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Topics => World/Foreign Affairs => Topic started by: Libertas on August 23, 2023, 01:28:49 PM
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https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/jet-carrying-wagner-chief-prigozhin-who-led-revolt-against-putin-crashes/articleshow/102994872.cms?from=mdr
Not doubting Putin wanted him dead...not discounting his possible role in it...
Right now details are scant...
Want bodies, teeth, DNA...proof...
Otherwise I will expect he and Putin faked this and we'll see him pop up in an unexpected quarter raising heck...
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Me too. I thought he was supposed to be in Africa.
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At this point it's looking like the entire top command of Russian mercenary outfit Wagner Group was aboard the private plane that was downed northwest of Moscow hours ago. Wagner itself is confirming Yvgeny Prigozhin’s death, with Wagner-affiliated Telegram channel Grey Zone calling it a "murder".
"The murder/assassination of Prigozhin will have catastrophic consequences. The people who gave the order do not understand the mood in the army and morale at all. Let this be a lesson to all. You always have to go to the end," the Wagner channel statement reads.
The bodies of Prigozhin and his second-in-command Dmitry Utkin, have reportedly been identified, according to statements which have been quick to come out of Russian media. Russian news agency TASS has also made it official: "Evgeny Prigozhin and Dmitry Utkin were on board the crashed Embraer plane, the Federal Air Transport Agency reported."
Russian authorities have said eight bodies have been recovered thus far. FT has summarized the following details of emerging Wagner statements:
A post by Grey Zone, a Wagner-connected social media channel, claimed Russian anti-aircraft defences had shot down the plane. It said that residents heard “two bursts of characteristic air defense fire” before the crash. “This is confirmed by inversion traces in the sky in one of the videos,” it added. Mash, a news outlet on social media app Telegram, said locals had heard two loud bangs before the crash.
The same report cited a Western official to say it was an anti-aircraft missile that struck the private jet:
A western official said they had been told the plane had been brought down by a Russian anti-aircraft missile system but could not confirm whether Prigozhin was on board, adding: "Putin doesn’t take prisoners."
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/prigozhins-dead-after-his-business-jet-10-people-board-has-crashed (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/prigozhins-dead-after-his-business-jet-10-people-board-has-crashed)
Damn, big fascist goon Utkin too...wow, not a total bust then...
https://twitter.com/i/status/1694407351552356820 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1694407351552356820)
https://twitter.com/i/status/1694393587155251665 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1694393587155251665)
https://twitter.com/i/status/1694390637918130682 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1694390637918130682)
Obviously and explosion in air...then it just augured straight down...
https://twitter.com/i/status/1694390751839314029 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1694390751839314029)
Such wanton disregard for the environment...oh and humans I guess too...
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1694398139124363412 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1694398139124363412)
And just because some mystery is always good...
https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1694396909362803181 (https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1694396909362803181)
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This is hilarious...
Putin at the Elite annual meeting of the Valdai Club in Sochi on Wagner Chief Prigozhin death: Wagner Leaders Got Drunk, High, & Played With Grenades Aboard Plane (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-prigozhin-death-wagner-leaders-got-drunk-high-played-grenades-aboard-plane).
Well, sheeeeit...what Russian doesn't like getting drunk and/or high and playing (Russian) roulette? ::hysterical::
Czar Vlad's victory lap.
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I think Putin planned to kill him but someone beat him to it.
He was responsible for killing 13 servicemen during the mutiny.
This killing was a little too sloppy for Putin's style. This guy could have disappeared in one of his trips to Africa.
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Maybe, maybe not...his quip about testing seemed to indicate a memory-hole desire...and not like crash investigations cannot be dictated...
What little evidence I saw seemed to indicate a missile hit...making it look state-driven...unless just anybody in Russia can have those...
I think a pal of his did the deed...
The grenade play gone bad story seems very taunting to me...
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Some aviation expert said it could have even been some structural failure but no missile.
The sudden nose down would have ripped the wings off at that speed he said.
I recall only one wing was ripped off?
I cannot remember the proposed reasons now. Explosion on board was not ruled out.
I recall some purported buyers were on board before take off, then left.