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Topics => Economy => Topic started by: Libertas on May 18, 2012, 11:02:34 AM

Title: Facebook IPO
Post by: Libertas on May 18, 2012, 11:02:34 AM
Hilarious goins on this AM...if Hopium has a ticker symbol, this is it!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/fadebook-opens-trading-4205 (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/fadebook-opens-trading-4205)
Title: Re: Facebook IPO
Post by: Libertas on May 18, 2012, 11:31:17 AM
"People need a message saying they bought or sold it," said the trader. "Clients are frustrated because they can't get those reports back… basically, they're blind."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303448404577411903118364314.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303448404577411903118364314.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories)

You can only buy, and you can never leave!

 ::hysterical::

Crony capitalism at its best.

 ::)
Title: Re: Facebook IPO
Post by: Libertas on May 22, 2012, 08:18:29 AM
What a lovely chart...really highlights the sheering!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/facebook-all-time-lows-27-highs (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/facebook-all-time-lows-27-highs)
Title: Re: Facebook IPO
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 23, 2012, 01:46:52 AM


The question: did Nasdaq, in its scramble for bragging rights, and of course, exchange fees, rush out and stumble in order to get Facebook out of the gate as soon as possible, without regard for a properly functioning post-IPO market, just to avoid the reptuational (and monetary) damage associated with pulling a "market conditions?"

We don't know - but we are 100% certain that many lawyers will be asking just that question in the days and weeks to come.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/nasdaq-lying-about-what-it-knew-facebook-ipo-day (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/nasdaq-lying-about-what-it-knew-facebook-ipo-day)
Title: Re: Facebook IPO
Post by: Libertas on May 23, 2012, 07:17:32 AM
Yup, "technical glitch", uhh huh...pump & dump to benefit whales, many of whom I would expect to be wealthy contributors to Barack Hussein Obama!

But, nobody of authority will ever find (or be allowed to make) the connection between A and Z.

And all those hopium-filled faces thought they were buying the next AAPL and there would be nothing but sunshine and bliss forever!

Welcome to crony markets.
Title: Re: Facebook IPO
Post by: Libertas on May 29, 2012, 12:58:05 PM
$29

What a deal!   ::)

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=fb&ql=1 (http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=fb&ql=1)
Title: Re: Facebook IPO
Post by: trapeze on July 26, 2012, 07:59:56 PM
Well, here we are in late July and Facebook's stock price has taken yet another plunge. It dropped 8.5% today to 26.85

And then, in after hours trading 10.7% to 23.97

Title: Re: Facebook IPO
Post by: Libertas on July 26, 2012, 08:05:54 PM
Yeah, that's a shame.   ::deercorn::
Title: Re: Facebook IPO
Post by: trapeze on July 31, 2012, 08:25:48 PM
Another week, another new low closing price.

21.71 (http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=FB+Interactive#symbol=fb;range=1d;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined;)

21.61 in after hours trading. Yippee.
Title: Re: Facebook IPO
Post by: Libertas on August 01, 2012, 07:02:28 AM
Need a stronger balloon to keep that much hot air in...

 ::)
Title: Re: Facebook IPO
Post by: Predator Don on August 01, 2012, 07:52:56 AM
Facebook and GM are meeting similiar fates.....
Title: Re: Facebook IPO
Post by: Libertas on August 02, 2012, 06:46:59 AM
FarceBook closed at 20.88, only 21.12 below target, so they lost more than half their purported value?!

 ::mooning::
Title: Re: Facebook IPO
Post by: Predator Don on August 02, 2012, 07:30:45 AM
Apparently no one is visiting the advertising on Facebook. Less than 20 percent. Not too sure if I advertised there I'm getting a bang for my buck.
Title: Re: Facebook IPO
Post by: warpmine on August 02, 2012, 01:56:01 PM
FarceBook closed at 20.88, only 21.12 below target, so they lost more than half their purported value?!

 ::mooning::
That purported value...were those that stated it smoking crack?
Title: Re: Facebook IPO
Post by: trapeze on August 02, 2012, 02:45:42 PM
Just over 19 now. A new low. They must be so proud.
Title: Re: Facebook IPO
Post by: Libertas on August 03, 2012, 07:03:10 AM
FarceBook closed at 20.88, only 21.12 below target, so they lost more than half their purported value?!

 ::mooning::
That purported value...were those that stated it smoking crack?

I think everyone involved was smoking crack!
Title: Re: Facebook IPO
Post by: trapeze on August 07, 2012, 09:09:47 PM
Well, in his quest to become CEO Of The Year, Mark Zuckerberg is certainly hustling, isn't he? Today the stock price is hovering just over $20 a share.

Now let's see...what did I predict it to bottom at? I believe I said that (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,5915.msg66688.html#msg66688) a price of $18 per share would be fairly reasonable. I even hedged on that a little and said that it might even go as low as $8 or $9 a share if the hype was fully discounted. Well, guess what? The hype is beginning to be discounted.

I see no problem at all with making the $18 target and even the $8 target is beginning to look reasonable. Why? Well, this article (http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-lockup-release-2012-8) outlines three very important little problems.

First up is the imminent arrival of the "lock up releases."

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FACEBOOK LOCK-UP RELEASES:

August 15th, 2012 (next Thursday): 268 million shares, 10% of shares outstanding.
October 14th: 249 million shares, 9% of shares outstanding.
November 13th: 1.332 billion shares, 49% of shares outstanding.
December 13th: 124 million shares, 5% of shares outstanding.
May 17th, 2013: 47 million shares, 2% of shares outstanding.

Over the next 4 months, in other words, 2 billion Facebook shares will become eligible for sale—about 70% of Facebook's total shares outstanding.

I'm guessing that's probably going to be a bit of a problem. I mean, if the current number of shares is in trouble I just don't see how the opportunity to introduce more...much, much more...is going to drive the price up.

Of course, the federal government is always here to help and in the spirit of "you didn't build that," well...

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Facebook will likely have to write a check for $2.5–$4 billion to the U.S. government in a few months to pay the "withholding" tax on many of its Restricted Stock Units (RSUs), which will vest about 6 months after the IPO.

Yep, that's going to make the company more valuable 'cause paying taxes makes everything better. Everyone knows that.

But hey, at least the company still has lots and lots of value, right? Now let's see...what is it that makes Facebook so darned valuable? It can't be their members because as we learned within the last few days there are at least 80 plus MILLION fake accounts...probably more but hey, who's counting? So the real value is probably their brain trust...their employees. Sure is lucky they aren't going anywhere. Oh, wait...

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...the current value of Facebook's RSUs [restricted stock units] is currently less than at any time since late 2010. This means that Facebook's "golden handcuffs" on its employees are likely to be considerably less effective than the company expected they would be.

Next stop, Suckville. Full speed ahead!

Facebook business plan illustrated (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXdN142_P7U#)

$8 a share is starting to look quite reasonable, indeed.
Title: Re: Facebook IPO
Post by: Libertas on August 08, 2012, 06:54:00 AM
Closed at 20.72, 12.72 over the Trap Line.
Title: Re: Facebook IPO
Post by: Libertas on August 20, 2012, 08:37:36 AM
19.02.

 ::popcorn::
Title: Re: Facebook IPO
Post by: AlanS on August 20, 2012, 05:28:20 PM
I guess I'm clueless on this kind of trading. What, EXACTLY, was the draw to facebook, anyway? Just advertising revenue?
Title: Re: Facebook IPO
Post by: warpmine on August 20, 2012, 08:09:05 PM
I guess I'm clueless on this kind of trading. What, EXACTLY, was the draw to facebook, anyway? Just advertising revenue?
Good query. Facebook doesn't charge for membership which would have helped shed those bogus accounts and most people on it use it in a manner that is true to form for leaches that want everything for free.

Basically, it's a steaming pile with suitability for blabbermouths.
Title: Re: Facebook IPO
Post by: Alphabet Soup on August 20, 2012, 08:32:57 PM
They must be data mining. Leeching off of the people who are leeching off of them.
Title: Re: Facebook IPO
Post by: trapeze on September 05, 2012, 12:39:26 AM
Well, I guess it's time for another Facebook posting. Why? I'm glad you asked. Facebook has just hit a new closing low.

Yay.

Facebook closed today at $17.73 which, curiously, some people apparently saw as a "bargain" and it has since risen to $18.08 in after hours trading. Go figure. Not that it matters. Facebook has only experienced the first of several "lockup releases" a couple of weeks back and it only represented 10% of total shares. There is another 9% coming in mid October but the real bomb is going to hit in mid November when 1.3 BILLION shares will become eligible for selling. That's 49% of outstanding shares. And then, since there's just never enough Facebook shares on the market, there are more to come after that.

So, we are nearly where I thought that the price of Facebook stock would begin to look reasonable. The only problem is that as these huge blocks of company stock begin to reach eligibility for sale the company begins to looks overpriced. It's like hyper inflation. Put a few hundred million more shares on the market and...shazam!...the price looks too high. Who would have thought, eh?

And there will be a huge incentive for the owners of these blocks of stocks to sell quickly and to sell it all. After all, they have been watching their "fortune" shrink steadily for many, many weeks now. They have every reason to believe that the price will continue to go down so it is in their best interests to cash in for whatever they can get now rather than wait for it to go down even lower in price. In other words, this is a self perpetuating nightmare for Facebook. It's like a runaway train heading for a cliff and no one is anywhere near the brake lever which would certainly snap off if it could even be pulled.

So...I have stated earlier that the price could bottom at $7 or $8 a share. I am now thinking that that price is perhaps too optimistic for Facebook. I am now thinking that $4 a share might be the bottom. I think that it is within the realm of possibility that the price could be at $11 or $12 by the end of this year with the true bottom being reached sometime in the spring of 2013.

The Winkelvoss' got $20 million in cash and 1.25 million shares in their settlement. I have no idea if and/or when they might have sold them. It would really suck if they are in one of these lockups and are watching their fortune vanish before their eyes, helpless to do anything about it.


One thing is pretty much for certain, though...no one has gone broke yet shorting Facebook. That's the only place for money to be made. Sad.
Title: Re: Facebook IPO
Post by: Libertas on September 05, 2012, 06:49:44 AM
The Zuck says he'll stop selling, I guess he has been contributing to his own demise.

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: Facebook IPO
Post by: trapeze on September 11, 2012, 10:30:29 PM
Zuckerberg speaks. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/facebook-ceo-mark-zuckerberg-to-speak-at-techcrunchs-disrupt-conference-in-san-francisco/2012/09/11/d66f5ac6-fc31-11e1-98c6-ec0a0a93f8eb_print.html) Says "whatever."

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SAN FRANCISCO — Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg hasn’t enjoyed watching his company’s stock price plunge this summer, but he is relishing the opportunity prove his critics on Wall Street wrong.

“I would rather be in a cycle where people underestimate us,” Zuckerberg said Tuesday. “I think it gives us the latitude to go out and make some big bets.”

Zuckerberg, 28, spoke to a standing-room-only audience at a tech conference in San Francisco in his first interview since Facebook Inc.’s rocky initial public offering in May. The social networking leader’s stock has lost nearly half its value since the IPO, lopping more than $50 billion from Facebook’s market value.

Zuckerberg said the drop “has obviously been disappointing,” but he said it’s a great time to “double down” on the company’s future.

“Facebook has not been an uncontroversial company,” Zuckerberg said. “It’s not like this is the first up and down we have ever had.”
Title: Re: Facebook IPO
Post by: Libertas on September 12, 2012, 07:07:30 AM
Huh, what's that he said?   ::whatgives::

He could have belched or grunted and walked away...same diff...   ::)