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Title: China
Post by: patentlymn on November 27, 2022, 02:22:37 PM

I found a few recent videos from China. More protests than usual over there. Mostly lock down related.

Mostly videos of China in lockdown and riots.
https://youtu.be/RcOTkaC0UxQ
 Tens of thousands of people storm the blockade, workers free to escape Guangzhou/Foxconn Updates
China Insights
287K subscribers
494K views  8 days ago

I find China so confusing. Sometimes I think the Chinese people are sheep.
Then I think they have giant balls.
They recently rioted over covid shut downs.
Now they saw all the maskless people at the world cup.

https://youtu.be/zFA_c9PjBEI
 Chinese people are angry now! The World Cup showed them masks aren't needed in the world.
China Insights
287K subscribers
323K views  1 day ago

https://youtu.be/vPRDLqggwQU
 EMERGENCY - China Has Erupted - REVOLUTION!!!
The China Show
187K subscribers
464K views  Streamed 18 hours ago
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on November 27, 2022, 09:13:02 PM
They invented pleasant sounding campaigns to crush any germ of individualism or silly notions of freedom...

And people think Arab Springs and color revolutions are something new and Western in origin...

LOL

Mao and his successors rewrote the book...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on November 28, 2022, 11:22:52 AM
They invented pleasant sounding campaigns to crush any germ of individualism or silly notions of freedom...

And people think Arab Springs and color revolutions are something new and Western in origin...

LOL

Mao and his successors rewrote the book...
I saw a headline saying that the protesters were signing the Internationale, the old commie anthem.
I saw some had the Chinese commie flag.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on November 28, 2022, 12:24:01 PM
They invented pleasant sounding campaigns to crush any germ of individualism or silly notions of freedom...

And people think Arab Springs and color revolutions are something new and Western in origin...

LOL

Mao and his successors rewrote the book...
I saw a headline saying that the protesters were signing the Internationale, the old commie anthem.
I saw some had the Chinese commie flag.

Well, not like they would know anything else, eh? 

See this?

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/shanghai-police-pummel-kick-bbc-reporter-edward-lawrence-covid-protest-china-detain-hours-video/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/shanghai-police-pummel-kick-bbc-reporter-edward-lawrence-covid-protest-china-detain-hours-video/)

Wonder if DemoCommies like the way the press is treated in China?

(crickets)

Uyghurs, plandemic dissidents...resisters of enlightened CCP rule...losing a few million here or there is of no consequence...

See what they are doing as a distraction?

The regime is apparently using Chinese bots to flood Twitter with porn and escort ads to stop the spread of news about the protest and make it more difficult for users to access information.

The New York Post reports:

Chinese bots are swamping Twitter with sexually explicit posts about porn and escorts in an apparent bid to stop the spread of news about the massive protests against lockdowns and President Xi Jinping.

Searches for major Chinese cities that have seen mass protests will “mostly see ads for escorts/porn/gambling, drowning out legitimate search results,” said Air-Moving Device, sharing a series of charts.

“Data analysis in this thread suggests that there has been a significant uptick in these spam tweets,” the outlet said, sharing data retweeted by Stanford Internet Observatorydirector Alex Stamos.

The “vast majority” — more than 95% — appear to be spam accounts that “tweet at a high, steady rate throughout the day, suggesting automation,” the analysis said.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/chinese-bots-flooding-twitter-porn-escorts-bury-news-massive-protests-covid-lockdowns/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/chinese-bots-flooding-twitter-porn-escorts-bury-news-massive-protests-covid-lockdowns/)

See what happens when you make social media subservient to government?!

And hey, if they're pimping "escorts"...shouldn't a communist citizen get them free of charge?   ::hysterical::

Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on November 29, 2022, 09:16:47 AM
ETA - H/T-CTH -

https://youtu.be/5itx3v8So7E (https://youtu.be/5itx3v8So7E)

 ::hysterical::

'The foreign forces you are talking about – are they Marx and Engels?'

https://twitter.com/CindyXiaodanYu/status/1597247427781984257 (https://twitter.com/CindyXiaodanYu/status/1597247427781984257)

Wow!  CCP ain't gonna like that kind of talk!!!

https://babylonbee.com/news/china-taps-governor-gretchen-whitmer-to-lead-lockdown-enforcement/ (https://babylonbee.com/news/china-taps-governor-gretchen-whitmer-to-lead-lockdown-enforcement/)

Did the yankee imperialist capitalist fascist Americans intervene in China?  No, we can only joke about it!

Running-dog CCP owns this mess 100%.

China - the Technate model.

This is good, long, and if you're like me your blood will boil...but it is a necessary read...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-worlds-first-technate-part-1 (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-worlds-first-technate-part-1)

Will post additional parts as they come.  Technology and totalitarianism is an inhumane mix!

ETA - A refresher of the past...

https://youtu.be/R_OM9a1mpnk (https://youtu.be/R_OM9a1mpnk)

H/T-CTH
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on November 30, 2022, 09:33:59 AM
Last month Xi had Hu Jintao booted from the CCP love-fest...now, 'ol Jiang Zemin bit the dust...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/former-chinese-president-jiang-zemin-who-ruled-after-tiananmen-massacre-dies-96 (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/former-chinese-president-jiang-zemin-who-ruled-after-tiananmen-massacre-dies-96)

...and they have to be dismissive of 'ol Hu in the announcement...

...bet he gets to bite the dust next...

Meanwhile, Bloody Xi rolls armor into Zuzhou...Shanghi et al still being repressed...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20585179/tanks-streets-china-xi-crushing-lockdown-protests/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20585179/tanks-streets-china-xi-crushing-lockdown-protests/)

Sucks when your slaves get upitty, eh? 
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on December 01, 2022, 11:59:30 AM

The long ruling party in Taiwan just lost an election. They were said to be pro US and pro independence.
Some analysts said that the Ukraine war tipped the balance away from that party. Some do not want to be used by the US to harm China as the US is using Ukraine to harm Russia.

https://www.grid.news/story/global/2022/11/29/the-other-midterms-what-taiwans-elections-tell-us-about-the-islands-future-as-china-looms-large/ (https://www.grid.news/story/global/2022/11/29/the-other-midterms-what-taiwans-elections-tell-us-about-the-islands-future-as-china-looms-large/)

Lev Nachman: The significance is that for the last few years, I think that there’s been such popularity internationally around Tsai Ing-wen, the current president of the DPP, that I think from an international perspective, it seemed like they’re the only game in town and that the KMT is failing and struggling to have any sort of electoral victory, especially after their really crushing defeat in 2020. And what these local elections remind us is that the KMT, domestically, still has a strong voter base. Now, that doesn’t mean that everyone in Taiwan is secretly pro-China or is more open to unification. It does not mean that at all. There’s so much polling data that shows that when it comes to the issue of cross-strait relations, which is the most important issue in Taiwan, that the DPP’s policies are still more popular than the KMT’s policies.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/12/01/bqmc-d01.html (https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/12/01/bqmc-d01.html)



Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on December 01, 2022, 12:50:56 PM
Hilarious.

Pretty sure it is the CCP that owns America...witness too, earlier "backlog" of military items for Taiwan..."backlog" = "nothing for you"...how can America use somebody it refuses to arm?

(https://grrrgraphics.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/china_and-Biden_traitors-1024x790.jpg)

Crush those peasants into mush!  Really, clowns above will still love you!
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on December 16, 2022, 08:55:55 AM
Technate Part II -

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-worlds-first-technate-part-2 (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-worlds-first-technate-part-2)

It is undeniable that socialism is the ideal fertilizer for which to brew such a dystopian Hell on Earth.

And, the usual suspects strewn throughout and the utilization of G3P's, think-tanks, et al to form the web of tyranny...corrupting institutions...corrupting politics...corrupting the flow of information and education...corrupting everything...

I find it stunning that so many other people are so fricken poisoned in the head by all these assholes and their minions that when the crap about "democracy" comes out of the demonic mouths of people devoted to destroying said (fallacious meaning of the word) "democracy" people's brains don't re-boot at all...they just drool and nod as if it was true.

But, The Good Book and Our Lord warned us...evil would be praised as good, good demonized as evil...

Prepare accordingly.
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on December 16, 2022, 01:38:45 PM
Technate Part II -

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-worlds-first-technate-part-2 (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-worlds-first-technate-part-2)

It is undeniable that socialism is the ideal fertilizer for which to brew such a dystopian Hell on Earth.

And, the usual suspects strewn throughout and the utilization of G3P's, think-tanks, et al to form the web of tyranny...corrupting institutions...corrupting politics...corrupting the flow of information and education...corrupting everything...

I find it stunning that so many other people are so fricken poisoned in the head by all these assholes and their minions that when the crap about "democracy" comes out of the demonic mouths of people devoted to destroying said (fallacious meaning of the word) "democracy" people's brains don't re-boot at all...they just drool and nod as if it was true.

But, The Good Book and Our Lord warned us...evil would be praised as good, good demonized as evil...

Prepare accordingly.

Huh. China always puzzled me. The book The Party was pretty good but dated now as to the lack of censorship and control. I believe that the Chinese govt is pretty responsive to what the Chinese people want. I understand China mostly as a series of anecdotes. When the ADVChina guys were in China they provided lots of stories.

From the link above.
Quote
In the West we often have difficulty understanding or even conceptualising Chinese mores. We tend to see the world in our own terms and are able to describe it only in reference to the principles and philosophical concepts that we are familiar with. Perhaps we forget that the Western perspective is not the only one in the world.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on December 19, 2022, 09:45:01 AM
Technate Part II -

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-worlds-first-technate-part-2 (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-worlds-first-technate-part-2)

It is undeniable that socialism is the ideal fertilizer for which to brew such a dystopian Hell on Earth.

And, the usual suspects strewn throughout and the utilization of G3P's, think-tanks, et al to form the web of tyranny...corrupting institutions...corrupting politics...corrupting the flow of information and education...corrupting everything...

I find it stunning that so many other people are so fricken poisoned in the head by all these assholes and their minions that when the crap about "democracy" comes out of the demonic mouths of people devoted to destroying said (fallacious meaning of the word) "democracy" people's brains don't re-boot at all...they just drool and nod as if it was true.

But, The Good Book and Our Lord warned us...evil would be praised as good, good demonized as evil...

Prepare accordingly.

Huh. China always puzzled me. The book The Party was pretty good but dated now as to the lack of censorship and control. I believe that the Chinese govt is pretty responsive to what the Chinese people want. I understand China mostly as a series of anecdotes. When the ADVChina guys were in China they provided lots of stories.

From the link above.
Quote
In the West we often have difficulty understanding or even conceptualising Chinese mores. We tend to see the world in our own terms and are able to describe it only in reference to the principles and philosophical concepts that we are familiar with. Perhaps we forget that the Western perspective is not the only one in the world.

Yeah, those people are really getting a response...their wants and perspectives must have been pleading for repression...

Wish granted!
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on December 19, 2022, 10:40:44 AM

I finished a book a few months ago, The Geography of Thought. Chinese people see and report things differently than Westerners. E.g. a painting or an aquarium.  The Chinese report  details while westerners report the main subject. After lots of experiments and analysis they narrowed it down to mostly what language the subjects learned and what language they learned first if more than one.

From memory:
Western language and culture focuses on nouns, classifications, logic.
Chinese focuses on verbs, interactions, harmony.
Mothers playing with children do so differently In China vs the west.

IMO 50,000 years apart is enough time for genetics to vary.

https://www.amazon.com/Geography-Thought-Asians-Westerners-Differently/dp/0743255356 (https://www.amazon.com/Geography-Thought-Asians-Westerners-Differently/dp/0743255356)
 A “landmark book” (Robert J. Sternberg, president of the American Psychological Association) by one of the world's preeminent psychologists that proves human behavior is not “hard-wired” but a function of culture.

Everyone knows that while different cultures think about the world differently, they use the same equipment for doing their thinking. But what if everyone is wrong?

The Geography of Thought documents Richard Nisbett's groundbreaking international research in cultural psychology and shows that people actually think about—and even see—the world differently because of differing ecologies, social structures, philosophies, and educational systems that date back to ancient Greece and China. As a result, East Asian thought is “holistic”—drawn to the perceptual field as a whole and to relations among objects and events within that field. By contrast, Westerners focus on salient objects or people, use attributes to assign them to categories, and apply rules of formal logic to understand their behavior.

From feng shui to metaphysics, from comparative linguistics to economic history, a gulf separates the children of Aristotle from the descendants of Confucius. At a moment in history when the need for cross-cultural understanding and collaboration have never been more important, The Geography of Thought offers both a map to that gulf and a blueprint for a bridge that will span it.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on December 19, 2022, 11:08:42 AM
Differences in philosophical heritage...nothing new there.

There is value in knowing some about all of them...as Sun Tzu said: 

 “If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

Where to next?  Differences in the (just two!) sexes?

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ef0c390fef995969e9f24a3106fac731c66e4613cf4787c7a26f70958011b69a.gif)H/T-WZ
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on January 03, 2023, 08:23:59 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/19-senior-experts-chinas-top-academic-bodies-died-december (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/19-senior-experts-chinas-top-academic-bodies-died-december)

Life is cheaper in Communist China...

Unfortunately their business model seems all too popular with other despots...
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on January 05, 2023, 08:40:07 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-disturbed-turkeys-support-uyghurs-turkish-minister (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-disturbed-turkeys-support-uyghurs-turkish-minister)

Because they are not Kurds...if they were Kurds then Erdogan and his minions would be giddy over their persecution and extermination at the hands of anybody...

Erdogan is pissed about Sweden hosting Kurdsish "terrorists"...labelled "terrorists" since they've been fighting Turks for their ancestral homeland and to live peacefully in their own land...so Kurds anywhere are hated...

ChiCom's should just tell Erdogan the Uyghurs are controlled by Kurds , eh?   ::pokeineye::

Clown sh*t show world...   ::)
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on January 05, 2023, 10:49:54 AM

When Turkey demanded that Sweden extradite some Kurds I think they were serious.
No Kurds no NATO membership for Sweden.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on January 05, 2023, 11:43:18 AM

When Turkey demanded that Sweden extradite some Kurds I think they were serious.
No Kurds no NATO membership for Sweden.

Hypocrites...position on Kurds no different than Chi-Com's on Ughyurs.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on February 03, 2023, 09:38:02 AM
Uyghurs are targets of harsh treatment by the Chinese Communist Party, which views the ethnic group as inferior to the dominant Han Chinese. Hundreds of thousands of Uyghurs have found themselves subject to forced labor and torture in the concentration camps to get them to pledge loyalty to the Chinese Communist Party.

Two Uyghurs, who now live in the U.S., attended this year's conference and shared their experiences with persecution in interviews with The Christian Post.

Jewher Ilham, who lives in the District and works at the Worker Rights Consortium, an "independent labor rights monitoring investigative nonprofit organization," hasn't heard from her imprisoned father in six years.

"The last time we heard from him, he was held in Urumchi First Prison, and that was six years ago, in 2017," she said.

In a 2019 interview with CP, Ilham revealed that her father was set to teach at Indiana University in the U.S. in 2013 when Chinese authorities detained him before he could board a flight to the U.S. While Ilham was attempting to board the same flight, Chinese officials let her go, thinking that she would be kicked out of the U.S. because of her visa status. Instead, the U.S. government accepted her as a refugee.

While Ilham hasn't heard from her father in six years and doesn't know if he is alive or dead, she provided an account of what she learned at the beginning of his captivity.

"The first few months actually when he was arrested, we learned that he was denied food twice, each time for 10 days. And so he lost over 40 pounds just within a few months, and all his hair turned gray. When he was first arrested and detained, he was locked up with lots of criminals."

After noting that her father was "beaten inside the prison cell," Ilham shared information she received from a former inmate who was locked up in the same prison as her father but was later released.

According to the former prisoner, Ilham's father "was teaching inside the prison" and was tasked with judging the quality of skits or plays put on by groups of prisoners to determine which one most effectively praises the Chinese government.

The former inmate also informed Ilham that her father "had a small TV in his room that plays Chinese propaganda 24/7 with very loud volume and strong light, the light won't shut off. So he basically lives in an environment where it's 24/7 bright and loud and full of noise of only about praising the Chinese Government, all this propaganda [about] how China's great, how [the] Communist Party is great."
https://www.christianpost.com/news/uyghurs-share-chinese-prison-camp-horror-stories-at-irf-summit.html (https://www.christianpost.com/news/uyghurs-share-chinese-prison-camp-horror-stories-at-irf-summit.html)

Sounds lovely.  How nice our puppet President is owned lock stock and barrel by these Communists...

/
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on May 08, 2023, 06:33:45 PM


A very unfavorable look at Chinese intrusive busy body rural police. Karens with a badge.

https://youtu.be/5xTMkOCtTGo

And 82,000 rural administrators enter Rural China! CCP Prepares for massive unemployment & war
China Insights
324K subscribers
232,515 views Premiered May 1, 2023 #Chinainsights
#Chinainsights
Recently, talk about rural affairs has been a hot topic in the Chinese media. There are three key elements to this discussion. They are " retiring forests and restoring farmland", retiring 80 million migrant rural workers, and constructing "a comprehensive rural administrative and law enforcement team," or "Nongguan" for short
Another problem that cannot be ignored is that as long as CCP officials have power, it means they can be corrupt and use it as a cash grab. What kind of chaos and turmoil will happen in rural China under the management of such a large administrative army?
It can be said that when the peasants are fooled around like this, the Communist Party's Red Dynasty is in its last days.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on May 09, 2023, 12:54:56 PM
Submission is virtue, resistance is futile.

(https://billmuehlenberg.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/assimilation.jpg)
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on May 17, 2023, 09:01:00 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-launches-nationwide-program-encourage-people-marry-and-have-more-children (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-launches-nationwide-program-encourage-people-marry-and-have-more-children)

LOL!  Drop the Caili and breed, damnit!

 ::hysterical::

And, uhh...where do Communists get married?  Any city prefecture by some atheist political fop?  Just curious...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on May 21, 2023, 03:08:02 PM
Garland Nixon started a sh*t storm with a sarcastic tweet.

https://twitter.com/GarlandNixon/status/1625945743000276995
Garland Nixon
@GarlandNixon
BREAKING NEWS: White House insiders leak that, when asked if there could be any greater disaster than the neocon Ukraine project, President Biden responded, "wait until you see our plan for the destruction of Taiwan."
1:50 PM · Feb 15, 2023
·
520.8K
 Views

Much later he comments on it after some US politician threatens to blow up TSMC. 59 min.
https://youtu.be/56RfUA_xxWc?t=3556
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on May 22, 2023, 08:02:43 AM
This continued linking of Taiwan to Ukraine seems desperate and weak IMO...it is only clouded by the fact that The Kenyan's puppet is the primary driver behind the Ukraine mess when (as Trump states) negotiating an end should be the goal, the cause of keeping the Chi-Com's from spreading like maggots across Asia is a goal worth pursuing...like preventing the Mahdi Death Cult or Kim-led Norks from nuking the planet...but because of the current American regime even a worthy goal gets thrown into the Neo-Con gutter by people whose only solution to those three nations is total capitulation and retreating into your bunker (aka - the mislabeled "safe space").  Any idiot can attack, and any coward can quit.  Give me viable plans that don't involve sticking our head in the dirt and exposing our ass?
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on May 22, 2023, 12:06:01 PM
This continued linking of Taiwan to Ukraine seems desperate and weak IMO...it is only clouded by the fact that The Kenyan's puppet is the primary driver behind the Ukraine mess when (as Trump states) negotiating an end should be the goal, the cause of keeping the Chi-Com's from spreading like maggots across Asia is a goal worth pursuing...like preventing the Mahdi Death Cult or Kim-led Norks from nuking the planet...but because of the current American regime even a worthy goal gets thrown into the Neo-Con gutter by people whose only solution to those three nations is total capitulation and retreating into your bunker (aka - the mislabeled "safe space").  Any idiot can attack, and any coward can quit.  Give me viable plans that don't involve sticking our head in the dirt and exposing our ass?

What do the people of Taiwan want? They may not want Taiwan destroyed like Ukraine in order to save it. There is a presidential election coming up as I recall.
One analyst said that the ideal of the people of Taiwan is to have a govt like Singapore. I have read that more than one western polling organization said that the CCP/CPC enjoys very high support, much higher than US congress. Even a monarchy can be responsive to what people want.

I could be wrong, but I think that people in China vote for local party officials who in turn vote for higher ups who vote for even higher ups.  It took Xi 30-40 years to work his way up by not screwing up increasingly higher positions all over China. There is corruption that may be worse than the Bidens. There used to be a 2 term limit but they changed that for Xi.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on May 22, 2023, 12:20:55 PM
This continued linking of Taiwan to Ukraine seems desperate and weak IMO...it is only clouded by the fact that The Kenyan's puppet is the primary driver behind the Ukraine mess when (as Trump states) negotiating an end should be the goal, the cause of keeping the Chi-Com's from spreading like maggots across Asia is a goal worth pursuing...like preventing the Mahdi Death Cult or Kim-led Norks from nuking the planet...but because of the current American regime even a worthy goal gets thrown into the Neo-Con gutter by people whose only solution to those three nations is total capitulation and retreating into your bunker (aka - the mislabeled "safe space").  Any idiot can attack, and any coward can quit.  Give me viable plans that don't involve sticking our head in the dirt and exposing our ass?

What do the people of Taiwan want? They may not want Taiwan destroyed like Ukraine in order to save it. There is a presidential election coming up as I recall.
One analyst said that the ideal of the people of Taiwan is to have a govt like Singapore. I have read that more than one western polling organization said that the CCP/CPC enjoys very high support, much higher than US congress. Even a monarchy can be responsive to what people want.

I could be wrong, but I think that people in China vote for local party officials who in turn vote for higher ups who vote for even higher ups.  It took Xi 30-40 years to work his way up by not screwing up increasingly higher positions all over China. There is corruption that may be worse than the Bidens. There used to be a 2 term limit but they changed that for Xi.

Takes two to destroy something...or are crazy people taking about US military by itself rendering the island uninhabitable?  Not buying this Taiwan destruction BS.  And if it takes only a majority (thug rule) why would anybody anywhere resist any tyranny?  Better to die on ones knees than standing for something better?  People want to live under communist rule...here's an idea...move to fricken Communist China...oh no...can't have that...gotta drag those resisters along...throw them into re-education camps...or a mass grave...the people have spoken.

China will not allow a new Singapore...basically what Nationalist Chinese wanted when they fled the Communists...I guess those escapees got it coming to them...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on May 22, 2023, 12:30:24 PM

There is a difference between "result" and "blame." The US long ago agreed that Taiwan is part of China and says so in writing. The US could take actions to provoke China into attacking Taiwan. That would result in destruction of Taiwan and the US would blame China. The result would be the destruction of Taiwan. Taiwan is very important and very close to China and has been for a while. Other countries get a vote on what is important to them, not just the US.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on May 22, 2023, 12:31:05 PM

There is a difference between "result" and "blame." The US long ago agreed that Taiwan is part of China and says so in writing. The US could take actions to provoke China into attacking Taiwan. That would result in destruction of Taiwan and the US would blame China. The result would be the destruction of Taiwan. Taiwan is very important and very close to China and has been for a while. Other countries get a vote on what is important to them, not just the US.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1660682836792291329
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on May 23, 2023, 07:54:22 AM
And the inventor of cultural revolutions...condemning others...that IS rich!

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-adventures-natostan-sparks-flying-ibiza-locked-down-bilderberg-lisbon (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-adventures-natostan-sparks-flying-ibiza-locked-down-bilderberg-lisbon)

But Pepe the Buttpuppet of Communist China and Imperial Russia sees his hegemons with thick rose-colored glasses...plus, he could use a fricken bibb too...

What a rank fanboy loser...

Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on May 24, 2023, 10:27:45 PM

I read a book years ago, partly dated as to censorship, The Party. Made me realize I did not understand China. Here is another historical video. Same result. Very interesting to me.

I once looked at the career history of Xi and other members of the 7 member CCP/CPC standing committee. It did not seem to be so bad.

https://youtu.be/lrFQ4U7ie6Y
China´s Forbidden City The Reign of the Concubine | Full Documentary
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on May 30, 2023, 09:35:33 AM
No comedy for you!

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/comedian-arrested-beijing-informants-become-norm-again-china-eroding-mutual-trust (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/comedian-arrested-beijing-informants-become-norm-again-china-eroding-mutual-trust)

Communist states and rat-fink scum go hand in hand...

And even commies play economic games...

The Shenzhen Real Estate Intermediary Association on Friday issued the reminder to caution the market, stressing that the so-called practices of "zero down payment" and "negative down payment" violate China's financial and credit policies. It warned local agencies and practitioners to strictly abide by the principle that "houses are for living in, not speculation," calling for review and adjustment of agency management and prohibiting any form of participation in similar practices.
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/chinese-developers-resorting-negative-down-payment-practices (https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/chinese-developers-resorting-negative-down-payment-practices)

LOL, no speculation...that is only for high-ranking party officials!

As for this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/china-announces-plan-put-humans-moon (https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/china-announces-plan-put-humans-moon)

...there goes the neighborhood.

 ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on June 02, 2023, 01:22:19 PM


I watched more China history docs. They have lots of history. I think they do not want chaos as it is very destructive and causes starvation and mass death. Most recently Mao.

I never looked at China history before. They were often conquered by outsiders like Mongols but the Mongols adopted Chinese customs.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on June 05, 2023, 12:37:14 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/06/tragic-chinese-communist-regime-arrest-hong-kongers-commemorating/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/06/tragic-chinese-communist-regime-arrest-hong-kongers-commemorating/)

They don't like all history...
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on June 06, 2023, 08:35:32 AM
Ahh, the powerful hand of the communist party dictate...

https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/china-tells-largest-banks-cut-deposit-rates-bid-boost-growth (https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/china-tells-largest-banks-cut-deposit-rates-bid-boost-growth)

I think another lockdown/beatdown of the populace should solve things to the satisfaction of the Politburo...

Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on June 06, 2023, 02:58:06 PM

China is weird to me. The culture is weird. The history is weird. The language is weird. According to a heavily footnoted book I read, their language effects the way they think and view the world. Lots of experiments show this. The experiments are reproduceable. If you learn Chinese plus another language the order learned effects the results. . Maybe the genetics are different from the west.

People should not assume that the people on Taiwan are like westerners. I hope people start asking them questions.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on June 07, 2023, 08:37:26 AM
Ancient waring tribal China is interesting, the several imperial dynasties are interesting...but when Mao and the communists came along and seized all of China and drove the nationalists off the mainland they stopped being interesting to me and became something to oppose...

As for the people of Taiwan IMO most people don't know, want to know or care what they think...and even if we did most people wouldn't believe the majority want to capitulate to communist rule or oppose communist rule...people have already made up their minds...

I've always been willing to reconsider my opinions...but when it comes to totalitarian regimes (communist, fascist or a Mahdi Death Cult) I am steadfastly hostile towards any accommodation or conciliation...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on June 07, 2023, 11:30:51 AM

'I used to watch lots of video blogs from China. I check  in on some of the critical ones from time to time. IMO Mao was a monster and did a great deal of harm to China. That the CCP/CPC still displays his image creeps me out. I see almost nothing  in Xi to compare to Mao. They use the word "communist" but so did Mao and Stalin and Pol Pot. I think it is good to dig down and look at the mechanics of how they operate as much as possible.

IMO the Taiwanese people want to make money, have stability, law and order, family life.  They might see what is happening in Ukraine and decide they do not want to goad China into attacking them. Taiwan currently trades a lot with China.Disrupting trade would destroy Taiwan.

What is this so called communism in China? BTW I could make a list of negative or suspected negative things about their system of govt.
Title: Re: China
Post by: ToddF on June 07, 2023, 12:19:26 PM
Quote
Taiwan currently trades a lot with China.Disrupting trade would destroy Taiwan.

And that is the main issue.  China doesn't have to attack Taiwan to destroy it.  They just have to stop the flow of trade.  I've heard that personally from business people there.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on June 08, 2023, 08:00:55 AM
That they haven't done it indicates it might be an over-stated threat...

But if it has put concern in the minds of those susceptible to it then the strategy is successful since it will curb for lack of a better word "extreme" actions injurious to the Communist aims...

Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on June 08, 2023, 10:00:56 AM

The US govt seems to have only one tool in their tool bag and that is military. The US could provoke an invasion by giving Taiwan nukes. I fear some on the US govt would like a war.

I suspect that the US govt 'knew' that Russia would collapse due to sanctions after they invaded.  So they wanted the war there. I hope they are not optimistic about a war over Taiwan. I am no military expert but I would foresee US carriers sunk. Then again maybe the US govt is not results oriented.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on June 08, 2023, 10:27:50 AM
I'm sure the other Pacific Rim nations would welcome a Communist invasion of Taiwan and greater military expansion for them in the region...it'd be crazy to think that isn't a good thing...

 ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on June 13, 2023, 09:00:12 AM
(https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/30173.jpeg)

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/these-countries-are-expanding-their-nuclear-arsenal (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/these-countries-are-expanding-their-nuclear-arsenal)

Gotta love it...they are all such straight up trustworthy nations only looking for peace and prosperity...

China especially is interested in peace and cooperation...

And they are entitled to catch up to Imperialist America and Russia!

/
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on June 14, 2023, 02:47:48 PM
I have watched this guy for a while. He hates the CCP.
Here he exposes CCP propaganda through western youtube influencers in Xinjiang.
Lots of stage managed videos with CCP minders in the background.
I have heard so many different views on this region.

I used to watch lots of videos from him and his side kick. My impressions of China are from hundreds of stories like this. There is much more control now than back when he was first there.

https://youtu.be/5ZhgYT6ipZU
Moron EXPOSES Chinese Government by Accident

Here he explains how he was monitored when he arrived in China.
https://youtu.be/EaBg06osKXY
China tries a Honey Trap to Ensnare me

on edit:
She tries to track him down at his US address. Maybe it is a Chinese male with a pretty picture. Then She/he offers to book  hotel room.

 
 
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on June 14, 2023, 02:54:33 PM
BTW when I post something positive about China it does not mean I do not believe there are lots of bad things and lots of suspect things. Then again what I think is bad may be normal for them. China  and the CCP is opaque.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on June 15, 2023, 08:16:54 AM
They've infiltrated America through corrupt Biden and Quislings like McConnell et al...they bribe/bully others around the globe...and here we learn (not for the first time...remember how accommodating they were with China and the WuFlu?) the Chi-Com's have the WHO by the short-hairs with this "One Health" crap on the precipice of the WHO's pandemic treaty aka backdoor usurpation of national sovereignty scam! (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/intelligence-analyst-sounds-alarm-ccps-influence-over-who-through-one-health-ideologies)

Fvck the Krain!  We need to kill these sonsofbitches!!!
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on June 15, 2023, 05:39:27 PM

Yeah. I recall that the EU wanted their guy in as head of WHO but the Chinese won and had their guy, the Paki, the current head, installed.

During the "century of humiliation", the Chinese perfected the art of "barbarian management."
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on June 15, 2023, 06:07:27 PM
I had these in my feed. I spent way too much time years ago listening to these guys. They  are now very negative on the CCP but I believe their personal stories are honest.
I have heard hundreds. There are lots of western "influencers" or vloggers in China. If they make negative reports they are asked to leave or not allowed back in. They made sure Kissinger and Gen Hague never made negative reports as this would end their visas and the millions they made trading off their contacts in recently opened China to US businesses. The day after Tienanmen square Kissinger wrote an op ed saying the US should not act in haste.

Some vlogger makes positive report on western china. Serpentza notices his minders in the background some geography lessons. He notices the same locals in most videos.
https://youtu.be/5ZhgYT6ipZU
 Moron EXPOSES Chinese Government by Accident
serpentza

He was doing very positive videos on china years ago and went to Inner Mongolia. There was some rabid nationalist he relied on in Bejing who screwed him then sicced the police on hm and his crew. He describes how foreigners have to report where they live/reside every time they change but bigger hotels do it for you. Only certain hotels are allowed to house foreigners. Foreigners have to report to the police within 24 hours of entry and every time they move. He said most police were very nice guys.  Hmmm. I recall a few decades ago the same was true in Germany, according to a prof I had.

https://youtu.be/bq1Vgh_Ux34
 I was Interrogated and Detained by Chinese Special Police - NO BS
serpentza
1.25M subscribers
702K views  2 years ago
I was detained, trailed and harassed by Chinese SWAT, a special police investigator, a Chinese communist party leader and the PLA...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on June 15, 2023, 06:24:13 PM

One of the guys above taught English in inner Mongolia for a couple years and talks about it and control of the people there.
https://youtu.be/Fuk0KuUPBsc
 China Doesn't Want You To Know About This Place
laowhy86
915K subscribers
1,331,084 views  Nov 13, 2019
Hey Laowinners!

I lived in Inner Mongolia for 2 years, but have traveled extensively through the province for many years. Everyone talks about Tibet and Xinjiang, but Inner Mongolia is a province of China that has a lot of issues with local Mongolian uprisings and no real friendship between them and the Han Chinese mean media is on tight crackdown. In my travels, I slowly uncovered the deep problems that haven't come to light yet due to army and government intervention and censorship. Enjoy my story.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on June 21, 2023, 10:44:30 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/blatant-provocation-china-lashes-back-after-biden-labels-xi-dictator (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/blatant-provocation-china-lashes-back-after-biden-labels-xi-dictator)

Right word...totally wrong messenger.

Pot calls Kettle black...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on June 21, 2023, 12:08:38 PM
The ADVChina duo guys are individually serpentza and laowhy86 on youtube. Serpentza is from South Africa and laowhy86 from US. They both taught English in China for years, married Chinese women, and now live in the US. The dared not report too much negative while in China. Now they use old footage and report very negative news and opinions. If they went back they might be disappeared. They have sources back in China.

e.g.
https://youtu.be/AE6bMJMFPao

What Happened After the Protests in China? - The Dark Truth LEAKED
laowhy86

There was protest and the govt ended the lockdowns. The chilling part is around 6 min.
https://youtu.be/AE6bMJMFPao?t=351


The CCP got bad press on Tienanmen square. So this time they gathered data on the protesters. Maybe through cell phone data and/or facial recognition. They have been quietly rounding up the protesters and they are disappeared.
In the video he describes the methods he used where people know of someone who was at the protest and they try to contact them and there is no response.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on June 21, 2023, 01:07:31 PM
Their whole nation is wired, it is one enormous prison...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on June 21, 2023, 02:05:06 PM
Yes. They adopted AI and tracking software in a big way. I saw that they can track a person walking through a big city automatically. They use facial recognition. They can also use gait analysis. I heard it was against the law to leave home without your cell phone.

I am not defending their actions but historically periods of chaos have caused mass starvation so they err on the side of clamping down. Long ago there was a civil war that was sparked in  part by a religious guy who called himself the "Chinese Jesus."  I read that the CCP will never allow creation of ANY national organization as that might be used to challenge the CCP.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on June 22, 2023, 08:10:43 AM
Bad math IMO...I would rather be free and hungry than enslaved and fat...
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on July 18, 2023, 08:20:47 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/hong-kong-offers-1m-bounties-dissidents-abroad (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/hong-kong-offers-1m-bounties-dissidents-abroad)

This is not difficult to understand...

If your government is playing pattycake with Communists while mouthing support for human rights and freedom they are not for human rights and freedom, they are in lockstep with totalitarianism.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on July 25, 2023, 09:14:52 AM
Ahh, PRC...where the elite disappear unfavored members at will...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/xi-jinpings-vanished-foreign-minister-abruptly-replaced-shake (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/xi-jinpings-vanished-foreign-minister-abruptly-replaced-shake)
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on August 03, 2023, 08:03:47 AM
Act of war...

And it seems to dovetail nicely with the CCP thug presence in America (Chi-Com police centers, recall those?)...

https://www.muckraker.com/articles/chinese-invasion-blueprint-exposed/ (https://www.muckraker.com/articles/chinese-invasion-blueprint-exposed/)

...shoot the spies (no uniforms, clearly military...they want to serve the motherland, let them be killed for it)...hold the Chi-Com bastards accountable...arrest, try, convict and execute any US citizen aiding and abetting this treason...

Problem would disappear immediately.
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on August 07, 2023, 05:05:55 PM


China has reportedly been not reporting the huge floods in Bejing. The ADVChina guys said people in China are not told of the floods. This CGTN is the mouthpiece of the CCP. They do not even mention the Forbidden City being flooded.



https://news.cgtn.com/news/2023-08-06/Rescue-relief-operations-continue-in-flood-hit-north-northeast-China-1m31ThIaAEM/index.html (https://news.cgtn.com/news/2023-08-06/Rescue-relief-operations-continue-in-flood-hit-north-northeast-China-1m31ThIaAEM/index.html)
Rescue, relief operations continue in flood-hit north, northeast China
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Emergency rescue and relief operations are continuing after torrential rain and widespread flooding brought by Typhoon Doksuri pounded many regions of north and northeast China since late last week.

Six people have been killed and four remain missing after heavy rain battered the city of Shulan in northeast China's Jilin Province, local authorities said Saturday night.

As of Saturday noon, nine reservoirs exceeding flood limits in the city had maintained proper discharge. The current round of rainfall has now basically ended. A total of 18,916 people have been evacuated, with 21 temporary relocation facilities established. Also, rescue forces have restored functionality of 85 electricity and 26 telecommunication facilities.

...
Also, there was a mag 5 earthquake in some city but felt in Bejing.
Chinese are superstitious.
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/magnitude-55-earthquake-strikes-northeastern-china-region-gfz-2023-08-05/ (https://www.reuters.com/world/china/magnitude-55-earthquake-strikes-northeastern-china-region-gfz-2023-08-05/)

Twenty-one injured in east China magnitude 5.5 earthquake - state media
Reuters
August 6, 20237:17 AM CDTUpdated a day ago

Aug 5 (Reuters) - Twenty-one people were injured and 126 buildings collapsed after an earthquake of magnitude 5.5 struck the eastern Chinese province of Shandong on Sunday, state broadcaster CCTV reported.

The earthquake, 10 km (6 miles) deep, jolted Pingyuan County of Dezhou City at 02:33 a.m. (1833 GMT on Saturday), according to the China Earthquake Networks Center.
...

Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on August 08, 2023, 08:11:48 AM
The Great Dragon Spirit is troubled by the Xi Politburo's plans for seizing Taiwan...
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on August 11, 2023, 09:06:38 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-bail-out-1-trillion-yuan-hidden-lgfv-debt-shifting-it-provinces (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-bail-out-1-trillion-yuan-hidden-lgfv-debt-shifting-it-provinces)

Confucius say, he who spreads hidden debt
probably spreads other unwise things

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on August 14, 2023, 11:33:38 AM

The videos are shocking.
https://youtu.be/PKrInVDqYVQ
 Hit by Consecutive Typhoons and Floods, China’s Largest Grain Region Nearly Wiped Out in One Day
China Observer
259K subscribers
145,053 views  Premiered 20 hours ago  #flood #chinaflood #chinaobserver
Typhoon Doksuri introduced floods that ravaged areas like Beijing, Hebei, and Tianjin, then its circulation continued northward to reach the Northeast region of China. Influenced by the typhoon, several days of heavy rain hit the provinces of Heilongjiang, Liaoning, and Jilin, often referred to as China's "granary". The rivers and reservoirs in these areas saw dramatic rises in water levels, leading to dam breaches. Many at-risk reservoirs, due to years of neglect, not only failed to serve their flood control purpose but also had to release a massive amount of floods to ensure their own safety. This exacerbated the flooding. The raging floods destroyed villages, factories, and other infrastructure, and submerged vast tracts of fertile lands.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on August 15, 2023, 12:17:51 PM
It's not very shocking to see Communists snuff bad news...

Fu Linghui, a spokesman for the NBS, explained it was because the current statistics “need to be improved.”

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/china-halts-release-youth-unemployment-numbers-after-figures/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/china-halts-release-youth-unemployment-numbers-after-figures/)

FU Fu!

 ::laughonfloor::
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on August 16, 2023, 09:25:26 AM
Oh, man...it just keeps getting more hilariously stupid!

With China's Economy On "Verge Of Collapse", PBOC Central Banker Calls For Helicopter Money
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/chinas-economy-verge-collapse-pboc-central-banker-calls-helicopter-money (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/chinas-economy-verge-collapse-pboc-central-banker-calls-helicopter-money)

Looks like that 4T Yuan helicopter drop is about to commence...

 ::hysterical::

TRhat'll add a stable fiat to the BRICS basket!

 ::laughonfloor::
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on August 21, 2023, 05:32:17 PM
In short, this rice/grain producing area was flooded and wiped out. Sad.

https://youtu.be/XBF_-yeLA2k (https://youtu.be/XBF_-yeLA2k)

Here is Heilongjiang province in the video. The Amur river and Russia is the northern border.
(https://www.chinasage.info/maps/Heilongjiang-map.jpg)

I think Harbin is the capital city. I think this is the so called Russian city because of the Russian speaking people.

 China's grain has been devastated by the flood/Millions of People's Rice Bowls are in danger
China Insights
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8,357 views  Aug 20, 2023  #Chinainsights #Chinanews #chinaflood2023
#Chinainsights#Chinanews#chinaflood2023
The flooded area in the video is Wuchang County in Heilongjiang Province. It's located in the northeastern part of China and is known as the "grain warehouse in Northeast China," a region that is well known nationwide. 
Peasants have suffered great damage. Homes built by generations are destroyed, and crops are flooded with no harvest. Look, the floodwaters have inundated the rice paddies. One can only see a sea of water with the tip of the rice crops. Now it’s supposed to be the flowering period. No rice will grow without flowers. In about two months it will be harvesting time, but now with the big flood, the harvest is gone.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on August 22, 2023, 08:14:29 AM
Well, if there are Russian speaking peoples there the Chinese have no choice and must give it to Mother Russia...

I hope those starving Chinese enjoy that helicopter money Xi is going to drop on them that they can spend on, uhh...well not food...maybe escape?

Snort!
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on August 22, 2023, 09:36:15 AM
Well, if there are Russian speaking peoples there the Chinese have no choice and must give it to Mother Russia...

I hope those starving Chinese enjoy that helicopter money Xi is going to drop on them that they can spend on, uhh...well not food...maybe escape?

Snort!

Russia and China settled their border disputes long ago as I recall. I learned of the Russians inside China from the ADVChina guys from there motorcycle rides through China. I trust such videos more than any other source.

I think Mongolia had been part of China at one time but then became independent and China left well enough alone. Not sure if there is anything worth anything in Mongolia. Mostly arid grasslands with maybe one big city where most live.
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on August 22, 2023, 09:45:35 AM

https://youtu.be/fbJ7VM46QVs
 We Found White Chinese People in China!
ADVChina
467K subscribers
933,223 views  May 20, 2019
In the northern regions of China near the Russian border there are white Russian Chinese citizens that speak Chinese. We rode all the way up there to find them, and it was one of our most interesting discoveries.

on edit:
This is not the original video from years ago. Not sure what city they were ion on the border.
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on August 22, 2023, 09:50:48 AM

https://youtu.be/fHFNA2JTvk0
 Harbin: A Chinese city with a Russian feel
Blondie in China
337K subscribers
421K views  3 years ago
Walking through the centre of Harbin in China's northeast, you'd be forgiven for thinking you were in Russia!

Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on August 22, 2023, 10:39:34 AM


Hmmm
Fast paced history lesson. Russian Chinese border. Chinese city of Harbin is 10 million, more than entire Russian far east.
https://youtu.be/IslzsHmdSho
 Khabarovsk: Russian city on the Chinese border!
Geo Perspective
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158,709 views  Dec 4, 2020
MOSCOW MAP:
https://geoperspective.org/product/mo...

Khabarovsk is a Russian city that is just 30km away from the Chinese border. How did this border come to be? And what is it like for Russians living on so close to their much more populated neighbors?

The Amur river is mostly the border between Russia and China in that region.

I only became aware of this region in trying to find some cities as the musician Alina Gingertail lives there.
Turns out she is a geek who does Renaissance fair kinda stuff in Khabarovsk but she was born in Blagoveshchensk also on the Amur river.

Meanwhile in 2023 Khabarovsk across the river from a larger Chinese city
https://youtu.be/CC8Sfcly8ts?list=PLSUUnrBgjhLL7oCaqMgO3fEPUvrJpKM4g

In 2013 Blagoveshchensk
https://youtu.be/R0hXWJnur_Q
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on August 22, 2023, 12:50:28 PM
Well, if there are Russian speaking peoples there the Chinese have no choice and must give it to Mother Russia...

I hope those starving Chinese enjoy that helicopter money Xi is going to drop on them that they can spend on, uhh...well not food...maybe escape?

Snort!

Russia and China settled their border disputes long ago as I recall. I learned of the Russians inside China from the ADVChina guys from there motorcycle rides through China. I trust such videos more than any other source.

I think Mongolia had been part of China at one time but then became independent and China left well enough alone. Not sure if there is anything worth anything in Mongolia. Mostly arid grasslands with maybe one big city where most live.

 ::hysterical::

Ya, under Soviets?  Snort!  So they did with Ukraine...but when Putin saw those previously agreed to borders no longer benefiting them after the Soviet collapse...

I know I am weird as heck...I demand consistency of principle and action...if a SMO is launched to benefit Russian speaking people and advance the security of Russia...there should be no difference applied for the Russian speaking people in Asia...borders respected by a previous regime should hold no merit for a new regime...the precedent is set.

In fact the Obamian puppet FJB is inconsistent too...should be exploiting the f**k out of this opportunity to reassert the Monroe Doctrine...

This Nicaraguan butthead is acting up again...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/major-threat-america-communist-dictator-nicaragua-authorizes-installation/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/major-threat-america-communist-dictator-nicaragua-authorizes-installation/)

...ought to roll up in that crap (had no idea that commie taco bastard was still alive, how disappointing...) and wipe them out...and Cuba too while we're at it...

But no...Obamian puppet FJB loves commie scum...

 ::outrage::
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on August 22, 2023, 01:05:34 PM

I have not kept up on any of those Latin American countries. I wish the US would lift sanctions as they use them as an excuse for their socialist mismanagement. Indigo Traveler did a series from Venezuela. A scary place. He had a local body guard and guide. He went through that abandoned partially built high rise full of squatters. No outside skin on the place, or elevators.
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on September 09, 2023, 05:36:00 PM

Reasons? recent military purge (including missile force), foreign minister went missing, the economy is bad.
Xi blames his predecessors.

https://youtu.be/WGDDTCULdDk

Xi Jinping Reprimanded By Party Elders Over China's Crisis | Vantage with Palki Sharma
Firstpost
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Xi Jinping Reprimanded By Party Elders Over China's Crisis | Vantage with Palki Sharma

Amid China's economic downturn, military upheaval, and political instability, party elders have reprimanded President Xi Jinping at a Beidaihe meeting.

They warn that continued turmoil could erode public support and threaten the party's rule.

Could this wave of criticism be the reason behind Xi Jinping's absence from the G20 Summit? Palki Sharma reports.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on September 11, 2023, 08:37:12 AM
Probably scheming to have those elders sent to carousel...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on September 11, 2023, 09:50:21 AM

carousel?
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on September 11, 2023, 10:22:27 AM
Logan's Run...
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on September 12, 2023, 09:37:33 AM
Witness the CCP eagerly anticipating a nuke detonated over Tokyo...

https://youtu.be/1OUQ9U8zQyg

...that's some sick twisted sh*t right there.

But, Commies...they hate people who aren't Commies and those who don't kiss their crazy asses...

 ::doublebird::
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on September 12, 2023, 02:04:49 PM
The ADVChina guys said that the CCP used to show lots of WWII movies with almost cartoonish bad Japs. They used them in part to generate nationalism feelings.

The think the Japanese govt is economically intertwined with China to a great degree. The US govt would love to stir things up.
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on September 25, 2023, 06:01:33 PM


Some guy showing how the US is building up military near China. I did not know that Japanese islands extend down to Taiwan. Currently being built up by US and Japan.

https://youtu.be/plHRRFHZ_f0
 Why the US Military is Preparing for War With China
Johnny Harris
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on September 26, 2023, 08:17:25 AM
Yeah, Chi-Com's not recognizing Japanese, Vietnamese or Philippine territory either...such a nice benevolent neighbor...

And for fvck sake, Mageshima is right off the coast of Kyushu...

This YouTuber will really wet his pants to learn where Okinawa is...

 ::ohno::

 ::laughonfloor::

Wake me up when the US military de-woke's itself and starts playing hardball with these little commie bastards by making artificial islands in strategic places and militarizes the mommafracking shizzle out of them...but I suspect I'll be napping until death first...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on September 26, 2023, 10:40:46 AM

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/Location_of_the_Ryukyu_Islands.JPG)

I had no idea the islands extended far south and west of Okinawa. US wants to put bases on them to at least monitor the sea traffic.

I knew a USAF guy. He said there is anti US sentiment in Okinawa. I recall that China, by hook or crook, controls Japanese news media, at least in Okinawa.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on September 26, 2023, 12:35:55 PM
Been US air and naval assets on Okinawa since WWII...

Anti-US sentiment?   ::ohno::

More ungrateful louts we've foolishly protected for far too long!  Should just make it the 51st state, problem solved.  I hear annexation is back in style anyway and I hate being left out of the fun.
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on September 26, 2023, 02:21:17 PM
Been US air and naval assets on Okinawa since WWII...

Anti-US sentiment?   ::ohno::

More ungrateful louts we've foolishly protected for far too long!  Should just make it the 51st state, problem solved.  I hear annexation is back in style anyway and I hate being left out of the fun.
For some reason there is heavy communist influence in Okinawa. Lots of anti US protests. Maybe it a reaction to heavy US presence on the island. The Chinese fund this I think.

My USAF friend said he went to some war museum in Japan, maybe Hiroshima?  If looks could kill he would have been dead.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on September 27, 2023, 08:59:27 AM
Been US air and naval assets on Okinawa since WWII...

Anti-US sentiment?   ::ohno::

More ungrateful louts we've foolishly protected for far too long!  Should just make it the 51st state, problem solved.  I hear annexation is back in style anyway and I hate being left out of the fun.
For some reason there is heavy communist influence in Okinawa. Lots of anti US protests. Maybe it a reaction to heavy US presence on the island. The Chinese fund this I think.

My USAF friend said he went to some war museum in Japan, maybe Hiroshima?  If looks could kill he would have been dead.

When the Chi-Com's roll in then they will all be in a good position to compare occupation differences, won't that be swell?
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on October 04, 2023, 12:33:13 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12589429/chinese-sailors-trap-yellow-sea.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12589429/chinese-sailors-trap-yellow-sea.html)

Snared by their own trap...

Priceless!

Of course everybody is denying everything...Chi-Coms cannot lose face and Taiwan cannot afford a panic over something as minor as potential nuclear contamination heading their way...

All is well...

 ::bus::
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on October 05, 2023, 04:09:51 PM


I get such mixed news on Chinese military. Competent or screw ups?
For Taiwan maybe all they have to do is make lots of missiles.

Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on October 05, 2023, 04:55:12 PM
Mix of both, hear their MBR is not so good...having to compensate by augmenting troops with upgraded body armor to maintain viability in the field, I think their stealth is spotty at best...if they use inferior materials in things like they do in the crap they sell us they will experience issues...how integrated they are I am skeptical of...but they have numbers in personnel and material...and like the Soviets & Mao throwing lots of each at enemies is not anything leadership will lose sleep over...

The move it will be with shotgun blasts of everything...basically meaning lots and lots of collateral damage to life and infrastructure...and if they are successful inherit a big ugly mess...

If US military leaders were smart...oops, almost let that cat out of the bag...no, not doing any favors for them...plus, how smart those woketards are is sketchy at best...
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on October 09, 2023, 03:34:58 PM
More Chi-Com weaponizing of space?

No thanks.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-double-size-its-space-station-iss-phased-out (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-double-size-its-space-station-iss-phased-out)

Blast it!
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on October 10, 2023, 09:10:59 AM
The Neo-Keynesian Chi-Com's...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-considers-stimulus-higher-deficit-spending-counter-property-bust (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-considers-stimulus-higher-deficit-spending-counter-property-bust)

 ::hysterical::

B-b-but Communism will do it better!

 ::laughonfloor::
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on November 13, 2023, 10:00:56 AM
Murderous Chi-Com robots cannot tell the difference between a box and a human...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/industrial-robot-kills-man-south-korean-distribution-center (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/industrial-robot-kills-man-south-korean-distribution-center)

...lucky for them they have so many replacements...   ::)
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on November 15, 2023, 02:15:39 PM

China refused to meet with Biden in China but met with Newsom.
Now Xi goes to California and the first to meet him is Newsom, then Biden.
They know how to manage barbarians.

Years ago I was in Chicago walking around. There was a street blocked off. Chinese flags. Chinese lettering on the buildings. Chinese police cars. Freaked me out until I learned they were shooting a new Transformers movie.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on November 16, 2023, 08:51:54 AM
Well, you'll see them flying again for real...maybe some others too...

It doesn't take a genius to see how weak corrupt puppet FJB America is...any idiot can see it...

And, no idea if someone thought this was good domestic PR to divert people from the bromance of the official statements the two made to each other in public...or if its the dementia kicking in again...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/scenes-red-dawn-2023-san-francisco-biden-xi-enter-4-hours-talks (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/scenes-red-dawn-2023-san-francisco-biden-xi-enter-4-hours-talks)

...but it doesn't matter, actions speak louder than words and puppet FJB's actions all benefit Dictator Xi and hurt Americans...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on November 16, 2023, 12:20:49 PM
Well, you'll see them flying again for real...maybe some others too...

It doesn't take a genius to see how weak corrupt puppet FJB America is...any idiot can see it...

And, no idea if someone thought this was good domestic PR to divert people from the bromance of the official statements the two made to each other in public...or if its the dementia kicking in again...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/scenes-red-dawn-2023-san-francisco-biden-xi-enter-4-hours-talks (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/scenes-red-dawn-2023-san-francisco-biden-xi-enter-4-hours-talks)

...but it doesn't matter, actions speak louder than words and puppet FJB's actions all benefit Dictator Xi and hurt Americans...

Speaking of lack of diplomacy above.

 Nothing has changed my mind about China. They are a nation of merchants, traders, hustlers who are taking over the world. They don't need arms to do it.  Remember when "The business of America is business." Now that might as well be the motto of China. I recall they are the leading trading partner of most of south America. It used to be the US.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on November 16, 2023, 12:59:34 PM
Well, you'll see them flying again for real...maybe some others too...

It doesn't take a genius to see how weak corrupt puppet FJB America is...any idiot can see it...

And, no idea if someone thought this was good domestic PR to divert people from the bromance of the official statements the two made to each other in public...or if its the dementia kicking in again...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/scenes-red-dawn-2023-san-francisco-biden-xi-enter-4-hours-talks (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/scenes-red-dawn-2023-san-francisco-biden-xi-enter-4-hours-talks)

...but it doesn't matter, actions speak louder than words and puppet FJB's actions all benefit Dictator Xi and hurt Americans...

Speaking of lack of diplomacy above.

 Nothing has changed my mind about China. They are a nation of merchants, traders, hustlers who are taking over the world. They don't need arms to do it.  Remember when "The business of America is business." Now that might as well be the motto of China. I recall they are the leading trading partner of most of south America. It used to be the US.

They couldn't have gotten there without dollar-chasing Globalists, corrupt politicians and voters who love being treated like sh*t...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on November 16, 2023, 01:45:32 PM
Well, you'll see them flying again for real...maybe some others too...

It doesn't take a genius to see how weak corrupt puppet FJB America is...any idiot can see it...

And, no idea if someone thought this was good domestic PR to divert people from the bromance of the official statements the two made to each other in public...or if its the dementia kicking in again...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/scenes-red-dawn-2023-san-francisco-biden-xi-enter-4-hours-talks (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/scenes-red-dawn-2023-san-francisco-biden-xi-enter-4-hours-talks)

...but it doesn't matter, actions speak louder than words and puppet FJB's actions all benefit Dictator Xi and hurt Americans...

Speaking of lack of diplomacy above.

 Nothing has changed my mind about China. They are a nation of merchants, traders, hustlers who are taking over the world. They don't need arms to do it.  Remember when "The business of America is business." Now that might as well be the motto of China. I recall they are the leading trading partner of most of south America. It used to be the US.

They couldn't have gotten there without dollar-chasing Globalists, corrupt politicians and voters who love being treated like sh*t...

Yup.
China did not steal US jobs. US investors sold them.
Now it seems that countries should make things. One unsaid lesson of Russian sanctions is that free trade is not all good.

OT
I saw that one of the Baltics was to sanction Russia further by not selling them sewing needles and the like. So another Baltic industry gets hurt. They already lost lots of industry due to sanctions. I recall specialty cheeses and others. I wonder if Russia, China, or Vietnam could figure out how to make such needles?

OT but I heard something via Roku. It said that leaked US embassy cables reported that little was known about Putin and that the oligarchs backed a different guy.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on November 17, 2023, 08:16:27 AM
https://babylonbee.com/news/president-xi-arrives-to-inspect-his-colony-in-the-americas/ (https://babylonbee.com/news/president-xi-arrives-to-inspect-his-colony-in-the-americas/)

Heh, dark humor.

And, in perfect timing...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/applied-materials-plunges-after-doj-probe-report-shipments-china (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/applied-materials-plunges-after-doj-probe-report-shipments-china)

Funny how this happens AFTER the machines were sent to Communist China!  Not really funny though, predictable, it's the backside cleanup of the transaction allowed to happen so corrupt compromised FJB can make good on his 10% for the Big Guy dark deals with scumbags!

Corrupt elections, fraudulent and compromised leaders leads to more and more corruption and fraud...

America was always going to be threatened by corruption...and the sewer of cultural decline stoked by ComIntern operatives and homegrown traitors planted vile seeds that poisoned things all too well to the point that things like morality, ethics and virtue in leaders has been replaced with all 7 of the deadly sins...

 ::upsidedownflag::

PS - Did you see this?  What has Blinken so scared?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1724915618040721902 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1724915618040721902)

He looks like he wants to cry and vomit.

Did Xi himself or a henchling shoot a quiet threat across the table, slip a note of warning?

(https://static-assets-1.truthsocial.com/tmtg:prime-ts-assets/media_attachments/files/111/424/262/353/295/230/original/b00221aeb4d52fb1.jpg)H/T-CTH

The consequences of The Steal could be so nightmarishly underestimated by most American's...   ::outrage::
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on November 17, 2023, 01:38:49 PM


one minute clip on Biden and Xi. Funny.
The earlier photo of Biden and Blinken on plane are when Biden earlier said something cringe worthy making Blinken cringe.

"Every single time Biden opens his mouth without a script, a part of Blinken's soul leaves his body." :lolh:

https://youtu.be/U-5AMR0YfZE?t=1957
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Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on November 17, 2023, 02:50:08 PM

The Duran analyses the recent Xi visit. He played hard to get and had strict demands, all met. Clean streets, no protests, only friendly crowds. Barbarian management 101.

https://youtu.be/mqrwwR5dDQI?t=249
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on November 20, 2023, 08:49:54 AM
When you own a corrupt POS getting your way is not very hard...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/outside-apec-complaints-intimidation-assaults (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/outside-apec-complaints-intimidation-assaults)

...but paid agitators always help...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on November 20, 2023, 11:15:38 AM
When you own a corrupt POS getting your way is not very hard...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/outside-apec-complaints-intimidation-assaults (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/outside-apec-complaints-intimidation-assaults)

...but paid agitators always help...

Tickets for the banquet started at $2,000 each, with several companies shelling out $40,000 to buy eight seats at a table in the ballroom and one at Xi’s table. After Xi’s remarks, attendees provided yet another standing ovation, according to Reuters.

Some executives made no attempt to hide their gushing. On the way into the Hyatt, Bridgewater Associates hedge fund founder Ray Dalio told the Financial Times that he was “excited to have this relationship [with Xi].”
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on November 20, 2023, 11:38:06 AM
When you own a corrupt POS getting your way is not very hard...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/outside-apec-complaints-intimidation-assaults (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/outside-apec-complaints-intimidation-assaults)

...but paid agitators always help...

Tickets for the banquet started at $2,000 each, with several companies shelling out $40,000 to buy eight seats at a table in the ballroom and one at Xi’s table. After Xi’s remarks, attendees provided yet another standing ovation, according to Reuters.

Some executives made no attempt to hide their gushing. On the way into the Hyatt, Bridgewater Associates hedge fund founder Ray Dalio told the Financial Times that he was “excited to have this relationship [with Xi].”

Yup, excited to look away from slave labor, genocide of minorities, stealing tech and caving to Chi-Com BigBrother rules...to make a buck...exciting...eh?

Ghouls.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on November 28, 2023, 12:28:06 PM
Oh yeah...immediately defenestrating a human risk to state designs once their usefulness is complete is so Communist China and eminently totalitarian...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/11/creator-covid-19-vaccine-was-reportedly-thrown-roof/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/11/creator-covid-19-vaccine-was-reportedly-thrown-roof/)

Chuck Zhou off roof, har har... He no fly...ha..mark as accident...
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on November 29, 2023, 01:10:14 PM
https://www.theepochtimes.com/china/family-appeals-for-global-attention-as-chinese-faith-persecution-case-heads-to-trial-5537484?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=TheLibertyDaily&src_src=partner&src_cmp=TheLibertyDaily (https://www.theepochtimes.com/china/family-appeals-for-global-attention-as-chinese-faith-persecution-case-heads-to-trial-5537484?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=TheLibertyDaily&src_src=partner&src_cmp=TheLibertyDaily)

Huh, I guess I was surprised any survivors of the slaughter begun by Zemin were still alive.  Well, looks like the purge is still on...
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on December 19, 2023, 08:56:01 AM
I do not see this as a pivot to Washington because the Euro's believe in Washington...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-china-summit-goes-nowhere-and-frustrates-beijings-plans (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-china-summit-goes-nowhere-and-frustrates-beijings-plans)

...I see it as a rare sober recognition that the interests of China are selfish and will always be that way...so needling them on their economic & trade practices, Uyghurs & Taiwan is indicating their patience has worn thin...

Perhaps too late, who knows...if China stays true to form they'll engage in soft bullying...

And XI probably wishes the Euro's were as easy to buy off as The Kenyan's corrupt jello-headed puppet FJB...

(https://theconservativetreehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/biden-laughing.jpg)

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/12/18/now-that-blackrock-biden-white-house-have-forced-ev-mandates-china-moves-massive-investment-into-mexico-to-make-evs-for-u-s-market/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/12/18/now-that-blackrock-biden-white-house-have-forced-ev-mandates-china-moves-massive-investment-into-mexico-to-make-evs-for-u-s-market/)

...the raping of America to enrich its corrupt leadership just keeps rolling on...

 ::outrage::
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on December 19, 2023, 02:36:48 PM

I keep seeing the same thing around the world. China is a bunch or merchants, traders, and now builders and manufacturers.  The US does not respond by doing those things better than China but by subverting them wherever possible.

I heard that US is working to subvert govts in SE Asia that get too friendly with China. China had some HS rail project lined up and US killed it. US does not seem to bring anything positive to the table to sweeten the pot.



Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on December 19, 2023, 04:26:47 PM
old video clip of Nixon on the Israel lobby
https://t.me/putingers_cat_chat/171841

Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on December 21, 2023, 11:52:37 AM


Had YT on. Some guys said that China and Russia just inked a big deal in the RU far east and named the province. I recognized it as the site of major flooding. Visa free travel both ways. Direct China federal control of the major city Harbin, usually reserved for important cities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbin. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbin.)

RU city is Blagoveshchensk on the Amur river. Birthplace of Alina GingertailI believe. My  latest internet addiction.
From Blagoveshchensk ...2013
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzChrYwMj8FaBjvXhbfhDdtobIARAbcwO (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzChrYwMj8FaBjvXhbfhDdtobIARAbcwO)

Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on January 08, 2024, 02:44:02 PM

Long. Different take on China. Canadian guy in China. What he reports on about Honk Kong matches what I heard elsewhere including reporting from Michael Yon.  He goes into details on the HK security law passed. Also the HK riots were US financed as many are. I recall that Muslim countries sent fact finding missions into the Uighur regions and did not find what the west reported.


https://youtu.be/BENky0V_qDM
[lowkeysays]https://youtu.be/BENky0V_qDM[/lowkeysays]
 Xinjiang, Hong Kong, Media Lies and the War On China, w/ Daniel Dumbrill
BreakThrough News

542K subscribers
TIME CODES
0:00 Intro
0:57 Who is Daniel Dumbrill?
4:15 What really happened in Hong Kong vs the western media narrative
17:32 How does China view the US leaving Afghanistan?
20:54 Has Daniel ever had trouble with security authorities in China?
23:52 How did Daniel get to Xinjiang? Was it hard to get in?
26:38 What Daniel saw in Xinjiang and how it compares to accusations in the US press
31:41The US “War on Terror” vs legitimate threats countries deal with in their own borders and how it’s different
34:30 Daniel speaks Mandarin!
38:51 What is the terrorism problem in Xinjiang? Who is behind it?
47:47 Is there diversity in China or is there an attempt to impose one culture on people, as Western media claims? 
49:51 The intended impact of US sanctions on Xinjiang
54:56 Who is behind all these wild accusations against China?
1:00:09 The importance of Xinjiang to the Belt and Road Initiative
1:06:15 Daniel responds to his critics
1:16:10 The eradication of extreme poverty in China
1:25:37 Where you can follow Daniel’s work
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on January 09, 2024, 07:43:12 AM
Wow, shocking....China perfect, US evil incarnate...seems fair...

/

And the perfect little Commies sure like dicking with Taiwan politics...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-sanctions-5-us-defense-firms-message-ahead-taiwan-election (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-sanctions-5-us-defense-firms-message-ahead-taiwan-election)

...I think the twisted panda needs a kick in the berries!

PS - And this POS should have been executed!

https://www.frontpagemag.com/how-does-a-navy-sailor-spying-for-china-come-away-with-only-2-years-in-prison/ (https://www.frontpagemag.com/how-does-a-navy-sailor-spying-for-china-come-away-with-only-2-years-in-prison/)
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on January 09, 2024, 01:48:28 PM
2 years in prison? Geez.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on January 18, 2024, 10:35:25 AM
It was an easy call I made earlier...the Chi-Com PPT jumps into action...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/futures-rebound-amid-whispers-relief-rally-china-plunge-protection-team-steps (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/futures-rebound-amid-whispers-relief-rally-china-plunge-protection-team-steps)

...state funds to the rescue!

When that has exhausted itself and the reversion to the original mean resumes...they'll move on to Plan I - Invasion of Taiwan!
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on January 19, 2024, 10:56:47 AM
More on the absolute joy of living in a people's paradise...

A deleted article detailing the torture and death of a young man in police custody in China's northwestern region of Xinjiang offered a picture of the methods typically used by police during interrogations, a former police officer and a rights lawyer told Radio Free Asia in recent interviews.

In 2018, police officers in Xinjiang's Ili Kazakh Autonomous Prefecture detained Sun Renze, the 30-year-old son of a police officer who died on active duty, on suspicion of "picking quarrels and stirring up trouble," according to the Jan. 14 article on the news website Caixin, which cited court documents from a November 2023 trial of eight police officers in connection with Sun's treatment.

On the early morning of Sept. 27, 2018, Sun Renze fell into a coma after being interrogated and tortured for seven hours straight by officers in Ili's Kuitun city, Caixin reported, detailing a litany of torture methods including the being forced to carry an iron chair, electric shocks, mustard, hanging heavy objects from the victim's genitals and waterboarding.

While the article, which focused on the Nov. 6, 2023, trial of eight of the officers involved, was deleted within minutes of appearing on the Caixin website, copies were still available on overseas websites, including China Digital Times.

While it has been increasingly targeted for deletion and censorship under Xi Jinping’s nationwide crackdown on public speech, Caixin nonetheless once made a name for itself as a cutting-edge media organization that published a number of hard-hitting reports on the suppression of press freedom and purges at the Guangzhou-based Southern media group in 2012 and early 2013.

Sun, who is Han Chinese, was taken to the ICU and transferred between "multiple hospitals" after losing consciousness, eventually dying at the age of 30 on Nov. 9, 2018, Caixin reported.

The Kuitun Municipal People's Court found eight Ili police officers, including two named as Wu Xuemin and Liu Xianyong, guilty of "intentional injury," and sentenced them to jail terms ranging from three to 13 years, it said.

‘Murderers!’

Sun's mother and police widow Ren Tingting was present at the trial, crying on a number of occasions during proceedings, and standing up and shouting at the officers: "Murderers! I will never forgive you!" at one point, the report said.

The article said Sun was initially held at the Qapqal Xibe Autonomous County Detention Center, then transferred to a basement room at the Ili traffic police headquarters because officers felt they had made little progress in extracting a confession.

According to the Caixin article, Sun was arrested during a region wide crackdown on criminal gangs, and police were hoping to extract a confession that was precisely worded, in connection with the death of a young woman, Deng Xuefei, who fell from a building during a visit by debt collectors including Sun several years earlier.

Sun was then taken to the "case-handling station" at Huocheng County police, where the officers were asked to take him away again because Sun's screams could be heard in the front-of-house offices.

Sun eventually wound up in the Huocheng County Detention Center, where the officers arranged for an interrogation room without surveillance cameras, the court heard.

The interrogations were so intense that even the officers were exhausted, and asked their bosses for a break on Sept. 26.

But they were told to intensify their efforts to "completely break Sun Renze’s spirit," Caixin reported.

Waterboarding, beatings

The court heard that the interrogation room was one used exclusively by state security police, and was equipped with two surveillance cameras. The detention center director ordered one of the members of staff, surnamed Chai, to shut down the cameras, but Chai kept one of them rolling for seven hours, for fear that the case would come back to bite him, the report said.

"The surveillance video showed that for more than seven hours between 4 p.m. and 11:30 p.m., Sun Renze was waterboarded, both directly and with a towel, more than ten times, with two of the sessions lasting more than 15 minutes at a stretch. He was also forced to carry an iron chair and dumbbells back and forth repeatedly for 40 minutes.

"In the video, when the interrogators were carrying out the waterboarding, we couldn't see Sun Renze's expression and reaction, but we saw the iron frame bed shaking violently for a long time, and we can imagine how much he was suffering," one witness told the court.

Sun's interrogators also slapped him in the face, beat his calves and heels with a white PVC pipe, and administered electric shocks with an old-fashioned telephone, while he was restrained on the bed.

While some of the police officers claimed that they wouldn't typically engage in such torture methods, a former police officer told Radio Free Asia that they were common in Chinese law enforcement.

"Some officers get emotionally involved in interrogations, and they will hit a bit harder," former Zhuzhou city cop Cheng Xiaofeng told RFA Mandarin.

"This kind of water torture can make it hard for suspects to breathe, and it can cause suffocation and death," he said. "It's a harsher method that they use in the north, but we typically don't use it in the south."

According to Cheng, officers are more likely to torture suspects when they are under pressure to crack a case from higher up.

"The higher-ups would say things like 'you have to crack this case in the next week', which would prompt the lower-ranking officers to rush their investigations and start using 'methods'," Cheng said. "This was quite common, and a primary cause [of torture]."

Guo Min, a former deputy director of a police station in Zhuzhou, Hunan, agreed that torture is commonplace in Chinese law enforcement.

"Actually, we would often use such methods when handling cases," Guo told RFA. "Using 'methods' is pretty common when suspects are uncooperative."

He said there has been more of an attempt to prevent the abuse and torture of suspects in run of the mill police work, but political cases had fewer restraints.

"The police are a bit more regulated while handling [regular] criminal cases, but in political cases, they stop at nothing," Guo said.

‘It happens in almost every case’

U.S.-based rights attorney Chen Jiangang, who once exposed the details of the torture of fellow rights lawyer and client Xie Yang, agreed.

"Based on my more than 10 years of experience in handling criminal cases, it is common for the public security to use illegal methods like torture, ill-treatment, beatings and intimidation when handling cases," Chen told RFA in a recent interview. "It happens in almost every case."

But in Chen's view, torture and ill-treatment aren't effective ways of getting a suspect to tell the truth, and will likely just generate miscarriages of justice.

He said it's extremely rare for a case such as the torture of Sun Renze to win any kind of public redress -- the vast majority have no consequences for the perpetrators.

"The law states that video cameras must be switched on during interrogations ... but obviously officers who torture won't be recording it," he said.

"Cases like [Sun's, in which perpetrators are brought to justice] only happen by accident, and the ratio is less than 1 in 10,000," he said. "It's the tip of the iceberg."

"Torture is huge [in China] -- it's a humanitarian disaster," Chen said.

https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/china-torture-01172024134723.html (https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/china-torture-01172024134723.html)

And remember, this regime is the one demonazis and DeepState despots long to emulate in America...   ::speechless::

Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on January 22, 2024, 08:43:04 AM
Heh, Chi-Com PPT effort #1 fizzled, time for PPT effort #2!

The rout in China was about to take out key knock-in levels before Beijing's Plunge Protection Team, i.e., the Naitional Team, stepped in. Turnover on a handful of ETFs tracking the CSI 300 Index and the SSE 50 Index jump in afternoon trading, a sign that state-led buying continues as the CSI 300 falls as much as 1.5%.Trading on the China AMC CSI 300 Index ETF was 5.6 billion yuan, the E-Fund CSI 300 ETF was 6.5 billion yuan and Harvest CSI 300 was 6.2b yuan, with all hitting their highest levels on record as of 2:18 p.m. local time.

The intervention was triggered after the CSI 500 Index slipped 2.2% to 4,911 points on Monday, taking it less than 1% away from an earlier estimated threshold that would possibly result in a mass knock-in level for so-called snowball derivatives ties to the gauge. CICC estimated that the average knock-in threshold for the CSI 500 Index is 4,865 points, a breach of which would mean a loss at maturity, and could bring wave of selling in index futures.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/futures-enter-blow-top-tech-led-frenzy-chinas-plunge-protection-team-steps-again (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/futures-enter-blow-top-tech-led-frenzy-chinas-plunge-protection-team-steps-again)

More here - https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-stocks-crash-through-snowball-derivatives-trigger-levels-overnight (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-stocks-crash-through-snowball-derivatives-trigger-levels-overnight)

Basically, option derivatives betting one way were poised to be slaughtered and the Chinese stepped in to reverse at best or lessen at worst the natural damage it was heading to...and the stimulus bazooka they talk about is no guarantee and as we saw here with the loose Fed there is a steep price to pay for over-priming...

I still say their best stimulus is invading Taiwan...and it could happen in the next couple months...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on January 22, 2024, 02:13:02 PM

I do not understand such finance stuff at all.
I have been reading headlines that china finance is about to collapse for maybe decades.
Maybe it will tomorrow. Or not.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on January 23, 2024, 08:18:23 AM
Well, their empty infrastructure projects are legendary...and they've hurt their own domestic manufacturing sector and I am still trying to figure out if it was planned to harm external customers or not but am leaning towards yes...and this mess of late is all getting bailed out...and its effect will be fleeting...so I am sticking to my prediction that their answer to their problems is an invasion of Taiwan...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on January 23, 2024, 05:53:10 PM
The Chinese diaspora in SE Asia controls most commerce and will aid China.
https://youtu.be/b-dpiEwSmB0 (https://youtu.be/b-dpiEwSmB0)
 
WHY China's UNICULTURAL EDGE Terrifies Pentagon Planners



In short, China has an advantage as a nation state over the US multicultural empire.
https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Litigation_Release/Litigation%20Release%20-%20The%20Strategic%20Consequences%20of%20Chinese%20Racism%20%20201301.pdf (https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Litigation_Release/Litigation%20Release%20-%20The%20Strategic%20Consequences%20of%20Chinese%20Racism%20%20201301.pdf)

THE STRATEGIC CONSEQUENCES
OF CHINESE RACISM:
A Strategic Asymmetry for the United States
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on January 24, 2024, 08:55:00 AM
Well, to be fair...totalitarian states can cut out of society whatever it wants to...duh! 

And it should be no surprise to people to learn the demoscats envy the Chi-Com system...
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on January 25, 2024, 08:18:45 AM
WTF is this crap?

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/uk-piano-player-threatened-ccp-agents-filming-their-faces-public (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/uk-piano-player-threatened-ccp-agents-filming-their-faces-public)

You a-holes are not in communist China MFer!  What arrogant little bastards!  I would have told them to bugger off...and the Bobbies...really, they're useless...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on February 04, 2024, 09:29:45 PM


https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/46683
Chinese lead home ownership.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on February 05, 2024, 08:49:14 AM
Have you read the links on real estate collapse and loan implosion and eroding standard of living?

They have problems, and their solutions no different than anybody else's - stimulus and war.
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on February 05, 2024, 01:39:04 PM
Have you read the links on real estate collapse and loan implosion and eroding standard of living?

They have problems, and their solutions no different than anybody else's - stimulus and war.

Yes but I have been reading headlines like that for a long time. China may fall apart tomorrow or in 100 years.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on February 06, 2024, 08:01:42 AM
Have you read the links on real estate collapse and loan implosion and eroding standard of living?

They have problems, and their solutions no different than anybody else's - stimulus and war.

Yes but I have been reading headlines like that for a long time. China may fall apart tomorrow or in 100 years.

Same here, same in Europe, same a lot of places...just because the big collapse hasn't happened yet doesn't mean all is well...

And I still say in the end the Chi-Coms will see war as their answer...
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on February 07, 2024, 09:02:39 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/beijing-appoints-capital-markets-veteran-regulatory-chief-amid-stock-meltdown (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/beijing-appoints-capital-markets-veteran-regulatory-chief-amid-stock-meltdown)

https://youtu.be/NuAKnbIr6TE (https://youtu.be/NuAKnbIr6TE)
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on February 08, 2024, 12:01:54 PM
https://www.frontpagemag.com/chinese-hackers-had-access-to-critical-infrastructure-for-5-years/ (https://www.frontpagemag.com/chinese-hackers-had-access-to-critical-infrastructure-for-5-years/)

Here's an idea...KILL THEM!  Then fix our vulnerabilities, damnit!
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on February 20, 2024, 08:17:40 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ccp-tightens-exit-controls-amid-sharp-increase-citizens-fleeing-china (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ccp-tightens-exit-controls-amid-sharp-increase-citizens-fleeing-china)

Chi-Com's tightening exit controls...yeah...communism is like a prison...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on February 20, 2024, 06:54:10 PM
https://www.frontpagemag.com/chinese-hackers-had-access-to-critical-infrastructure-for-5-years/ (https://www.frontpagemag.com/chinese-hackers-had-access-to-critical-infrastructure-for-5-years/)

Here's an idea...KILL THEM!  Then fix our vulnerabilities, damnit!

The US DOJ went after SpaceX because they only hired US citizens. I am so old I remember when people having relatives behind the Iron Curtain could not get security clearances.
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on February 20, 2024, 07:03:25 PM

Plus a few Chinese nationals residing in China were subcontractors working on the OPM federal database with root access to every bit of data. Hugh Hewitt used to work there long ago. He said that included field notes of every top secret clearance investigation. So now the Chinese have the dirt on every such person.


BUT the CIA does not use OPM. This means that in a group of top feds, the one without an OPM record is CIA.

Then of course there was the top secret web site used to communicate with spies around the world. Iran broke the code somehow and shared it with China. Every US spy in China was exposed. Using the words of Garland Nixon, they checked into the Horizontal Hilton.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on February 28, 2024, 08:47:44 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/combatting-slavery-china (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/combatting-slavery-china)

Ahh, forced labor...the nirvana of every totalitarian regime...

Looking forward to Uyghurs to go full-intifada since the CCP already endorsed that violence as totally swell...

 ::pokeineye::   :D
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on March 04, 2024, 08:33:09 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/world-unprepared-fight-against-chinese-disinformation-around-elections-warns-analyst (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/world-unprepared-fight-against-chinese-disinformation-around-elections-warns-analyst)

Gosh I cannot imagine who the Chi-Com's would favor in America?

/

Bonus - I wonder who the corrupt institutions will persecute in the general election...

/
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on March 09, 2024, 06:33:28 PM
I have heard so many different things about this region. I heard that the Chinese were preventing western tourists to hide their genocide. I heard China had allowed tours and inspections by Islamic organizations. I heard the Chinese used slave labor to pick cotton. Then John Deere said it was all mechanized and US govt bans hurt their sales as their equipment to pick cotton was preferred.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/49367

US POLITICIANS  WANT TO STOP AMERICANS FROM VISITING XINJIANG AND SEEING THROUGH WESTERN LIES
Americans visiting Xinjiang can't find any evidence of the "Uyghur genocide" that according to US media is taking place in the region. What they encounter instead is the rich Uyghur culture, they enjoy Uyghur cuisine, music and dance shows, visit mosques where Uyghurs are free to worship, see different ethnic groups living in harmony, shopfronts with Chinese and Uyghur writing, they hear people speaking both languages everywhere they go. And when they return to the US they tell friends and family that what they see or read in the media are blatant lies. Obviously this is causing a headache to peddlers of the "genocide" narrative. 
So a bipartisan group of US legislators is pushing the State Department to escalate its travel advisory to Xinjiang to the highest risk level and make it impossible for travel agencies to offer tours to the region. This level of risk will de fact stop insurance companies from selling travel insurance to tourists and therefore halt US travel companies' work in the region.

In a letter to US Secretary of State Antony Blinken released on Thursday, the co-chairs of the Congressional-Executive Commission on China (CECC) said that “American citizens and permanent residents, companies, and other entities should be warned about the risk of enabling atrocity crimes if they participate in tourism to the XUAR”, referring to the Xinjiang Uygur autonomous region.

The commission’s leaders – Representative Chris Smith, Republican of New Jersey, and Senator Jeff Merkley, Democrat of Oregon – also sent letters to three US travel agencies to stop any tours to the region until conditions change. On their US websites, two of the companies, Wild Frontiers Adventure Travel and Geographic Expeditions, offer trips to Xinjiang cities, including Kashgar, as part of broader “silk road” tours.

The third, Abercrombie & Kent, offered tours to Tacheng in northern Xinjiang on its British website as of last week, but has since removed mention of them from the site. There are no mentions of Xinjiang tours on its US website.

In August 2023, Wild Frontiers – which along with the other two companies was named in a report about international travel agencies operating in Xinjiang by Washington's Uygur Human Rights Project – said it was conducting a “full investigation” of its tours. A company representative from Geographic Expeditions said that sending guests to a destination “is never meant as an endorsement of that government’s policies or practices” and rather an endorsement of travel being “a vital force for good around the globe”. Chinese embassy spokesperson Liu Pengyu said on Thursday that “the door to Xinjiang is always open”.
“We welcome people with no bias from all countries to visit Xinjiang,” he added. @LauraRuHK
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2024, 10:14:13 AM
Kinda like lumping Asian, Latino & light-skinned black murderers as "Caucasian" in crime stats...

The old "hide & lie"...

As opposed to this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-agrees-sign-bill-could-ban-tiktok-if-congress-passes-it (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-agrees-sign-bill-could-ban-tiktok-if-congress-passes-it)

...which is just a pure lie.
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on March 15, 2024, 03:56:21 PM


Brian is going into US interference in Thailand and Myanmar to cause problems for China by making messes around them.
US interferes in both govts and supports terrorists in Myanmar who kill anyone in uniform and teachers. He sums up around 30 min. US wants a civil war to disrupt a China built pipeline across Myanmar that allows oil to bypass the straights.

https://youtu.be/myoFh1sL9rw (https://youtu.be/myoFh1sL9rw)
US Uses Thai Proxies to Escalate Crisis in Myanmar, Creating Arc of Chaos on China's Borders

https://www.youtube.com/@TheNewAtlas/search?query=Myanmar (https://www.youtube.com/@TheNewAtlas/search?query=Myanmar)

Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on March 18, 2024, 08:32:39 AM
Snort!

Yeah, China, Thailand & Myanmar are a hot seething cauldron of geopolitical intrigue...

OK, I'll bite...I'll tale Thailand, the got legal weed.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on March 20, 2024, 09:02:23 AM
Of course the NY Slimes is riding on to the aid of the fricken Communist Chinese Masters!

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/new-york-times-after-years-appeasing-ccp-now-plans-attack-dissidents-us (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/new-york-times-after-years-appeasing-ccp-now-plans-attack-dissidents-us)

They should be charged with treason for aiding and abetting foreign communist despots in tyranny and oppression.
Title: Re: China
Post by: ToddF on March 20, 2024, 12:20:01 PM
What kind of garbage people would take it upon themselves to go after what is essentially a ballet company?
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on March 22, 2024, 04:12:58 PM


https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/01/10/think-tank-the-us-fleet-could-lose-four-aircraft-carriers-defending-taiwan/?sh=b007a302a371 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/01/10/think-tank-the-us-fleet-could-lose-four-aircraft-carriers-defending-taiwan/?sh=b007a302a371)

Even when the United States and Japan successfully defended Taiwan—as they did in most of CSIS’s 24 simulations—the Navy lost at least two carriers ... and sometimes as many as four.

And it happened fast. “Typically, the United States lost both forward-deployed carriers within the first turn or two,” CSIS analysts Mark Cancian, Matthew Cancian and Eric Heginbotham explained in their summary of the war games. A turn represented 3.5 days of fighting.

While the carriers were getting blasted by Chinese missiles, the Navy’s nuclear-powered attack submarines and the U.S. Air Force’s heavy bombers not only were dodging Chinese attacks for the most part, they also were managing to sink more than enough Chinese ships to win the war.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on March 27, 2024, 09:12:56 AM
These elitists are part of the problem, not the solution...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/chinas-xi-meets-us-ceos-including-blackstones-schwarzman-bid-restore-confidence (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/chinas-xi-meets-us-ceos-including-blackstones-schwarzman-bid-restore-confidence)

We need to end cooperation with China and begin focusing at home and seek domination over China...aka do unto them as they do unto us!

And that will only come with a 180 degree change in political leadership and a flushing of DeepState trash.
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on April 01, 2024, 02:13:36 PM
Spengler is pessimistic on US/Western future. Via vox Day.
https://voxday.net/2024/04/01/spengler-and-the-clowns-in-the-bunker/ (https://voxday.net/2024/04/01/spengler-and-the-clowns-in-the-bunker/)
Spengler and the Clowns in the Bunker

David Goldman, the Asia Times columnist formerly known as Spengler, was invited to an elite conclave of Clown Worlders to discuss the current state of their war with Russia. And if he is to be believed, there is no Plan B for Clown World:

Quote
Somewhere last weekend a few dozen former Cabinet members, senior military officers, academics and think tank analysts met to evaluate the world military situation. I can say that I haven’t been so scared since the fall of 1983, when I was a junior contract researcher doing odd jobs for then Special Assistant to the President Norman A Bailey at the National Security Council…

Russia’s economic resilience in the face of supposedly devastating sanctions is only one reflection of a great transformation of world trade. China’s exports to the Global South doubled during the past three years and China now exports more to the South than to developed markets. China’s unprecedented exporting success, in turn, stems from the rapid automation of Chinese industry, which now installs more industrial robots per year than the rest of the world combined.

This is evident, I added, in China’s newfound dominance in the world automotive market but it also has critical military implications. China claims that it has automated plants that can make 1,000 cruise missiles a day—not impossible given that it can manufacture 1,000 EVs a day, or thousands of 5G base stations.

The implication is that China can produce the equivalent of America’s inventory of 4,000 cruise missiles in a week while American defense contractors take years to assemble them by hand.
...

...
https://asiatimes.com/2024/03/america-has-no-ukraine-plan-b-except-more-war/ (https://asiatimes.com/2024/03/america-has-no-ukraine-plan-b-except-more-war/)

https://www.rt.com/news/595211-rheinmetall-eu-nato-protection/ (https://www.rt.com/news/595211-rheinmetall-eu-nato-protection/)
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on April 01, 2024, 09:23:34 PM
video clip. Geez.

https://t.me/myLordBebo/26953
🇨🇳??🚨 CRAZY: Chinese automated cruise missile production line.

?? The report states that the assembly, when working around the clock, can create up to 1000 rockets per day!
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on April 02, 2024, 08:25:49 AM
Links never work for me, and not joining...

So, just more stolen US tech?  How good are they?
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on April 02, 2024, 01:25:34 PM

I am sure China steals everything it can. This is a video clip of a robotic assembly line said to make up to 1000 cruise missiles  per day. They did not steal this as US has nothing close.
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on April 02, 2024, 01:36:42 PM
The start of the clip is said to be the making of the engines of the cruise and anti-ship missiles.


https://youtu.be/fIGrlpWPtfo
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on April 02, 2024, 04:42:16 PM
Yeah how much of that "capability" is bullsh*t?  1000+ hypersonics a day, yeah uhh, no.

But I do not doubt they are ramping up for war...they always have been...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on April 02, 2024, 07:29:42 PM
Yeah how much of that "capability" is bullsh*t?  1000+ hypersonics a day, yeah uhh, no.

But I do not doubt they are ramping up for war...they always have been...

I did not hear they were hypersonic. From previous videos the Chinese are rapid adopters of technology like AI and robots.
This video looks like the robot car assembly lines I have seen.

I read they can make lots of ships and are. How well they would fight is an open question. I recall there was some corruption in the rocket forces. Also in the metal used in ship hulls.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on April 03, 2024, 12:00:13 PM
Yeah how much of that "capability" is bullsh*t?  1000+ hypersonics a day, yeah uhh, no.

But I do not doubt they are ramping up for war...they always have been...

I did not hear they were hypersonic. From previous videos the Chinese are rapid adopters of technology like AI and robots.
This video looks like the robot car assembly lines I have seen.

I read they can make lots of ships and are. How well they would fight is an open question. I recall there was some corruption in the rocket forces. Also in the metal used in ship hulls.

I take a lot of grains of salt with anything coming out of socialist utopias...

I reckon we'll find out when the SHTF...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on April 03, 2024, 01:30:21 PM

For all I know the video of the rocket  or rocket motor making was an auto plant.
They rapidly adopt tech.
I saw one where they can track  the  movement of people through an entire large city on video with facial recognition or even gait analysis. From one camera to the next. Also through their cell phones. In real life people use smart phones for everything. Like paying. Cash is rarely used or credit cards

The ADVChina guys reported from China for maybe  decade. One guy jay walked. He said it was detected and he was given a fine which was taken from his bank account. One many stories. And that was over 10 years ago.

Here is HS RR map
(https://i.redd.it/o8iql8yiz7r91.png)

Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on April 04, 2024, 03:01:55 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/janet-yellen-arrives-china-high-stakes-economic-meetings (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/janet-yellen-arrives-china-high-stakes-economic-meetings)

...seems a pointless visit...unless they agree to start buying more of our worthless paper again...or slip some donations to FJB coffers via one the Biden shell companies...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on April 04, 2024, 03:29:24 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/janet-yellen-arrives-china-high-stakes-economic-meetings (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/janet-yellen-arrives-china-high-stakes-economic-meetings)

...seems a pointless visit...unless they agree to start buying more of our worthless paper again...or slip some donations to FJB coffers via one the Biden shell companies...

The Chinese will send  no one to meet her and make her take public transport to the meetings.
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on April 04, 2024, 03:36:48 PM


China is building its belt and road. I remember when the US used to build things like  transcontinental RR. Erie Canal. Panama canal.
Dams. It took 30 years and an act of congress to build a new bridge at Stillwater

Now China builds stuff.

The US responds by messing with China since we can no longer build stuff. I read current USN ship building is years behind schedule.

US is backing terrorists to kill Chinese working on Pakistan power plants, dams, and ports.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFb5NxuLHdI&t=1115s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFb5NxuLHdI&t=1115s)
 Terrorists Target China-Pakistan Projects & the US Role Backing Separatists
The New Atlas
257K subscribers

   
 
28,457 views  Apr 3, 2024
- China’s Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) is being countered by the United States not through competing infrastructure projects but through a global-spanning campaign of subversion, sabotage, and terrorism;

- The China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) has been hit particularly hard by US-backed terrorism for years including open US government efforts to carve off Baluchistan province from Pakistan to deny CPEC a terminal port at Gwadar;

- Between 2011-2012 US government officials openly called for an “independent” Baluchistan while pumping money through the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) into opposition groups including media and so-called “human rights” organizations; 

- US-backed separatists have since regularly targeted Chinese engineers and their Pakistani counterparts and Pakistani security with armed violence;

Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on April 05, 2024, 07:55:43 AM
Gosh, why do they build stuff, including their military?

WE GIVE THEM OUR MONEY LIKE IDIOTS!!!
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on April 05, 2024, 01:09:01 PM


China is a bunch of greedy merchants, traders, hustlers and always have been. China spends money to make even  more money. The Us spends money on military to lose money. There was a saying that the Chinese succeed everywhere but China. Now they succeed in China.

I notice that the US spends money to interfere with Chinese projects instead of doing our own projects broad. It has a bad look. The Chinese projects are not charitable but neither was the Panama Canal. At least it had a benefit.
I heard that the US tried to interfere with a Laos HS RR. US is now interfering with a China built oil pipeline across Malaysia and a BRI port in Pakistan by funding separatists.
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on April 08, 2024, 12:31:59 PM

I posted a video of alleged China production of cruise missiles or cru9use missile engines.

https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1777012736821518677
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GKk3qgpXkAErLqT?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on April 08, 2024, 12:51:33 PM

https://t.me/IntelRepublic/36116
🇨🇳🇷🇺🇺🇸 FOR 1ST TIME, WASHINGTON THREATENS CHINA BANKS WITH SANCTIONS for "supporting Russia" - Biden's Treasury Hag Yellen (https://t.me/IntelRepublic/34548) delivers warning in above video, at same time Russian FM Lavrov is in Beijing (https://t.me/IntelRepublic/36101) on a diplomatic visit.

I stressed that companies, including those in China, must not provide material support for Russia's war, and that they will face significant consequences if they do. Any banks that facilitate significant transactions that channel military or dual-use goods to Russia's defense industrial base exposes themselves to the risk of U.S. sanctions - Yellen.

China responds, declaring it controls export of dual-use goods by law and regulations.

Relevant countries should not denigrate or attack the normal state relations between China and Russia. Cooperation should not be restricted - Chinese Foreign Ministry.
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on April 08, 2024, 01:09:12 PM


https://t.me/EurasianChoice/36483
EU fears China ‘gun cotton’ reliance will harm Ukraine military supplies — FT

European defense contractors are concerned Beijing may threaten their supply of cotton linters - a key ingredient of nitrocellulose, used to make artillery shells and explosives - for geopolitical reasons.

According to a Financial Times report, 70% of Europe’s cotton linten is sourced from China, and Sweden’s leading arms manufacturer Saab fears for the continent’s “ammunition ecosystem.”

The group’s chief Micael Johansson stressed the need to build new supply chains in a “multipolar world” where “not only the Western rules-based order will be present.”
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on April 12, 2024, 10:00:10 AM
Pouty Panda....no longer able to use business to feed their military machine...forced to fend for themselves...

https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/intel-amd-slide-after-beijing-tells-telecoms-phase-out-foreign-chips (https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/intel-amd-slide-after-beijing-tells-telecoms-phase-out-foreign-chips)

...yeah, that newfound "independence" could not happen without reverse-engineering what we stupidly have already sold them...so instead of reverse-engineering solely for military applications, they now have to do it for domestic use...

Yeah, boo fricken hoo...   ::mooning::
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on April 15, 2024, 06:29:42 PM

https://t.me/ZradaXXII/32891
The highest-ranking official who met German Chancellor Olaf Scholz at the airport during a three-day visit to China was the deputy mayor of Chongqing
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on April 16, 2024, 08:07:31 AM
A real German would have told this minor fop of a bureaucrat to go screw himself and returned to his plane and left...

So sad...
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on April 16, 2024, 08:58:33 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/watch-live-house-subcommittee-reveals-chinese-govt-involvement-americas-fentanyl-crisis (https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/watch-live-house-subcommittee-reveals-chinese-govt-involvement-americas-fentanyl-crisis)

Blah blah blah...and we can't do anything to stop it cause we're ankle-grabbing wusses...blah blah blah...

 ::outrage::
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on April 23, 2024, 12:19:54 PM


The threatened China sanctions are not due to Russia trade but fear of alt finance systems to be set up.
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on April 24, 2024, 03:05:32 PM


I will try to find another source. I had heard this but no source. It was  famous FBI whistle blower. A high class beauty BTW Simon Edmonds. I recall she wrote a book.
In short, the US trained Uighur terrorists and sent them back to China This is the source of the story.

https://t.me/myLordBebo/28959?comment=233573
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on April 24, 2024, 03:25:13 PM


The threatened China sanctions are not due to Russia trade but fear of alt finance systems to be set up.

Makes no sense...the latter can happen and will happen, nothing can stop it...what they want to stop is Chi-Com feeding of the Russian war machine...which cannot be much easier a task...

Basically the FJB Baboons are flashing their engorged hindquarters in a futile display of butthurt that is going to go nowhere...
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on April 24, 2024, 03:30:20 PM


I will try to find another source. I had heard this but no source. It was  famous FBI whistle blower. A high class beauty BTW Simon Edmonds. I recall she wrote a book.
In short, the US trained Uighur terrorists and sent them back to China This is the source of the story.

https://t.me/myLordBebo/28959?comment=233573

Obviously even if true...that would have been sanctioned by the adjudicated liar and sexual predator Bill "Slick Willie" Clinton aka William Blythe...

And is Sibel really a "whistleblower" or was she hired to blow something else?  Because what does the FBI have to do with an obviously CIA-led kind of operation?

 ::laughonfloor::
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on April 24, 2024, 03:54:56 PM


I will try to find another source. I had heard this but no source. It was  famous FBI whistle blower. A high class beauty BTW Simon Edmonds. I recall she wrote a book.
In short, the US trained Uighur terrorists and sent them back to China This is the source of the story.

https://t.me/myLordBebo/28959?comment=233573 (https://t.me/myLordBebo/28959?comment=233573)

Obviously even if true...that would have been sanctioned by the adjudicated liar and sexual predator Bill "Slick Willie" Clinton aka William Blythe...

And is Sibel really a "whistleblower" or was she hired to blow something else?  Because what does the FBI have to do with an obviously CIA-led kind of operation?

 ::laughonfloor::

I do not know. I had heard about the Uighurs but no written source and I thought they were paid by Saudis
They were killing govt officials and blowing up govt buildings in western China which triggered the Chinese govt.
I think she worked as a govt translator and heard a lot.

update she was asked to infiltrate a few international groups which turned out to be criminal but somehow involved with US govt.


https://www.amazon.com/Classified-Woman-Sibel-Edmonds-Story/dp/0615602223 (https://www.amazon.com/Classified-Woman-Sibel-Edmonds-Story/dp/0615602223)
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/G/01/apparel/rcxgs/tile._CB483369110_.gif)

Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on April 25, 2024, 08:37:51 AM


I will try to find another source. I had heard this but no source. It was  famous FBI whistle blower. A high class beauty BTW Simon Edmonds. I recall she wrote a book.
In short, the US trained Uighur terrorists and sent them back to China This is the source of the story.

https://t.me/myLordBebo/28959?comment=233573 (https://t.me/myLordBebo/28959?comment=233573)

Obviously even if true...that would have been sanctioned by the adjudicated liar and sexual predator Bill "Slick Willie" Clinton aka William Blythe...

And is Sibel really a "whistleblower" or was she hired to blow something else?  Because what does the FBI have to do with an obviously CIA-led kind of operation?

 ::laughonfloor::

I do not know. I had heard about the Uighurs but no written source and I thought they were paid by Saudis
They were killing govt officials and blowing up govt buildings in western China which triggered the Chinese govt.
I think she worked as a govt translator and heard a lot.

update she was asked to infiltrate a few international groups which turned out to be criminal but somehow involved with US govt.


https://www.amazon.com/Classified-Woman-Sibel-Edmonds-Story/dp/0615602223 (https://www.amazon.com/Classified-Woman-Sibel-Edmonds-Story/dp/0615602223)
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/G/01/apparel/rcxgs/tile._CB483369110_.gif)

Like the CIA and the Golden Triangle...

Hard to live off Congressional scraps ya know...thugs gotta fund the thug life...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on April 29, 2024, 06:07:24 PM

China holds 800 B Us trearuries, same as in 2010. down from peak of 1,300 B.
https://t.me/EurasianChoice/37120
🇨🇳💰Why is China dumping US Treasuries for gold? 
 
China’s holdings of US Treasury bonds plunged by $22.7 billion in February to $775 billion, according to data released by the US Treasury Department last week. This is not an isolated development. Over the past decade, China has dumped 40% of its US Treasury holdings. Here's what you need to know:   
 
??China has been divesting itself of US debt for several years, with its investment in the latter hitting a 14-year low in Oct 2023. 
 
??China is minimizing its exposure to the US dollar, seeing how US has weaponized the greenback by freezing and now threatening to confiscate the Russian Central Bank's financial assets.   
 
??Instead, China is stockpiling gold, a reserve asset with no counterparty risk. Its gold reserve now stands at 2,235 tons, just a 100-ton shy of Russia’s, according to World Gold Council.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on April 30, 2024, 09:27:42 AM
Yah, been documenting the crap out of central banks around the globe buying gold and demanding deposits in NYC (Germany most recently) so they can be held back at home.  Though in Germany's case it seems pointless...eventually wind up in New Caliphate hands or Rus hands...but, whatever...
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on May 08, 2024, 09:22:02 AM
Butthurt little panda still carrying a grudge...

"This we should never forget. The Chinese people cherish peace, but we will never allow such tragic history to repeat itself,"
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinas-xi-serbia-says-never-forget-unprecedented-us-atrocity (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinas-xi-serbia-says-never-forget-unprecedented-us-atrocity)

Hey asshole?  How's the Uyghur atrocity going for ya?

Jackass just proved two points - 1) He lumps all American's into Clinton's guilt and 2) lusts like a MFer for blood.

This we should never forget!  So, all Chinese bear Xi's sins (and everybody's going back to that POS Mao!) and lusting for their demise is OK.
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on May 08, 2024, 05:44:54 PM

Chinese love wavng this bloody shirt. I recall the bombing was an accident.
Title: Re: China
Post by: benb61 on May 09, 2024, 10:30:24 AM

Chinese love wavng this bloody shirt. I recall the bombing was an accident.

Was it??
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on May 09, 2024, 10:58:36 AM

Chinese love wavng this bloody shirt. I recall the bombing was an accident.

Was it??

I would guess so. US said they bombed the building but said their map was wrong. Said they did not know the embassy was there.
I cannot see any advantage to US bombing the Chinese embassy.
The ADVChina guys said that the Chinese govt would run anti Japanese WWII movies to pull people together.
The Japs were cartoonish and very evil.
I think they milk the embassy bombing for all it is worth.
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on May 09, 2024, 11:12:33 AM

This guy cites sources saying it was deliberate. Says Chinese were rebroadcasting some stuff for Serbia.
Some US intel guy said the 'mistake' excuse was a lie.
https://youtu.be/MILgSmiBLA8


Ben Norton is a dim bulb. I recall he left the Grayzone after he fell for lots of covid BS but they did not.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on May 09, 2024, 12:33:21 PM
Yeah, intentional, mistake...don't care...that was Clinton's war, the left's war...not mine...Xi can stick his bloody shirt up his arse!

That smirking little imp is as corrupt and maniacal as any dictator...

Flush him and another turd rises...

 ::cussing::  China
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on May 09, 2024, 02:17:47 PM


https://t.me/geopolitics_live/23287
Why did CIA aim ‘smart bombs’ at China’s embassy in Belgrade in 1999?

The visit of China’s President Xi Jinping to Serbia coincided with the 25th anniversary of the infamous destruction of China’s embassy in Belgrade by US “smart bombs” on May 7, 1999.

By mentioning this tragedy in his article for daily newspaper Politika on the day of his arrival, Xi made the date of his visit a snub to the US.

“25 years ago, on May 7, 1999, NATO flagrantly bombed the Chinese embassy in Yugoslavia, killing three Chinese journalists – Ms. Shao Yunhuan, Mr. Xu Xinghu and his wife Zhu Ying.”

“This we should never forget,” Xi wrote in his article. The Chinese foreign ministry called the bombing “a barbaric crime” which China will never allow to be repeated.

Two bombs hit the embassy, killing 20 people — three of whom were Chinese nationals. The bombs were dropped by a US Air Force bomber on a mission from its base in Missouri. They were GPS-guided precision bombs, the “margin of error” of which was limited to 13 meters.

The US called the destructive hit “an accident,” insisting its aircraft was actually targeting Yugoimport, an office of Yugoslav government located 440 meters away. Later, in July 1999, then CIA Director George Tenet acknowledged that the bombing was the only one of the war organized by his agency. He claimed that the crew was given the wrong coordinates for some reason.

China did not accept that version of events, saying the bombing could only be deliberate. Russia shared that view, also doubting the US explanation.

On October 17, 1999, British newspaper The Observer published an article stating that the bombing was deliberate. Two subsequent stories in The Observer and Danish newspaper Politiken cited evidence that the US and NATO had deliberately “punished” China for its “help” for Yugoslav leaders. The real reason, Beijing continues to asset, was China’s opposition to NATO’s war against Yugoslavia.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on May 09, 2024, 02:44:28 PM
So?
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on May 13, 2024, 08:33:07 AM
It has long been understood that most financial data provided by the Chinese government is propaganda designed to misrepresent the country's true economic circumstances.  At best, their statistics provide half the truth and the rest has to be discerned through deeper investigation.  When systemic crisis events take place in China it usually comes as a shock to much of the world exactly because they expend considerable resources in order to hide instability behind a thin veneer of fabricated progress.

The biggest story in China in the new millennia has been nation's debt explosion.  China's debt-to-GDP ratio is currently estimated at nearly 300% (official numbers), with most of the liabilities accrued in the past 15 years.  Chinese debt spending accelerated in part because of the global credit crash of 2008, but a lesser known factor is their entry into the IMF's Special Drawing Rights basket.  The process started around 2011 and the IMF requires any prospective applicant to take on a wide array of debt instruments before they can be added to the global currency mechanism.

By the time of China's official inclusion in the SDR in 2016 they had nearly doubled their national debt.  After 2016 debt levels skyrocketed.

The debt problem is harder to quantify in China because of their communist structure posing as a free market structure.  Corporate debt in China has to be included into the national debt picture because of state funded enterprises and the level of government investment in property and industry. 

It is here where we find the most blatant warning signs of deflationary crisis, particularly in property markets and infrastructure development.  The CCP has put a "great information wall" in place to prevent accurate data from leaving the country, but some reports on China's failing infrastructure still escape.  China's export market is crumbling in the past year, in large part because western consumers are tapped out due to inflation. However, what they prefer not to mention is the damage they did to themselves after three years of near constant covid lockdowns.  This destroyed their retail sector and things have only grown worse since.

Then there is the real estate market which has suffered extreme deflation over the past decade, with a larger drop expected in the next year.  China deliberately popped the housing market bubble as a means to disrupt what officials considered out of control speculation.  This led to the now famous "ghost towns" dotting the Chinese landscape; thousands of neighborhoods and high rises left unfinished and empty after development companies went bankrupt

One of the more disturbing trends in China, though, is the effort to use large infrastructure projects to hide the nation's deflationary decline.  China's propaganda machine is pervasive across the world and most people in the west assume  that China is on the cutting edge of progress because of videos on social media.  In reality, the Chinese have been building cheaply constructed and poorly designed false-front landmarks that look technologically impressive on the surface but fall apart in a matter of months.

China is planning another 1 trillion Yuan ($137 billion) in infrastructure projects in 2024 alone, but the debt cycle and the deflationary spiral seem to be catching up with them.  The IMF claims that China's economy has stumbled but is "unlikely to fall", yet, with their global exports falling, property markets plunging and consumer activity in decline it's hard to see how they can continue without a depression-like event in the near future.

Such self-inflicted wounds would normally cue up the typical  ::smallestviolin:: epitaph.

However, when totalitarian outfits see doom approaching (and deep party insiders know...some may not survive the message relay phase...which will reinforce impulses to pass along optimistic fantasies, but they know) they tend to resort to military adventurism to improve or at least lengthen thier prospects to remain in power...

So, looks like my warnings to Taiwan and other Pacific neighbors remains totally viable.
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on May 13, 2024, 11:00:11 AM
This stuff is over my head mostly.
I wonder how much of the debt is in infrastructure likely to pay back money? Housing does not count IMO.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on May 15, 2024, 08:46:05 AM
This stuff is over my head mostly.
I wonder how much of the debt is in infrastructure likely to pay back money? Housing does not count IMO.

Payback?  Ha haaa!  This is communism!

In April's politburo meeting, the Chinese government's newfound focus on an oversupplied housing market was setting the stage to usher in new rescue policies to stabilize the economy. Weeks later, Bloomberg reported that the government was considering a plan for local governments to purchase millions of unsold homes to clear the excess supply.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-mulls-buying-unsold-homes-bottom-ailing-property-market (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-mulls-buying-unsold-homes-bottom-ailing-property-market)

In the West we monetize debt...in Communist China they do some of that too, but now they want local government (still communists!) to monetize housing construction...

 ::laughonfloor::

And this money will come from...? 

Debt on the books of State (still communist!) banks...to the tune of 7 trillion Yuan!

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on May 17, 2024, 09:18:26 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/pboc-unveils-42-billion-monetary-cannon-boost-debt-stricken-housing-market (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/pboc-unveils-42-billion-monetary-cannon-boost-debt-stricken-housing-market)

 ::hysterical::

Lighting Yuan on fire isn't going to solve things, it's a temporary plug in the cracked dam at best.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on May 21, 2024, 09:09:32 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/asml-chip-machines-taiwan-have-kill-switch-event-chinese-invasion (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/asml-chip-machines-taiwan-have-kill-switch-event-chinese-invasion)

Good!  If the Chi-Com's invade and successfully occupy Taiwan...they should reap none of the rewards!

 ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on May 25, 2024, 04:47:32 PM


I imagine this has been going on for a long time but I never noticed.
US doctrine is to weaken upcoming countries like Russia and China by causing trouble for allies and neighbors.
How does that benefit people in the US?
In this case US is funding armed groups in Myanmar via NGOs.
US is doing the same thing in SW Pakistan to mess up the China belt and road. Killing Chinese engineers.  This helps me how?

https://journal-neo.su/2024/05/07/washingtons-proxy-war-in-myanmar-continues-along-chinas-borders/
Washington’s Proxy War in Myanmar Continues Along China’s Borders

Overshadowed by ongoing fighting in Eastern Europe and the Middle East as well as growing tensions between the US and China, the ongoing conflict in Myanmar nonetheless constitutes a critical component of what is a larger global conflict.

Depicted by Western governments and Western media as an isolated, internal conflict between a “military dictatorship” and the forces of “democracy,” in actuality the conflict represents decades of Anglo-American attempts to reassert Western control over the former British colony.

Much of the fighting is taking place between the central government and armed ethnic groups that had at one point been a part of the British Empire’s occupation force, utilized by the US and UK during World War 2 against the Japanese, and used ever since to disrupt Myanmar’s ambitions for independence and self-determination.

Alongside these armed ethnic groups, the US has constructed a parallel political establishment, eventually installed into power through compromised elections in 2020.

In 2021, Myanmar’s military removed from power the US client regime headed by Aung San Suu Kyi, advised by literal British and Australian citizens, and supported by a collection of US government-funded and backed political organizations, media platforms, and educational institutions both within and beyond Myanmar’s borders. The US has been semi-covertly backing attempts by the ousted regime to retake power through armed violence ever since.

Psychological Warfare Aims to Break Central Government Resolve

The fighting has continued mainly along Myanmar’s frontiers, regions that have hosted US-backed armed ethnic groups pursuing separatism for decades, but also at times and to a lesser degree, inside some of Myanmar’s urban centers.

While the US-backed opposition has failed to oust the central government or even significantly threaten it militarily, Western governments and the Western media have attempted to pass off temporary (and eventually reversed) gains as an impending opposition victory. Opposition strikes on central government and military facilities, including in the nation’s capital have also been passed off as growing opposition competence.

The Diplomat in its May 1, 2024 article, “Myanmar’s Revolution Has Entered a New, More Complicated Phase,” claimed:

    Naypyidaw, the capital, has also come under unprecedented attack. In early April, a dozen resistance drones breached the city’s defenses and attacked military facilities across the sprawling city. Days later opposition forces fired several rocket attacks which hit a junta airbase next to Naypyidaw’s International Airport.

    Zachary Abuza, a professor at the National War College in Washington, D.C. who focuses on politics and security in Southeast Asia, said that the attack on the capital will have dented the junta’s morale.

    “The drone and rocket attacks on Naypyidaw have caused little physical damage or casualties, but they have caused psychological damage; it is their fortress capital, and the physical manifestation of the bubble that the generals live in,” he said. “Attacks in Naypyidaw are meant to show that there is no place where the generals are safe.”

The very fact that Myanamr’s US-backed opposition must rely on symbolic gestures indicates its military deficiencies.

A similar strategy is being used by US-NATO-backed Ukraine. Missile and drone strikes are carried out against targets deep in Russian territory primarily to generate headlines for a proxy war Washington, London, and Brussels are otherwise decisively losing.

It is a strategy also used throughout the US proxy war in Syria from 2011 onward, with attempts to create psychological momentum designed to panic Damascus and its allies into breaking and fleeing. It too failed.

Another US Proxy War

US support for the opposition is a full spectrum. Political, media, and militant groups receive huge sums of money and support from the US government through the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) and United States Agency for International Development (USAID).

Weapons and military training are provided by Americans and Europeans working with “humanitarian aid and advocacy organization” like the “Free Burma Rangers,” headed by a US Army veteran revealed to be in direct contact with the US Consulate in Chiang Mai in neighboring Thailand, according to US diplomatic cables published by Wikileaks.

Despite the flow of resources into Myanmar’s opposition, the nature of post-colonial Myanmar constitutes vicious ethnic, religious, and political divides, meaning opposition forces are just as likely to fight with one another as they are the central government.

See-Sawing Battles

At the moment, the fighting remains stagnant despite headline-grabbing developments like the opposition’s seizure of the town of Myawaddy along the Myanmar-Thailand border. The New York Times reported the capture of the town by opposition fighters in an April 12, 2024 article titled, “Myanmar Rebels Take Key Trading Town, but Counteroffensive Looms.”

By April 24, 2024, less than two weeks later, the New York Times would publish an article titled, “Myanmar’s Junta Recaptures Town That Was a Significant Gain for Rebels.”

The see-sawing nature of the fighting is depicted by the Western media and the Western officials and analysts they interview as a sea change in the opposition’s favor, however Myanmar’s post-colonial history has consisted of decades of such fighting, including the changing of hands of various towns and cities along the edges of the central government’s control.

Just as the opposition is using drones and rockets to symbolically strike at key government and military facilities because they lack the military means to actually threaten them, it is taking vulnerable frontier towns and cities where government forces are spread out thinnest precisely because of its inability to fight and defeat Myanmar’s forces in pitched battles.

Target China

While ultimately the US seeks to re-install its client regime into power in Myanmar, preventing peace and development in Myanmar is a secondary objective.

The Southeast Asian country serves as an important partner for China’s Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) which includes a port and hydrocarbons pipeline running the length of the country to China’s Kunming region. This allows China to move hydrocarbons from the Middle East to China without transiting the Strait of Malacca and other waters that could potentially be blockaded by the US’ growing military presence in the Asia-Pacific region.

China’s BRI infrastructure has been repeatedly targeted by the US-backed militancy several times since 2021 as have Chinese businesses operating across Myanmar. Far from a battle between “democracy” and “dictatorship,” the conflict instead is one part of a much wider strategy of encirclement and containment by the United States of China stretching back to the end of World War 2. The US seeks to either control or destabilize nations along China’s periphery either creating US client regimes hostile to Beijing, or security crises along China’s border preventing trade, development, and economic growth of China itself.


An Ambiguous End Game

The final conclusion of Myanmar’s current conflict is far from clear.

While similar fighting has ebbed and flowed for decades, always ending in the central government’s favor, there are several factors that will determine whether or not this cycle will continue. While Myanmar’s military possesses resources and capabilities beyond the reach of the US-backed militants it is fighting, the ability and will to use them effectively is up to Myanmar’s central political and military leadership.

In terms of the opposition, among the many weaknesses of US-backed armed groups is their inability to work together with other ethnic and political fronts the US is sponsoring. Just as was the case in Syria, while at times the central government was overwhelmed by large numbers of militant operations across the country, the inability to coordinate them allowed government forces to defeat in detail each organization involved before moving on to the next.

A similar strategy appears to be in use by Myanmar’s military. Government forces withdraw where they are stretched, then return in force when resources can be redeployed effectively against opposition deployments. That the opposition is essentially engaged in “hit-and-run” operations exploiting gaps in the central government’s force deployments demonstrates a fundamental weakness requiring asymmetrical strategy and tactics.

Unless the opposition acquires more manpower and resources and/or can coordinate better among themselves, it is unlikely they will get the upper-hand over the central government, barring a fundamental mistake made by the government itself.

Of course, much depends on the wider global conflict the fighting in Myanmar fits into. With the US losing its proxy war in Ukraine, its influence eroding in the Middle East, and the disparity between a rising China and a waning United States continues to grow, Washington’s ability to sustain support for opposition groups within and beyond Myanmar’s borders may come into question. Should that happen, the cycle of deadly, destructive fighting debilitating Myanmar’s development as a nation for decades could begin coming to an end.

The above-mentioned Diplomat article would note the inability of opposition groups to work together.

It cited Aung Thu Nyein, director of the US government-affiliated “Institute for Strategy and Policy Myanmar” based in Chiang Mai, Thailand, saying:

    Aung Thu Nyein says that the coming phase of the war could be tricky, and that more junta defeats could paradoxically divide the country further. He says the NUG remains popular in Myanmar among the general population but some of the ethnic groups are moving away from its leadership, forging their own paths and pursuing their own political agendas.

    “The problem is a common agenda against the common enemy and building an alliance to fight together,” he said. But “the ethnic armed organizations can’t do that, and the National Unity Government can’t lead that.”

This means that even if the US-backed opposition was successful in ousting the central government and military, Myanmar itself would only descend further into chaos. The central government stands the only real chance of unifying the nation and moving it forward together with the rest of a rising Asia, but only if US-sponsored subversion and militancy ends or is successfully overcome.

Just as is the case with Eastern Europe, the Middle East and elsewhere in the Asia-Pacific region, Myanmar’s fighting is among an array of conflicts presented to the general public as spontaneous, unrelated crises the US must respond to, when in reality it is the US primarily driving them all, and all in order to preserve its ability to determine the outcome of regions around the world rather than the people actually living in these regions themselves.

The outcome of Myanmar’s ongoing fighting depends largely on the rest of the world’s ongoing efforts to either aid and abet US hegemony, or confront, oppose, and ultimately dismantle it. Until then, Myanmar’s fate remains suspended in perpetual armed conflict.

 
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on May 28, 2024, 08:36:37 AM
I don't GAFF about the other idiots, Russia wants to whore around with scum like China & Iran, that's their tough sh*t...China is the number one menace on the globe, nothing they do benefits others...all is funneled to fund their military, keep the commies in power and fuel their schemes to dominate the globe...

The corrupt compromised criminal enterprise known as the Biden Administration does nothing to check China and everything to make them and their allies more powerful...
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on June 05, 2024, 08:13:17 AM
Just the kind of government demonazis long for here...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/lest-we-forget-tiananmen-square-massacre-day-1989 (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/lest-we-forget-tiananmen-square-massacre-day-1989)
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on June 11, 2024, 08:33:45 AM
Four American college instructors from a small Iowa college were stabbed in broad daylight during a teaching trip to China, highlighting the increasing dangers abroad amid rising Sino-US tensions. Beijing says the incident was "isolated," and foreigners are safe there.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/four-american-educators-stabbed-china (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/four-american-educators-stabbed-china)

Isolated...

Bullsh*t!  Who stirs the people?  Who controls every single bit of information in the People's fricken Republic?  THE COMMUNIST PARTY.

 ::vafancoul::
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on June 11, 2024, 11:15:31 AM

It could have been some govt xenophobia campaign got out of control. Also some times men who lost out on life will act out. No school shootings by students in China but such men may attack children in a school with a knife. ADVChina guys described both while in China.  They described some guy upset over his  medical procedure done next door to them. He stabbed and killed 8 nurses. It did not make the news there.
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on June 20, 2024, 02:05:15 PM


In short, the Chinese BYD EV will out compete all others real quick.
UBS bought EVs and had them taken apart.

https://youtu.be/QgmDiWfZJcI (https://youtu.be/QgmDiWfZJcI)
UBS hired engineers to tear apart and analyze BYD's electric car. Here is what they learned.
UBS launched a project that would tear down and study electric vehicles from suppliers around the world.  In September of 2023, they took apart the Seal, a high-tech offering from BYD that is aimed at the mass market.

Their findings are bad news for legacy carmakers, especially in Europe.

UBS, Will Chinese EV's win globally?
https://www.ubs.com/global/en/investment-bank/in-focus/2023/byd-teardown.html (https://www.ubs.com/global/en/investment-bank/in-focus/2023/byd-teardown.html)
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on June 24, 2024, 09:42:19 AM

It could have been some govt xenophobia campaign got out of control. Also some times men who lost out on life will act out. No school shootings by students in China but such men may attack children in a school with a knife. ADVChina guys described both while in China.  They described some guy upset over his  medical procedure done next door to them. He stabbed and killed 8 nurses. It did not make the news there.

People's Paradise...

Orwellian to the max...

Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on June 24, 2024, 09:44:07 AM


In short, the Chinese BYD EV will out compete all others real quick.
UBS bought EVs and had them taken apart.

https://youtu.be/QgmDiWfZJcI (https://youtu.be/QgmDiWfZJcI)
UBS hired engineers to tear apart and analyze BYD's electric car. Here is what they learned.
UBS launched a project that would tear down and study electric vehicles from suppliers around the world.  In September of 2023, they took apart the Seal, a high-tech offering from BYD that is aimed at the mass market.

Their findings are bad news for legacy carmakers, especially in Europe.

UBS, Will Chinese EV's win globally?
https://www.ubs.com/global/en/investment-bank/in-focus/2023/byd-teardown.html (https://www.ubs.com/global/en/investment-bank/in-focus/2023/byd-teardown.html)

I could really not GAFF...don't want our socialist subsidized on the taxpayer back made green sh!t or stinking Chi-Com green sh!t!  I will not tolerate any sh!t!

Let Eurotards buy that trash...   ::mooning::
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on June 25, 2024, 08:57:29 PM
South America trades more with China than with US and EU combined.

https://youtu.be/11imbBNccFk
 How the US lost the trade war in South America: giant deficits in trade, leadership, and character
Inside China Business
37.5K subscribers


34,638 views  Jan 31, 2024
The United States runs chronic trade deficits and fiscal deficits of billions of dollars, every day.  China runs trade surpluses of billions of dollars, every day.

Over time, these surpluses become giant pools of capital that can be either returned to China and invested here, or directed into new opportunities abroad.

Also over time, America's deficits reduce opportunities, both abroad and at home.

China is investing hundreds of billions of dollars into Latin America, forming strategic relationships and business partnerships at all stages of South American supply chains and consumer markets.  Meanwhile, western countries are fiscally exhausted, unable even to pay for domestic spending.

The financial and economic realities are stark.  Just as severe is the crisis of confidence, and the failure of America's leaders and our people to turn the tide, to remember our legacy and promise.  Until that happens, expect more of these country maps to turn red.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on June 26, 2024, 08:15:40 AM
That's OK...

If the current disastrous US regime is sacked, we do a 180 and be smart instead of stupid and become energy and industrially independent...

Then we can say screw the rest of the world...
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on June 26, 2024, 01:00:52 PM
Yeah, as always...toxic products always seem to come from one nation...

https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/21-million-miniverse-toy-sets-recalled-over-potentially-hazardous-resins-5675449?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=TheLibertyDaily (https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/21-million-miniverse-toy-sets-recalled-over-potentially-hazardous-resins-5675449?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=TheLibertyDaily)

China sucks, sure...but time to punish the American companies profiting off of cheap commie labor to get hammered in lawsuits!
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on June 26, 2024, 05:41:07 PM

One video of many from this guy and how China is kicking our butt or soon will.

https://youtu.be/M9d-o0uPE9I
Western chip sanctions guaranteed to fail as thousands of top Chinese scientists return home
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on June 26, 2024, 06:39:29 PM

More of the same. This video is VERY good.
https://youtu.be/z4vSkyNqtuU
Why doesn't Apple make iPhones in the US? Because China will not allow it.

The photo at 6 min of the 1985 city across from HK has been seen before. A 30K pop village Shenzhen now the most high tech in the world with 17 M people.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on June 27, 2024, 08:06:30 AM
Apple should be kicked out of America or cut ties to commies, period.

And China may pull it's overseas operatives back home...but if they want to keep what they earn and enjoy a umm, freer life...

(https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/inline-images/MillionaireMigration_SIte.jpg)

https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/mapping-global-millionaire-migration-patterns-2024 (https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/mapping-global-millionaire-migration-patterns-2024)

...they'll stay or find another haven rather than go back to the People's Nightmare!

And, we have to see the developments in the food wars, we grow/raise food...China is always a buyer...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on June 28, 2024, 04:12:45 PM

https://youtu.be/cMYDrtGgmtQ (https://youtu.be/cMYDrtGgmtQ)
 Welcome to Inside China Business
Inside China Business
38.3K subscribers

   
   

   
 

   
   
Intro to this channel. Former US military and worked for investment banks now apparently does portfolio analysis. Strait shooter.
He says to donate to some religious (Christian?) org rather than to him.
   
 
44,777 views  May 22, 2024
Introduction to our channel with content for:  supply chain, Chinese infrastructure, Belt and Road Initiative, de-dollarization, BRICS, FDI, FX, Bitcoin, gold, tariffs.

Ministry in Nepal: 
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?... (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?...)
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on June 28, 2024, 11:39:20 PM

This portfolio manager guy again. We are screwed. 10 min long



https://youtu.be/wShNPV-Yjbs
How China leaped 15 years ahead of the world in nuclear power: the same way as in everything else
...
China is now without peer in the nuclear power generation industry, after employing a whole-of-government strategy, vast financing at low cost, supply chain dominance, and coordination of university research.

This from a comprehensive analysis of China's rise in nuclear power, from a non-entity just 30 years ago to the undisputed world leader, and now about 15 years ahead of the United States and Europe. 

The same strategies and efforts that China used to dominate nuclear power is identical to the ones used in dozens of other industries, and with the same results.

Resources and links:
...

Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on June 29, 2024, 10:55:56 AM
Well, communists in China don't have to GAFF about any red tape, any eco-whacko's and their water-carriers in media or political office, and can (and do) build whatever they like regardless if it is ever used...

Our communists strangle themselves and others from doing anything...

That's not a leap...it is a surrender...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on June 29, 2024, 03:11:50 PM
IMO this 9 min video is really good.

More from China One part touches on MN and the cancelled mine. Also other US mines not built.  He keeps saying that what is true for copper is true for other industries.

https://youtu.be/ONejxaMw-jQ
China owns most of the global supply chains for copper. The US wants to get them back.

Copper is essential for the modern economy, and China has control over much of the world's supply.  China is also the world's top buyer of copper ore, the world's top refiner, and the world's top consumer.  Most of all, China has deep relationships with mining companies and their host governments, after years of huge infrastructural investments across the developing world.

The United States is already at a disadvantage in our efforts to "friendshore" the copper industry.  Making the problem much worse is the Biden Administration's hostility to domestic mining, which has seen the cancelation of massive new projects that would have brought millions of tons of copper to the market.

Now the US is trying to build relationships with copper miners across the world, and has budgeted about $800 million to the effort.  Last year, China spent more than $19 billion on new mining projects outside China.

Resources and links:

 
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on June 29, 2024, 03:58:41 PM


How many robots would a country make based on their cost of labor?  I.e. to replace their workers?
The US makes 70% of the expected rate.
China already has cheap labor so why build so many robots?
To compete with US higher paid labor. China has 12x as many robots based on their low labor costs so 1200 %. of expected.

https://youtu.be/zeykqb_b2BY
Chinese robots will not replace Chinese workers. They will replace ours.
China has detailed plans and budgets to dominate the robotics and humanoid robot industries within five years.   Already, they have the highest over-expected buildout of robots in the world, at 12.5x.

Policy papers and statements from senior officials have shown that they are also determined to build out supply chains and manufacturing clusters to achieve these goals.

The United States, by contrast, has no robotics foundries, and lags in every important metric except in robotics software.

Resources and links:

Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on June 30, 2024, 10:55:46 AM


Brief video on China history. In short, how Deng changed China for the better in part by visiting Singapore with its Chinese majority.
 China said that Singapore was a running dog capitalist country but changed to say that China should learn from Singapore and sent CCP people to learn from them. 

https://youtu.be/NRRoW-mr5Pg
How Tiny Singapore CHANGED China Forever (ft. Lee Kuan Yew & Deng Xiaoping)
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on July 01, 2024, 12:29:30 PM
As opposed to what Kissinger and his acolytes and the rest of the globohomo clown show thought...opening China did not bring in capitalism to China...it capitulated to China to game the systems and markets to their advantage that fed their military growth and domestic social spending...while globalists got rich and citizens got cheap communist made crap...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on July 01, 2024, 03:07:41 PM

Another post. This guy is not a China simp. He almost cries in some posts at the suicide of the US.

In short, China controls the refining and supply chains for almost all materials used in the so called green energy sources. 7 min video.

The US recent laws mean almost nothing
https://youtu.be/vAdMHOdyS6g
 China's supply chain dominance means the Inflation Reduction Act is already dead.
Inside China Business
39K subscribers

     
29,861 views  Apr 22, 2024
A key feature of Biden's Inflation Reduction Act is the re-shoring of critical tech for clean energy, especially in battery technologies for electric vehicles.  But China has near-monopolies on the refining and processing of all the battery components, as well as huge production cost advantages.  According to analysis by the International Energy Agency, even after the projects announced under the Inflation Reduction Act come fully online under the most optimistic scenarios, China will still have two thirds of the world's production of new energy batteries, at less than half the cost.

Resources and links:
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on July 02, 2024, 08:10:46 AM
Yeah, they are profiting off of Western suicide and looking to militarily and economically dominate the world while spewing more (actual) toxins into the air than any other nation on the planet and laughing their little commies asses off while doing it...and Brandon just cashes CCP checks laundered through Hunter's nefarious enterprises...

 ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on July 03, 2024, 01:15:22 PM


https://youtu.be/QR2tk9TcsDM
Top Chinese scientists at US companies and universities are resigning their posts and returning to China.  According to the Wall Street Journal, 40% of faculty of Chinese descent are also strongly considering a return.

This is after decades of work at the top universities and companies in the United States, and even includes naturalized citizens with American children.  In interviews, they point to US government persecution, anti-Asian racism, and better career and economic prospects in China.  What's more, Chinese universities have eclipsed top US unis in terms of research, and Chinese students are opting instead to finish graduate studies in Chinese universities, rather than abroad.

Resources and links:
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on July 03, 2024, 01:24:28 PM
Oh, BS!  People writing that dreck failed on purpose to disclose standing CCP law that every Chinese citizen...is expected to do whatever the CCP demands of it...INCLUDING SPYING!

f**king Chi-Com's...they are insidious scum!
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on July 03, 2024, 09:33:55 PM

I knew a Chinese PhD inventor from MN who returned to China to do his research in solar PV  materials because it was much cheaper there.
Far fewer Chinese students are going to US universities now because their own schools are much better now.  This will hurt US inversities because they paid full freight for their tuition.

The Turing prize is like a Noble prize for computer science. It is a big deal. The only Chinese winner in US recently sold his house and moved back to China to do research. Part of the sanctions against China means that leading researchers cannot collaborate with China any more which hurts them.

I am not saying the US is doing bad things but that these people are looking out for themselves.
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on July 04, 2024, 12:45:39 AM


This guy covers how China is doing in many areas. 6 min video is a very good example Sanctions do not work when scientists can hop on a plane.

https://youtu.be/M9d-o0uPE9I
 Western chip sanctions guaranteed to fail as thousands of top Chinese scientists return home
Inside China Business

China is now a scientific superpower, and now leads the United States and the European Union in several key measures of scholarship and research output. 

Much of China's top research and scientific talent are also headed back to China, and bringing with them deep, specialized industry knowledge in dozens of fields.

Western export curbs on critical technologies and tools for semiconductor manufacturing have ironically chased much top Chinese talent away from Silicon Valley and Europe, back to China.  By closing off customers for their products, they concluded they are better off, instead, returning to China and doing business here, with Chinese partners and Chinese customers.

Resources and links:
...
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on July 08, 2024, 08:21:14 AM
Let 'em go...

If keeping them feeds the ChiCom war machine, eff 'em...hit the bricks!
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on July 08, 2024, 08:24:01 AM
sh*tbag commie rat pukes have no shame...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/chinese-ship-suspected-raiding-world-war-ii-wrecks-detained (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/chinese-ship-suspected-raiding-world-war-ii-wrecks-detained)

Detained?  I'd sink that fothermucker!
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on July 12, 2024, 12:01:19 PM
A 19 min clip. In short, the US govt is likely feeding us a load of crap on the Uighurs.

Kim Iversen has done some deep dives into the Uighurs.  Here she interviews some French guy who has lived in China as I recall. His kids went to a French school in China. Now he lives in Malaysia, A Muslim country,  with his kids. There are lots of Uighurs who live there and his daughter's best friend is a Uighur. So he talks to them about when they were in China.

Similar to what I  heard before. The Uighur region borders Afghanistan and there were lots of terrorists who worked with the Taliban and acted as terrorists inside China. China responded by heavy handed security measures including civics re-education vocational education, and economic development. The mandatory re-education for radicalized Muslims and the camps shut down in 2019.

Numerous international Muslim organizations have visited the region and concluded there is no problem. This is the most culturally and geographic region of China so it has 300 million visitors per year. He says their income is higher than in Vietnam or Thailand.

https://youtu.be/m0tvyYwOV4c
Inside The Uyghur Camps In China: An Insider’s Perspective


Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on July 12, 2024, 12:20:52 PM


Like the title says
https://youtu.be/H3XYIcaohk0
 China's factories are closing down and moving, to other regions in China. Not to Vietnam or Mexico.
Inside China Business

China's vast interior provinces are benefiting from supply chain moves from coastal China, as global manufacturers move inland.  Vietnam and Mexico are seeing manufacturing and export booms as some final assembly plants are built there to avoid US tariffs.  However, the manufacturing and export sectors of China's inland provinces are far outpacing those of Vietnam, Mexico, and even India.

Chinese GDP growth figures at the provincial level show that the economies of less-developed areas will double in under 10 years, closing the gap with the giant coastal economies of the Pearl River Delta and the Shanghai megalopolis. 

Resources and links:
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on July 14, 2024, 06:31:39 PM
Are these people crazy?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/11/politics/nato-chinese-owned-infrastructure-europe/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/11/politics/nato-chinese-owned-infrastructure-europe/index.html)
 NATO allies are discussing reclaiming some Chinese-owned infrastructure in Europe
Kayla Tausche Kylie Atwood
By Kayla Tausche and Kylie Atwood, CNN
4 minute read
Published 2:41 PM EDT, Thu July 11, 2024


   
 From rail lines connecting Eastern Europe to China, to ports located in the North Sea and the Baltic Sea, China has funded tens of billions of dollars in infrastructure investments under its Belt & Road Initiative, which European nations began signing onto in 2013.

A NATO official said that if a war erupted, the infrastructure “would almost certainly be nationalized, or nations would temporarily assume operating control, under emergency security measures. China can sue them in court after the fact.”

US officials see a precedent for such takeovers or sales in moves by European nations to force Russia to sell assets in the wake of the 2022 invasion of Ukraine. For more than a year, Finland repeatedly blocked the business of Helsinki Shipyard – a producer of ice-breaking ships once owned by a Russian entity – until Russia in late 2023 sold the company to an entity based in Canada.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qBQUB3bMRI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qBQUB3bMRI)
ECONOMIC WAR: NATO Threatens to Nationalize Assets Owned by China the EU
Lena Petrova
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on July 14, 2024, 07:01:07 PM
Dont care, screw China.
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on July 14, 2024, 09:07:21 PM

The EU gets screwed not China.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on July 15, 2024, 08:14:57 AM
Don't care, screw 'em both...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on August 06, 2024, 07:27:29 PM


Here is a series of around 16 tweets on how China selects its leaders. Near the end there is a short series on how another recent leader m made it where he is.

https://twitter.com/thinking_panda/status/1305784641262026752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1305784641262026752%7Ctwgr%5Ee976c31efbe5978106ba91f3cedacbae77c22088%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdisqus.com%2Fembed%2Fcomments%2F%3Fbase%3Ddefaultf%3Dhttpsmoothiex12blogspotcomt_u%3Dhttp3A2F2Fsmoothiex12.blogspot.com2F20242F082Fcorrections.htmlt_d%3D0A0AReminiscence20of20the20Future...20202020200A0At_t%3D0A0AReminiscence20of20the20Future...20202020200A0As_o%3Ddefaultversion%3D4cca83b0da0691f931ef86061fb7db43


Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on August 07, 2024, 07:59:29 AM
 ::facepalm::

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/bipartisan-house-legislation-aims-counter-chinas-investment-africa (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/bipartisan-house-legislation-aims-counter-chinas-investment-africa)

So misleading...

These UniParty punks suddenly care about China, only because of environmental BS?

 ::angry::

Eff them all.  Let China rape Africa and render the stupid African lands into toxic dumps...they deserve each other!

Dipsh*ts are not worth spending one cent on!!!
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on August 07, 2024, 02:00:06 PM


I have no idea what China is doing in Africa. No friend of the environment from what I hear but I hope the locals care about that.

The US is acting as a spoiler too often for my taste.  China builds something. US does not but complains about it.

US used to be biggest trade partner for Latin America. Now it is China.

Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on August 08, 2024, 08:11:03 AM
Africa is a whore and China is an abusive John...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on August 08, 2024, 11:13:14 AM


Chinese even prefer light skinned Han to dark skinned Hana. When they knock up a local African there is no way they take them back to China to meet his parents. They are abandoned.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on August 09, 2024, 09:01:22 AM
Bloody commies...

Bad enough they pollute their own people...and sometimes get caught selling dangerous/toxic products to stupid Westerners...they keep polluting the sh*t out of space and make more dangerous for other nations legitimate use!

https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/chinese-rocket-breaks-apart-space-unleashing-significantly-hazard-debris-cloud (https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/chinese-rocket-breaks-apart-space-unleashing-significantly-hazard-debris-cloud)

And more damage to come...

Chi-Com's are nefarious!

Like to Long March them into The Hague!

At least here they appear to have mostly hurt themselves...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-explosion-rocks-container-ship-chinas-top-port (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-explosion-rocks-container-ship-chinas-top-port)

Bloody commies!
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on August 11, 2024, 02:07:45 PM

This guy is American portfolio manager. Talks fast. He has gone into how US sanctions backfired before in great detail.
US companies like NVidea (and others) outsource production to Taiwan. US govt sanctions harm US companies like them but not others so why be a US company if it harms you?

https://youtu.be/ZNzixbMiZMQ

 US sanctions against China are putting global firms to a decision: abandon China, or leave the US
Inside China Business
53.1K subscribers
 
Aug 11, 2024
Nvidia and other chipmakers are struggling to survive in China, the world's largest semiconductor market, while also observing Washington's increasingly strict trading curbs. 

Despite obvious sanctions failures against Russia and China, Western governments continue to punish their own companies who do business in and with the world's biggest industrial and consumer markets.  Companies who set up outside the United States and a small handful of Washington's closest allies are not subject to these restrictions.  We should therefore expect that more Western companies will break apart into units which serve different markets, and that new firms will establish themselves in countries whose laws allow them to do business anywhere.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on August 12, 2024, 08:33:10 AM

This guy is American portfolio manager. Talks fast. He has gone into how US sanctions backfired before in great detail.
US companies like NVidea (and others) outsource production to Taiwan. US govt sanctions harm US companies like them but not others so why be a US company if it harms you?

https://youtu.be/ZNzixbMiZMQ

 US sanctions against China are putting global firms to a decision: abandon China, or leave the US
Inside China Business
53.1K subscribers
 
Aug 11, 2024
Nvidia and other chipmakers are struggling to survive in China, the world's largest semiconductor market, while also observing Washington's increasingly strict trading curbs. 

Despite obvious sanctions failures against Russia and China, Western governments continue to punish their own companies who do business in and with the world's biggest industrial and consumer markets.  Companies who set up outside the United States and a small handful of Washington's closest allies are not subject to these restrictions.  We should therefore expect that more Western companies will break apart into units which serve different markets, and that new firms will establish themselves in countries whose laws allow them to do business anywhere.

Where the Hell is this coming from?  Nvidia like almost everybody uses Taiwan Semiconductor to make chips per their designs...that is not China, only a Commie thinks Taiwan belongs to China...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on August 12, 2024, 10:49:26 AM

This guy is American portfolio manager. Talks fast. He has gone into how US sanctions backfired before in great detail.
US companies like NVidea (and others) outsource production to Taiwan. US govt sanctions harm US companies like them but not others so why be a US company if it harms you?

https://youtu.be/ZNzixbMiZMQ

 US sanctions against China are putting global firms to a decision: abandon China, or leave the US
Inside China Business
53.1K subscribers
 
Aug 11, 2024
Nvidia and other chipmakers are struggling to survive in China, the world's largest semiconductor market, while also observing Washington's increasingly strict trading curbs. 

Despite obvious sanctions failures against Russia and China, Western governments continue to punish their own companies who do business in and with the world's biggest industrial and consumer markets.  Companies who set up outside the United States and a small handful of Washington's closest allies are not subject to these restrictions.  We should therefore expect that more Western companies will break apart into units which serve different markets, and that new firms will establish themselves in countries whose laws allow them to do business anywhere.

Where the Hell is this coming from?  Nvidia like almost everybody uses Taiwan Semiconductor to make chips per their designs...that is not China, only a Commie thinks Taiwan belongs to China...

He did not say that Taiwan is part of China although the US govt official policy has said that for decades.

From memory, he said that a large percent of Nvidia sales goes to China. Maybe 30 percent?  Maybe more? US govt says Nvidia cannot sell certain top chips to China. China responded to this by making some very good chips themselves. Not the very top end but close enough for now and better than expected. This creates a huge vacuum that will be filled one way or the other. TSMC would prefer to sell to China IMO.

In some tech areas in response to US sanctions, the Chinese inventors in US companies and universities responded by moving to China.
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on August 12, 2024, 11:57:04 AM

This guy is some kinda US investor or portfolio manager but he is in China now.
He often posts on how US govt actions are harming the US.
US sanctions in particular are backfiring on US business.
His videos are not long.

https://www.youtube.com/@Inside_China_Business/videos (https://www.youtube.com/@Inside_China_Business/videos)
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on August 12, 2024, 12:01:00 PM

This guy is American portfolio manager. Talks fast. He has gone into how US sanctions backfired before in great detail.
US companies like NVidea (and others) outsource production to Taiwan. US govt sanctions harm US companies like them but not others so why be a US company if it harms you?

https://youtu.be/ZNzixbMiZMQ

 US sanctions against China are putting global firms to a decision: abandon China, or leave the US
Inside China Business
53.1K subscribers
 
Aug 11, 2024
Nvidia and other chipmakers are struggling to survive in China, the world's largest semiconductor market, while also observing Washington's increasingly strict trading curbs. 

Despite obvious sanctions failures against Russia and China, Western governments continue to punish their own companies who do business in and with the world's biggest industrial and consumer markets.  Companies who set up outside the United States and a small handful of Washington's closest allies are not subject to these restrictions.  We should therefore expect that more Western companies will break apart into units which serve different markets, and that new firms will establish themselves in countries whose laws allow them to do business anywhere.

Where the Hell is this coming from?  Nvidia like almost everybody uses Taiwan Semiconductor to make chips per their designs...that is not China, only a Commie thinks Taiwan belongs to China...

He did not say that Taiwan is part of China although the US govt official policy has said that for decades.

From memory, he said that a large percent of Nvidia sales goes to China. Maybe 30 percent?  Maybe more? US govt says Nvidia cannot sell certain top chips to China. China responded to this by making some very good chips themselves. Not the very top end but close enough for now and better than expected. This creates a huge vacuum that will be filled one way or the other. TSMC would prefer to sell to China IMO.

In some tech areas in response to US sanctions, the Chinese inventors in US companies and universities responded by moving to China.

I have no problem with not giving the CCP top tech, eff 'em...they can design their own...

As for harm, the West is leading in AI....what little losses to Chinese sales will be nothing compared to what rolls in...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on August 21, 2024, 04:15:14 PM

This guy is American portfolio manager. Talks fast. He has gone into how US sanctions backfired before in great detail.
US companies like NVidea (and others) outsource production to Taiwan. US govt sanctions harm US companies like them but not others so why be a US company if it harms you?

https://youtu.be/ZNzixbMiZMQ

 US sanctions against China are putting global firms to a decision: abandon China, or leave the US
Inside China Business
53.1K subscribers
 
Aug 11, 2024
Nvidia and other chipmakers are struggling to survive in China, the world's largest semiconductor market, while also observing Washington's increasingly strict trading curbs. 

Despite obvious sanctions failures against Russia and China, Western governments continue to punish their own companies who do business in and with the world's biggest industrial and consumer markets.  Companies who set up outside the United States and a small handful of Washington's closest allies are not subject to these restrictions.  We should therefore expect that more Western companies will break apart into units which serve different markets, and that new firms will establish themselves in countries whose laws allow them to do business anywhere.

Where the Hell is this coming from?  Nvidia like almost everybody uses Taiwan Semiconductor to make chips per their designs...that is not China, only a Commie thinks Taiwan belongs to China...

He did not say that Taiwan is part of China although the US govt official policy has said that for decades.

From memory, he said that a large percent of Nvidia sales goes to China. Maybe 30 percent?  Maybe more? US govt says Nvidia cannot sell certain top chips to China. China responded to this by making some very good chips themselves. Not the very top end but close enough for now and better than expected. This creates a huge vacuum that will be filled one way or the other. TSMC would prefer to sell to China IMO.

In some tech areas in response to US sanctions, the Chinese inventors in US companies and universities responded by moving to China.

I have no problem with not giving the CCP top tech, eff 'em...they can design their own...

As for harm, the West is leading in AI....what little losses to Chinese sales will be nothing compared to what rolls in...

The US is leading in AI mostly thanks to foreign professors and students. I recall 75 pct of silicon valley employees are foreign born.  If they go back home that is not good for US. BTW the current AI boom is based on mostly machine learning not smart fancy algorithms.

Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on August 21, 2024, 06:49:48 PM


Some Biden passed bill was supposed to benefit Biden donors but is not working that way.. 9 min video.

https://youtu.be/BbO3ovIGQnc
 Solar panel factories in the United States are going broke, except the ones China is building.
Inside China Business

US solar panel companies rushed to build new factories, as the Inflation Reduction Act promised to shower hundreds of billions of dollars on green energy firms that would reduce America's dependence on China.  Even foreign firms joined in, including major companies from China, Korea, and Europe, setting up joint ventures in the US.

First Solar, a US company, was believed to be in the best position of all, after company insiders invested heavily into Joe Biden's election effort, and hired longtime friends of key officials who wrote the key provisions of the IRA.

All these investments are now imperiled by crushing Chinese competition, which has pushed solar panel prices far below those companies' cost of production.  Predictably, they are asking their lobbyists in Washington for relief, warning that they will go out of business.  They have paused or outright canceled their planned factory builds, and only Chinese-partnered companies are continuing US production.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on August 22, 2024, 12:09:56 PM

This guy is American portfolio manager. Talks fast. He has gone into how US sanctions backfired before in great detail.
US companies like NVidea (and others) outsource production to Taiwan. US govt sanctions harm US companies like them but not others so why be a US company if it harms you?

https://youtu.be/ZNzixbMiZMQ

 US sanctions against China are putting global firms to a decision: abandon China, or leave the US
Inside China Business
53.1K subscribers
 
Aug 11, 2024
Nvidia and other chipmakers are struggling to survive in China, the world's largest semiconductor market, while also observing Washington's increasingly strict trading curbs. 

Despite obvious sanctions failures against Russia and China, Western governments continue to punish their own companies who do business in and with the world's biggest industrial and consumer markets.  Companies who set up outside the United States and a small handful of Washington's closest allies are not subject to these restrictions.  We should therefore expect that more Western companies will break apart into units which serve different markets, and that new firms will establish themselves in countries whose laws allow them to do business anywhere.

Where the Hell is this coming from?  Nvidia like almost everybody uses Taiwan Semiconductor to make chips per their designs...that is not China, only a Commie thinks Taiwan belongs to China...

He did not say that Taiwan is part of China although the US govt official policy has said that for decades.

From memory, he said that a large percent of Nvidia sales goes to China. Maybe 30 percent?  Maybe more? US govt says Nvidia cannot sell certain top chips to China. China responded to this by making some very good chips themselves. Not the very top end but close enough for now and better than expected. This creates a huge vacuum that will be filled one way or the other. TSMC would prefer to sell to China IMO.

In some tech areas in response to US sanctions, the Chinese inventors in US companies and universities responded by moving to China.

I have no problem with not giving the CCP top tech, eff 'em...they can design their own...

As for harm, the West is leading in AI....what little losses to Chinese sales will be nothing compared to what rolls in...

The US is leading in AI mostly thanks to foreign professors and students. I recall 75 pct of silicon valley employees are foreign born.  If they go back home that is not good for US. BTW the current AI boom is based on mostly machine learning not smart fancy algorithms.

Well, that "machine learning" leans on work done by humans...and without the American tech the algorithms won't achieve maximum potential...

Also, how many of those foreign born working in AI want to go home...not all may be eager to go back to the communist homeland and work for less...  And if they do go back they still have to design and manufacture their own stuff and their knowledge could be limited to past benchmarks learned in America that the latter keep leapfrogging...

Also, I think the number of foreign born is closer to 71% and that "Asians" include not just Chinese but Indians, Japanese, Koreans, and other Asians...and that this is industry total without any details as to role in a company...most are probably siloed workers doing specific tasks vs chief designers and project directors...

And how many of those "Chinese" are mainland communist born vs free born in Taiwan?
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on August 22, 2024, 12:15:12 PM


Some Biden passed bill was supposed to benefit Biden donors but is not working that way.. 9 min video.

https://youtu.be/BbO3ovIGQnc
 Solar panel factories in the United States are going broke, except the ones China is building.
Inside China Business

US solar panel companies rushed to build new factories, as the Inflation Reduction Act promised to shower hundreds of billions of dollars on green energy firms that would reduce America's dependence on China.  Even foreign firms joined in, including major companies from China, Korea, and Europe, setting up joint ventures in the US.

First Solar, a US company, was believed to be in the best position of all, after company insiders invested heavily into Joe Biden's election effort, and hired longtime friends of key officials who wrote the key provisions of the IRA.

All these investments are now imperiled by crushing Chinese competition, which has pushed solar panel prices far below those companies' cost of production.  Predictably, they are asking their lobbyists in Washington for relief, warning that they will go out of business.  They have paused or outright canceled their planned factory builds, and only Chinese-partnered companies are continuing US production.

Well, only a back-birthed mentally-stunted person (aka Leftists) are unaware of or don't GAFF about Communist China's dominance in the manufacture of items in this industry due to their near slave wage labor advantage and easy access to necessary elements they rape out of the ground without any concern for environmental or OSHA type regulatory burdens.

Without massive extortion of the taxpayers to subsidize such schemes most are doomed to failure.  And everybody not a fool knew this up front.
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on August 22, 2024, 02:43:51 PM

IMO the US has an anti industrial mind set in at least the govt and MSM. The CCP/CPC does not.

For many fields China is the land of opportunity.Wanna build bridges, railroads, skyscrapers, dams, solar panels, robots?

China is building nuclear power plants including a new thorium nuke plant.

Title: Re: China
Post by: Syzygy on August 23, 2024, 12:28:08 AM

IMO the US has an anti industrial mind set in at least the govt and MSM. The CCP/CPC does not.

For many fields China is the land of opportunity.Wanna build bridges, railroads, skyscrapers, dams, solar panels, robots?

China is building nuclear power plants including a new thorium nuke plant.

Economics 101:  ALL economies will go through a transition from mostly agrarian,  to industrial,  to ULTIMATELY a service economy.  (Read  Tofler's , The Third Wave).   The purported service economy is not hamburger flippin' jobs,  but is supposed to be information based,  and we're doing rather mediocre in that regard. 
Witness Japan who went through its industrial phase rather quickly post WW II,  but is struggling now  transitioning to its third phase. 
China is in its nadir of its industrial phase and will someday experience the same fate as Japan.  Why?  Because of cheap labor to be found the world over.  Labor is the most expensive,  ongoing cost of all the 4 factors of production,  and one reason why manufacturing has left American shores.

Wanna bring back manufacturing jobs to America?  Reduce the cost of labor.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on August 23, 2024, 08:45:04 AM

IMO the US has an anti industrial mind set in at least the govt and MSM. The CCP/CPC does not.

For many fields China is the land of opportunity.Wanna build bridges, railroads, skyscrapers, dams, solar panels, robots?

China is building nuclear power plants including a new thorium nuke plant.

Economics 101:  ALL economies will go through a transition from mostly agrarian,  to industrial,  to ULTIMATELY a service economy.  (Read  Tofler's , The Third Wave).   The purported service economy is not hamburger flippin' jobs,  but is supposed to be information based,  and we're doing rather mediocre in that regard. 
Witness Japan who went through its industrial phase rather quickly post WW II,  but is struggling now  transitioning to its third phase. 
China is in its nadir of its industrial phase and will someday experience the same fate as Japan.  Why?  Because of cheap labor to be found the world over.  Labor is the most expensive,  ongoing cost of all the 4 factors of production,  and one reason why manufacturing has left American shores.

Wanna bring back manufacturing jobs to America?  Reduce the cost of labor.

Well, the destructive nature of the Biden-Harris policies is doing marvels on that score in the economy...   ::hysterical::

Not quite at China low's yet...  And any new jobs are going not to private sector but government and in the former mostly to illegals not citizens...

So the corporate addiction to cheap communist labor isn't ending anytime soon...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on August 23, 2024, 12:22:19 PM

IMO the US has an anti industrial mind set in at least the govt and MSM. The CCP/CPC does not.

For many fields China is the land of opportunity.Wanna build bridges, railroads, skyscrapers, dams, solar panels, robots?

China is building nuclear power plants including a new thorium nuke plant.

Economics 101:  ALL economies will go through a transition from mostly agrarian,  to industrial,  to ULTIMATELY a service economy.  (Read  Tofler's , The Third Wave).   The purported service economy is not hamburger flippin' jobs,  but is supposed to be information based,  and we're doing rather mediocre in that regard. 
Witness Japan who went through its industrial phase rather quickly post WW II,  but is struggling now  transitioning to its third phase. 
China is in its nadir of its industrial phase and will someday experience the same fate as Japan.  Why?  Because of cheap labor to be found the world over.  Labor is the most expensive,  ongoing cost of all the 4 factors of production,  and one reason why manufacturing has left American shores.

Wanna bring back manufacturing jobs to America?  Reduce the cost of labor.

Not just labor costs the anti industrial nature of US govt. Steve Jobs  told Obama that Apple built the new glass plants for smart phones in China because of govt related costs and delays in the US, not US labor costs.

This guy. https://www.youtube.com/@Inside_China_Business (https://www.youtube.com/@Inside_China_Business)
Says China is locating plants where labor is cheaper. In central and western China.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Syzygy on August 23, 2024, 01:14:07 PM
It's not just the feds that make regulations discouraging business start-ups.  Local and state governments do more than their share of putting up regulatory obstacles to businesses,  as well. 
And they do quite well at increasing labor costs,  too.  Witness the many states and municipalities who have increased their minimum wage,  like Newscums $25 minimum wage for fast food workers.
Large corporations,  like Apple,  have the option of going offshore to escape higher production costs in the US. 
Small businesses, or franchisees of the large fast food industry,  have no such option,  and are sometimes forced to shut their doors as a result.
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on August 23, 2024, 01:54:41 PM


Yes. I did not say it was just the feds. Locally, a bridge to Wisconsin from MN near Stillwater was proposed to replace a bridge  in downtown Stillwater. Not everyone  going from MN to WI needed to drive through that town. I recall it was a lift bridge or draw bridge in that town.

The state fought environmental law suits for 30 years. Then there was an act of congress exempting the bridge  from  environmental laws signed by Obama. It got built.

Some dairy in MN or WI wanted to add cows. They filed environmental paperwork. A lawsuit opposed them and the court said they had not included the environmental effects of cow farts. The farm got lucky as then covid hit and the govt shut down schools and school lunches which tanked milk consumption.
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on August 23, 2024, 02:00:36 PM


Also, there is some CA law to take effect. It will ban diesel locomotives in CA. Stuff from CA ports?
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on August 26, 2024, 11:05:03 AM


Yes. I did not say it was just the feds. Locally, a bridge to Wisconsin from MN near Stillwater was proposed to replace a bridge  in downtown Stillwater. Not everyone  going from MN to WI needed to drive through that town. I recall it was a lift bridge or draw bridge in that town.

The state fought environmental law suits for 30 years. Then there was an act of congress exempting the bridge  from  environmental laws signed by Obama. It got built.

Some dairy in MN or WI wanted to add cows. They filed environmental paperwork. A lawsuit opposed them and the court said they had not included the environmental effects of cow farts. The farm got lucky as then covid hit and the govt shut down schools and school lunches which tanked milk consumption.

I wouldn't say they got lucky...

Everybody got #$%&ed by the Branch Covidians!
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on August 26, 2024, 11:06:09 AM


Also, there is some CA law to take effect. It will ban diesel locomotives in CA. Stuff from CA ports?

Goodbye then, MFer's!   ::viking::

Watch CA ports die and other ports boom.
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on August 30, 2024, 02:20:19 PM

This is mostly China I think. 9 min long.
I do not understand international finance.
When the US govt was to kick Russia off SWIFT some US govt and finance types went nuts and said no.
One big reason was that Russia and others would find work arounds.
Everything that happened on SWIFT was visible to the US govt.
I think this guy is referring in part to SWIFT.
China backed out of a few huge ag contracts with US and found other suppliers. The US does not know who or at what price.

https://youtu.be/z7m5Z6FuPbk
 The BRICS trading system is already wiping out US farmers, as global price discovery is destroyed
Inside China Business

68,356 views  Aug 29, 2024
Millions of tons of annual agricultural trade is now being conducted outside the US dollar, and within the new BRICS framework.

This represents a tectonic shift in global finance, as the dominant trading hubs of New York, Chicago, and London are replaced by a multipolar system of bilateral trades using national currencies and non-USD-denominated pricing and contracts.

The already huge volumes of trade in ag, energy, and raw materials are destroying price discovery in global markets.  Decisionmakers and executives in Western companies are unable to see markets, nor can they know what parties are driving demand, nor which suppliers are emerging to meet that demand.  Our senior-level business managers and planners are flying blind, and only after realizing giant losses we learn that we are now suppliers only of last resort:  the BRICS countries and their allied countries across the world are producing and trading at prices far below our cost of production.


Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on August 31, 2024, 02:03:29 PM

Not sure if he is right. It seems price would still be the most important.
https://youtu.be/ehdH2g4OnCs
 The Russia-China grains corridor will completely displace the US, Canada, Australia, and France
Inside China Business
   
 
Aug 31, 2024
Russia and China are developing a transnational grains corridor, connecting Russia's enormous agricultural production to export markets in China, South Asia, and the Middle East.

When complete, Russian production and shipments on this network will exceed 8 million tons per year.   China is the world's largest importer of wheat and grains, and in 2023 imported over 6 million tons of wheat from the United States, Canada, Australia, and France. 

Large distribution hubs are being completed in China's Northern and Central provinces, which will further transport Russian food exports within China, and on to other Asian countries. 

The proposed BRICS grains exchange enjoys wide support across the bloc, and will accelerate the decoupling of Global South markets from the Western banking and trading systems, to the detriment of farmers in North America and Europe.

Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on September 03, 2024, 12:45:18 PM
Food is getting more and more scarce...

I think the Commie-lapping morons are overstating the impact to our farmers...

And like I care if China wants to eat Russian grain?

Would love to see the "excess" after domestic needs projections...China only has a sh*t-ton more people than Russia...what is the per capita daily contribution to a hungry Chinese?

Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on September 29, 2024, 12:29:06 PM


https://youtu.be/gKQXnzNxb4g

US universities losing hundreds of billions as top Chinese scientists and researchers go home

Research and Development (R&D) is a major profit center for the top universities in the United States.  Besides the nearly $100 billion they earn in grants from the US government and private sources, university-based researchers create patents and inventions that generate many more billions annually.

China is the largest foreign source of scientists and researchers, and they are concentrated in the hard sciences and in engineering, where over 95% of R&D spending takes place.  But since 2018, Chinese scientists are increasingly deciding to return to China to set up new research departments.  Of those who are still in the US, over 60% admit they are strongly considering moving, and over half now refuse to work on projects that involve funding by US government sources.

To American universities, the loss of these scientists, along with future contributions to scientific research and commercial applications and market value, are incalculable.  But losses probably already exceed a trillion dollars, given the departures of so many top scientists in Artificial Intelligence, Big Data, medicine, biochemistry, materials science, nanotechnology, and quantum computing.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on September 30, 2024, 08:53:58 AM
The answer is simple, reverse the woke BS and put value on the sciences for the kids in your own country...

Won't happen under leftists ever...but there it is...
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on October 03, 2024, 09:04:47 AM
China, Iran, Pakistan, And Russia Are Increasingly Displeased With The Afghan Taliban

 ::laughonfloor::

The Chinese, Iranian, Pakistani, and Russian Foreign Ministers gathered for their third quadrilateral meeting on Afghanistan on the sidelines of the UNGA last week. The joint statement that they produced was sharply critical of the Taliban on very sensitive issues, thus showing that they’re becoming increasingly displeased with them. They confirmed that international terrorist groups are still active in Afghanistan despite the Taliban’s claims and called on them to fulfill their obligation to fight them.

Those four’s joint statement explicitly said that the Taliban should “eliminate all terrorist groups equally and non-discriminatory and prevent the use of Afghan territory against its neighbors, the region, and beyond”, thus implying that it’s only selectively targeting those like ISIS-K which it considers a threat. The innuendo is that some of them like the TTP and BLA, which readers can learn more about here, are being sheltered by the Taliban and even exploited by them as proxies against Pakistan like Islamabad suspects.

It's for this reason why Pakistan’s Express Tribune, which is one of the country’s most reliable outlets, described the inclusion of that language as a ”major diplomatic victory”. The other criticisms of the Taliban were comparatively milder and include a call for it to finally assemble the ethno-politically inclusive government that it promised to form a few years back, create the conditions for facilitating the return of refugees from Iran and Pakistan, and reconsider its policy towards women.

The rest of the document was perfunctory and also predictably blamed NATO for Afghanistan’s plight, but it’s the parts mentioned above that are the most important for observers to pay attention to. What they show is that those four counties’ honeymoon with the Taliban has indisputably ended and they’re no longer shy about drawing attention to its ties with international terrorist groups. They don’t outright accuse it of complicity with them, but a reading between the lines reveals that this is what they think.

This is significant because it hints that they wouldn’t politically oppose whatever military means Pakistan might ultimately resort to for defending its national security interests from Taliban-backed terrorists. China, Iran, and Russia aren’t anywhere near as directly affected by this ignoble state of affairs as Pakistan is, and each has their respective reasons for not worsening their ties with it in spite of this, with Pakistan being the only one among them that might do something tangible in response.

China wants Pakistan to improve its domestic security situation in order to protect BRI’s CPEC flagship, Iran doesn’t want Taliban-backed terrorists in Pakistan’s Balochistan spilling over into its half of this transnational region, and Russia wants a stable environment in which to possibly ramp up investments. The convergence of these three’s interests in this respect inside of Pakistan in spite of their individual ties with the Taliban is why they agreed to so sharply criticize the group in their joint statement.

Seeing as how neither China, Iran, nor Russia will scale back their ties with the Taliban to pressure it into acting against those anti-Pakistani terrorist groups, which is due to them not wanting to lose out on Afghanistan’s logistics and mineral opportunities, the Taliban has no reason to comply. Their implied lack of political opposition to whatever military means Pakistan might ultimately resort to won’t change the military-strategic dynamics between Kabul and Islamabad.

Both conflicting parties know this, which is why the latest joint statement should only be seen as a symbolic declaration of their increasing displeasure with the Taliban and not anything more substantive. Pakistan would still carry out cross-border military action if it considered this necessary even if those other three countries didn’t just signal that they wouldn’t oppose it. In any case, they’ll now better understand why it might do so, which suggests that such a scenario might actually be in the cards.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-iran-pakistan-and-russia-are-increasingly-displeased-afghan-taliban (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-iran-pakistan-and-russia-are-increasingly-displeased-afghan-taliban)

When you are a greedy little bastard lusting after resources like China, Russia & Iran it means sometimes being a sh*t partner to one (Pakistan) because of it and appear to be de facto silent ally of another (Talibanstan)....

 ::hysterical::

All these assholes deserve each other!!!

 ::laughonfloor::
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on October 04, 2024, 01:16:06 PM
According to the report, Chinese authorities have ordered the removal of crosses from churches and replaced images of Christ and the Virgin Mary with pictures of President Xi Jinping. They have also censored religious texts, forced clergy members to preach CCP ideology, and mandated that slogans promoting the Party be displayed in churches.

To subordinate religions to the Party, the government requires religious groups to register with various “patriotic religious associations” and their local branches.
https://gatewayhispanic.com/2024/10/china-removes-church-crosses-and-replaces-christs-images-with-xi-jinpings/

China sucks!!!
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on October 07, 2024, 05:53:29 PM

EV voted to impose giant tariffs on Chinese EVs,
Countries with the most trade with China voted against this.


I heard somewhere that China would reduce pork imports from EU (Spain) and replace them with Russian pork.
I recall around 5 percent but that is huge for Spain.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on October 08, 2024, 11:40:58 AM
China sucks...

They put big tariffs on foreign products coming in, then expect nothing going out to those countries.  Trump said eff that noise...they do 100% on cars going in, we go 100% on their cars...

That's how you deal with that trash!

Expanding into other products must have an equivalent match or its starting sh*t, I reckon somebody isn't being honest about who hit who with what first...

As always I do not trust stinking commies...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on October 09, 2024, 07:48:57 PM
I wonder if the US is funding this? Some in congress wanted to fund this.

https://t.me/intelslava/68005
🇵🇰🇨🇳Three Chinese citizens were killed and 17 were injured in an explosion near an airport in Pakistan.

The incident took place near the Karachi airport. A suicide bomber in a car packed with explosives detonated himself near a convoy. The Chinese Embassy in Pakistan said the attack targeted a convoy carrying Chinese employees of the Port Qasim energy company. Pakistani security forces guarding the foreigners were also among the casualties.

The Balochistan Liberation Army claimed responsibility for the attack.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on October 10, 2024, 09:28:38 AM
Why the US?

Pakistan, China, the United Kingdom, and the United States have designated them a terrorist organization.  They seek independence from Pakistan, until recently (ha, started there!) were allied with Afghan Taliban (FWIW!), alleged ties to Pakistan Taliban (of course) and rumored to have ties with India (alleged by Pakistan, denied by India of course) and like to target Pakistan security forces and foreign nationals...

US has no interest in destabilizing Pakistan...I think you need to turn your gaze Eastward toward Afghani Taliban & India...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on October 10, 2024, 12:58:28 PM



I saw some congressman making a speech in favor of arming that group. My impression us that China is building their belt and road including railways, ports, This makes China wealthier, more resistant to US sanctions and warfare, and increases China's influence in the world. IMO the US tries to knock China down a  notch by interfering. IMO US is backing insurgents in SE Asia.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on October 10, 2024, 01:37:13 PM
Why would US Commies interfere with Chinese Commies...makes no damn sense.
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on October 10, 2024, 02:01:05 PM

US published doctrine for a long time has been to ID rising powers around the world and weaken them using whatever works. Usually proxies. They are also used to weaken any US perceived enemy. US wants to be the world hegemon everywhere possible.
Names like Wolfowitz and Brzezinski come to mind.

US can interfere with China by backing insurgent groups. I think the US does in Myanmar, Thailand, SW Pakistan. IMO US backed Chechen rebels for years to mess with Russia. The US tries to keep this stuff secret. US backed AQ and ISIS in Syria for regime change goals.


Title: Re: China
Post by: Syzygy on October 11, 2024, 11:07:22 AM

US published doctrine for a long time has been to ID rising powers around the world and weaken them using whatever works.
...

US can interfere with China by backing insurgent groups.
...
If that's the plan,  I think someone forgot to fill Biden, Walz,  Harris,  McConnell,  and a host of sinophiles in Congress in on it.
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on October 11, 2024, 04:59:03 PM

US published doctrine for a long time has been to ID rising powers around the world and weaken them using whatever works.
...

US can interfere with China by backing insurgent groups.
...
If that's the plan,  I think someone forgot to fill Biden, Walz,  Harris,  McConnell,  and a host of sinophiles in Congress in on it.

They do not attack China directly but mess with their projects in other countries. There is no shortage of pissed off people in the world. Just  send them arms and money.  Somebody used to pay for the Uighur terrorists. Dunno who.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/gunmen-kill-20-miners-injure-7-in-pakistans-balochistan-attack-police-101728616311204.html (https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/gunmen-kill-20-miners-injure-7-in-pakistans-balochistan-attack-police-101728616311204.html)
Gunmen kill 20 miners, injure 7 in Pakistan's Balochistan


Title: Re: China
Post by: Syzygy on October 11, 2024, 08:55:48 PM

US published doctrine for a long time has been to ID rising powers around the world and weaken them using whatever works.
...

US can interfere with China by backing insurgent groups.
...
If that's the plan,  I think someone forgot to fill Biden, Walz,  Harris,  McConnell,  and a host of sinophiles in Congress in on it.

They do not attack China directly but mess with their projects in other countries. There is no shortage of pissed off people in the world. Just  send them arms and money.  Somebody used to pay for the Uighur terrorists. Dunno who.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/gunmen-kill-20-miners-injure-7-in-pakistans-balochistan-attack-police-101728616311204.html (https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/gunmen-kill-20-miners-injure-7-in-pakistans-balochistan-attack-police-101728616311204.html)
Gunmen kill 20 miners, injure 7 in Pakistan's Balochistan

So these ragheads kill a few Chinese over the years and your automatic go-to is "Gotta be funded by the U.S."

In 2004, BLA began a violent struggle against Pakistan for self-determination for the Baloch people and the separation of Balochistan from Pakistan, conducting terror attacks against non-Baloch minorities in Balochistan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balochistan_Liberation_Army (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balochistan_Liberation_Army)

The U.S. has been prodding Pakistan to do more about ridding their country of these terrorists since shortly after we invaded Afghanistan.  I remember seeing a report from back than of a Pakistani military officer where he said how difficult it was to locate and eradicate them once they come into a major city in Paki to do their terrorist shtick. 
Also saw another report back then about a valley in Waziristan where a lot of these terrorists were holed up and where they gave the Taliban a safe haven after their being driven out of Afghanistan.  These folks are so bloodthirsty and batshiite crazy they make ISIS look like a bunch of pikers.
Their fight is with the Pakistani government,  not the Chinese.
As to who might be funding them,  like Libertas said, we have no interest in destabilizing Pakistan,  quite the opposite,  in fact.  It is in our best interest to support their efforts to destroy these terrorists.  If China wants to get in on the act,  so much the better--better them than us--but I hope they're prepared to pay a price for their imperialistic efforts. 

Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on October 11, 2024, 10:08:05 PM

I have no idea what the US goals are in Pakistan. Some congressman made a speech calling for supporting the Baluchistan separatists. I have no idea if the US funds them. SW Pakistan is where China is building stuff. Maybe ports. pipelines. China wants to bypass the straits bc the US subs can sink their ships. IMO if US can weaken China there they will. The US already accomplished a low effort regime change in Pakistan bc the old govt wanted to be neutral on Ukraine. There was a leaked document.

The US arms crazies all the time. Whether good or bad is a matter of opinion. At first the idea that US was arming crazies in Syria was a conspiracy theory. Then we were only arming "moderate rebels" and one crazy group rebranded as the "Free Syrian Army." The Syrian crazies were paid for by US, Turkey, and maybe Saudis to mess with Assad.  Later someone in CIA complained that 1 dollar of every 13 in CIA budget went to Syria.

The CIA paid a crazy, the Blind Sheikh, to mess with somebody somewhere. He planned the WTC truck bombing while on CIA payroll in NJ.

The US and others armed crazies in Libya to take down the govt.




Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on October 12, 2024, 01:44:04 PM
I did not invent this stuff I just learned about late in life I asked chatgpt to summarize The Grand Chessboard
Book by Zbigniew Brzezinski. US body bags are bad PR so we hire crazies often in secret. It would be nice if they advanced US citizen interests.

Quote
"The Grand Chessboard" by Zbigniew Brzezinski explores the geopolitical landscape of Eurasia and its significance to global power dynamics. Brzezinski argues that the United States must maintain its dominant position in the world by focusing on Eurasia, which he views as the central stage for political and economic competition. He discusses the importance of regional players and the necessity for the U.S. to engage diplomatically and strategically with various nations to prevent any single power from dominating the region. The book emphasizes the interplay between geopolitics, strategy, and the future of global governance, outlining how U.S. foreign policy should adapt to emerging challenges and opportunities in a rapidly changing world.

How do you "prevent any single power from dominating the region"?  Cause them problems. Say Russia? Arm the crazies in Chechnya who are pissed off? The west has been sponsoring seminars on how to "decolonize" Russia and split them up into 5 countries. The current EU FM has proposed just that recently in public.

How about China? Do regime change in neighboring friendly  countries?  Undermine the belt and road where possible? Thailand? Myanmar? 

summarize the wolfowitz doctrine
The Wolfowitz Doctrine, articulated by Paul Wolfowitz in a 1992 Defense Planning Guidance paper, outlines a strategic vision for U.S. foreign policy. Key elements include:

    Preventing the Rise of a Rival: The U.S. should maintain its military dominance to prevent any other nation from becoming a superpower that could challenge American hegemony.

    Promoting Democracy: The doctrine emphasizes the promotion of democratic governance globally, as a means to enhance stability and align with U.S. interests.

    Engagement and Intervention: It advocates for proactive U.S. engagement in global affairs, including military intervention when necessary, to protect American interests and promote a favorable international order.

Overall, the Wolfowitz Doctrine reflects a unilateral approach to U.S. foreign policy, prioritizing American power and influence in a post-Cold War world.



Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on October 14, 2024, 09:01:20 AM
Well, ya talkin' about Carter's boy...and the other a guy Cheney championed...

Got a problem with that trash?

Stop electing demoscats and cucks!

 ::mooning::

Short of that any discussion is moot.  Though, I would say the goals of Wolfowitz are no different than those of Russia or China.

As always, all I can say is  ::doublebird::  China!

Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on October 14, 2024, 11:55:22 AM
Well, ya talkin' about Carter's boy...and the other a guy Cheney championed...

Got a problem with that trash?

Stop electing demoscats and cucks!

 ::mooning::

Short of that any discussion is moot.  Though, I would say the goals of Wolfowitz are no different than those of Russia or China.

As always, all I can say is  ::doublebird::  China!

When I say that the US is acting to further those goals people say I am bashing the US. Those goals are out in the open.
Most of the coups and regime change operations in the past 50 plus years have been backed by the US.  Good or bad?
China, not the US, is now biggest trade partner in Latin America. All without firing a shot.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on October 14, 2024, 12:51:02 PM
Well, ya talkin' about Carter's boy...and the other a guy Cheney championed...

Got a problem with that trash?

Stop electing demoscats and cucks!

 ::mooning::

Short of that any discussion is moot.  Though, I would say the goals of Wolfowitz are no different than those of Russia or China.

As always, all I can say is  ::doublebird::  China!

When I say that the US is acting to further those goals people say I am bashing the US. Those goals are out in the open.
Most of the coups and regime change operations in the past 50 plus years have been backed by the US.  Good or bad?
China, not the US, is now biggest trade partner in Latin America. All without firing a shot.

Because they are in the bribery phase of market penetration...let's see how these nations fare as their people realize they've been had and their jobs transition out...

Could be shots then...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on October 14, 2024, 03:22:26 PM
Watch the Inside China Business guy sometime.
1. US sanction China.
2. China pulls work in house and figures out how to do it better than before
3. US companies are harmed.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on October 14, 2024, 03:24:56 PM
How?  Sanction what?  As opposed to tariffs that work?  Pulls what in-house?
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on October 14, 2024, 05:24:32 PM

He ha several short videos.
Here is a recent one. How people work round sanctions on AI chips.
Can't sell them to China? Sell them to other countries who do what with them?
Sell them to other countries who build server farms who rent computer time to others.
Who are the users? Who knows as all business is done via block chain.


I know/knew a China PhD who lived/lives in Moundsview MN.  He does his materials research on solar materials in China because it is cheaper and better. He goes back and forth. At ACOC I used to follow the ADVChina guys. China is not a sh*thole country.

https://youtu.be/hTMp8YBIMzs

 Chinese companies are going around US semiconductor export bans. So are American companies.
Inside China Business
74.6K subscribers

 
Oct 14, 2024
US-led export bans on high-end semiconductors were intended to slow China's development of their own chip industry.   These restrictions have clearly backfired, as Chinese companies are quickly innovating through chipmaking milestones much faster than anticipated.

The restrictions have also led companies to find creative work-arounds to access chips on the market.  Western companies legally buy the fastest chips and install them on servers, which are then leased to Chinese firms to do cutting-edge work. 

Other approaches involve simply setting up new corporate divisions in China, or relocating existing ones, to place operations beyond the reach of US regulators.

In an ironic twist, market prices for the fastest US-built semiconductors are lower in China than in the US, as fierce competition from Huawei is forcing aggressive price cuts by dealers and cloud servicers.


https://youtu.be/6d2CJrodL98
 CHIPS Act update: Intel runs out of time and money, announces layoffs in US to double down on China

Inside China Business
74.6K subscribers
 
74,741 views  Aug 5, 2024
As Intel and other US chipmakers were claiming billions of dollars in incentives under the CHIPS Act, they were quietly building separate Venture Capital arms to invest billions of dollars into hundreds of Chinese startups.  These partnerships were in the most cutting-edge fields, including Artificial Intelligence, Semiconductors, Edge Computing, Virtual Reality, and Electric Vehicles. 

What's more, investments by Intel's VC arms were in partnership with local Chinese governments.

The US Treasury department is urgently issuing new regulations and guidance to ban US companies from these practices, while also struggling to convince companies in friendly countries to forego billions of dollars in sales and profits in the China market, by far the world's largest.



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Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on October 15, 2024, 09:26:48 AM


Japanese and US car makers tear down new Chinese EV cars. They are shocked and scared. The cars are good.

https://youtu.be/_cNNijh_4tc
Japanese teardowns of Chinese electric vehicles by BYD and Nio stun car parts executives in Nagoya
Inside China Business

     
Oct 15, 2024
An exhibition in central Japan showcases tens of thousands of parts, stripped from the world's top-selling models.  Japanese car parts manufacturers were stunned at the advances of Chinese brands BYD and Nio.

Chinese carmakers hold costs down through engineering advances in parts assembly, and with a far higher degree of vertical integration of production.  Chinese companies integrate multiple components into one part, and then standardize those integrated parts across multiple car models.   This results in far fewer parts per car, faster manufacturing time, and lower vehicle weight.

Industry insiders are increasingly critical of top executives in the US, Europe, and Japan who have been blindsided by Chinese ascent and near-domination of the global car industry.  Consultants and engineering experts in China have reported for years on Chinese monopolies of supply chains, engineering breakthroughs, and product quality.  Yet the CEO's and top officers of legacy car brands were seemingly unaware of key developments that were upending their own industry, and which now threaten their survival.

Resources and links:

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Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on October 15, 2024, 01:02:48 PM
Yeah, they copy what others do, apply cheap labor to it and have no regard for all the environmental regs et al and then flood them into other nations and destroy indigenous companies and then in turn put tariffs on those nation's imports to them...

Which is why Trump proposes to match those little commie devils tariff for tariff...

Only way to deal with those assholes...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on October 15, 2024, 01:31:52 PM
Yeah, they copy what others do, apply cheap labor to it and have no regard for all the environmental regs et al and then flood them into other nations and destroy indigenous companies and then in turn put tariffs on those nation's imports to them...

Which is why Trump proposes to match those little commie devils tariff for tariff...

Only way to deal with those assholes...

Yes they copy at first. Then they improve. Their EVs are better/cheaper than others now. This is the second video on recent tear downs. I am sure they copied all they could from Tesla.
The Inside China Business guy earlier said that Ford imported two cars and were scared at what they saw.
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on October 15, 2024, 05:34:43 PM


https://t.me/myLordBebo/47417
🇨🇳 China has completed the world's first fully unmanned paving construction project!

Unmanned construction drone swarms paved and rolled across a 157.79km stretch on the Beijing-HK Expressway, completing the world's first fully unmanned road paving project!

Humans were there to secure and observe in case something goes wrong, as with all autonomous projects in the beginning.
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on October 15, 2024, 05:41:12 PM


https://t.me/myLordBebo/47418

High-speed surface construction has extremely high requirements for rolling equipment and operation technology.

This time, multiple Sany high-end unmanned road equipment were used, including a 20-meter wide paver, six 13-ton double steel wheel rollers, and three 30-ton rubber wheel rollers.

The 1+3+3+3 lineup formed a huge construction fleet, and the standardized operation of the fleet was achieved by relying on intelligent scheduling algorithms.

https://t.me/myLordBebo/47419

https://t.me/myLordBebo/47420

Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on October 18, 2024, 11:27:32 AM
The kind of crap that can start wars...

https://www.theepochtimes.com/article/ccp-is-impersonating-americans-to-influence-2024-elections-5739796?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=TheLibertyDaily (https://www.theepochtimes.com/article/ccp-is-impersonating-americans-to-influence-2024-elections-5739796?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=TheLibertyDaily)

...if our government was serious about ending Chi-Com BS...they'd be making examples of a lot of their operators!!!

 ::noose::
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on October 23, 2024, 09:00:44 PM


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0wR08kv8pqA?feature=share (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0wR08kv8pqA?feature=share)
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on October 24, 2024, 08:19:14 AM
Oh, so sweet...

Bet folks in Taiwan who are pro-PRC get plum positions in the post-invasion occupation government too...

Yay...
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on October 31, 2024, 10:10:57 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-hemorrhages-third-all-billionaires-amid-property-market-crisis (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-hemorrhages-third-all-billionaires-amid-property-market-crisis)

Bummer, nothing more sad than a bankrupt Chinese Communist Billionaire...

/

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on November 01, 2024, 08:54:13 AM
Hilarious...China expects unilateral most favored nation treatment in all products...gets all butthurt and pissy when anybody else disagrees...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-urges-automakers-stop-investment-eu-countries-amidst-trade-war (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-urges-automakers-stop-investment-eu-countries-amidst-trade-war)

No idea how pulling out helps them but whatever...   ::hysterical::

Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on November 01, 2024, 11:28:20 AM


Mr Bald goes to China. He took a train from Vietnam.
I linked to where he visits some kind of dwarf theme park. Real dwarfs.
https://youtu.be/kGc3DM1qAf8?t=973
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on November 01, 2024, 11:40:19 AM


A cute part. He gets the hole in his sweater fixed
https://youtu.be/kGc3DM1qAf8?t=2338
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on November 18, 2024, 05:54:22 PM


I recall seeing news as a kid in the "weekly reader." Like this. some of these dates are old but explain why China needs dams.


In the last 100 years, China has experienced several devastating floods that have caused extensive loss of life, property damage, and displacement. Here are ten of the most deadly floods during that period:
1. 1931 Yangtze-Huai River Floods (Approx. 3.7 to 4 million deaths)
 
2. 1935 Yangtze River Floods (Approx. 145,000 deaths)

3. 1954 Yangtze River Flood (Approx. 33,000 deaths)

 
4. 1975 Banqiao Dam Failure Flood (Approx. 171,000 deaths)

5. 1998 Yangtze River Floods (Approx. 4,000 deaths)
 

6. 2010 Yangtze and Yellow River Floods (Approx. 1,000 deaths)
 
7. 1959 Yellow River Flood (Approx. 40,000 deaths)
 
8. 2003 Central China Floods (Approx. 1,000 deaths)
 

9. 2016 Yangtze River Floods (Approx. 300 deaths)
 
10. 1996 Heilongjiang Province Floods (Approx. 1,000 deaths)
 
Summary:

    The 1931 Yangtze-Huai River Floods remains the deadliest flood in Chinese history, with millions of fatalities.
    The Banqiao Dam failure in 1975 is another major disaster with a high death toll.
    Other significant floods, like those in 1998, 2003, and 2016, have caused widespread devastation, but with relatively lower death tolls compared to earlier events.
    Flooding along major rivers such as the Yangtze, Yellow, and Huai continues to be a serious issue due to seasonal rains and the impacts of climate change and infrastructure development.

also
2. 1938 Yellow River Flood

    Date: June 1938
    Estimated Death Toll: 500,000 to 900,000
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on November 19, 2024, 08:43:21 AM
Lessons learned?

Citizens - stay away from the %$#@ing rivers and communist engineering projects!

Communists - stay away from the %$#@ing rivers!

No, lessons not learned...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on November 19, 2024, 02:19:50 PM


Chinese are taking over the world without firing a shot.
https://youtu.be/DmEBypkuzbE
China’s Economic Genius Kicks U.S. Out of South America - Argentina Reveals The Truth
In a shocking move, Latin America is moving closer to China. Argentina's President, Milei, has made a U-Turn, seeking to bring his economy closer to Beijing. This realization extends to the rest of the continent. China's economic genius strategy has integrated its economy in the region. As a result, the US faces almost insurmountable odds.

Link to maps 2000 vs 2023
https://youtu.be/DmEBypkuzbE?t=384

Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on November 19, 2024, 02:37:36 PM


Chinese are taking over the world without firing a shot.
https://youtu.be/DmEBypkuzbE (https://youtu.be/DmEBypkuzbE)
China’s Economic Genius Kicks U.S. Out of South America - Argentina Reveals The Truth
In a shocking move, Latin America is moving closer to China. Argentina's President, Milei, has made a U-Turn, seeking to bring his economy closer to Beijing. This realization extends to the rest of the continent. China's economic genius strategy has integrated its economy in the region. As a result, the US faces almost insurmountable odds.

Link to maps 2000 vs 2023
https://youtu.be/DmEBypkuzbE?t=384 (https://youtu.be/DmEBypkuzbE?t=384)

 ::laughonfloor::

Boilerplate Maoism!

Sean Foo!

 ::hysterical::

Ho Li Fuc that so hilarious!

ETA - Sean Fool needs to comment on this...

China Puts Trump, Trade, and Foreign Business in the Crosshairs
by Gordon G. Chang
November 21, 2024 at 5:00 am

AstraZeneca confirmed this month that Chinese investigators had detained Leon Wang, president of the company's China business.

It is highly unlikely that AstraZeneca is the only pharmaceutical company guilty of shenanigans. Selective prosecution of foreigners is a Communist Party specialty.

Xi Jinping... hits foreign companies whenever he can. He took down the U.S.-based Mintz Group in March of last year and has not let up since.

Foreign pharmaceutical businesses are at special risk because they occupy a sector that Xi Jinping is determined to control. He is, infamously, the driving force behind Made in China 2025, the predatory ten-year plan to achieve dominance in ten key technology areas. One of those ten sectors is medicine and medical devices.

He [Xi Jinping] does not really believe in free trade, however: He really wants China to have unfettered access to other markets while denying others access to China's.

So Trump, despite his tariff promises, is not the one attacking the rules-based trading order.

The real culprit is Xi Jinping.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/21135/china-trump-trade (https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/21135/china-trump-trade)

Whoever China cannot buy, they bully!  Punk thug communism never changes the game plan, only the tactics employed to achieve the plan!

Which is why only Trump and MAGAnomics can even the playing field with the Commies...everybody else is either a whore or a rape victim...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on November 21, 2024, 03:06:40 PM

Yes. Xi does what he believes is best for China. US whining about it does nothing.
Free trade is harmful to the US.
China controls so much of pharma now the US is stuck in the short term.

The US sails its warships all over the place and flies its airplane all over the world.
Meanwhile China takes over the world. Xi just opened a large port in Peru. It will link to railways to go deeper into the land.


https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/explained-global/china-chancay-port-significance-us-concerns-9677863/
Chinese President Xi Jinping inaugurated Peru’s Chancay Port on Thursday (November 14), describing it as the starting point for a “new land-sea corridor between China and Latin America”.

Funded under China’s Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), the massive $3.6 billion project has also raised concerns in US policymaking circles over Chinese influence in a region traditionally seen as its backyard.

Apart from its geopolitical implications, the deep-sea port has been billed as a game-changer for South America. A 2023 article in The Diplomat said, “One of the most outstanding features of the Chancay New Multipurpose Port Terminal is its capacity to receive vessels of up to 18,000 TEUs (Twenty Foot Equivalent Units), the largest shipping vessels in the world. To date, no vessel of this size has not arrived in Latin America. This capacity will position Chancay as a strategic port on a global scale.”

https://youtu.be/b0jXWPDj-xg
The part about the surprising exclusivity clause is laughable. I am sure the lawyers can read.


Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on November 22, 2024, 09:32:43 AM
Whore or victim...
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on November 22, 2024, 09:33:44 AM
As for this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/chinese-agent-who-tried-bribe-irs-against-shen-yun-sentenced-20-months-prison (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/chinese-agent-who-tried-bribe-irs-against-shen-yun-sentenced-20-months-prison)

...public execution would have sent a clearer message.

Though maybe Xi don't care either way...billion more where these assholes came from...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on November 24, 2024, 01:25:48 PM
1/3 of new cars sold in Mexico are made in China. Next year?
500K cars from China sold in MX last year.
Can these enter the US? People could buy  in MX and drive to US?

Next likely they ship parts for assembly in MX for export to US.

https://youtu.be/aitlix5WYqY
How Chinese automakers took over Mexico's car market & shocked America
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on November 25, 2024, 08:55:06 AM
They'll be hit with tariffs once Trump is in, so if you want that cheap chi-com crap better get it now...

The Trump Effect is already influencing their thinking...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/11/23/fearing-trump-compliance-demand-mexico-quickly-looking-for-alternatives-to-chinese-parts-and-components/

Winning doesn't ever get old.   :D
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on November 27, 2024, 03:47:42 PM


US student studied in China for years but she went to Japan?  She marries a Japanese guy.

https://youtu.be/NMG7GCVfgeU
 How I Survived China's Top University as the Only American
Oriental Pearl

Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on November 29, 2024, 01:43:16 PM
In short, some US and western industries were hacked in a massive series of attacks. One US guy built an imaginary water treatment plant and put it on line. It was hacked. Much of the hacking was via phishing emails. Clever. Defense industries were hacked and the hackers often stayed for years to learn more stuff. Then the source of the hacks was itself hacked and  LOTS  of more material was found. It was the Chinese govt.

https://youtu.be/y27B-sKIUHA
The Hack That Made China a Superpower: Operation Shady Rat
Cybernews  13 min

366K subscribers
 
1,442,153 views  Oct 22, 2023
Operation Shady Rat - the hacking operation that changed the world forever. It all began in 2006, when an employee of a construction company in South Korea received an email with an attachment.

 The Hack That Made China a Superpower: Operation Shady Rat
Cybernews


00:00 Intro
01:54 How Operation Shady Rat Started
05:06 Unit 61398
07:56 Why Shady Rat Happened?
10:19 The New Rats
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on November 30, 2024, 02:06:55 PM


https://youtu.be/kwWur61HV-Q
 No antimony from China means no artillery shells for NATO, Ukraine
Inside China Business
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NATO arsenals are rapidly depleting, due to massive draws for wars in Ukraine and the Middle East.  The German army now only has enough munitions on hand to sustain combat operations for two days.

Especially critical is the shortage of artillery shells.  The United States and the EU have production orders for over 3 million shells.  However, munitions factories are already far behind, and China's recent export bans of certain rare earth elements, and of antimony, will make production of these munitions impossible in the short term.

Companies are scrambling to find investors to open new mining projects, and are careful to explain that these startup mining projects carry a great deal of risk:  permitting, environmental reviews, and surveying can take years; and, the commercial viability will be in doubt, given price and production advantages from existing mines in BRICS countries.


(https://imageio.forbes.com/specials-images/imageserve/6093186436c423202edd77be/Critical-mineral-antimony-global-supply-sources-/960x0.jpg?format=jpg&width=1440)

Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on December 02, 2024, 09:13:42 AM
China sucks.  Like to hack everything they have and shut them down.  No antimony, no problem...nukes don't need antimony...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on December 03, 2024, 02:19:14 PM


Annaleena is the new EU FM. She travels to China and scolds the Chinese. It does not end well.

https://youtu.be/6BcIHBBEqX4?t=1400
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on December 04, 2024, 08:22:59 AM
Hard to GAFF either way, both suck coming and going...
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on December 13, 2024, 09:18:19 AM
Funny, isn't it...we never hear the Chi-Com's piss and moan about tariffs by India & Vietnam...

https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/which-countries-are-putting-tariffs-chinas-tech (https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/which-countries-are-putting-tariffs-chinas-tech)

 ::pokeineye::
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on December 13, 2024, 04:39:51 PM
If you follow Inside China Business, he covers all  the China tariff and sanction issues Usually the sanctions make Chin stronger in some way.

I see headlines that China found some way to get to 3mm chips. we shall see.
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on December 20, 2024, 12:04:45 PM


US sanctioned China China replied by banning Gallium exports. They control maybe 95 pct of world production. US is screwed.

https://youtu.be/Qp4DNpJjHSs
 US price tag for China's gallium export ban: $602 billion and new monopolies for Huawei
Inside China Business
82.5K subscribers
Dec 20, 2024
In retaliation over semiconductor export bans, China banned exports of gallium.  A mere 30% reduction in gallium supplies to global markets would result in a $602 billion hit to the US economy alone, according to experts.

What's more, gallium is a critical component in 5G telecom gear, a market where Huawei already has large advantages and is believed to be at least a generation ahead of competitors outside China.  Gallium nitride allows for telecom gear to be made much lighter, resulting in far lower costs for installation, maintenance, and repair, and allows for lighter masts and poles.  For Huawei's rivals in the 5G space, such as Nokia and Ericsson, a gallium ban would put them even farther behind Huawei.

China controls over 95% of the global market for gallium, and the White House's own official analyses of China's gallium monopoly concluded that an export ban would result in crippling effects to a wide variety of US industries, including defense.
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on December 20, 2024, 12:07:09 PM
https://youtu.be/wu5vo0E0jMo
Why South America now does all its business with China: US companies, investors are dumb and lazy

In the past twenty years, China has become the leading trade partner for most of the countries in South America.  This is despite strong overtures by Latin America for increased trade and stronger ties with North America and Western Europe.

China has poured hundreds of billions of dollars of Foreign Direct Investment into South America.  China's Belt and Road Initiative involved large upgrades to South American ports, rail, and logistics systems, and dozens of Chinese companies invested heavily into factories and smart cities.

In contrast, the American government has shunned taxpayer-subsidized loans and investment, because most of South America are too wealthy to qualify as charity cases. 

But Wall Street, private equity, and major US engineering firms are also, strangely, staying home instead of bidding on these multi-billion dollar construction jobs.  And American companies are also pulling back and out of South America, even as the region is experiencing a major boom in household incomes and middle class growth.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on December 20, 2024, 02:09:18 PM


US sanctioned China China replied by banning Gallium exports. They control maybe 95 pct of world production. US is screwed.

https://youtu.be/Qp4DNpJjHSs
 US price tag for China's gallium export ban: $602 billion and new monopolies for Huawei
Inside China Business
82.5K subscribers
Dec 20, 2024
In retaliation over semiconductor export bans, China banned exports of gallium.  A mere 30% reduction in gallium supplies to global markets would result in a $602 billion hit to the US economy alone, according to experts.

What's more, gallium is a critical component in 5G telecom gear, a market where Huawei already has large advantages and is believed to be at least a generation ahead of competitors outside China.  Gallium nitride allows for telecom gear to be made much lighter, resulting in far lower costs for installation, maintenance, and repair, and allows for lighter masts and poles.  For Huawei's rivals in the 5G space, such as Nokia and Ericsson, a gallium ban would put them even farther behind Huawei.

China controls over 95% of the global market for gallium, and the White House's own official analyses of China's gallium monopoly concluded that an export ban would result in crippling effects to a wide variety of US industries, including defense.

Pah!  Where do all those recycled cell phones et al go?  China?  BS! 
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on December 20, 2024, 02:11:50 PM
https://youtu.be/wu5vo0E0jMo
Why South America now does all its business with China: US companies, investors are dumb and lazy

In the past twenty years, China has become the leading trade partner for most of the countries in South America.  This is despite strong overtures by Latin America for increased trade and stronger ties with North America and Western Europe.

China has poured hundreds of billions of dollars of Foreign Direct Investment into South America.  China's Belt and Road Initiative involved large upgrades to South American ports, rail, and logistics systems, and dozens of Chinese companies invested heavily into factories and smart cities.

In contrast, the American government has shunned taxpayer-subsidized loans and investment, because most of South America are too wealthy to qualify as charity cases. 

But Wall Street, private equity, and major US engineering firms are also, strangely, staying home instead of bidding on these multi-billion dollar construction jobs.  And American companies are also pulling back and out of South America, even as the region is experiencing a major boom in household incomes and middle class growth.

What kind of tax breaks, reg breaks and other perks come with that, eh?

It's not like they aren't going in there unless they can sustain long-term foothold...

How come we never get told the full picture?

Besides, any MFG there trying to export here...could hit tariffs on entry, so who do they sell to?
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on December 20, 2024, 04:17:32 PM
https://youtu.be/wu5vo0E0jMo
Why South America now does all its business with China: US companies, investors are dumb and lazy

In the past twenty years, China has become the leading trade partner for most of the countries in South America.  This is despite strong overtures by Latin America for increased trade and stronger ties with North America and Western Europe.

China has poured hundreds of billions of dollars of Foreign Direct Investment into South America.  China's Belt and Road Initiative involved large upgrades to South American ports, rail, and logistics systems, and dozens of Chinese companies invested heavily into factories and smart cities.

In contrast, the American government has shunned taxpayer-subsidized loans and investment, because most of South America are too wealthy to qualify as charity cases. 

But Wall Street, private equity, and major US engineering firms are also, strangely, staying home instead of bidding on these multi-billion dollar construction jobs.  And American companies are also pulling back and out of South America, even as the region is experiencing a major boom in household incomes and middle class growth.

What kind of tax breaks, reg breaks and other perks come with that, eh?

It's not like they aren't going in there unless they can sustain long-term foothold...

How come we never get told the full picture?

Besides, any MFG there trying to export here...could hit tariffs on entry, so who do they sell to?

China is now the leading trade partner for south america. In one Inside China Business video he reports that Panama wanted a bridge built over the canal that would cost over $1B. The US amb cold called Bechtel etc and there was no interest so China will  build it.

Also this is a huge port.  It will bypass other pacific ports including US for cargo going to south america. This cuts 10 days off previous time.
https://t.me/brianlovethailand/3566
First direct cargo shipment from Peru's Chancay Port reaches Shanghai

The first direct cargo shipment arrived in Shanghai from the Chancay Port in Peru on Wednesday, marking the two-way connection of the maritime route between the Chinese and Peruvian ports.

Loaded with 20,000 tonnes of Peruvian fruits such as blueberries, avocados, grapes and mangoes, the "Xin Shanghai" container ship, operated by China COSCO Shipping, arrived at the Yangshan Port in Shanghai after a 23-day journey from the Chancay Port. The journey opened the first operational sea link between Shanghai and the Chancay Port, a newly-inaugurated flagship project of the Belt and Road cooperation between China and Peru.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on December 21, 2024, 10:25:21 AM
https://youtu.be/wu5vo0E0jMo
Why South America now does all its business with China: US companies, investors are dumb and lazy

In the past twenty years, China has become the leading trade partner for most of the countries in South America.  This is despite strong overtures by Latin America for increased trade and stronger ties with North America and Western Europe.

China has poured hundreds of billions of dollars of Foreign Direct Investment into South America.  China's Belt and Road Initiative involved large upgrades to South American ports, rail, and logistics systems, and dozens of Chinese companies invested heavily into factories and smart cities.

In contrast, the American government has shunned taxpayer-subsidized loans and investment, because most of South America are too wealthy to qualify as charity cases. 

But Wall Street, private equity, and major US engineering firms are also, strangely, staying home instead of bidding on these multi-billion dollar construction jobs.  And American companies are also pulling back and out of South America, even as the region is experiencing a major boom in household incomes and middle class growth.

What kind of tax breaks, reg breaks and other perks come with that, eh?

It's not like they aren't going in there unless they can sustain long-term foothold...

How come we never get told the full picture?

Besides, any MFG there trying to export here...could hit tariffs on entry, so who do they sell to?

China is now the leading trade partner for south america. In one Inside China Business video he reports that Panama wanted a bridge built over the canal that would cost over $1B. The US amb cold called Bechtel etc and there was no interest so China will  build it.

Also this is a huge port.  It will bypass other pacific ports including US for cargo going to south america. This cuts 10 days off previous time.
https://t.me/brianlovethailand/3566
First direct cargo shipment from Peru's Chancay Port reaches Shanghai

The first direct cargo shipment arrived in Shanghai from the Chancay Port in Peru on Wednesday, marking the two-way connection of the maritime route between the Chinese and Peruvian ports.

Loaded with 20,000 tonnes of Peruvian fruits such as blueberries, avocados, grapes and mangoes, the "Xin Shanghai" container ship, operated by China COSCO Shipping, arrived at the Yangshan Port in Shanghai after a 23-day journey from the Chancay Port. The journey opened the first operational sea link between Shanghai and the Chancay Port, a newly-inaugurated flagship project of the Belt and Road cooperation between China and Peru.

 Bad example to answer my question...

 Choosing not to participate in a bid isn't analogous to winning a competition...except maybe for commies!   ::hysterical::
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on December 27, 2024, 10:56:05 PM

Another video on the Chinese built port in Peru. Also proposed RR routes north and south along the coast plus RR and hwys to Brazil.

https://youtu.be/Nt5B5baiSc4

Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on January 03, 2025, 08:49:07 AM
The can-kicking commies IMO are more overextended than anybody...

https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/years-repeat-central-planning-mistakes-have-doomed-chinas-economy (https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/years-repeat-central-planning-mistakes-have-doomed-chinas-economy)

...if exports dip at all, they effed nine ways to Sunday!  And even then the inevitable still awaits...

Xi and the CCP - (https://m3.gab.com/media_attachments/a8/5f/49/a85f4988d57b7e216e6d03d37a27149d.jpg)
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on January 08, 2025, 05:08:57 PM


This guy says China outlaws bitcoin mining inside of China BUT they are the leading supplier of most bitcoin mining rigs and also the ASICs used in them. Also,, you need cheap electricity to make bitcoin mining profitable and China has cheap electricity.

https://youtu.be/kkmB9fC5SZk
The whole world now wants to mine Bitcoin. Will China let them?

Bitcoin was the best-performing asset class across US markets in 2024, and since inception has increased in value over a thousand times.

Now global central banks, sovereign governments, and even key members of the US Congress and Federal Reserve are racing to build a "strategic reserve" of Bitcoin. 

One of Bitcoin's most attractive features to investors is that its total supply is capped, at 21 million BTC.  Over time, Bitcoin become increasingly more difficult to "mine", requiring ever-higher volumes of electricity and computing power.  For the countries that can mine the remaining BTC faster and more efficiently, the advantages are obvious, and enormous.

Bitcoin is banned in Mainland China.  Ironically, however, China has a near-total monopoly on the mining rigs that mine the Bitcoin.  Almost all the hardware is built here and exported, and 98% of the advanced semiconductor chips used in mining rigs are Chinese.

China, then, finds itself in a strange position:  though the country forbids Bitcoin mining and trade in-country, it can exert great influence in determining where the ever-diminishing supply of new Bitcoins will be created, and by whom.

Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on January 09, 2025, 08:06:15 AM


This guy says China outlaws bitcoin mining inside of China BUT they are the leading supplier of most bitcoin mining rigs and also the ASICs used in them. Also,, you need cheap electricity to make bitcoin mining profitable and China has cheap electricity.

https://youtu.be/kkmB9fC5SZk
The whole world now wants to mine Bitcoin. Will China let them?

Bitcoin was the best-performing asset class across US markets in 2024, and since inception has increased in value over a thousand times.

Now global central banks, sovereign governments, and even key members of the US Congress and Federal Reserve are racing to build a "strategic reserve" of Bitcoin. 

One of Bitcoin's most attractive features to investors is that its total supply is capped, at 21 million BTC.  Over time, Bitcoin become increasingly more difficult to "mine", requiring ever-higher volumes of electricity and computing power.  For the countries that can mine the remaining BTC faster and more efficiently, the advantages are obvious, and enormous.

Bitcoin is banned in Mainland China.  Ironically, however, China has a near-total monopoly on the mining rigs that mine the Bitcoin.  Almost all the hardware is built here and exported, and 98% of the advanced semiconductor chips used in mining rigs are Chinese.

China, then, finds itself in a strange position:  though the country forbids Bitcoin mining and trade in-country, it can exert great influence in determining where the ever-diminishing supply of new Bitcoins will be created, and by whom.

Well, yeah...they don't have psychotic EPA, state EPA's and sundry protesting little sh*ts to deal with!

Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on January 09, 2025, 02:01:15 PM


https://t.me/Slavyangrad/117019
"Chinese airlines rush into Europe as Western carriers retreat": Britons count losses and are outraged by Russia's cynicism in responding to a ban on flights over Europe.

"China's largest airlines Air China, China Eastern and China Southern are rapidly expanding routes and capacity to Europe amid a ban on European carriers crossing Russian airspace. The ability to fly over Russia has given Chinese airlines a serious price advantage over their competitors.
In 2022, Moscow banned most European airlines from Russian airspace, a response to Western sanctions that increased flight times to Asian destinations, including China. The measure has also driven up airlines' fuel costs.
Chinese airlines, which are not affected by the ban on flights in Russian airspace, have rushed to fill the resulting "gap" by increasing capacity and starting to offer cheaper tickets. "European carriers are simply not competitive," said David Yu, an aviation industry expert at New York University in Shanghai"
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on January 10, 2025, 07:55:25 AM
I find myself totally uninterested in that...

I suspect a common response by most Americans...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on January 10, 2025, 08:52:30 AM
I find myself totally uninterested in that...

I suspect a common response by most Americans...

BTW flights over Siberian airspace cut lots of miles off many routes.
I find the whining funny.
EU bans RU flights over EU.
RU then bans EU flights over RU.
RU allows China flights over RU to EU.
EU whines about it.
What did they expect?
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on January 10, 2025, 05:42:04 PM


A video blogger goes to Uighur country in China. He is better than usual.
https://youtu.be/LQGvzrDa_wc
 The Part Of China You're Not Supposed To See 📹 (#203)
Sabbatical
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on January 15, 2025, 01:07:59 PM


China just announced a $1 trillion dollar trade surplus.
I learned that China has only 1 time zone. Solar noon is at 12 noon in Shanghai 120 deg longitude and 3 PM in the far west.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on January 15, 2025, 01:27:25 PM
I am thinking that is going to experience a serious dip in 2025...

 ::whoohoo::
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on January 18, 2025, 07:28:11 PM

I have been hearing the Chinese economy will crash for decades now. Maybe it will.

The US sanctions on Chinese AI seem to backfire. We are screwed. Around 15 years ago some guy from South Africa jaywalked in China. Facial recognition SW caught him fined him and took the fine out of his bank account.

Now?
https://youtu.be/yEkAdyoZnj0 (https://youtu.be/yEkAdyoZnj0)
Why China is racing ahead in AI, and in everything else: their whole economy is open source
Tech industry insiders are shocked at China's rapid progress in Artificial Intelligence, especially given our export bans on the fastest semiconductors. 

In the most recent development, DeepSeek introduced their AI model that outperforms the ones developed by Facebook (Meta) and ChatGPT (OpenAI). 

DeepSeek's model was developed with less than 9% of the computing hours thought necessary to build such a rich model, and at an astonishing cost of just $6 million.



https://www.axios.com/2025/01/17/deepseek-china-ai-model?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-us (https://www.axios.com/2025/01/17/deepseek-china-ai-model?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-us)
Stunning stat: Training V3 cost DeepSeek roughly $5.6 million, according to the company.

    OpenAI, Google and Anthropic have reportedly spent hundreds of millions of dollars to build and train their current models, and expect to spend billions in the future.
    AI pioneer Andrej Karpathy called DeepSeek's investment "a joke of a budget" and described the result as "a highly impressive display of research and engineering under resource constraints."


Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on January 20, 2025, 08:42:00 AM
They don't get the latest and greatest chips of Nvidia et al...

And leading in totalitarian exploitation of technology I would argue is nothing to brag about...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on January 20, 2025, 10:49:20 AM

Inside China Business guy told how they evaded earlier Nvidea sanctions I recall they had other countries maybe even Australia buy the chips and systems then Chinese researchers would log in from China.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on January 20, 2025, 11:17:46 AM
I doubt that...

We know who they were sold to, if diverted you'd never hear the repercussions but they would be there...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on January 26, 2025, 06:30:38 PM


A while back Eric Schmidt said the US had a 2-3 year lead on China in AI. Recently he said "never mind."
In short China developed a LLM almost as good as the best US LLM but done quick and much cheaper.

This guy is not an expert but lives in China. He kept his investment push to the very end thank God.

https://youtu.be/OC2J-0vlhy8?t=430 7:10  Why US is scared. Why US CEOs are scared/

https://youtu.be/OC2J-0vlhy8?t=564 link to the two charts. Chinese deep seek is 30x cheaper. At 9:24

Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on January 26, 2025, 06:38:51 PM


US threat to tik tok has driven US users to try red note, a Chinese app.  I had watched countless video blogs from two guys in China who now live in US and bash CCP all the time. So i understand the new US users amazement in using red note. Long ago I thought China was like NK  and people lived on eating grass.

https://youtu.be/K4ovKtlZCEE

Red Note Exposed the Truth About China...Trump Now Has a MASSIVE Problem!

Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on January 27, 2025, 09:12:11 AM


A while back Eric Schmidt said the US had a 2-3 year lead on China in AI. Recently he said "never mind."
In short China developed a LLM almost as good as the best US LLM but done quick and much cheaper.

This guy is not an expert but lives in China. He kept his investment push to the very end thank God.

https://youtu.be/OC2J-0vlhy8?t=430 (https://youtu.be/OC2J-0vlhy8?t=430) 7:10  Why US is scared. Why US CEOs are scared/

https://youtu.be/OC2J-0vlhy8?t=564 (https://youtu.be/OC2J-0vlhy8?t=564) link to the two charts. Chinese deep seek is 30x cheaper. At 9:24

Yeah, well...that's what the recent excitement is all about...  Gosh, where have we seen this before?  Cheap product out of communist China flood markets and prodders claim the AI race is over and the West lost...

 ::ohno::

People need to relax, breathe...and try to think clearly.

IMO this is nothing to do with the Chi-Com's DeepSeek being better than ChatGPT or anything else...it is about PR and mucking with our markets...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/deepseek-pulls-rug-out-nvidia-asml (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/deepseek-pulls-rug-out-nvidia-asml)

I want to know, what cut-outs or direct players are shorting the Magnificient 7 stocks?  After all these companies are generating massive earnings, real money...and making gains in design and the ripple effect into downstream products has only just begun.  Some have called this a "Sputnik moment" and I think that is an apt comparison.

And with Trump trying to lead America in AI and Crypto and everything else I am not worried because we are proving out an entire productive line in AI...in the meantime if morons want a cheap commie made commie controlled chatbot to play with...whatever, I am not impressed and I do not think the commies will get much further...

Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on January 27, 2025, 10:08:26 AM

This is a big deal.  Investors are asking why they should pay so much for AI when China can do it for less using fewer people and cheaper chips.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on January 27, 2025, 11:56:19 AM
Take cheap commie-fad AI chatbot, see if I GAFF!

I've never trusted a commie...and never will...

(https://m3.gab.com/media_attachments/71/d9/1c/71d91ccef166d4fa0b7dddbf836b6f1c.jpg)

(https://m3.gab.com/media_attachments/16/91/bd/1691bde5e75eb82b4f346419f75cef8d.png)

 :D
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on January 28, 2025, 08:28:48 AM
DeepSeek Censors Answers
DeepSeek has been observed to avoid providing truthful answers if questions stray from the ideology of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). When asked about sensitive topics such as the Tiananmen Square massacre, Taiwan’s status, or President Xi Jinping, DeepSeek typically responds with “Sorry, that’s beyond my current scope. Let’s talk about something else.” This behavior indicates that the AI is programmed to censor or avoid questions that are considered politically sensitive or critical of the CCP.

For example, when asked about the Tiananmen Square massacre, DeepSeek initially attempts to provide an answer but then quickly replaces it with the aforementioned message. Similarly, when questioned about Taiwan’s independence or President Xi Jinping, DeepSeek either refuses to answer or provides responses that align with the CCP’s official stance.

This behavior has raised concerns about the reliability and neutrality of DeepSeek as an AI tool, particularly for users outside of China who might expect more balanced and comprehensive responses.

Chi-Com GIGO-bot!

B-b-b-but it's cheap!

 ::bus::

This is all a PR stunt.  Like I said, I want fingerprints on Mag7 short-sellers!
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on January 28, 2025, 11:12:52 AM
Yeah, how many illegal Nvidia H100's they abscond with?

Also...

https://nitter.poast.org/BillAckman/status/1884012625518031344#m

Only an idiot would use this BS!
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on January 28, 2025, 01:24:23 PM

I do not understand this stuff.
Some retired MS engineer said he ran the SW on his computer.  There are different sized models.

He said that he asked it about a photo of  man standing in front of   tank. He was told about Tienanmen square and the censorship.

He said he ran it locally and if on line the results might be different. He also said that because it was open source that  censorship  would be transparent.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on January 28, 2025, 01:37:24 PM
Commies suck and can never be trust, period!
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on January 28, 2025, 02:27:38 PM

(https://preview.redd.it/my-dad-despises-electric-cars-and-says-they-are-made-by-v0-h9zhyqpoapfe1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=d16d596e93d9e3a7a938d12c7da1249e02175d57)
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on January 30, 2025, 01:57:40 PM

1/4 of Nvidea chips go to Singapore. 75 percent of people there are Chinese.
https://t.me/myLordBebo/57296
🇺🇸🇨🇳 In a global economy you cannot control exports. Deal with it.

Doesn’t matter if some go through Singapore, Poland, India or whatever.

You can buy them in Argentina, load on a returning cargo ship and done.

?? They can’t even stop sanction oil sales and these are obvious.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on January 30, 2025, 04:02:27 PM
Kill switches...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on February 07, 2025, 09:29:19 PM

I like the kindergarten at 6 min in.

https://youtu.be/FR1VKNBe_Cs
Chinese Kindergarten Kids SHOCK The World - This Is How China Is Taking Over The World

Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on February 08, 2025, 05:03:41 PM

I heard that the Chinese somehow used ChatGPT and others to train their system. It was the low cost that shocked people.
People say that the US models stole lots of data from FB and the like. then China used those models to train theirs.

The Chinese open source model means that people in US can compile and run in locally, detecting any attempts to steal privacy data or results. If run elsewhere then all bets are off. That goes for Chinese and US models. US "Open AI" was supposed to be open but is now closed.

Russians have some strengths. Metallurgy is one. Market economics are a plus but so it culture. USSR and Russia gives pride of place to engineers and weapons developers. US had names like colt and browning. No more. Read up on the sidewinder some time. Engineers vs grift.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on February 09, 2025, 07:07:57 PM
Commies steal, and they lie...I don't believe most of what they say...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on February 21, 2025, 09:11:27 PM
In short, the Chinese imperial exam system ran for 1500 years. In part this selected for IQ which is partly hereditary. Men who scored well could get good jobs and could have more children. Say around 45 generations of this. If these were lab rats we know what the result would be. Smarter rats. IMO this created smarter Chinese.

ChatGPT.
Formal Establishment (Sui Dynasty, 605 CE) – Emperor Yang of Sui introduced a structured examination system.
Expansion (Tang Dynasty, 7th century CE) – The exam system became more influential, testing candidates on Confucian classics, poetry, and governance.
Golden Age (Song Dynasty, 10th–13th century CE) – The system became the primary path to government positions, with an increased emphasis on essays and Confucian philosophy.
Ming and Qing Dynasties (14th–19th century CE) – The exam system reached its peak, with local, provincial, and national levels, including the prestigious jinshi (??) degree.
Abolition (1905, Late Qing Dynasty) – The system was officially abolished in 1905 as part of modernization reforms.


The Imperial Examination System in China had a significant impact on the reproductive success of those who passed the exams, particularly those who achieved the highest ranks. Several studies in historical demographics suggest that men who passed the exams tended to father more children on average than those who did not. Here’s why:
1. Higher Social Status & Marriage Opportunities

    Success in the keju (??) system granted men access to elite government positions, which came with high salaries and prestige.
    Higher-ranking scholars, especially jinshi (??) degree holders, were more likely to marry multiple wives or concubines, increasing their number of offspring.

    Families sought to marry their daughters to successful scholars, ensuring their children would be raised in a literate and influential household.

2. Economic Stability & Childbearing Capacity

    Passing the exams often led to government appointments, securing wealth and land, which allowed for larger families.
    Economic security reduced infant mortality rates and allowed for more resources to be invested in raising children.

3. Polygyny Among the Elite

    Successful scholars could afford concubines, which further increased the number of children they fathered.
    In contrast, men who failed the exams had fewer financial resources, limiting their ability to support multiple wives and large families.

4. Selection Pressure for Scholarly Families

    The exam system indirectly created a form of cultural eugenics, where literacy and intelligence became advantageous traits for reproduction.
    Elite families often prepared their sons from a young age for the exams, creating multi-generational scholarly lineages.

Empirical Evidence

    Some historical analyses (such as studies based on genealogical records from the Qing Dynasty) show that jinshi degree holders had more children on average than lower-degree or non-degree holders.
    A 2019 study on Chinese elite reproduction found that successful exam candidates were more likely to have multiple wives and more offspring than those who failed.


Conclusion

The Imperial Examination System was not just a mechanism for social mobility but also played a crucial role in shaping demographic and genetic trends in China. Those who passed the exams generally had more children, reinforcing a scholarly elite class across generations.

Studies suggest that intelligence has a heritability of 50% to 80%, meaning half or more of the differences in intelligence among individuals are due to genetics.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on February 24, 2025, 08:09:00 AM
Yeah, so smart they build cities for nobody and bridges to nowhere...but control every aspect of existence, every flow of information and ever product and service and boat-rockers just disappear without a trace while they militarize like crazy with the help of idiotic nations and what they can't fund they steal...all with the goal of world domination...

Not a good use of intelligence for most of the rest of the world...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on February 24, 2025, 07:11:12 PM


some guy said when he went to Japan and korea they ask why the us allows Chinese students and employees in as they steal everything.
They say they do not make that mistake. 
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on February 25, 2025, 08:03:49 AM
That's an easy answer...

Treason by toxic-leftists and cucks...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on March 06, 2025, 05:55:54 PM


https://x.com/Eivor_Koy/status/1897358682138272045
A team of Chinese scientists and surgeons successfully conducted a minimally invasive "brain-spine interface" (BSI) surgery, restoring a paralyzed patient's ability to stand and walk within 24 hours post-surgery.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on March 06, 2025, 06:30:51 PM
What's the source of the tech?  Stolen no doubt!
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on April 10, 2025, 01:41:29 PM
China sucks, totally!

They call legit religions like Christianity "cults"...

https://discernreport.com/have-you-heard-about-the-absolutely-horrifying-things-that-are-being-done-to-christians-in-china/ (https://discernreport.com/have-you-heard-about-the-absolutely-horrifying-things-that-are-being-done-to-christians-in-china/)

...but the cult of socialism, in it's Godless Communist iteration and it's perverted Fascist iteration, has exterminated, mangled, beaten, abused and harmed more human life than any other cults combined!!!

And these immoral commie bastards do not give one single damn about other people's concerns over their dam's impact on them or their fracking environment!  A government that barely tolerates its own people...going to GAFF about others?  What, are people stupid?

https://www.asia-pacificresearch.com/china-plans-build-world-largest-dam/5632741 (https://www.asia-pacificresearch.com/china-plans-build-world-largest-dam/5632741)

Bangladesh can't do squat about it...India, however...can say "don't!", and if they ignore you tell them you'll wipe it out.

We shall see...

I'll bet dollars to doughnuts China pays off India somehow...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on April 15, 2025, 12:42:51 PM

https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1910968726649790833
Food delivery by drone in China. Video clip. Clever.
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on April 21, 2025, 09:26:11 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-economic-dire-straits-and-theyre-no-longer-able-hide-it (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-economic-dire-straits-and-theyre-no-longer-able-hide-it)

 ::smallestviolin::

Screw 'em.

Oh, and watch them closely, desperate socialist dictatorships often use military force to retain power...and would rather go scorched earth than prevent human suffering...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on April 21, 2025, 10:40:27 AM


https://www.business-standard.com/external-affairs-defence-security/news/china-non-nuclear-hydrogen-bomb-testing-capability-taiwan-us-cssc-125042000231_1.html (https://www.business-standard.com/external-affairs-defence-security/news/china-non-nuclear-hydrogen-bomb-testing-capability-taiwan-us-cssc-125042000231_1.html)
 Chinese scientists have successfully tested a non-nuclear hydrogen bomb amid the People's Liberation Army's (PLAs) push towards cleaner energy solutions. The move comes amid the US' increasing defence support to Taiwan, and China's quest for dominance in the South China Sea.
 
According to a report in South China Morning Post, the explosive device, weighing 2 kilograms, was developed by the China State Shipbuilding Corporation’s (CSSC) 705 Research Institute, which is known for its work in underwater weapon systems. Unlike traditional nuclear bombs, this device uses a magnesium-based solid-state hydrogen storage material known as magnesium hydride, which is capable of storing more hydrogen than pressurised tanks.

 Once activated, the magnesium hydride undergoes rapid thermal decomposition, releasing hydrogen gas that ignites into a sustained fireball exceeding 1,000 degrees Celsius for over two seconds—15 times longer than equivalent TNT blasts. This combustion results in extensive thermal damage, sufficient to melt aluminum alloys, and allows for precise control over blast intensity, achieving uniform destruction across vast areas.
 
How did China test the bomb?
 
According to a paper published in the Chinese-language Journal of Projectiles, Rockets, Missiles and Guidance, the test involved a series of experiments demonstrating the weapon's directed energy potential. Under controlled detonation, peak overpressure reached 428.43 kilopascals at two meters from the bomb. This was roughly 40 per cent as strong as a comparable TNT explosion, but the heat it unleashed reached far beyond what TNT can achieve.
 
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on April 21, 2025, 11:00:45 AM


Germany and USSR both used the Spanish Civil War to test weapons before WWII.....
Title: Re: China
Post by: Libertas on April 21, 2025, 02:58:51 PM
It's a type of thermobaric bomb, aka fuel-air bomb...all about heat and pressure...and I do not see how they tested, link doesn't like my ad-blocker, well TFB, not turning it off!

Any Joe Blow could make a crude thermobaric firecracker with household ingredients... hardly a technical achievement...the rarefaction effect is as dangerous as the pressure wave...

Russia had the Father of All Bombs in 2007 and America has the (MOAB) Mother a few year earlier, so congrats...you finished third!  (Both were HE & AI powder devices)

 ::hysterical::

And before that many nations had smaller variants of fuel-air bombs...

Mg-H systems have been discussed for at least the past 30 years...and there is stuff involving nanostructuration and catalysts impacting kinetic performance...

Anyway...it's use, like MOAB & FOAB still place them in a special category limiting their general use...though I don't expect the Godless Chi-Com's to care much about that...

They use that extensively on Taiwan for example...it might generate a ratcheting of kinetic angst in return...

Just sayin'...
Title: Re: China
Post by: patentlymn on May 05, 2025, 06:14:37 PM


Why do commies get all the good anthems? The Internationale.
https://x.com/CarlZha/status/1917415604912545835