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Topics => The "Educators" => Topic started by: LadyVirginia on January 20, 2012, 08:41:06 PM

Title: Do we need the Dept of Education?
Post by: LadyVirginia on January 20, 2012, 08:41:06 PM
An interesting and concise explanation in this month's Imprimis of why the answer is no.

THE CASE FOR the Department of Education could rest on one or more of three legs: its constitutional appropriateness, the existence of serious problems in education that could be solved only at the federal level, and/or its track record since it came into being.  (http://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2012&month=01)

Title: Re: Do we need the Dept of Education?
Post by: Pandora on January 20, 2012, 08:45:34 PM
Do we need .... ?  Like a heart attack.
Title: Re: Do we need the Dept of Education?
Post by: charlesoakwood on January 20, 2012, 08:58:51 PM

Is pouring money down a bottomless pit a good idea?
Title: Re: Do we need the Dept of Education?
Post by: BigAlSouth on January 21, 2012, 05:31:20 AM
What the Department of Education does:

It sets uniform requirements for states to follow and bribes them with federal tax dollars to follow such regulations. IOW, States take the money to do what the Feds tell them to do.

There is another such relationship as old as time: Prostitution.
Title: Re: Do we need the Dept of Education?
Post by: Glock32 on January 21, 2012, 08:01:57 AM
And it's not just education.  Pretty much all interaction between state and federal government is of that sort now. The states, intended by the Framers to be the principal governmental entity, are now essentially just administrative units of the federal government.

Another example is the drinking age.  It became almost universally 21 because the feds threatened to cut off highway funds to states that failed to conform to their standard. I know for a while Louisiana was a holdout, but I'm not sure if that is the case any more. Leviathan will brook no non-conformity.
Title: Re: Do we need the Dept of Education?
Post by: Predator Don on January 21, 2012, 12:53:39 PM
Pimp and hoes.
Title: Re: Do we need the Dept of Education?
Post by: Sectionhand on January 21, 2012, 02:25:30 PM
No .
Title: Re: Do we need the Dept of Education?
Post by: Castaway on January 21, 2012, 07:59:52 PM
Should have been done away with years ago. ::laserkill::
Title: Re: Do we need the Dept of Education?
Post by: Libertas on January 22, 2012, 12:24:22 PM
End it, don't mend it!

And, repeat that for all the other departments!

 ::whoohoo::
Title: Re: Do we need the Dept of Education?
Post by: ToddF on January 23, 2012, 09:24:07 AM
I managed to get most of my schooling in before it even existed. 
Title: Re: Do we need the Dept of Education?
Post by: LadyVirginia on January 23, 2012, 12:42:41 PM
I managed to get most of my schooling in before it even existed. 

So did a lot of people but to hear it now it can't be done.
Title: Re: Do we need the Dept of Education?
Post by: charlesoakwood on January 23, 2012, 01:08:07 PM

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In school, the young Edison's mind often wandered, and his teacher, the Reverend Engle, was overheard calling him "addled". This ended Edison's three months of official schooling. Edison recalled later, "My mother was the making of me. She was so true, so sure of me; and I felt I had something to live for, someone I must not disappoint." His mother homeschooled him
wiki

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[Henry] Ford attended a one-room school for eight years when he was not helping his father with the harvest. At age 16 he walked to Detroit to find work in its machine shops.
http://www.biography.com/people/henry-ford-9298747 (http://www.biography.com/people/henry-ford-9298747)

In Ford's time eight years completed one's secondary education.
Title: Re: Do we need the Dept of Education?
Post by: LadyVirginia on January 23, 2012, 01:54:25 PM

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In school, the young Edison's mind often wandered, and his teacher, the Reverend Engle, was overheard calling him "addled". This ended Edison's three months of official schooling. Edison recalled later, "My mother was the making of me. She was so true, so sure of me; and I felt I had something to live for, someone I must not disappoint." His mother homeschooled him
wiki

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[Henry] Ford attended a one-room school for eight years when he was not helping his father with the harvest. At age 16 he walked to Detroit to find work in its machine shops.
http://www.biography.com/people/henry-ford-9298747 (http://www.biography.com/people/henry-ford-9298747)

In Ford's time eight years completed one's secondary education.


Yep.  And were more accomplished than those who waste away for 12 + years today.  I'd mentioned it before but my grandfather finished 8th grade and went to work for a factory where he eventually became an engineer and had 19 patents.  My husband's grandfather quit 8th grade and ended up with his own remodeling business employing many people and raising a family and saving for retirement through investments.  I'm sure everyone of us here could share similar stories.  But too many now believe the only way to success is to get on the conveyer belt and ride through the education system and get that guaranteed bright future at the other end.