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Topics => 2nd Amendment/Firearms => Topic started by: BMG on May 10, 2012, 12:42:49 PM
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A few days back I mentioned that I was finally able to get my hands on a Kel-Tec RFB (http://gunblast.com/KelTec-RFB.htm) and was asked to provide some first hand range accounts when I am finally able to get it to the range. I'll put that stuff in this thread when I'm able. :) I doubt I'll be able to get it to the range anytime soon however because I have that impending trip out of the state and then the new house to move into and all the projects and 'honey-dos' to get done. It may well be a couple three months before I can get to the range as a result.
Still, I thought it would be cool to have a thread were any of us 'gun nuts' can reminisce about our favorites or post our new acquisitions, whatever. So here it is.
Speaking of new acquisitions, just a couple days ago I managed to get my hands on an RFB after sitting on a waiting list for a year. Well, my Wife surprised with me a second new acquisition just yesterday. Another Kel-Tec that I have also been on a waiting list for for the last year and which I was told by numerous gun stores that I would likely never see and if I did, would be at least three years before I would! Anyway, the gun store I found my RFB at was one that is a 2 hour drive from my home and one that I had never done business with before. So on a lark I put my name on the waiting list for this other firearm the day I purchased the RFB from them. I was told I was the only one on the list - but that I shouldn't hold my breath waiting for the KSG. Anyway, they called two days later and told me my special order was ready. I was pretty shocked since this thing is supposed to be as rare as hen's teeth. Anyway, my Wife went ahead and let me get it as well - for my birthday. ;D
Here's some specifics: (http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/kel-tec-ksg-pump-bull-pup-tactical-shotgun/)
18.5" barrel
Overall length is 26.1"
2 tube magazines which allows the firearm to hold 7+7+1 of 2 3/4" 12GA or 6+6+1 of 3" magnum (there is a manual lever situated between the two magazines which allows you to switch between magazines as needed).
It weighs in at 6.9 lbs unloaded
Action: Pump
Here's a video:
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLDsgGgE5UM&feature=relmfu)
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That makes for some superb goblin-control right there.
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That looks like tons o' fun. Want.
One thing that crossed my mind as I watched was the close proximity of the forward hand to the muzzle upon firing. It wouldn't be an issue in my mind, except for the pump. When he was doing the rapid fire-eject-chamber-fire-eject-chamber-fire, I imagined a sweaty forward hand in a stressful situation, slipping off the grip and ahead of the muzzle upon chambering the round, finger still on trigger anticipating that trigger pull, mind still in the rhythm of it - kablamm - fingers or hand badly damaged.
I guess I'd have to fire one rapidly to see for myself, but that was my gut impression. Still looks like an awesome zombie gun though.
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Very good observation IDP. I'd probably feel more comfortable with a forward pistol grip for that reason.
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I should have some pictures from the NRA Whittington range this weekend. The person accompanying me is bringing his own zombie gun. I haven't seen it yet but it has a thirty round drum magazine with slugs. I am looking forward to that plus his sniper rifle that shoots the Lapua .338 rounds.
I'm taking the Mini-14, the DPMS Panther AR15, the S&W iBolt in .30-06, the S&W Sigma in .40 and the trusty 10/22. I decided against taking the shotguns this trip...maybe next time.
I haven't taken a close count but I should have at least a couple of thousand rounds or so altogether. Maybe more. Probably more.
When I was stocking up on .30-06 this morning someone at the gun store asked me if I was going to hunt libs. He was half serious.
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I've been dinking around with it most of the day since I didn't have much of a chance last night by the time I got back into town and then had Wednesday supper at the in-laws' place. So It was 'all hands on deck' today. ::thumbsup::
Anyway, the pump action is extremely smooth in both directions. Unlike most of the Kel-Tec stuff I've handled, the KSG and the RFB are built very well. They have the polymer 'furniture' but it's a better quality than their other products. As Priest noted, I'm planing to put a grip on the front stock to negate the possibility of a catastrophic accident.
The only thing that I'm having issue with with this KSG atm is feeding. You have to slam the action rearward in order for the magazines to release the next shotshell. If you don't you end up going through the motions of cycling the action, but end up with an empty chamber. I suspect this is due to the firearm being brand new and needs to be broken in. So today I spent a decent amount of time just cycling the action. I put it up a half hour ago and it did seem like the glitch had been reduced. I'll be sure to post any (other) problems if I find any. ;D
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I should have some pictures from the NRA Whittington range this weekend. The person accompanying me is bringing his own zombie gun. I haven't seen it yet but it has a thirty round drum magazine with slugs. I am looking forward to that plus his sniper rifle that shoots the Lapua .338 rounds.
I'm taking the Mini-14, the DPMS Panther AR15, the S&W iBolt in .30-06, the S&W Sigma in .40 and the trusty 10/22. I decided against taking the shotguns this trip...maybe next time.
I haven't taken a close count but I should have at least a couple of thousand rounds or so altogether. Maybe more. Probably more.
When I was stocking up on .30-06 this morning someone at the gun store asked me if I was going to hunt libs. He was half serious.
Man Trap, that sounds like a blast! I have so much going on over the course of the next couple months that I doubt I'll be able to get to the range anytime soon but I'm sure chomping at the bit to get there. :) Oh, hey - have you got a favorite?
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Umm, favorite what? Gun? Range? Hippie lib target?
Did I mention that I would be taking pictures?
My only regret: My son was supposed to be making this trip with me but his leave was postponed. He will be coming home for a two week break in August but I'm not sure I want to be in NM during that month...I imagine it will be pretty damned hot then.
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Umm, favorite what? Gun? Range? Hippie lib target?
Firearm. :D
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Fifteen, that's gotta hurt...but in certain circumstances a life saver.
Shoulder/life...shoulder/life...shoulder/life, not a difficult choice.
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I imagined a sweaty forward hand in a stressful situation, slipping off the grip and ahead of the muzzle upon chambering the round, finger still on trigger anticipating that trigger pull, mind still in the rhythm of it - kablamm - fingers or hand badly damaged.
I would think MOST people would not fire is there wasn't a sufficient grip on the forearm. Notice I said most.
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I heard there was one out there that as semi-auto. My coworker told me of it. I don't remember the manufacturer though. ::thinking::
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Sweet shotgun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhg0TvgawGk#noexternalembed)
Called Street Sweeper
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Alliance Armament Accelerator 12 gauge pistol (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYsQDq9_wvk#)
Called, Alliance Armament Accelerator 12 gauge pistol
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or
from the
professional Russian
AA-12 Fully Automatic Shotgun!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOoUVeyaY_8#ws)
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Got to Whittington mid afternoon.
The weather was not great. Overcast and temps in the low fifties with a fairly strong breeze making it feel much colder. We could have shot until seven thirty but the light was pretty much useless after about six. Plus it was getting uncomfortably cold. So we headed for town and ribeye steaks.
Today I shot the S&W Sigma, the Ruger Mini-14 and the S&W iBolt. I screwed up by forgetting to bring the special adjustment tool for the trigger pull on the iBolt. It was set for minimum pull which I found much too light for my liking.
Tomorrow (if the weather cooperates) we will be shooting the big gun...the Armalite sniper rifle on the 1000 yard range. The weather report does not look too promising for tomorrow but in this part of the country it can go either way so I'm hopeful.
(http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/9587/img0287ae.jpg)
Just kinda posing for a picture here...we were packing it in at this point.
We drove around and looked at the other ranges before leaving. This is the best outdoor range I have ever been to. They have everything you could want in a range. I am looking forward to shooting silhouettes tomorrow.
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Good shooting tomorrow!
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We're thinking about you, ...no envy at all, nope, none.
Good weather and good shooting tomorrow.
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I heard there was one out there that as semi-auto. My coworker told me of it. I don't remember the manufacturer though. ::thinking::
There's another player in the semi-auto shotgun market, and one that shows some promise: http://www.alliancearmament.com/Origin12gaugeShotgun.aspx (http://www.alliancearmament.com/Origin12gaugeShotgun.aspx) They make a nice looking weapon, although I understand that, like any first-gen design it has a few issues to iron out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSlhePWitOA
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It rained overnight but there's some sunshine right now so we are headed out to the range. We may not get a full day if the weather returns but we'll get at least a half day it looks like.
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Got to the range at about 9AM and started zeroing the scope out at the 600 yard mark on the 1000 yard range. It took a long time to get it right but at the end I was able to get the round in the center ring in one shot.
(http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/9210/img0302ba.jpg)
(http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/2955/img0290xp.jpg)(http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/378/img0295qj.jpg)
Very impressive weapon: Armalite AR-30 shooting the .338 Lapua round (http://www.armalite.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=30M338&ReturnUrl=Categories.aspx?Category=3a467b6f-2ac9-4e26-82f0-7914a7ffbb4e)...the shell is as big around as a Sharpie marker and they cost about $4 each. Almost no recoil at all...or about as much as I feel from my AR-15. This is made possible by the massive muzzle break on the end of the barrel.
(http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/8972/img0299gy.jpg)
Careful consideration had to be taken as to the position of a spectator because of the shock wave coming off of the muzzle break. Also hearing protection was very important...I had ear plugs and the headphone-style protectors on.
Armalite AR-30 At The NRA Whittington Center In Raton, NM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbmBjllwFpg#ws)
This next video was shot by me. Gun owner is shooting the rifle, again, at the 600 yard mark.
Armalite AR-30 (rear view) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plCl1eqZ09g#)
As I post this we are waiting for some rain and overcast to (hopefully) pass so that we can go back out and shoot some other things. We have a few more hours of daylight left before we have to give up. It's pretty goofy...there is sunlight all over the place except at the range where there are dark clouds and some rain.
Next up is some shotgun stuff with the Saga-12 and a 30-round drum...then some AR-15 silhouette shooting and possibly some more handgun work.
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That is a very nice range. You also win for "Most Realistic Forum Avatar"!
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You also win for "Most Realistic Forum Avatar"!
I'm actually not bald and I don't smoke. It's a shame that it was cold and windy, though, because I chose a shirt to match the avatar.
The rain has picked up along with lighting and thunder. We are going to go back before the day is out, rain or not, and utilize some of the ranges that have a roof over the shooting area.
We have pretty much decided that this is a great road trip and we will be doing it at least once (maybe even twice) more this summer. I think it would make for a great tailgating situation, too, so the portable barbecue will be a part of the next visit. I am thinking that the shotguns will need to be a part of the next trip, too. They have a very nice trap and skeet area plus a shooting clays area.
Did I mention that our total cost (less ammunition, of course) at the range was $20 each? A truly great experience. I would recommend it to anyone.
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That's a REALLY nice rifle! ::cool::
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I can't imagine what it would do to an elk on impact but it couldn't be pretty.
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Sweet! Looks like some good times right there. ::thumbsup::
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The .338 Lapua has been racking up an impressive record over in Ashcanistan. I know the Brits use it, and I think US forces do as well. It's a very impressive round.
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It rained overnight but there's some sunshine right now so we are headed out to the range. We may not get a full day if the weather returns but we'll get at least a half day it looks like.
Beets a good day at work.
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Beautiful Trap! Looks like good clean All-American fun was had by all!
::thumbsup:: ::cool:: ::whoohoo::
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It was a terrific shoot.
Maybe we should put together a IAL shooting weekend there.
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Sure looks like the place to do it!
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So I went to the range on the 4th since there was nothing to celebrate in the wake of the supreme court ruling on obamacare, etc.
Earlier in the thread I mentioned that I'd post some range reports so here's the first one.
I had recently rebuilt my Ruger 10/22 with a bull barrel, an after market bullpup stock, a match trigger assembly and some Magpul Mbus sights. The nice thing about this build is that it makes the overall length of the 10/22 a mere 26.5" while retaining/improving the overall accuracy even at longer ranges.
I hadn't had a chance to get it all sighted in so I took it along to see how it would perform. I was expecting to be able to hit a quarter-sized target at 100 yards and I believe this build has accomplished that. I was using open sights and was firing off-hand (though braced) and was able to fire 10 shots within a 3" group with little effort. Had I had a scope I think that the prospect of hitting a quarter at that range would have been well within the capabilities of this rifle.
(http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s455/BMG308/Photo07061539.jpg)
The second firearm I took with me was my KelTec KSG. It's a radically different design of any other shotgun I've ever fired and it takes some getting used to. But after having gotten used to it, I have found that I REALLY like it. The bullpup configuration adjusts the felt recoil of the weapon so that it pushes straight back as opposed to at an angle (as with conventional designs). This gives the operator the perception of a bit less recoil in comparison to conventional firearms. This, coupled with the compensator I have installed makes it feel just a wee bit less formidable (recoil-wise) than a standard 12ga.
Previously in this thread some of you mentioned that you would put some kind of forestock grip on the thing to help prevent accidental slippage and injury while working the slide. As can be seen from the attached photos I did just that (the device in question is a Magpul AFG2TM - Angled Fore Grip). I've also outfitted it with a red/green dot sight which can still function normally as a sight whether powered or not (it's a shotgun after all - anything in the aperture is going to get hit its just that, in low light situations the red/green dot will allow for easier/faster target acquisition), a Carlson Comps Enforcer compensator and a LED light. It is geared for close quarters and is in fact, my home protection firearm.
At the range it presented no trouble aside from standard 'new gun' break in issues (ie, operator getting used to a new firearm). The action was smooth - feeding was spotty but I attribute that to me not the firearm and loading is not exactly easy. That is made up for by the extra round carrying capacity and I'm confident that with time (improved skill) and use (breaking in the firearm) I'll master that aspect.
It patterned @9" @25yards with some Remington ammo (00 BUCK) I was using.
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Heck, I can't even see a quarter at 100 yds :o
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Yeah, I can't see the bottom of a coke can at 100 yds.
Good work and a nice rig. We will need some up dates though.
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looks like you put in some nice money in on that Keltec. Sweeeeet!! ::beertoast::