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Topics => Military News/Veterans => Topic started by: patentlymn on February 13, 2025, 04:21:50 PM
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Naval Disaster: USS Truman Collides Off Egyptian Coast | Bulk Carrier and US Aircraft Carrier
https://youtu.be/OqRe-ouavjw?t=367
It appears that the bulk carrier left the Suez Canal and headed through a large anchoring area full of ships.
The US aircraft carrier did not have transponder on even though it was not on a mission and headed into the large group of ships.
There was another US ship Dunham, destroyer that apparently had transponder on. Collision at 11:45 PM.
At 9 min he shows the concentration of ships.
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I dispute the term "Disaster"...
There were no injuries, no issues with the hull or flooding, propulsion...nothing affected...
https://news.usni.org/2025/02/13/breaking-uss-harry-s-truman-collides-with-merchant-vessel-in-mediterranean-sea
And it is not untypical for a carrier to have transponder off when sailing for obvious reasons...this also applies to the Amphibs, attack subs and certainly Boomers...escorts may or may not depending upon the situation, in a busy port area like this the Dunham squawking makes sense...and every Captain and their command crews should know general maritime rules for visual navigating unless they are an idiot...
Head-on approaches require both vessels to veer starboard so they pass each other on port side...crossing (perpendicular) encounters requires the starboard vessel to yield by going starboard or stopping, and there's over-taking rules for 135 degrees to stern that put the burden on the vessel doing the overtaking...
We need more data...
Not a "disaster"...an accident...more information will determine if anybody in either party is disciplined...
In the meantime I expect Truman will continue its mission...
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I just copied the "disaster" title from the YT video.
The maritime guy seemed to say that the carrier should have had the transponder on in that busy area and not in some declared operation.
There was a Norwegian/NATO frigate in busy fiord with transponder turned off. It hit a tanker and sunk. They were picked up on radar and the tanker was yelling at them over radio to turn to port or some such. They were ignored. Long ago I listened to the radio traffic.
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Well then he must have got called on it and changed his video title because it says "Naval Collision: Aircraft Carrier USS Truman & Panama-flag Bulk Carrier Collides Off Egyptian Coast" when I look at it...
As for the transponder...
Yeah, I'm a captain in a smaller ship...cannot see with my eyes or radar that big MFer out there...
::bus::
Can't wait to get more details...
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https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1890457399183700444
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GjxA_DuXQAEX5A8?format=jpg&name=small)
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Looks very non-critical...
That area is well above the water line, even a 25-30' swell would have a hard time reaching that high...and if the interior hatches secured absolutely no risk of a drop penetrating inside.
It looks to me to be aft of the island on the starboard side...
I was in a space once on the old Kitty Hawk (our beloved "sh*tty Kitty") that was about that high on the same side just ahead of the island and behind the elevator...as we steamed back home between Hawaii & San Diego we had an old fridge our decommissioning squadron couldn't give away to any other outfit on the ship...so we popped the hatch and pitched it into the ocean...
Anyway, in that pic hard to tell but it may have been a watch deck and/or platform to assist UnRep op's while at sea...neither of which looks hindered.
Wonder if the impact was a hit from the stern?
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More from the same guy.
https://youtu.be/ZBGytkUyZGY
USS Harry S. Truman Hull Pierced | Heading to Port for Damage Assessment | What May Have Happened?
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Yeah, read the USNI article...
https://news.usni.org/2025/02/16/uss-harry-s-truman-pulls-into-souda-bay-for-repairs-after-collision
Looks like I called the starboard aft of Island location correctly...the deck is a line deck so I got that right...the second pic for the aft starboard area by that incinerator exhaust...
(https://news.usni.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/8872562-1-1536x874.jpg)
Whoa. To me this indicates the Besiktas-M effed up, the USNI article says it "struck" the Truman which jives with that... Noting my earlier normal evasive maritime protocols...along side another ship you would not be turning to the starboard when basically being a head-on type collision case (their "cross" was too deep, rendering normal evasion wrong) you would turn into the other ship...the rules would flip from a starboard to a port evasion.
As for the tracking, well...carriers are lit up...other ship should be lit up...carriers not beeping is not unusual, the Besiktas not beeping is odd for a commercial vessel...
That Besiktas "got under" and scraped aft indicates they effed up, doubt Truman steamed straight and Besiktas did the same, a bow hit would have done a lot more damage to both when it hit Truman, and I suspect the Besiktas would have suffered a lot more. And Truman cannot turn hard enough to port in a short distance to swing its ass into the other ship so I think we can forget that possibility...
Anyway, folks were flown out to Souda and are working on it now.
On a side note the incinerator is at a different location on Nimitz class than the Kitty Hawk class ships...
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Carrier trivia. The spaceship in the movie silent Running was named valley forge. The movie was shot below decks in the USS Valley Forge before it was scrapped. The plot is stupid but the visuals and soundtrack are awesome.