It's About Liberty: A Conservative Forum
Topics => 2nd Amendment/Firearms => Topic started by: Glock32 on August 01, 2012, 10:44:35 AM
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H/T: Joe Miller (http://joemiller.us/2012/08/must-watch-video-what-happens-when-a-nation-bans-guns/)
Australia enacted a sweeping gun ban in 1997, that affected all semi and pump action rifles. There were gut wrenching scenes of piles -- literally -- of rifles that had been cut down, waiting for the electromagnet claw to pick them up and carry them off to the furnace.
In the wake of the predictable, renewed calls to ban guns from the enemies of personal liberty, it is illustrative to review the situation in Australia 15 years on:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8RDWltHxRc
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They should have kept the guns and grabbed the gun-haters and destroyed them instead. Hindsight can be a real bitch. All that crime and blood belongs on the gun-grabbing morons, and payback should be swift and vicious.
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The men in that video warn us, as Americans, to not allow what was done to them. I'd be very interested in hearing what they say they would have, should have, done differently, instead of meekly turning in their guns on pain of jail.
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Hopefully we won't go as quietly as the Austrialians did....I'm saddled with enough laws but ain't nobody taking my guns.
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I don't wish them ill - but I do wish them karma. They chose to dance with the devil and now it's time to pay.
Stupid, foolish sheep.
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I don't wish them ill - but I do wish them karma. They chose to dance with the devil and now it's time to pay.
Stupid, foolish sheep.
It's hard not to come to that conclusion.
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Hopefully we won't go as quietly as the Austrialians did....I'm saddled with enough laws but ain't nobody taking my guns.
::curtsy4::
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Guns? I don't own any guns. ::angel::
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Guns? I don't own any guns. ::angel::
I've been noticing there's been a lot of boating accidents lately. Shame, that.
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Kind of reminds me of an adage I used to see on the gun forums: If it's time to start burying your guns it's time to start using them.
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Damned skippy.
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The gun banners follow a predictable pattern, first they insist that the law abiding get a license, presumably to weed out the nutters, then in name of public safety, the insist on registration, you know, cause we have to know who's got what ( at this point the elected law enforcement people will be in support) after the registration, some guns will be deemed unacceptable, cause nobody needs a semi, assault rifle etc. As the government now has a list ( registration) they come and get them with threats of jail. As the people who registered are generally law abiding, the banners only seize the firearms from the law abiding. The key to the agenda is the registration. Here in Canada, there were roughly 23 million rifles but only 5 million were registered, naturally the liberal government then concluded that he other guns were somehow lost or something. Always remember, Registration is the linchpin of the operation, don't register.... ::laserkill::
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Did Canada get rid of the long gun registry recently?
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This bears repeating
http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,6476.0/topicseen.html (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,6476.0/topicseen.html)
*Will you continue a reasonable discussion towards an end that might lead somewhere or is this an exercise in futility?
Since what you consider to be reasonable isn't even in the same plane of reality with what I consider reasonable, probably not.
Allow me to explain.
I hear a lot about "compromise" from your camp ... except, it's not compromise.
Let's say I have this cake. It is a very nice cake, with "GUN RIGHTS" written across the top in lovely floral icing. Along you come and say, "Give me that cake."
I say, "No, it's my cake."
You say, "Let's compromise. Give me half." I respond by asking what I get out of this compromise, and you reply that I get to keep half of my cake.
Okay, we compromise. Let us call this compromise The National Firearms Act of 1934.
There I am with my half of the cake, and you walk back up and say, "Give me that cake."
I say, "No, it's my cake."
You say, "Let's compromise." What do I get out of this compromise? Why, I get to keep half of what's left of the cake I already own.
So, we have your compromise -- let us call this one the Gun Control Act of 1968 -- and I'm left holding what is now just a quarter of my cake.
And I'm sitting in the corner with my quarter piece of cake, and here you come again. You want my cake. Again.
This time you take several bites -- we'll call this compromise the Clinton Executive Orders -- and I'm left with about a tenth of what has always been MY DAMN CAKE and you've got nine-tenths of it.
Then we compromised with the Lautenberg Act (nibble, nibble), the HUD/Smith and Wesson agreement (nibble, nibble), the Brady Law (NOM NOM NOM), the School Safety and Law Enforcement Improvement Act (sweet tap-dancing Freyja, my finger!)
I'm left holding crumbs of what was once a large and satisfying cake, and you're standing there with most of MY CAKE, making anime eyes and whining about being "reasonable", and wondering "why we won't compromise".
I'm done with being reasonable, and I'm done with compromise. Nothing about gun control in this country has ever been "reasonable" nor a genuine "compromise".
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"What say we compromise. You leave now and I let you live."
::evil::
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Glock32, yup we did, and it was a fight with the gun banners trying everything from legal challenges, (1 still going on for Quebec data) to substituting the electronic information to provincial 'Chief Firearms Officers ( think state level BATF) demanding that gun shop owners maintain a paper record. The Conservative Government, bitch slapped the CFO's pretty hard so the paper gig was tossed. I will reiterate, never allow your government to register your firearms, its a confiscation list for the government, and a shopping list for criminals, our supposed secure registry database was hacked at least 400 times and the info was used to steal guns.
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Well I am glad you are making some measure of progress up there. But yes, Canada and Australia are both lessons for us. Both countries are similar to the USA in our common descent from the Anglo-Saxon concepts of property and individual sovereignty, and just like the USA both countries had a frontier culture where firearms were an indispensable part of life.
Yet severe restrictions still happened in those two countries, and it is proof that we must be forever vigilant here.