path
-
Must be nice to blame others all the time as an excuse for doing nothing or doing something...I gotta do this more often...
As it stands...none of this is my fault anyway so I guess I don't GAFF what really happens...
They all got it coming... ::smallestviolin::
-
More from Duran. Trying to figure out this mess. The Armenian leader is acting strange in their opinion. Similar to the Georgia leader who harmed Georgia.
Armenia will be isolated in the region after pissing off almost everybody.
Armenia leader recognized Nagorno-Karabakh as sovereign Azeri territory.
https://youtu.be/HGb3NvrnNS0
Armenia pushed towards disaster scenario
...
I am watching citizens block traffic in Yerevan demanding Pashinyan step down and masses are trying to go into the government building. 🙏🏼🙏🏼 now that this get resolved! Armenia has suffered so much for long enough!
video clip of protest
https://t.me/inessas1992/4704
update
https://t.me/ukraine_watch/8826
-
I doubt the US will rebuild anything. I do not recall the US rebuilding Iraq, Syria, Libya, Vietnam ....
Maybe I am wrong.
I notice things now I did not before.
1. When there is a 'pro Democracy' protest somewhere I wonder who paid for it. Often US NED or other NGOs. E.g. lots of money went into some in Georgia as I recall. Georgia proposed a law requiring NGOs to disclose foreign funding if over 20%. US and EU politicians went public with outrage. So we know who paid for the protests.
Victoria Nuland said that US pumped $5B into Ukr before the coup.
US pumped money into Thailand to influence the recent election.
2. Why do MSM and US mouthpieces for the US govt run stories that change the narrative? E.g. NYT just ran a factual piece on the missile strike in Ukr and blamed Kiev govt. That is new. https://archive.ph/O0nTu
Why is Russel Brand being cancelled and why now? He was in a consensual relationship with 4 women and acted like an A-hole. He is a predatory A-hole but many other are as well. Did he blaspheme big pharma?
3. When foreign leaders sell out their citizens, do they have their exit package all worked out? Were they paid in advance? See most of EU. Maybe Armenia?
Lots of kinetic action in Nagorno-Karabakh. Duran said that Putin is pissed that the Armenian leader gave away the store. Putin basically said that he made it impossible for RU to do anything now that he admitted that N-K was sovereign Azeri territory.
-
The Duran was on Danny Haiphong.
Alex has recently visited Armenia. Said there are very strong ties to Russia. Everyone speaks Russian and many excellent English. Many in Putin cabinet are Armenian. Lavrov in part.
Trying to turn Armenia western might be difficult. They think the leader is dangerous and hard to figure out.
-
https://thedreizinreport.com/2023/09/19/azerbaijan-resumes-war-to-capture-karabakh-providing-2000-russian-peacekeepers-minimal-formal-notice-it-was-no-secret-anyway-up-to-100000-refugees-pending-due-to-threat-from-iran-buildup-of-se/?preview_id=32208
(Sorry for earlier dead link.) Azerbaijan resumes war to capture Karabakh, providing 2000 Russian peacekeepers minimal formal notice (it was no secret anyway.) Up to 100,000 refugees pending. Due to threat from Iran (buildup of several top brigades on Azeri/Arm/Turk border region, & missile forces on war alert), there will be no invasion of south Armenia at this time. Armenian govt has publicly written off Karabakh (not officially part of Armenia); invasion was likely coordinated through Western (most likely UK) intel mediators, with Russian awareness (Shoigu is in Iran *TODAY*.) Next step is rapid acceleration of process for Armenia to join NATO.
-
Another good link to Dreizin.
https://thedreizinreport.com/2023/09/19/karabakh-azerbaijan-war-won-by-israel/
-
From the above Dreizin link
Not to mention, Armenia is so poor, and there are almost as many Armenians in RUSSIA… as in Armenia.
What that means, the country, if taken into NATO as a U.S. project…..
…..WILL eventually flip back, like Georgia, to neutral or even Russian-aligned…..
…..and then, Russia could literally have… like… an “agent” inside NATO?
LOL, does the USA (or the EU) really WANT this country?
Well, not badly…..
But, it has to go through the well-rehearsed motions of “bringing a new member into the fold.”
Nonetheless, Armenia’s present, “Soros graduate” regime, has been banking on BIG benefits from flipping westwards.
Putin has been WISE to completely sit this one out.
-
https://thedreizinreport.com/2023/09/20/through-russian-mediation-karabakh-capitulates-negotiations-for-reintegration-into-azerbaijan-to-begin-tomorrow-there-will-obviously-be-no-instant-mass-cleansing-but-no-ones-gonna-stick-ar/
Through Russian mediation, Karabakh capitulates; negotiations for “reintegration” into Azerbaijan to begin tomorrow. There will obviously be no instant mass cleansing, but, no one’s gonna stick around for the long term, to live under Azeri laws, military administration, & “property return” to Azeri refugees or their descendants.
Karabakh exiles with relatives in Russia, likely to be offered Russian visas, as Armenia can’t afford resettlement of ~100,000. Armenian govt remains in power as opposition is fragmented, & “Soros graduate” govt has majority support in capital city. Official line is to blame Russia for “not protecting” (yes, some people buy it, because some people buy anything the state media says), but truth is, cutting Karabakh loose was necessary for attempt at NATO & EU accession.
It will be INTERESTING to see how “eager” NATO & EU are *now* to integrate this sh*t sandwich of a candidate. As I said, Turkey will want “rights” to/in/through Armenian land corridor to Azerbaijan. Armenian govt will NOT be able to blame Russia for that one, LOL. The fun has only just started.
-
Lots of posts on this ukraine_watch source
https://t.me/ukraine_watch/8870
??🇦🇲The first tents have already been erected in Yerevan's Republic Square.
The demonstrators will not disperse and are ready to rally against the traitor Pashinyan until the end.
-
One version
https://t.me/ukraine_watch/8923
🇦🇲A brief overview of the situation in Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh.
Before the collapse of the Soviet Union, Nagorno-Karabakh was an Armenian autonomy within the Azerbaijani SSR. After the collapse of the USSR, the Azerbaijani authorities began to pursue a unifying and nationalist policy. There was no place for Armenians in the new Azerbaijan. The Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh declared their independence. But no one recognised it.
In 2018, Nikol Pashinyan, a former journalist linked to the Soros Foundation, came to power in Armenia. His rhetoric was pro-Western and Russophobic. Despite the fact that Russia was Armenia's only ally, he became increasingly openly anti-Moscow.
In 2020, the Second Karabakh War broke out, leading to Azerbaijan's seizure of large parts of Nagorno-Karabakh. Armenians were forced to flee or were killed. Pashinyan did nothing to help his people. As a result of the Second Karabakh War, Russian peacekeepers were deployed in the region.
For the past year, Azerbaijan has pursued a policy of blockade of Nagorno-Karabakh. The Armenians have been isolated, suffering from hunger and lack of medicines. The Pashinyan regime did nothing to help the Armenians of Karabakh, but blamed Russia for all the problems of Karabakh. Although Russia was the only country that tried to help the Armenians of Karabakh.
Pashinyan is literally the Armenian Zelensky. In the interests of the West he betrayed his people and condemned them to death.
-
https://thedreizinreport.com/2023/09/21/i-wasnt-able-to-publish-this-yesterday-i-wrote-this-before-the-photos-videos-got-out-of-refugee-crowds-instant-mass-cleansing-back-on-table-as-azerbaijan-plays-hardball-hands-karabakh-a-li/
(I wasn’t able to publish this yesterday, I wrote this before the photos/videos got out of refugee crowds.) “Instant mass cleansing” back on table as Azerbaijan plays hardball, hands Karabakh a list of Karabakh current & former civil government officials & military commanders who must be “turned over” (b/c they are terrorists blah blah) prior to Azerbaijan allowing “humanitarian corridor” into Armenia.
Given that Karabakh population dipped (after 2020 war, this is latest figure I’ve ascertained) to 120,000, this means likely a substantial proportion of families (& certainly all “leading” families) have 1 or more on the list. *ALSO*, it’s a very clear “signal” of more HARDBALL to come… that is, of INTENT to “cleanse”, w/ no amnesty. Russia will probably finagle a corridor out, but… we’re looking at 120,000 homeless refugees (only a very small number would have homes in Armenia proper, the best-off likely got out after 2020.) “Woe to the vanquished.”
-
I have no idea if this is true. The Armenian president is not allowing refugees into Armenia? Because they hate him?
https://arka.am/en/news/politics/armenia_did_not_refuse_to_accept_artsakh_residents_pashinyan_says_there_are_places_to_accommodate_40/
Armenia did not refuse to accept Artsakh residents: Pashinyan says there are places to accommodate 40,000 families.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday/2298
??📣ARTSAKH HAS FALLEN!??📣 :(
Azerbaijan is Ethnically cleansing this territory of Armenians again.
??????It is report that has a result of another tri deal At 13:00 Yerevan time, hostilities in Artsakh will cease.
This is not the end. Now Azerbaijan will force these Armenians from their homes. These people's story needs to be told.
WHAT CAN I DO BUT GO THERE MYSELF?
Artsakh TG channel has made its last post
"Last post
My dear ones, avenge everyone and don’t forget about me...
HONOR! DUTY! MOTHERLAND!"
"1. Through the mediation of the command of the Russian peacekeeping contingent stationed in Nagorno-Karabakh, an agreement was reached on a complete cessation of hostilities from 13:00 on September 20, 2023.
2. An agreement was reached on the withdrawal of the remaining units and military personnel of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Armenia from the deployment zone of the Russian peacekeeping contingent and the disbandment and complete disarmament of the armed formations of the “Nagorno-Karabakh Defense Army” and the withdrawal of heavy equipment and weapons from the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh with the aim of their speedy disposal.
3. Issues raised by the Azerbaijani side on reintegration, ensuring the rights and security of the Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh, as well as issues of ensuring the livelihoods of the population of Nagorno-Karabakh within the framework of the Constitution of Azerbaijan, according to the agreement reached, will be discussed at a meeting between representatives of the local Armenian population and representatives of the central authorities of the Republic of Azerbaijan , which will take place in the city of Yevlakh on September 21, 2023 and during subsequent meetings."
Said Artsakh Information Headquarters
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday/2299
This is very f**ked up. Like a death sentence to many https://t.me/mikayelbad says ???? Pashinyan will not allow Artsakh residents into Armenia.
According to my information, one of the conditions for the surrender of Artsakh by Armenia was not providing the residents of Artsakh with a corridor to Armenia. Artsakh residents will either have to accept Azerbaijani citizenship and live under their jurisdiction, or will be able to leave through Baku, where everyone will be investigated and only if Baku decides that this or that person is not guilty of anything, he will be able to leave . It goes without saying that 95% of the male population will not be able to leave through Baku.
Moreover, it becomes clear that these agreements were reached a long time ago, since a prison for 10,000 people has already been built in Aghdam for these purposes. It is absolutely clear that it was built specifically for these agreements.
It was naive to believe that Pashinyan would let the Artsakh people into Yerevan, because he fears them like fire, and after the final loss of his home, no red berets and stun grenades will stop them from retaliation.
At the moment, the Artsakh authorities and Russian representatives are negotiating with Azerbaijan and trying to prevent such a development of events.
It is important to understand that everyone who does not come to Republic Square today will be an accomplice not only to the surrender of Aruakh, but also to the genocide of the Armenians of Artsakh."
...
-
PL on the ground in Armenia.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday/2319
-
PL in Armenia. protesters want the PM/pres gone.
'Easy to be the best English language reporter in some areas when you are the only one. Not sure if that is true here.
https://youtu.be/XR1TBwSOkm0
Journalist Patrick Lancaster joins Redacted to bring a firsthand report from Armenia where violence and protests have unfolded over the past 24 hours. Calls for revolution, and the overthrow of the government are persistent. Right now 80,000 Armenians are trapped with no way out as Azerbaijan has block them from leaving.
-
https://t.me/IntelRepublic/28211
🇦🇿🇷🇺🇷🇺 Tanks, armored vehicles and plenty of small arms shown in vid above as Azeri army shows off weapons handed over (https://t.me/IntelRepublic/28159)by Nagorno-Karabakh fighters following ceasefire proposed by Russian peacekeepers (https://t.me/IntelRepublic/28007).
UPDATE: Azerbaijani soldiers working "in close cooperation" with Russian peacekeepers to disarm Nagorno-Karabakh fighters - Azeri army spokesman.
https://t.me/EurasianChoice/29986
🇷🇺🇦🇲🙏NOTHING BUT GRATITUDE for Russian peacekeepers as ordinary people from Nagorno-Karabakh (https://t.me/IntelRepublic/28243) thank soldiers before setting off for Armenia.
Russian peacekeepers have delivered 125 tons of food for Nagorno-Karabakh civilians while over a thousand rifles, anti-tank and anti-air weapons have been handed over by Nagorno-Karabakh fighters (https://t.me/IntelRepublic/28211) as part of ceasefire proposed by Russian peacekeepers.
-
BigBrother Slav can own all of that...easier for me to not give a tinkers damn...
-
So far it looks like there may be a peaceful ending. It sucks to be Armenian inside of the Azeris but they will be on the right side of the sod.
-
https://thedreizinreport.com/2023/09/25/further-blows-to-armenia-on-deck-state-dept-spokesman-admits-globohomo-looking-for-a-deal-on-zangezur-siunik-corridor-armenia-with-its-projection-of-we-will-not-fight-in-deep-troub/
***Further blows to Armenia on deck; State Dept spokesman admits GLOBOHOMO looking for a deal on Zangezur/Siunik corridor.*** Armenia (with its projection of “we will not fight”) in deep trouble as Azerbaijan leader, having taken Karabakh, skips no beat, talks publicly about unfairness of Soviet borders leaving Azerbaijan’s Nakhichevan exclave (which Turkey’s Erdogan just visited!) separated from the country by a small piece of Armenia.
Amid campaign of anti-Russian propaganda in its state media, Armenian “Soros program graduate” government had assumed GLOBOHOMO will protect Armenia from “NATO ally” Turkey and its junior partner and military assistance project, Azerbaijan. Yes, GLOBOHOMO intended to make of Armenia “another Georgia”, as U.S. ambassador to Armenia (appointed in February) was previously #2 at the Kiev embassy. HOWEVER, intents have been overtaken by events.
As many thousands of Armenians leave Karabakh every day, U.S. has said nothing beyond two short, very vague press releases. ****MOREOVER, State Dept spokesman yesterday explicitly admitted that GLOBOHOMO is talking to Turkey about the land corridor, & looking to make Turkey happy.**** As I’ve written, this could involve Turk-Azeri control or “rights” to the land, while Armenia maintains “sovereignty.” Reminder, GLOBOHOMO has a CRITICAL need for Turkish munitions (& weapons) for the Ukraine. Turkey is **only** NATO country not yet disarmed by the war. Turk-Azeris must press their advantage BEFORE the war concludes.
(https://ychef.files.bbci.co.uk/1600x900/p08kf7w6.webp)
-
Armenia violated the first obvious rule of Fight Club - arm to the teeth...might-makes-right dipsticks!...if they steamrolled that pocket there wouldn't be anything left to piss and moan about as a result of the Soviet blunder...
But, whatever...not my problem...
(https://theconservativetreehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/comrade-compliance-nope-meter-2.jpg)
-
Samantha Power is in Armenia. I need more popcorn.
https://youtu.be/oWm1vtBKzdQ?t=1518
Azeris want $100 billion in compensation for the period of the "occupation" of N-K. If not paid then they demand a corridor.
-
https://twitter.com/GeopoliticsW/status/1705044639051645080
Maybe she can visit where the Armenian's are being snuffed and suffer the same fate...
Probably the most useful thing that idiot could do...
-
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1707028001836212514
BREAKING: Color Revolution Princess Samantha Power gets SLAMMED in Armenia
"Sanction Azerbaijan or go back to your country! You don't care - stop lying!"
Armenians know exactly who she is
-
Finally someone crazier than Erdogan. Wants to invoice Russia for the base in his country.
Linked to the part
https://youtu.be/HEePooCAuAs?t=1638
-
Just more video clips of refugees.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday/2386
-
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/alleged-iranian-arms-deal-armenia-sparks-controversy-caucasus (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/alleged-iranian-arms-deal-armenia-sparks-controversy-caucasus)
Iran double-dealing in the Caucuses? Wouldn't surprise me.
Anyway, so many hotspots in Asia and Europe...seems almost a foregone conclusion to think one anywhere could cause others to pop...pop like a fat mans buttons after the next big dinner...
-
I never spent the time to figure that one out. In the Max Blumenthal book he wrote of the "disposal problem" when the west is done using the "savages." They were allowed to exit Syria using Israel. Then Turkey sent them to the OP conflict.
-
This region and all the players has all the ingredients of a certain disaster...
(https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/inline-images/Zangezur-1024x896.jpg)
Much of the intrigue in the Caucasus centers around the so-called Zangezur Corridor, a 42-kilometer strip of land in southern Armenia wedged between Azerbaijan and its exclave, Nakhchivan, and bordered by Iran to the south.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/will-conflicts-middle-east-spill-over-caucasus (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/will-conflicts-middle-east-spill-over-caucasus)
Neo-con bloviating aside...anybody thinking they hold the key to peace in this powder keg IMO is full of sh!t!
-
Is there a corridor connecting Armenia to Iran in between two parts of Azer?
Or is is a rail/road line connecting the two parts of Azer through Armenia along the south border?
-
Ask Russia...they are/were in charge of transit security...