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Topics => Radical Islam/GWOT => Topic started by: trapeze on March 11, 2012, 10:52:09 AM
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Unlike the stupid koran burning, this is a real provocation (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17330205) and has the potential to get very, very nasty.
A US soldier in Afghanistan has killed at least 16 civilians and wounded five after entering their homes in Kandahar province, senior local officials say.
He left his military base in the early hours of the morning and opened fire in at least two homes; women and children were among the dead.
Nato said it was investigating the "deeply regrettable incident".
My son is stationed at the air base in Kandahar. It is the only base there so it had to happen out of there.
I have not heard from him since yesterday a few hours before this incident would have happened. His duty hours are from 2pm until 2am so he was going to sleep when this soldier left the base and started killing civilians. I hope to hear from him again today and I will update this story with any information I get from him.
In the meantime I would appreciate your prayers for the safety of him and his fellow troops. Mrs. trapeze is very worried.
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FNC story. (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/03/11/us-service-member-detained-for-allegedly-shooting-afghan-civilians-nato-says/)
This story is, of course, all over the media wire service reports.
The link in the previous post had a BBC video report with it.
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Unlike the stupid koran burning, this is a real provocation (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17330205) and has the potential to get very, very nasty.
A US soldier in Afghanistan has killed at least 16 civilians and wounded five after entering their homes in Kandahar province, senior local officials say.
He left his military base in the early hours of the morning and opened fire in at least two homes; women and children were among the dead.
Nato said it was investigating the "deeply regrettable incident".
My son is stationed at the air base in Kandahar. It is the only base there so it had to happen out of there.
I have not heard from him since yesterday a few hours before this incident would have happened. His duty hours are from 2pm until 2am so he was going to sleep when this soldier left the base and started killing civilians. I hope to hear from him again today and I will update this story with any information I get from him.
In the meantime I would appreciate your prayers for the safety of him and his fellow troops. Mrs. trapeze is very worried.
The prayers have been there since you told us that he was going.That saaid I wont believe a word that comes out of there about the shootings till I hear it fron the soldier involved we've all been here before only to find out that our guys were being shot at.
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Yup, what John said. Your young man is covered in prayer.
And I also am disinclined to believe a negative story about our military until it is proved to be as they say it is.
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::praying::
I, too, haven't forgotten he's there.
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We need to get our people the hell out of there. Incidents like this are just another sign that they have been put into an unwinnable situation. This is definitely going to make matters much worse. You combine ridiculous rules of engagement and the frustration that comes from seeing your side suffer casualties as a result, while the same RoE allow the enemy to slink back into the population, combine all that with heavy drinking, it's just a powder keg.
I blame the gutless suits in Washington for all of it.
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Many prayers for your son, Trapeze, and to all those serving there. This is not good.
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::praying:: ::praying::
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Your son is in our prayers, Trap. ::praying:: ::praying:: ::praying:: ::praying::
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Okay, an update.
Talked with my son on Facebook chat an hour ago.
He said that the situation was announced on base by the time he woke up (probably around noon local time because his shift starts at 2pm) so he had definitely heard about it right away. He said that it is essentially business as usual at the base, that there was no heightened alert status ("C'mon, Dad, I'm in a war zone. That's as heightened as it gets."). He also said that the soldier in question did not do this out of Kandahar Air Base but rather from a forward operating base in the vicinity of Kandahar. He did not know the exact location in relation to KAB.
His comments were more than a little comforting to his mother who has been worried sick about him.
That's all that I know at this point.
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Keep us updated on this please.
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Story here (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2113410/US-soldier-shoots-dead-16-Afghan-civilians-house-house-shooting-spree-suffering-mental-breakdown.html?ICO=most_read_module) from the Daily Mail with the usual vivid description and plentiful pictures that is not to be found in US MFM stories.
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We need to get our people the hell out of there. Incidents like this are just another sign that they have been put into an unwinnable situation. This is definitely going to make matters much worse. You combine ridiculous rules of engagement and the frustration that comes from seeing your side suffer casualties as a result, while the same RoE allow the enemy to slink back into the population, combine all that with heavy drinking, it's just a powder keg.
I blame the gutless suits in Washington for all of it.
I blame them as well G. And unfortunately this incident plays right into the Taliban, but so does Stymie so, bottom line, A-Stan is not going to be making a peaceful transition into a trustworthy nation, so it is not worth one more American life to stay there. Karzai & crew are making their bed, and they can die in it for all I care. But they'll die and not have us to blame.
I heard reports this shooter was injured in Iraq and had some head trauma and was on his 4th tour. Pushing our troopers to the breaking point is not helping things, you'd think anybody with head injuries would get shipped state side. Anyway, that will all sort itself out, botoom line I hope we get our people out ASAP. A-Stan is going to go down the sh*tpipe even faster now.
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Two Karzai brothers were paying their respects to the dead at a mosque
and they and their military guard were ambushed by some Tali-queders.
Curious.
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Two Karzai brothers were paying their respects to the dead at a mosque
and they and their military guard were ambushed by some Tali-queders.
Curious.
Link?
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http://gulfnews.com/news/world/afghanistan/attack-on-karzai-s-brothers-threatens-to-fuel-violence-1.994086 (http://gulfnews.com/news/world/afghanistan/attack-on-karzai-s-brothers-threatens-to-fuel-violence-1.994086)
Two brothers of President Hamid Karzai were leaving a village mosque where they attended a memorial service for 16 villagers killed when the Taliban insurgents opened fire.
Qayum and Shah Walid Karzai and other top Afghan officials in their delegation escaped in their cars unharmed from the ambush in the country's south.
But one Afghan soldier was hit in the head almost immediately and died, while two other personnel were wounded in the 20-minute firefight that ensued in one of the two villages in Kandahar province where the killings had occurred two days before.
The gunbattle came as images of the aftermath of the killings spread and the public reaction began to build.
In the east, students staged the first significant protest in response to the killings, raising concerns about a repeat of the wave of violent demonstrations that rocked the nation after last month's burning of copies of the Quran.
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http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/12/karzais-half-brother-assassinated-in-southern-afghanistan/ (http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/12/karzais-half-brother-assassinated-in-southern-afghanistan/)
President Hamid Karzai’s powerful half brother was assassinated Tuesday by a bodyguard at his home in southern Afghanistan.
Ahmed Wali Karzai, the head of the Kandahar provincial council, was shot twice — once in the head and once in the chest, according to hospital officials.
The motive of the killing has not been established, but his death served a new blow to U.S.-coalition efforts to curb violence and the government’s quest to gain control of this Taliban stronghold.
Hey, it's all America's fault, it's all that sergeant's fault. Cause there's nothing fishy going on at all, na aah.
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Gee, I wonder if it could be Taliban sappers in the Afghani ranks?
No, too diabolical for religion-of-peace types, yup, got to be the American's!
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Leave that sh*thole now!
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Get our boys out and turn the place into a sheet of glass.
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Get our boys out and turn the place into a sheet of glass.
^^ That. I'm done. They're done.
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Get our boys out and turn the place into a sheet of glass.
We should waste a few more of the ungrateful bastards before we leave !
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I was assuming the sheet of glass would have many carbon molecules fused into the silicon.
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Headline at Drudge has Panetta's arrival in Afghanistan greeted with a car bomb (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4194498/Suicide-attack-bid-on-US-Defence-Secretary.html) on the runway.
Smart power.
A vehicle got on to the runway and burst into flames as Mr Panetta's plane landed in Afghanistan this morning.
The drama unfolded just hours ago on the sprawling base — Britain's main outpost in the warzone.
Defence supremo Mr Panetta flew into Afghanistan today to quell fears after a US soldier went on the rampage killing 16 innocent Afghans.
But as his plane was landing a vehicle appeared on the runway and subsequently caught fire.
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I was assuming the sheet of glass would have many carbon molecules fused into the silicon.
That would be correct!!
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Headline at Drudge has Panetta's arrival in Afghanistan greeted with a car bomb (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4194498/Suicide-attack-bid-on-US-Defence-Secretary.html) on the runway.
Smart power.
A vehicle got on to the runway and burst into flames as Mr Panetta's plane landed in Afghanistan this morning.
The drama unfolded just hours ago on the sprawling base — Britain's main outpost in the warzone.
Defence supremo Mr Panetta flew into Afghanistan today to quell fears after a US soldier went on the rampage killing 16 innocent Afghans.
But as his plane was landing a vehicle appeared on the runway and subsequently caught fire.
Well hell, that's just the Afghani Welcome Wagon! Welcome to the party Leon.
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Headline at Drudge has Panetta's arrival in Afghanistan greeted with a car bomb (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4194498/Suicide-attack-bid-on-US-Defence-Secretary.html) on the runway.
Smart power.
A vehicle got on to the runway and burst into flames as Mr Panetta's plane landed in Afghanistan this morning.
The drama unfolded just hours ago on the sprawling base — Britain's main outpost in the warzone.
Defence supremo Mr Panetta flew into Afghanistan today to quell fears after a US soldier went on the rampage killing 16 innocent Afghans.
But as his plane was landing a vehicle appeared on the runway and subsequently caught fire.
Well hell, that's just the Afghani Welcome Wagon! Welcome to the party Leon.
Top secret trip got out exactly how? I can tell you,Karzai that's how.
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I was assuming the sheet of glass would have many carbon molecules fused into the silicon.
That would be correct!!
I say that theory needs testing. In the correct location, of coarse. ::overkill::
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Where's the kaboom? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8rYotiiFP8#)
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Get our boys out and turn the place into a sheet of glass.
^^ That. I'm done. They're done.
Totally agree. that is the only way to end it once and for all.
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Headline at Drudge has Panetta's arrival in Afghanistan greeted with a car bomb (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4194498/Suicide-attack-bid-on-US-Defence-Secretary.html) on the runway.
Smart power.
A vehicle got on to the runway and burst into flames as Mr Panetta's plane landed in Afghanistan this morning.
The drama unfolded just hours ago on the sprawling base — Britain's main outpost in the warzone.
Defence supremo Mr Panetta flew into Afghanistan today to quell fears after a US soldier went on the rampage killing 16 innocent Afghans.
But as his plane was landing a vehicle appeared on the runway and subsequently caught fire.
Well hell, that's just the Afghani Welcome Wagon! Welcome to the party Leon.
Top secret trip got out exactly how? I can tell you,Karzai that's how.
Before a "Townhall" type meeting between Panetta and Marines our guys were all ordered to dissarm . That's never been done before . When Panetta's afraid of his own troops he's got a problem ! ::saywhat::
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Headline at Drudge has Panetta's arrival in Afghanistan greeted with a car bomb (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4194498/Suicide-attack-bid-on-US-Defence-Secretary.html) on the runway.
Smart power.
A vehicle got on to the runway and burst into flames as Mr Panetta's plane landed in Afghanistan this morning.
The drama unfolded just hours ago on the sprawling base — Britain's main outpost in the warzone.
Defence supremo Mr Panetta flew into Afghanistan today to quell fears after a US soldier went on the rampage killing 16 innocent Afghans.
But as his plane was landing a vehicle appeared on the runway and subsequently caught fire.
Well hell, that's just the Afghani Welcome Wagon! Welcome to the party Leon.
Top secret trip got out exactly how? I can tell you,Karzai that's how.
Before a "Townhall" type meeting between Panetta and Marines our guys were all ordered to dissarm . That's never been done before . When Panetta's afraid of his own troops he's got a problem ! ::saywhat::
I know, I made a thread on that in the Military section -
http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,5131.0.html (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,5131.0.html)
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http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/content/2012/0313-taliban/11992073-1-eng-US/0313-taliban_full_380.jpg (http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/content/2012/0313-taliban/11992073-1-eng-US/0313-taliban_full_380.jpg)
These links no longer respond:
[blockquote]Taliban fire on Afghan officials at attack site - Boston.com
Mar 13, 2012 · BALANDI, Afghanistan—Two brothers of Afghan President Hamid Karzai were leaving a village mosque where they attended a memorial service for 16 villagers ...
http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2012/03/13/students_protest_us_soldier_who_killed_afghans/ (http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2012/03/13/students_protest_us_soldier_who_killed_afghans/)[/blockquote]
And this link:
[blockquote]Taliban fire on Afghan president's brothers at shooting memorial ...
Mar 13, 2012 · Two brothers of Afghan President Hamid Karzai were leaving a village mosque where they attended a memorial service for 16 villagers killed …
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0313/Taliban-fire-on-Afghan-president-s-brothers-at-shooting-memorial-service (http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0313/Taliban-fire-on-Afghan-president-s-brothers-at-shooting-memorial-service)[/blockquote]
And this link:
[blockquote]http://gulfnews.com/news/world/afghanistan/attack-on-karzai-s-brothers-threatens-to-fuel-violence-1.994086
Two brothers of President Hamid Karzai were leaving a village mosque where they attended a memorial service for 16 villagers killed when the Taliban insurgents opened fire.[/blockquote]
The Daily Caller link,
http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/12/karzais-half-brother-assassinated-in-southern-afghanistan/ (http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/12/karzais-half-brother-assassinated-in-southern-afghanistan/)
President Hamid Karzai’s powerful half brother was assassinated Tuesday by a bodyguard at his home in southern Afghanistan.
Ahmed Wali Karzai, the head of the Kandahar provincial council, was shot twice — once in the head and once in the chest, according to hospital officials...., still responds.
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Hamid Karzai is apparently too stupid to realize that his ass is toast when we leave ... or maybe he's planning to leave with us . Stymie may become "Travel Agent In Chief" !
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Screw 'em. He can dangle from a Kabul street light for all I care...
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Screw 'em. He can dangle from a Kabul street light for all I care...
" Karzai's head make damn fine ball ! "
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Screw 'em. He can dangle from a Kabul street light for all I care...
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Hamid Karzai is apparently too stupid to realize that his ass is toast when we leave ... or maybe he's planning to leave with us . Stymie may become "Travel Agent In Chief" !
A few years ago I had a small but rather unique opportunity. I got a chance to meet one of Hamid Karzai's nephews. He was in the United States studying going to college where he had befriended my brother. They were working as study partners learning law. A soft-spoken guy with one of the most intense gazes you'll ever see, he was committed to educating himself so that he could raise his country out of the stone ages.
He wasn't a fan of his uncle, but understood the delicate predicament that Hamid was in and consequently supported him (if reluctantly). Karzai is (probably more than any other man on the planet) caught between a rock and a hard place. His people are largely ignorant and insane, and (especially now) he is under the boot of foreign interlopers who are indifferent to his continued existence. I have to admit that I applauded when he told Øbozo to go screw himself a couple of years ago. Given the chance I would give one or more body parts to have that same opportunity.
Edit: altard-proofed
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Bush and Karzai had a workable understanding.
Obama destroyed the alliance, as he destroys all alliances with allies.
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Screw 'em. He can dangle from a Kabul street light for all I care...
" Karzai's head make damn fine ball ! "
;D
Better than Ootah!
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Screw 'em. He can dangle from a Kabul street light for all I care...
" Karzai's head make damn fine ball ! "
;D
Better than Ootah!
" Taliban always pissing downstream ! "
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Screw 'em. He can dangle from a Kabul street light for all I care...
" Karzai's head make damn fine ball ! "
;D
Better than Ootah!
" Taliban always pissing downstream ! "
Chasing our women, who are washing clothes, away from the river back to the village.