It's About Liberty: A Conservative Forum
Topics => 2nd Amendment/Firearms => Topic started by: robins111 on April 04, 2012, 08:29:44 AM
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After decades of having to put up with liberal firearms legislation in Canada, this week will likely see the end of their ruinous Long Gun Registry, which will dump that boondoggle. Canadian firearms owners are reloading for the challenge for other silly firearms laws which we will remove one by one.
I recently read that. your VP is trying to use the Florida shooting to force restrictions on the US, I can tell you from bitter experience that these laws are harder to get rid of than a tick. Good luck in this future fight.
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Congratulations on getting rid of the gun registration scheme up there.
Never fear, the VP is blowing smoke; dismantling obstructions to the Second Amendment here are about the only progress the Right HAS made.
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That long gun law up there was nuts, glad to see it go.
Our Veep has the intelligence of a Peep with twice the fat and none of the sugar!
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The idea of registering rifles and shotguns as part of some kind of crime-prevention measure goes 180ยบ against common sense.
Disarming people in itself goes against common sense from a liberty perspective and for all the reasons our 2A was established, but at LEAST those trying to ban handguns can draw some tenuous correlation between handguns and crimes. The same cannot be said for long guns, unless one is trying to prevent the occasional accident, and even then... a registry?
I never understood it, and I hope this repeal sticks for the sake of our friends to the North.
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As with the guns themselves, who does a registry target? The criminals with guns? No! Law-abiding citizens? Why are politicans and LEO's so fearful of law-abiding citizens? Why are law-abiding citizens treated like criminals who are not registering guns? Why are criminals carrying guns? Could it be because the authorities have disarmed law-abiding citizens, thus tilting the "playing field" to the criminals? A criminal is not going to stop being a criminal, NO MATTER HOW HARD POLITICIANS PUNISH LAW-ABIDING CICTIZENS BY DISARMING THEM! And Shame, SHAME on ANY LEO backing these absurdly insane politicians or thier retarded laws!
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I recently read that. your VP is trying to use the Florida shooting to force restrictions on the US...
Don't be too concerned. Our veep is still trying to puzzle out the correct way to hang a roll of toilet paper. He is still trying to figure out if it's "sock, sock, shoe, shoe" or "sock, shoe, sock, shoe."
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The Canadian Long Gun Registry was voted out of law tonight at 5:30 in the Canadian Senate. In a vote of 50 to 27 the legislation to abolish this travesty was approved. Thank you
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::bustamove:: ::newyear::
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::bustamove:: two decades I've been working to dump this travesty of legislation, but we are not done yet... we've had a half a century of liberal social engineering to get rid of.. ::bustamove::
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Y'all are on the right track soon we'll
get our train on it also.
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How hard is to become a Canadian citizen?? If the crap keeps up down here maybe I'll move to "The Great White North".
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::newyear::
Fantastic news!
As an aside did anyone hear PM Harper at the press conference when he was in Washington a few days ago? He made clear that Canada was going to exploit its petroleum wealth whether the USA plans to benefit from it or not. He has previously quipped that the US can make itself into a giant national park if it wants to, but Canada will not be following suit. It's when foreign leaders like this are here that Obongo's illegitimacy really sticks out like a sore thumb. The same was apparent when Netanyahu was in Washington.
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Glock, there's no one in Canada who wants to market oil to a scabby dictatorship like China, but we are a resource based economy. When the PM stated that they were opening the markets in Asia, he means all of asia, including India, Australia etc. This unfortunately was because of political nonsense going on with our best trading partners and regrettably it does have consequences. However on the plus side, its good hard cash being paid by the Chinese, which is going to be spent in the US, by Canadians as tourist dollars and/or direct purchasing. On some levels, you could say the credit dollars that the democrats are giving to China, are being returned to your country, abet through Canada first.
FYI, our Prime Minister has a history a lot like your Tea Party. He started out in an ultra conservative party called the reform party. They were created due to far to many, Red Tories (RINOs), which were the entrenched 'right wing party' and ultimately were able to form a government by amalgamation of the right wing into the new Conservative Party. The rest is history.. most Canadians believe that if the University elites, and the left wing media hate him, he's gotta be ok.
As to the questions about Canadian citizenship, I couldn't tell you, but I am astonished by the number of people who have dual Canadian American citizenship, so it can't be too difficult.
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How hard is to become a Canadian citizen?? If the crap keeps up down here maybe I'll move to "The Great White North".
If things go up in flames down here Canada's going to
have a tremendous illegal immigration problem and it
won't be Hadjis.
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How hard is to become a Canadian citizen?? If the crap keeps up down here maybe I'll move to "The Great White North".
If things go up in flames down here Canada's going to
have a tremendous illegal immigration problem and it
won't be Hadjis.
Bring lots of money. When Hong Kong fell to the ChiComms the property prices in Vancouver went nuts. If America falls then the price of entry will be through the roof.
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robins111, can you give us a rundown on C68? I'm reading some comments about it over at SDA. Is this some new onerous anti-gun regulatory scheme? Is it a bureaucratic retaliation for the end of the long gun registry?
The creep of statism never ceases. It's like The Terminator.
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Glock, the inventor of bill c-68 was a newly elected liberal socialists by the name of Allen Rock... He with a cadre of radical feminists, were able to use the actions of a school shooter named Marc Lepine, who shot 14 women in a university called ecol polytech in Montreal. This event took place about 4 years before Rock was elected and had already sponsored some restrictive legislation, (mag limitations, no 'assault rifles etc)
However, after Rock was elected, the liberals of the day saw a wedge issue, which would pit urban against rural, eastern Canada against the west. They particularly generated conflict between Quebec and English Canada, as this incident took place in Quebec. By failing to support this draconian legislation, you were disrespecting french Canadians... at least that was the meme.
The best simile I can give you for what followed would be if Obama got that Brady chick to write your gun laws. In our case the woman's name was Wendy Cukier, pronounced Kookier. She and several feminists organizations basically rewrote the firearms legislation for the then liberal majority government. Included was such things as bans on several classes of rifles (based on appearance) banning several calibers which they declared as unneeded, banning what they considered short barrel handguns, etc. All of these firearms were confiscated without compensation. Further they demanded that all firearms be registered in a national database for tracking purposes. They further made possible warrant less searches of private property. Failure to assist the police during these searches became a criminal offense. Immediately after assuring firearms owners that the registration would not lead to confiscation, they began a program of reclassification of various firearms and confiscated them, again with no compensation. The long gun portion of the registry became the straw that broke the camels back and ultimately resulted in the liberal party being reduced to rump status. The new conservative party campaigned on destroying the registry portion of c-68, which was well received by Canadians, the final part of this took place late this afternoon and the registry is essentially toast at midnight. Basically the registry is the key for all the laws, without it, bill c68 is a hollow shell. However the rest needs to go, and that's the next battle..
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Glock, as a follow up to the above, never ever allow your legislators to create a gun registry, it has no other purposes than to enable confiscation, there's no evidence that in the 17 years of its festering in Canadian law that it ever stopped a crime, nor was it ever used to convict a criminal, other than law abiding gun owners charged for paperwork violations, which were prosecuted under the criminal code of Canada... a. Felony charge in the US, for having the wrong papers.
Fight any attempt to enact such legislation, if you don't it'll be like hell on earth.
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Isn't our background check a virtual registry?
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Isn't our background check a virtual registry?
Yes I believe it is. ::cussing::
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The difference here is that there are enough gun owners who would not put up with confiscation of any kind. Any compensation would come in the form of the gun owner compensating the authorities with a few well aimed rounds. The authorities inherently know this and would be rather reluctant ("You go get his guns." "I'm not going up there...you go up there.") to attempt confiscation.
I'm not saying that all gun owners would resist with gun fire but there would be enough who would. Since gun owners in America vastly outnumber law enforcement it would be more than a little ugly for law enforcement.
Besides, they would have to overturn or somehow invalidate the 2nd Amendment. There are enough law enforcement people who wouldn't put up with that. Most gun owners know that the 2nd Amendment is the teeth of the Bill of Rights. Without gun ownership the rest of it is meaningless and unenforceable.
My parents, both Canadians, believed for most of their lives that the 2nd Amendment was stupid. Only in their later years did they realize its significance and value. Being born and raised in the States, I knew this truth instinctively. I began my gun collection in my early twenties. Both of my children have been trained in the proper and safe use of firearms. Well, actually my daughter is just now starting but she will be fully trained and familiar with firearms before she leaves our home.
I completely believe that our world would be infinitely safer (and profoundly more polite) if everyone owned firearms. For one thing, there would be a lot less (live) murderers, rapists and thieves. And that's what I call true social Darwinism.
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We have enough on our hands just keeping people on our so-called side of the aisle in line and not giving away the candy store let alone fending off the endless onslaught from the damned leftists...the unhelpfulness and hostility to gun rights by police chiefs and police unions has to be overcome, and I think getting the right people into our county Sheriff offices can help there, and I agree that introducing kids to guns and teaching them safe handling and respect like my generation was taught needs to be re-instituted on a broad scale. Perhaps then succeeding waves of generations can return us back to an America we could recognize.
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Libertas, its interesting that you brought up the police chiefs as a problem. During the course of the registry battle, it was discovered that the Canadian police chiefs association was receiving massive donations from the software firm which created the registry. This would be the same company which caused the costs to balloon from the original estimates of 2 million to 2 billion. Of course when challenged, they sniveled and whine about how dare we suggest they were unethical. It was so pathetic, that the associations paid ethics advisor resigned. The best way to describe the software boondoggle is to explain that the US has 1o times Canadian population, so multiply everything by 10. For example roughly 200,000 firearms were confiscated, times 10... 2 billion dollars times 10 etc.
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"Ethics advisor". Doncha love it.
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Yeah and here, umm, who controls the NCIS? The Fed's right? Not sure who the supporting vendor might be (probably something run by that twerp Perot!), but having the Fed's track gun ownership would have sent the Founders over the edge!
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The one good thing about the destruction of the long gun registry, is that it gives me a chance for scientific investigation. The one rifle the anti gin nutters hate in Canada, particularly the radical feminists is the Ruger Mini-14. As a matter f scientific curiosity, I've given my youngest daughter a stainless version, then posted this on their websites & blogs. I'm wondering if their heads really will explode... ::beertoast::
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Hide the duct-tape. Only way to find out.
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Pandora.. your rather dubious expression about the need for an 'ethics advisor' isn't too far off the mark
One of these politically appointed geniuses, had a crew from a major police department scanning the obituary columns, which were then cross referenced to
he gun registry.
It was common for a tactical team to show up to a grieving widows house to collect the guns her husband had registered in his name... real ethical...
I was a member of a sister association, (Canadian Fire Chiefs), and we made it quite plain that we thought they were anal orifices.
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Pandora.. your rather dubious expression about the need for an 'ethics advisor' isn't too far off the mark
If you were sitting in the room, you'd have been witness to a full-blown snort.
One of these politically appointed geniuses, had a crew from a major police department scanning the obituary columns, which were then cross referenced to
he gun registry.
It was common for a tactical team to show up to a grieving widows house to collect the guns her husband had registered in his name... real ethical...
I was a member of a sister association, (Canadian Fire Chiefs), and we made it quite plain that we thought they were anal orifices.
Yeah, real "ethical". Whenever I read about "ethical experts" in any segment of society -- medical "ethicists", for example, who aren't -- I am aware how far we've strayed from knowing right from wrong without the need of an in-house authoritah to tell us.
We keep telling the gun-grabbers here, everytime they start blathering about "gun-violence" presenting a need for stricter laws, that we damn well know full-blown registration is what they intend on their way to outright prohibition, and the answer is not just no, but HELL NO.
The death of TrayVON Martin has brought the hoplophobes out of the woodwork, bloviating about the bad, bad, very bad "Stand Your Ground" laws. These people see the epitome of virtue in a woman raped and strangled with her own pantyhose over one who shot and killed her attacker.
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I love my Ruger Ranch Rifle and it's little brother the 10/22.
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I keep saying if I had my way, I'd make a practice of carrying my M1 Carbine everywhere.
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Pandora, to tell you how dumb the bill c68 was, they banned the ownership of m1 carbines because the barrels aretoo short. There was a real gunsmith feeding frenzy for a couple of years with rebarreling to meet the 18.5 inch law. Now interestingly we can legally buy and own, 12gauge pumps with 12 or 14 inch barrels with collapsing stocks..
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Pandora, to tell you how dumb the bill c68 was, they banned the ownership of m1 carbines because the barrels aretoo short. There was a real gunsmith feeding frenzy for a couple of years with rebarreling to meet the 18.5 inch law. Now interestingly we can legally buy and own, 12gauge pumps with 12 or 14 inch barrels with collapsing stocks..
Too short for what? It's not like ya can hide one in yer coat! (Okay, I can't hide one in MY coat.)
Idiots.
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You're preaching to the choir Pandora.. none of the laws made logical sense... for example they banned all handguns of 32 caliber.. because they could only be used for self defense... when it was pointed out that women would generally like a smaller handgun, due to size... the rad-fems insisted that the laws would protect them.... now spend some time researching the UN crime stats, you'll find that Canada is number 3 in the world for reported violent crimes in 2009. Many of the crimes are sexual assaults.
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You can never expect anything close to logic or coherency in anti-gun legislation, mainly because the lot of it is predicated on a lie. The lie is that it's not meant to deny decent and law abiding people firearms for personal use, when that is exactly the goal in mind.
Does Canada still restrict magazine capacity? We had 10 years of that nonsense here, from 1994-2004. I remember buying a few pre-ban Glock magazines for over $50 each, and that was considered a steal. Now the same magazines are again available for under $20. I'm not complaining.
Registration is absolutely a precursor to confiscation. I do worry that we have a de facto registration, because gun dealers are required to maintain copies of the Form 4473 filled out when a customer purchases a firearm. If the dealer closes his business, those records must be surrendered to the ATF. It's not exactly the same as a database searchable in real time, but it's close enough. This was even a plot element in the film Red Dawn.
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Glock, 10 rounds for handguns, and 5 for semi rifles... possession of anything else is a criminal offense.. however, they generally have no problems with 30 rnd rifle mads, pinned with an aluminum pop rivet to 5.. you just gotta laugh... rifles like lee-enfields, win 94s etc are fine.
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I keep saying if I had my way, I'd make a practice of carrying my M1 Carbine everywhere.
There ought to be nothing preventing it!
But then the Obama Regime still has that ::cussing:: ban in place preventing to reimportation of Korean War M1's & 1911's!
Once we get that jackass out I better be able to get my hands on some of this vintage Americana!
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Libertas... we've been watching that Korean thing pretty close... there's a huge interest in the M1 Garands and a lesser in the carbines... another thing coming up is the Canadian army dumping the Browning Hi-powers in the near future... apparently some bureaucrats in Ottawa thought they'd send them to the shredder, till we got the minister aside and pointed out how stunned that was...
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Yeah, got a stay on top of these clowns, that's for sure.
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One of the implications of the destruction of the Canadian long gun registry is as follows. The United Nations treaty on small arms has used the Canadian registry as a poster child for over a decade. One of the major players in the UN scheme is an organization called IANSA... the international action network on small arms... the founders of this organization are Wendy Cukier and a guy named George Soros. They have been able to posit that the implementation of this system wouldn't cause damage and use Canada as an example. Wendy, was also instrumental in setting up the South African registry/legislation system which resulted in a 200% increase in violent crime. Pretoria is now rape central in the African continent with approximately 30% of the female population indicating sexual assaults. Wendy recently lost another attempt at setting up a gun control/confiscation scheme in Brazil, where a popular referendum defeated their project.
The conservative government of Canada has stated that they will not be a signatory to any small arms treaty that doesn't exempt sporting firearms. When asked what designations sporting ment, minister John Baird stated that the Canadian sorting community would decide that. Until recently IANSA received grant funding from the government, with other levels of funding going to various gun control groups in Canada. It is my understanding that this either has or wil soon be terminated. George Soros and his various left wing causes are now in deep poopy as far as Canada is concerned, due to his interference in the oil extraction and pipelines in our country.
While I suspect that the next presidential election in the US will change thing, be advised that your SecoState has indicated that she will sign the un amendedt small arms treaty. My personal feeling re your government is... you gotta change it right sharply.
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Treaties must be ratified by the Senate, and nothing in them can contravene the US Constitution.
But yeah, I know. That's how it's supposed to work. We now exist in a time when there is no longer a rule of law. It's all subject to revision and reinterpretation on a whim.
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And around here, we're well acquainted with a guy named George Soros. He and his money are neck-deep in every Left-wing cause.
Hillary Clinton can sign any gawdamned thing she wants. They're not getting our guns. Period.
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Pandora, good attitude... and George is getting unmasked in his scabby hands into Canada..