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Topics => 2nd Amendment/Firearms => Topic started by: Libertas on January 04, 2013, 11:35:48 AM
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http://www.infowars.com/dhs-buys-200000-more-rounds-of-ammunition/ (http://www.infowars.com/dhs-buys-200000-more-rounds-of-ammunition/)
It's hard keeping up with the fascists but I am trying!
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http://www.infowars.com/dhs-buys-200000-more-rounds-of-ammunition/ (http://www.infowars.com/dhs-buys-200000-more-rounds-of-ammunition/)
It's hard keeping up with the fascists but I am trying!
At what point are you finding a price break? ;-)
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http://www.infowars.com/dhs-buys-200000-more-rounds-of-ammunition/ (http://www.infowars.com/dhs-buys-200000-more-rounds-of-ammunition/)
It's hard keeping up with the fascists but I am trying!
At what point are you finding a price break? ;-)
The only break I see is in getting my order in before them...between them and us the mfg's are loving the sellers market.
:P
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Went to a recently built Gander Mountain yesterday. For a box of 50, .357s were going for $55. ::speechless::
Yeahhhh, uh no, I doan theen' so ......
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Went to a recently built Gander Mountain yesterday. For a box of 50, .357s were going for $55. ::speechless::
Yeahhhh, uh no, I doan theen' so ......
Box of 357 in Canada, $25.72 for Remington JSP. Mega box 223, at 250 rnds, $78.00, .45 acp, $24.85... 100 rnd bags of 9mm brass, $23.94, 357 mag brass, $24.85. 45 acp brass, $30.72... 40 cal brass is pretty much a give away as most police use this round.
HG bullets, (just the bullets) 115 gr. FMJ, $23.94 per 100. 38/357 JHP, 158 gr. $19.63., .45, 230 gr, JHP notched, $33.72, per 100
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Went to a recently built Gander Mountain yesterday. For a box of 50, .357s were going for $55. ::speechless::
Yeahhhh, uh no, I doan theen' so ......
Just for FMJ? ::speechless::
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Went to a recently built Gander Mountain yesterday. For a box of 50, .357s were going for $55. ::speechless::
Yeahhhh, uh no, I doan theen' so ......
Just for FMJ? ::speechless::
Yep. Remington. Nuts. Gunsmith said, pffft! forget it! I'll load some.
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Went to a recently built Gander Mountain yesterday. For a box of 50, .357s were going for $55. ::speechless::
Yeahhhh, uh no, I doan theen' so ......
Just for FMJ? ::speechless::
Yep. Remington. Nuts. Gunsmith said, pffft! forget it! I'll load some.
Yeah, that's theft. Glad I am all stocked up!
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I swear CO had this posted somewhere but I cannot find it.
I am actually a little surprised this isn't getting more scruitiny.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/03/obama-dhs-purchases-2700-light-armored-tanks-to-go-with-their-1-6-billion-bullet-stockpile/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/03/obama-dhs-purchases-2700-light-armored-tanks-to-go-with-their-1-6-billion-bullet-stockpile/)
Looks like a big red flag to me.
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Weisshaupt linked to it within a statement but it does merit more attention.
"Street sweepers" with several machine gun ports on each side, nothing to
worry about there. Hacking a drone may prove easier than demobilizing these things.
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IED fodder.
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Let the bangers take 'em on?
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We're just alarmists because federal government bureaucracies with intangible law enforcement authority arming up with billions of rounds and armored vehicles and shooting blanks from helicopters over major cities is not an indication of any wrong intentions on the part of government.
I'm sick to death of these idiotic deniers.
The Great Ammunition Myth
The government is not planning a violent putdown of civil unrest. (http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/342161/great-ammunition-myth-charles-c-w-cooke?pg=1)
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The government is not planning a violent putdown of civil unrest.
Bullsht.
Mushrooms ......
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Those who look behind the curtain...will be ridiculed, marginalized...and eventually interred in a FEMA camp.
Trust the government that does not trust you? WTF is that stupid?!?!?!
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I swear CO had this posted somewhere but I cannot find it.
I am actually a little surprised this isn't getting more scruitiny.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/03/obama-dhs-purchases-2700-light-armored-tanks-to-go-with-their-1-6-billion-bullet-stockpile/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/03/obama-dhs-purchases-2700-light-armored-tanks-to-go-with-their-1-6-billion-bullet-stockpile/)
Looks like a big red flag to me.
Update: An earlier version of this post included a figure of over 2,700 vehicles, as cited from the original RT link. This figure likely comes from a press release from Navistar Defense, mentioning delivery of 2,717 to the U.S. Marine Corps. A DHS Spokesman confirmed with Business Insider that they have only 16 nationwide.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/homeland-security-serving-warrants-mrap-2013-3#ixzz2MiA49aru (http://www.businessinsider.com/homeland-security-serving-warrants-mrap-2013-3#ixzz2MiA49aru)
Gateway Pundit relied on The Modern Survival Blog article from last September, that wrongly ASSUMED that all 2717 were for DHS. They didn't do their homework.
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Good find, Janny. If gateway continues this habit of alarming headlines and little research it will lose credibility and with that viewers. Hey Jim, wake up!
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Good find, Janny. If gateway continues this habit of alarming headlines and little research it will lose credibility and with that viewers. Hey Jim, wake up!
Sadly, Jim Hoft has been doing that for years. He sometimes has stuff first, but I never assume anything I see there to be vetted.
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http://minx.cc/?post=338103 (http://minx.cc/?post=338103)
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At this, I am officially sick of trying to debunk what everyone will believe no matter what you say.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 05, 2013 07:51 PM (bxiXv)[/blockquote]
I feel your pain.I'm a federal agent and firearms instructor. My agents shoot, on average, 250 rounds per quarter. We do not shoot "practice ammo". We have been shooting HP ammo for at least 12 years (since I became an instructor).If you look at the number of agents, officers, and investigators for DHS agencies, the ammo purchase becomes less mysterious.*Some of the agencies that fall under DHS are:
Secret Service (@5000 agents/officers)
HSI (formerly ICE) (@8500 agents/officers)
Customs and Border Protection(@40,000 officers)
Border Patrol (@20,000 agents)
US Coast Guard (@40,000 personnel)
Federal Protective Service (Unknown #)
Federal
Law Enforcement Training Center (3 facilities: Glynco, Ga, Charleston,
SC, and Artesia NM, training 90 law enforcement agencies)Air Marshals are also under DHS. Their numbers and training routines are secret, but I would bet they shoot as often and maintain as high standards as the Secret Service Presidential Detail, which shoots a hell of a lot more that your average federal agent.
*(Those numbers are based on what I could find online.)
As you can see, those agencies expend a lot of ammo in training. If you use my numbers as a guide, Border patrol shoots 20 million rounds a year, or 100 million over the 5 year contract. CBP shoots 40 million a year.
I went through two advanced instructor courses at FLETC last year, and probably shot a combined 5000 rounds between the two courses. Each class had 24 students.
I don't doubt that the 1.6 billion number is some bastardization of the true number, since a "journalist" compiled the data. I also have no doubt that the administration, after seeing the absolute frenzy created by these stories (specifically the original 450 million round order last spring), told Napolitano to double it or triple it to create more consternation.
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I guess then the pertinent question is, if we look at the preceding 10 years would we find it being ordered in similar quantities? I honestly do not know the answer to that, but considering it would have covered the Bush years I'm pretty sure the leftist MFM would have been sh*tting bricks over it at the time. As far as I am concerned, most of the controversy swirling around this stems from it being such a sharp spike (allegedly) in procurement.
"Black helicopters" was also a pejorative until, well, they started showing up in major downtown areas firing blanks from their machine guns. They'll have to excuse me if I'm fresh out of benefit-of-the-doubt when the Feral government is involved.
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I guess then the pertinent question is, if we look at the preceding 10 years would we find it being ordered in similar quantities? I honestly do not know the answer to that, but considering it would have covered the Bush years I'm pretty sure the leftist MFM would have been sh*tting bricks over it at the time. As far as I am concerned, most of the controversy swirling around this stems from it being such a sharp spike (allegedly) in procurement.
"Black helicopters" was also a pejorative until, well, they started showing up in major downtown areas firing blanks from their machine guns. They'll have to excuse me if I'm fresh out of benefit-of-the-doubt when the Feral government is involved.
Something to Shoot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNYvPO70KAE#ws)
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So DHS only has 16, I am supposed to wipe my brow and express relief? ::saywhat::
Yeah, ahh, no.
Plus, as seen with SkyNet taps on citizens without a warrant and drones and everything, they are already conditioning people to accept more Big Brother actions, so who is to say those 2700 other armored vehicels (and God knows what else) is NOT going to be used on civilians, ever?!
::saywhat::
Nothing has changed, the government that does not trust me is still asking me to trust it.
Fat chance.
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It is not within the government's purview to trust us or not trust us. Not to pick on you, Libertas, but every time I read that, it causes my BP to rise. Government's "trust" in the people smacks of paternalism, and neither government nor the people who run it is our Daddy.
We, however, have every right, duty and authority to mistrust the government as a master who suspects his servant has gone rogue.
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That is an excellent point, and I am guilty of being oblivious to it at times. It's kind of like how it annoys me when I see "the United States" referred to in the singular, when it should be a plural and in fact always was referred to in the plural by the early generations. Yet it's now so overwhelmingly prevalent to say "the US is" that I find myself doing it merely to be conversant.
But to Pandora's point, and it is an excellent one, we as a society somewhere along the way have allowed the government to get away with the idea that its authority preexists ours. It's an important distinction logically and we need to hammer it home at every opportunity: we exist firstly, and all sovereignty is ours. What sovereignty we choose to loan to the State is our prerogative, not the State's.
Language really is that important. A big part of why the Left has been so successful in the Culture War comes down to nothing more complicated than them taking over the meaning of words and phrases. Next thing you know even the opposition is having to argue from the Left's faulty premise, and at that point the Left has by default already won whatever is being argued. This is why as just a small example I think we should stop flattering the authoritarian conceits of these useless, sinecured bureaucrats with terms like "officials" and "authorities". Start calling them "public servants".
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Of course Pan, I was being a smartass (as usual) and merely illustrate the insane logic the Left is trying to get us to swallow. Maybe their minions buy that BS coming and going, I (We) do not. Sorry if I amped your BP, frankly I am surprised all of us haven't had massive coronaries at the same time, these asshats sure are trying to trigger them!
It's basically the same with that libiot who was trying to press the argument that her discomfort with someone lawfully carrying a gun trumps the constitutionally guarantee to do so, even though there is ZERO constitutional protection for someone to not feel uncomfortable over any damned thing!
People today are so fracking ignorant or flat-out stupid. . .I just want to bulldoze them all the Hell out of my country! The deserve neither freedom or liberty, and I sure as Hell don't give a damn about their life! By attacking out very Founding essence they have declared themselves to be terrorists against freedom and liberty, they are to be shunned and expelled, period!
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Of course Pan, I was being a smartass (as usual) and merely illustrate the insane logic the Left is trying to get us to swallow. Maybe their minions buy that BS coming and going, I (We) do not. Sorry if I amped your BP, frankly I am surprised all of us haven't had massive coronaries at the same time, these asshats sure are trying to trigger them!
It's basically the same with that libiot who was trying to press the argument that her discomfort with someone lawfully carrying a gun trumps the constitutionally guarantee to do so, even though there is ZERO constitutional protection for someone to not feel uncomfortable over any damned thing!
People today are so fracking ignorant or flat-out stupid. . .I just want to bulldoze them all the Hell out of my country! The deserve neither freedom or liberty, and I sure as Hell don't give a damn about their life! By attacking out very Founding essence they have declared themselves to be terrorists against freedom and liberty, they are to be shunned and expelled, period!
Ah. I see I should have known that. ;D
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Of course Pan, I was being a smartass (as usual) and merely illustrate the insane logic the Left is trying to get us to swallow. Maybe their minions buy that BS coming and going, I (We) do not. Sorry if I amped your BP, frankly I am surprised all of us haven't had massive coronaries at the same time, these asshats sure are trying to trigger them!
It's basically the same with that libiot who was trying to press the argument that her discomfort with someone lawfully carrying a gun trumps the constitutionally guarantee to do so, even though there is ZERO constitutional protection for someone to not feel uncomfortable over any damned thing!
People today are so fracking ignorant or flat-out stupid. . .I just want to bulldoze them all the Hell out of my country! The deserve neither freedom or liberty, and I sure as Hell don't give a damn about their life! By attacking out very Founding essence they have declared themselves to be terrorists against freedom and liberty, they are to be shunned and expelled, period!
Ah. I see I should have known that. ;D
;)
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So DHS only has 16, I am supposed to wipe my brow and express relief? ::saywhat::
Yeah, ahh, no.
Plus, as seen with SkyNet taps on citizens without a warrant and drones and everything, they are already conditioning people to accept more Big Brother actions, so who is to say those 2700 other armored vehicels (and God knows what else) is NOT going to be used on civilians, ever?!
::saywhat::
Nothing has changed, the government that does not trust me is still asking me to trust it.
Fat chance.
Maybe because the others are for the marines?
You choose what to worry about, but I think it hurts the credibility of all conservatives when stuff that turns out to be FALSE goes viral and spreads all over the Internet. It just gives the left an excuse to paint us all as paranoid lunatics, a la Alex Jones/Prison Planet.
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So DHS only has 16, I am supposed to wipe my brow and express relief? ::saywhat::
Yeah, ahh, no.
Plus, as seen with SkyNet taps on citizens without a warrant and drones and everything, they are already conditioning people to accept more Big Brother actions, so who is to say those 2700 other armored vehicels (and God knows what else) is NOT going to be used on civilians, ever?!
::saywhat::
Nothing has changed, the government that does not trust me is still asking me to trust it.
Fat chance.
Maybe because the others are for the marines?
Right. A few went to DHS, about 17 IIRC, the rest to the marines ... on American soil.
You choose what to worry about, but I think it hurts the credibility of all conservatives when stuff that turns out to be FALSE goes viral and spreads all over the Internet. It just gives the left an excuse to paint us all as paranoid lunatics, a la Alex Jones/Prison Planet.
Becaaaauuuuuse they need a real reason, much less any excuse, even if they have to make. sht. up?
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Where did you get the information that the rest will be on American soil?
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Where did you get the information that the rest will be on American soil?
What information do you have that they're going elsewhere?
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That is an excellent point, and I am guilty of being oblivious to it at times. It's kind of like how it annoys me when I see "the United States" referred to in the singular, when it should be a plural and in fact always was referred to in the plural by the early generations. Yet it's now so overwhelmingly prevalent to say "the US is" that I find myself doing it merely to be conversant.
But to Pandora's point, and it is an excellent one, we as a society somewhere along the way have allowed the government to get away with the idea that its authority preexists ours. It's an important distinction logically and we need to hammer it home at every opportunity: we exist firstly, and all sovereignty is ours. What sovereignty we choose to loan to the State is our prerogative, not the State's.
Language really is that important. A big part of why the Left has been so successful in the Culture War comes down to nothing more complicated than them taking over the meaning of words and phrases. Next thing you know even the opposition is having to argue from the Left's faulty premise, and at that point the Left has by default already won whatever is being argued. This is why as just a small example I think we should stop flattering the authoritarian conceits of these useless, sinecured bureaucrats with terms like "officials" and "authorities". Start calling them "public servants
Glock, I'm a pretty simple guy but your comment just knocked me over with its profundity. Especially the bold parts.
Thank you for saying that
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Where did you get the information that the rest will be on American soil?
What information do you have that they're going elsewhere?
Navistar says that they are military vehicles for military use, for waging war?
Hello?
They are not being "purchased." They are coming back from war zones, i.e. Iraq and Afghanistan, etc. and they are being retrofitted as in "rehabbed." They are part of 32,000 vehicles for this purpose that have been contracted by Navistar.
What reason do you have to believe that the rest will all be staying in the U.S.? I guess I'm just supposed to do like you are, and assume the United States Marine Corps is going to wage war on us?
I'm also trying to understand why I'm supposed to be just as outraged about 16 MRAPS being under the control of the DHS as I was about 2717 of them. Did I not get the "what conservatives are supposed to be hysterical about today" memo?
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Where did you get the information that the rest will be on American soil?
I think the fact they they have started to redact information on such purchases is all of the proof we need that they aren't going abroad. Just as the we know that local police are getting armored vehicles and drones. Just as we know Borat is using the sequester to cut Military spending, but isn't touching DHS. Then there are the confirmed FEMA purchases of coffins and Mobile Bulletproof checkpoints. The Police stops to hand out pamplets. The Immigration checkpoints being set up 100s of miles from any border. Just as we know this regime has boldly stated that it may kill Americans on American soil without trial at will - at obvious odds with the Bill of Rights. Simply making that statement should be enough to support a charge of treason.
They are preparing to come for the "Bitter Clingers" - because PROGRESSIVES ALWAYS MASS MURDER THEIR FELLOW CITIZENS (http://gunslingersjournal.blogspot.com/2013/02/they-will-kill-you.html)
I recently got into an discussion with a guy over if Obama is destroying the economy because he wants to attempt a Marxist Coup, or if he just wants to punish and kill white Americans. (no I don't know the answer) - the idea that is isn't deliberate didn't even come up.
He was part of a group of people I see every year or so-- and how the attitude has changed. 4 Years ago it was "boy that Weisshaupt Character is extreme!" - Now its how many bullets, guns and gold got dropped in the river in the boating accident.
Progressives use whatever nasty bits of power and corruption they can accumulate. If it's a little, they smear you. If it's a lot, they kill you. DO. NOT. DOUBT. ME. - The Gunslinger
They have a lot of power now. They are accumulating more. I hoped I was wrong. I hoped everyone would be laughing by now at the big bag of beans and the money I spent.
NO. ONE. I. KNOW. IS. LAUGHING.
They are all getting guns, and taking concealed carry classes, and asking me where to buy dried food and where to invest their recently cashed out 401k. The Endgame is coming. The question is when, not if. The question is how far are they willing to go down the path of mass murder and genocide and what methods will they use , not if they are willing to go there. Limbaugh likes to say he will tell us when its time to panic. Well, gun sales indicate that time has arrived, people are panicked, or are at least convinced enough of the severity of the incoming storm that they are "emptying the grocery store shelves" of the needed supplies.
The warnings of Nukes from North Korea, the Threats from Iran, the strong arming from China means that our enemies smell the blood in the water. Every day we get a new piece of news in the long train of abuses and usurpations and proves that they are pursuing invariably the same Object and evinces a design to reduce us under absolute Despotism. Accurate information about what they are doing is going to become ever harder to come by.
THIS. IS. COMING. AND. PROBABLY. COMING. SOON. Maybe this year. Maybe in 3 or 4. If they can keep this charade of an economy intact (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/09/us-nyse-disasterplan-idUSBRE9280F020130309) we may even see a third term for Borat. Or it will be a new leftist douchebag. When you cheat at the elections and let foreigners whose crimes you forgave vote a legitimate election isn't going to happen. But this can't go on forever. The rest of the world, including China and Russia will end it as soon as they think they can benefit. There is no way we have as long as 10 years. And hopefully I am wrong and people will be laughing at me by then. But I doubt it.
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http://media.navistar.com/index.php?s=43&item=546 (http://media.navistar.com/index.php?s=43&item=546)
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Where did you get the information that the rest will be on American soil?
I think the fact they they have started to redact information on such purchases is all of the proof we need that they aren't going abroad. Just as the we know that local police are getting armored vehicles and drones. Just as we know Borat is using the sequester to cut Military spending, but isn't touching DHS. Then there are the confirmed FEMA purchases of coffins and Mobile Bulletproof checkpoints. The Police stops to hand out pamplets. The Immigration checkpoints being set up 100s of miles from any border. Just as we know this regime has boldly stated that it may kill Americans on American soil without trial at will - at obvious odds with the Bill of Rights. Simply making that statement should be enough to support a charge of treason.
They are preparing to come for the "Bitter Clingers" - because PROGRESSIVES ALWAYS MASS MURDER THEIR FELLOW CITIZENS (http://gunslingersjournal.blogspot.com/2013/02/they-will-kill-you.html)
I recently got into an discussion with a guy over if Obama is destroying the economy because he wants to attempt a Marxist Coup, or if he just wants to punish and kill white Americans. (no I don't know the answer) - the idea that is isn't deliberate didn't even come up.
He was part of a group of people I see every year or so-- and how the attitude has changed. 4 Years ago it was "boy that Weisshaupt Character is extreme!" - Now its how many bullets, guns and gold got dropped in the river in the boating accident.
Progressives use whatever nasty bits of power and corruption they can accumulate. If it's a little, they smear you. If it's a lot, they kill you. DO. NOT. DOUBT. ME. - The Gunslinger
They have a lot of power now. They are accumulating more. I hoped I was wrong. I hoped everyone would be laughing by now at the big bag of beans and the money I spent.
NO. ONE. I. KNOW. IS. LAUGHING.
They are all getting guns, and taking concealed carry classes, and asking me where to buy dried food and where to invest their recently cashed out 401k. The Endgame is coming. The question is when, not if. The question is how far are they willing to go down the path of mass murder and genocide and what methods will they use , not if they are willing to go there. Limbaugh likes to say he will tell us when its time to panic. Well, gun sales indicate that time has arrived, people are panicked, or are at least convinced enough of the severity of the incoming storm that they are "emptying the grocery store shelves" of the needed supplies.
The warnings of Nukes from North Korea, the Threats from Iran, the strong arming from China means that our enemies smell the blood in the water. Every day we get a new piece of news in the long train of abuses and usurpations and proves that they are pursuing invariably the same Object and evinces a design to reduce us under absolute Despotism.
THIS. IS. COMING. AND. PROBABLY. COMING. SOON. Maybe this year. Maybe in 3 or 4. If they can keep this charade of an economy intact (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/09/us-nyse-disasterplan-idUSBRE9280F020130309) we may even see a third term for Borat. Or it will be a new leftist douchebag. When you cheat at the elections and let foreigners whose crimes you forgave vote a legitimate election isn't going to happen. But this can't go on forever. The rest of the world, including China and Russia will end it as soon as they think they can benefit. There is no way we have as long as 10 years. And hopefully people will be laughing at me by then. But I doubt it.
This is not a "purchase." You don't even have an effing CLUE what you're talking about.
::bsmeter::
This place has apparently turned into Prison Planet while I was gone.
Nice to see you all again.
Bye bye!
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Wow.
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This is not a "purchase." You don't even have an effing CLUE what you're talking about.
In this particular case? Reassignment. Perfectly innocuous decommissioning? Whatever. Eventually when the room fills with smoke, you conclude there is a fire. Arguing over if this bit of smoke really came from the burning building or from someone's lit cigarette is irrelevant. The volume of smoke we are seeing can't just be from the cigarettes .. Its not like the case for there being a fire hinges on this one little story.
As I said, accurate information is going to be come ever harder to obtain given this regimes penchant for being corrupt, running guns, and deliberate plans to hurt the american people as much as possible with the sequester. They don't like transparency. They don't like Americans. They don't like Bitter-clingers. They don't like an armed populace. That much is very evident.
This place has apparently turned into Prison Planet while I was gone.
No, I have been this way for a long time. Sadly, the world is just living up to the expectations of the tin foil hats at the moment. Not everyone here is "like me" - but a significant number of us are seeing the large volume of smoke.
De Nile isn't just a River in Egypt.. but its soon going to become a dangerous game. No one wants to believe it, but the munitions purchases, govt actions, and the history of progressives in power all point to the same place. No one is saying that the Marines will be following orders to kill citizens. However there is significant evidence they are being trained to be desensitized to that action.
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WH, we're apparantly delusional and paranoid.
But, I always heard that's it's not paranoia if they really are out to get you.
For the longest time I usually looked for a rational explanation for the conspiracy theories.
Now, these same theories are the rational explanation.
You can be an ostrich and stick your head in the ground but your ass is sticking right out there to get blown off
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I can understand why people will refuse until the bitter end to see what is before their eyes. German citizens lived within smelling distance of concentration camps, and refused to acknowledge the evil done in their name. The human proclivity for wishing for normalcy in the presence of evil is a trait of the species. When the truth is more than your mind wishes to bear, some will ignore the truth, and lash out at those who tell it.
I would ask, what evidence does anyone have that Barack Hussein Obama has a moral limit to the power he would wield in the pursuit of a Socialist America? If he believed he had unfettered power, what would he NOT do?
The answer to that, taken in context with the widely acknowledged expansion of his claim to power, and his outright willingness to openly proclaim his intent to circumvent the legislative process and rule by regulatory and executive fiat, is the very next thing to consider. Compound that with his open disdain for the country as founded; his open disdain for Americans who value traditional America; his coddling of our enemies and shunning of allies; his willingness to cynically pit Americans against one another on whatever wedge he can find; constantly picking the scabs of racial wounds; his myriad attacks on civil liberties.
Then ask me why I get riled up when the Department of Homeland Security - a law enforcement arm that did not exist a decade ago - is creating a domestic army paralleling our military and police forces. Ask me why I object to helicopters flying over Miami and Houston firing blanks over the heads of uninformed and unprepared citizens. Ask me why I find it alarming that National Guard troops are running unannounced "exercises" in the streets of small towns without informing the citizens in whose streets they march with weapons in hand.
Now they want to take our firearms?
I understand your refusal to see what is before your face Janny.
But f**k you.
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The birth of tyranny always depends on repurposing existing infrastructure and institutions in service to that end. Did anyone seriously think the military and police would somehow be exempt? The real genius of the tyranny is that it can repurpose these things all while continuing to enjoy the veneration afforded to those institutions by people who prefer to associate them with their noble past, by people who are otherwise politically opposed to the unfolding tyranny.
Every time we ooh and aah over a sophisticated weapon system being used to kill little brown people somewhere, there's an implied threat "we can use these against you too, you know...just saying".
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Where did you get the information that the rest will be on American soil?
I think the fact they they have started to redact information on such purchases is all of the proof we need that they aren't going abroad. Just as the we know that local police are getting armored vehicles and drones. Just as we know Borat is using the sequester to cut Military spending, but isn't touching DHS. Then there are the confirmed FEMA purchases of coffins and Mobile Bulletproof checkpoints. The Police stops to hand out pamplets. The Immigration checkpoints being set up 100s of miles from any border. Just as we know this regime has boldly stated that it may kill Americans on American soil without trial at will - at obvious odds with the Bill of Rights. Simply making that statement should be enough to support a charge of treason.
They are preparing to come for the "Bitter Clingers" - because PROGRESSIVES ALWAYS MASS MURDER THEIR FELLOW CITIZENS (http://gunslingersjournal.blogspot.com/2013/02/they-will-kill-you.html)
I recently got into an discussion with a guy over if Obama is destroying the economy because he wants to attempt a Marxist Coup, or if he just wants to punish and kill white Americans. (no I don't know the answer) - the idea that is isn't deliberate didn't even come up.
He was part of a group of people I see every year or so-- and how the attitude has changed. 4 Years ago it was "boy that Weisshaupt Character is extreme!" - Now its how many bullets, guns and gold got dropped in the river in the boating accident.
Progressives use whatever nasty bits of power and corruption they can accumulate. If it's a little, they smear you. If it's a lot, they kill you. DO. NOT. DOUBT. ME. - The Gunslinger
They have a lot of power now. They are accumulating more. I hoped I was wrong. I hoped everyone would be laughing by now at the big bag of beans and the money I spent.
NO. ONE. I. KNOW. IS. LAUGHING.
They are all getting guns, and taking concealed carry classes, and asking me where to buy dried food and where to invest their recently cashed out 401k. The Endgame is coming. The question is when, not if. The question is how far are they willing to go down the path of mass murder and genocide and what methods will they use , not if they are willing to go there. Limbaugh likes to say he will tell us when its time to panic. Well, gun sales indicate that time has arrived, people are panicked, or are at least convinced enough of the severity of the incoming storm that they are "emptying the grocery store shelves" of the needed supplies.
The warnings of Nukes from North Korea, the Threats from Iran, the strong arming from China means that our enemies smell the blood in the water. Every day we get a new piece of news in the long train of abuses and usurpations and proves that they are pursuing invariably the same Object and evinces a design to reduce us under absolute Despotism.
THIS. IS. COMING. AND. PROBABLY. COMING. SOON. Maybe this year. Maybe in 3 or 4. If they can keep this charade of an economy intact (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/09/us-nyse-disasterplan-idUSBRE9280F020130309) we may even see a third term for Borat. Or it will be a new leftist douchebag. When you cheat at the elections and let foreigners whose crimes you forgave vote a legitimate election isn't going to happen. But this can't go on forever. The rest of the world, including China and Russia will end it as soon as they think they can benefit. There is no way we have as long as 10 years. And hopefully people will be laughing at me by then. But I doubt it.
This is not a "purchase." You don't even have an effing CLUE what you're talking about.
This place has apparently turned into Prison Planet while I was gone.
Nice to see you all again.
Bye bye!
I thought it was nice to see you again. I was wrong. You came back here and pulled an admirable imitation of John McCain denigrating Rand Paul on the Senate floor.
I guess I'm just supposed to do like you are, and assume the United States Marine Corps is going to wage war on us?
You're not "supposed" to do anything except keep a respectful attitude toward other people's opinions around here. I can see, however, that whatever bug you got up your ass that caused you to flounce off last time is still there.
The majority consensus among Conservatives is that Obongo and his merry band of thugs is planning something ... err ... unpleasant for us, and billions of rounds of hollow point ammunition -- you know the rounds that the International "community" frowns upon for use in international conflict -- being stockpiled by the Feds is only one of the reasons for that consensus.
I don't know where you've been hanging, RedState maybe, where people *aren't* alarmed, so, yeah, bye-bye to you as you find your way back there.
And don't let the door hit ya.
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Some thought on the apparent "confusion" over the use for these vehicles --
Supposedly, Navistar is rehabbing those being returned from Iraq and A-stan for military use, for war? Are we at war somewhere else of which I'm not aware (our little intervention in Africa notwithstanding)? And I know I saw a piece somewhere detailing the millions of dollars worth of equipment that will not be brought home; too expensive.
So, in the meantime, they *will* be on American soil, no? Granted, it takes time to do the retrofitting, so that's a factor. What else is worth considering is that now, while Obongo's sequester is set to cut around $20 billion from the increase in the military's annual budget, he's also willing to allow the spending required to upfit these vehicles?
None of this jives, for me at least.
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Janny - I've enjoyed your posts and participation right up until this thread. Your latest posts read like someone hijacked your account. In the event that those weren't yours I'd empathize that there is no litmus test for posting here other than a basic show of respect.
I am not in 100% lock-step with every opinion expressed here, I rather doubt that anyone is. There is no requirement that you conform to the opinions expressed about the MRAP's or the recent ammunition expenditures by the regime. You are free to hold other opinions - or no opinion at all.
You may want to take care of the broad-stroking... prison planet? Really?!
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Nobody hijacked her account. She pulled the same kind of crap before she flounced off the last time.
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Yeah, they were WTF moments.
As to the MRAP's, I am of the opinion that when we leave a theater we either destroy our equipment, leave it in goodwill to the exiting nation or bring it home. At home it's either refurbished and stored to be used later or auctioned off.
Military auctions have always been interesting/fun.
I don't have a problem with them bringing equipment home. If they use it for some non-traditional purpose, that could be a problem.
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I am not in 100% lock-step with every opinion expressed here, I rather doubt that anyone is. There is no requirement that you conform to the opinions expressed about the MRAP's or the recent ammunition expenditures by the regime. You are free to hold other opinions - or no opinion at all.
Actually I would love to have someone post a convincing argument that I am over-reaching or interpreting events wrong. I really don't want to believe this is where we are headed, any more than the Captain of the Titanic when he saw and knew that the magic fifth compartment would be flooded. I am sure he would have loved to hear a reason his eyes were playing tricks on him, that the final compartment wouldn't be breached, that there was something he could do to stop the flooding, that there was some way to survive and limp back to port.
Storming off the bridge in a huff because the captain noticed the ship is going down - because you think you are on the "unsinkable ship" , certainly isn't going to change anyone's mind. And yes, that is why we have these people getting mad at us and seeing tin foil hats.. because they believe the United States is unsinkable. After all - in 200 years it hasn't sunk. The fact that the compartments have been flooding one by one for the last 100 years notwithstanding. It took over 2 hours for the Titanic to sink, but it was inevitable ( and the bridge crew knew it) from almost the moment it happened. The ship America hit the iceberg before I was born. Its just taken this long for the flooding to finally take her down.
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I can understand why people will refuse until the bitter end to see what is before their eyes. German citizens lived within smelling distance of concentration camps, and refused to acknowledge the evil done in their name. The human proclivity for wishing for normalcy in the presence of evil is a trait of the species. When the truth is more than your mind wishes to bear, some will ignore the truth, and lash out at those who tell it.
I won't speculate as to what motivates or informs the opinions of anyone in this thread, but just wanted to emphasize IDP's point above. We are really beginning to see many of the classic symptoms of a society at war with itself. The human mind is geared to seek normalcy, and comfortable illusion is preferable to uncomfortable truth for many, many people. Wasn't there a subplot in The Matrix about one of the resistance members working with the Agents in exchange for being allowed back into the false reality?
And not to dogpile, but in the list of items of concern that IDP mentioned, I have one more that lends credence to the worries expressed here: the Army war college is now openly running simulations and scenarios where it engages American citizens on American soil, and never just any American citizens. One infamous general staff course was so specific as to say "the Tea Party" takes control of Darlington, SC and the Army will be brought out to show them that they're now up against real professional soldiers. The whole thing was dripping with authority fetish if you bother to read it. The military refuses to admit there is even such a thing as Islamic terrorism, but has no trouble at all wargaming against the government's perceived enemies. It describes them with a laundry list of details: veneration of the Constitution, gun rights advocacy, Gadsden flag displaying, and so on. You can't make this stuff up. It's not some conspiracy in the fevered imaginations of tin foil hatters, it's in the government's own white papers and instructional materials.
Does anyone really think the words "fundamental transformation" are something to be nonchalant about? What would it mean to apply fundamental transformation to your house? Picking out new blinds for the living room? Repainting the bathroom? No, more like bulldozing it down to the concrete slab and building something new in its place. We're meant to be bulldozed.
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If there is a better forum it is well hidden.
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I am not in 100% lock-step with every opinion expressed here, I rather doubt that anyone is. There is no requirement that you conform to the opinions expressed about the MRAP's or the recent ammunition expenditures by the regime. You are free to hold other opinions - or no opinion at all.
Actually I would love to have someone post a convincing argument that I am over-reaching or interpreting events wrong. I really don't want to believe this is where we are headed, any more than the Captain of the Titanic when he saw and knew that the magic fifth compartment would be flooded. I am sure he would have loved to hear a reason his eyes were playing tricks on him, that the final compartment wouldn't be breached, that there was something he could do to stop the flooding, that there was some way to survive and limp back to port.
Storming off the bridge in a huff because the captain noticed the ship is going down - because you think you are on the "unsinkable ship" , certainly isn't going to change anyone's mind. And yes, that is why we have these people getting mad at us and seeing tin foil hats.. because they believe the United States is unsinkable. After all - in 200 years it hasn't sunk. The fact that the compartments have been flooding one by one for the last 100 years notwithstanding. It took over 2 hours for the Titanic to sink, but it was inevitable ( and the bridge crew knew it) from almost the moment it happened. The ship America hit the iceberg before I was born. Its just taken this long for the flooding to finally take her down.
First, a preface: "Hope for the best - plan for the worst"
As much as I wouldn't put anything past Øbongo if he decided that conditions warranted it, it is my belief that he is playing a ginormous game of "flinch" with the American people. I don't personally have any compelling evidence that he is preparing to ship people en masse to some FEMA camps. that doesn't mean it couldn't happen.....
Occam's razor can be mis-read to interpret the recent mass purchases of ammunition and the refurbishment of the MRAP's to meaning one thing and one thing only: the intentional subjugation of American citizens. I just might but I have yet to see convincing evidence to support that conclusion in any way other then subjective and circumstantial.
Øbongo feeds on fear and preys upon the dis-ease of his subjects. "Never let a good crisis go to waste". And if you don't have one available, make one. Sequestration. Gun control. These are artificial crisis's that he is exploiting to move his agenda forward. As a Sociopath he doesn't have the slightest inclination toward regard for the suffering of the masses so, if he can goad a 'winger into pulling the trigger, he will gain traction with his ambitions.
That's what Occam's Razor tells me.
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I think he's daring us to throw the first punch
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"Hope for the best - plan for the worst"
My motto, and the motto of many here.
I don't like contemplating our own military being twisted and shaped into an instrument available to the likes of O'Bongo and his ilk to cow the population in to accepting slavery, but denying that it is even possible when history has shown it can and will happen anywhere anytime is just naive and not a little dangerous. This is not the United States many of us grew up in that respects individual rights and the rule of law, we have had our Republic co-opted by statists dominating the major political parties, by unelected bureaucrats and feckless state and local institutions and aided by more than willing accomplices in the MFM/Entertainment Complex. It can happen here, the script is being followed and the point of no return may have already passed and many may not be aware of when or how.
"Hope for the best - plan for the worst"?
Damn right, and do not discount the latter!!!
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My father instructed me to "make a U-turn", I responded that I couldn't just do that in the middle of the road. He asked, "is there a sign that says you can't?" That's what America is today, the ignorant waiting for permission.
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And no doubt the same permission-seekers will let these assholes off the hook again when they once again stand up to be counted among the destroyers of the Second Amendment.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PRO_GUN_DEMOCRATS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-03-09-19-27-44 (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PRO_GUN_DEMOCRATS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-03-09-19-27-44)
I've been around too long to think these assholes can be held politically accountable for treasonous actions, other action will be necessary.
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For what its worth, Forbes and Denver Post (http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphbenko/2013/03/11/1-6-billion-rounds-of-ammo-for-homeland-security-its-time-for-a-national-conversation/) are also covering this now - complete with 1.6 Billion round number, and the MRAPs - and implies without evidence (via another blogger) that DHS is getting the MRAPS via the Marines, along with anecdotal info that they have been actually sighted on US Streets.
from the comments:
Daniel 13 minutes ago
Infowars.com had this *months* ago. OLD NEWS.
AJ’s site isn’t so wacky, now is it?
And that, I think, my friends, is the point. I have been adding info-wars to my weekly site troll for weeks now. I used to visit there for the occasional laugh, and I still laugh at some of the interpretations of the information they come up with. But the info, that seems to be getting ever more solid, in a way that it never has been.
Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.
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Glad you monitor him and edit him for us. He does bring forth salient information.
It just give me a headache sorting it out.
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Another illustrative reason (among millions of examples) why the special Hell reserved for the Deomcrat-Media Complex conspirators needs to be expedited!
They are already dead to me, making it official will be easy.
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I love it when Regime asshats refuse to answer to those who provide the funds...time to cut the funds off 100%!
http://www.infowars.com/big-sis-refuses-to-answer-congress-on-ammo-purchases/ (http://www.infowars.com/big-sis-refuses-to-answer-congress-on-ammo-purchases/)
GOPussies won't do it though. Ask, piss and moan, throw arms up and quit.
And people wonder why their party is dying...
::facepalm::
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Hey now, your being mean, a down right bully.
You know they are really trying hard. They
should be penned with a ribbon.
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Hey now, your being mean, a down right bully.
You know they are really trying hard. They
should be penned with a ribbon.
Posthumously, I take it.
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I applaud Ret. Captain Hestilow for his 30 years of service and his bravery in stepping forward to offer his military credibility to the growing demands that this DHS be held accountable for its current mad-rush to militarization.
But as heartened as I am by his boldness, I am equally disappointed that higher-ranking officers both retired AND active duty are thus far unwilling to put words to this regime's threat to the country, and their sworn constitutional duty to stop the domestic threat.
Retired Army Officer: DHS Must Surrender Their War Weapons to Dept. of Defense (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/03/retired-army-officer-dhs-must-surrender-their-war-weapons-to-dept-of-defense/)
The Honorable Senator John Cornyn, State of Texas
United States Senate
517 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510
Re: Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and that agencies preparation for war against citizens of the United States of America
Dear Senator Cornyn,
It is with gravest concern that I write to you today concerning the recent appropriation of weapons by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) that can only be understood as a bold threat of war by that agency, and the Obama administration, against the citizens of the United States of America. To date, DHS has been unwilling to provide to you, the elected representatives of the People, justification for recent purchases of almost 3,000 mine-resistant ambush-protected (MRAP) armored personnel carriers, 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition (with associated weapons), and other weapons systems, when, in fact, the DHS has no war mission or war making authority within the limits of the United States of America.
Significant is the fact that at the same time the Obama administration is arming his DHS for war within the limits of the United States against the People of the United States in accordance with his 2008 campaign speech claiming,
“We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve gotta (sic) have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded [as the United States military]”–Candidate Barack Obama, 2008.
The Obama administration is deliberately defunding, overextending, and hollowing the Department of Defense; the only legitimate agency of the U.S. government with a war mission.
This act of the Obama administration stands as a glaring threat of war against our nation’s citizens! This act of the Obama administration can only be understood as a tyrannical threat against the Constitution of the United States of America! If left unresolved, the peace loving citizens who have sworn to defend the United States Constitution “against all enemies, both foreign and domestic” are left no option except to prepare to defend themselves, and the U.S. Constitution, against this Administration’s “coup” against the People and the foundations of liberty fought for and defended for the past 238 years. We have no choice if we honor our oaths.
The only proper response to this threat against the American people is for the representatives of the People, the members of the U.S. House and Senate, to demand in clear terms that the Administration cannot ignore, that the Department of Homeland Security immediately surrender their newly appropriated weapons of war to the Department of Defense (DoD). Further, since the DHS has assumed a position in the Administration to enforce the tyrannical acts of this president against the People of the United States against the limits of the United States Constitution, it remains for the United States Congress to exercise its limiting power in the balancing of powers established by our founding fathers, to disestablish and dissolve the DHS as soon as possible. One needs only to look to the rise of Adolf Hitler, and his associated DHS organizations, the SA and the SS, of 1932-1934, to see the outcome of allowing an agency of government this kind of control over the free citizens of a nation. The people of Germany could not have imagined, until it was too late, the danger of allowing a tyrant this kind of power. We must not be so naïve as to think it will not happen to us as well if we remain passive toward this power grab by the Marxist Obama administration!
Finally, for more than two centuries the nation has lived in peace at home because of the protections of our legitimate military and the many appropriate state and federal law enforcement agencies, supported by Constitutional courts. We stand today at a cross-road. Will we allow this present Administration to overthrow our United States Constitution and its legal processes to amend injustices, or, will we honor our obligations to defend the Constitution against a “domestic” enemy? Our Constitution lays out the proper methods of resolving our differences; and it does not include its overthrow by a rogue agency of a Marxist leadership at home. You, sir, are our constitutionally elected agent to defend our Constitution at home. We are counting upon you. We remain aware, however, of this present threat and will not expose ourselves as an easy prey to the authors of the destruction of our nation.
I know that this letter demands much of you. We elected you because we, the citizens of the State of Texas, believe that you are up to the task at hand and will, against all threats, honor your oath and office. We are also writing to your fellow members of the House and Senate to stand in integrity with the Constitution and against this present threat by the Obama administration and his DHS.
We refuse to surrender our Constitution or our nation!
Resolved,
Captain Terry M. Hestilow
United States Army, Retired
Fort Worth, Texas
March 23, 2013
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Bravo! More!
And don't forget those recently purchased 7,000 rifles are classified by DHS as "self-defense weapons", while the same ones we own are "assault weapons".
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I agree with you IDP, there should be a lot more people of influence speaking out and demanding action, it is one of those yes-but moments we all wish would catch fire and sweep across the nation and really get the attention of decision makers.
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Bravo! More!
Waaaaay more!!!
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DHS To Buy 360,000 More Rounds of Hollow Point Ammunition (http://www.infowars.com/dhs-to-buy-360000-more-rounds-of-hollow-point-ammunition/)
and
McCain and Sens. Susan Collins (R-Maine) and Dean Heller (R-Nev.) are at the top of a list of Republicans considered most likely to sign on to legislation expanding background checks after talks with Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) stalled earlier this month.
Sen. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) has signaled he will likely support the yet-to-be-finalized proposal he negotiated with Sens. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) to expand background checks to cover private gun sales, according to Senate sources
Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/289971-mccain-emerges-as-key-republican-in-expanding-background-checks-#ixzz2OZSpTFIg (http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/289971-mccain-emerges-as-key-republican-in-expanding-background-checks-#ixzz2OZSpTFIg)
Somebody should put more Whiskey in McCain's soup.
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That's only one hollow point for every man woman and child living in the city limits of New Orleans, all quite an innocent transaction really, like the preceding millions of rounds...it's all to fend off the Nibiru's...
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Oh, and. . .
McCain - ::doublebird::
Collins - ::doublebird::
Heller - ::doublebird::
Kirk - ::doublebird::
Schumer - ::overkill::
Manchin - ::overkill::
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I wonder what our oh-so-reasonable and non-tin-foil-hattish former friend Janny would have to say about this....
From a retired cop with whom I am facebook friends...
I can vouch for the fact that in my 22 years as a cop, I never, ever trained with hollow point bullets, with the rare exception that when our duty ammo became old (about 7-8 years I believe) we did fire off our duty ammo and had it replaced at the range with fresh hollow points. Though my duty weapon was always loaded with hollow point bullets, those rounds were provided only for on-duty carry. During my many range qualifications, we were always provided solid tip training ammo which was far less expensive to produce. Homeland Security once again is lying to the American public regarding their true motives in these massive purchases. Since hollow point bullets are banned by international treaty for use by military forces, the only possible target for these hollow point bullets are Americans like you and I, my friends.
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If this had been going on during the Bush administration the special interest brokers
would bleat appeals to the United Nations and the media would be on it like a pack
of wolves on Bambi. Followed shortly by uproarious inquisitions.
Oh, Johnny Boehner; Oh, Mitch McConnell and all you sons of bitches in both houses
who promoted them to leadership. And all the fools that voted for them in the first place
may your rewards be rich.
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I wonder what our oh-so-reasonable and non-tin-foil-hattish former friend Janny would have to say about this....
From a retired cop with whom I am facebook friends...
I believe she is an example of how truly effective the cultural virus of Leftism has been. I've mentioned before that I think the retrovirus in nature is a perfect analog to what the Left is in a civilization. Like a virus it uploads itself into a civilization's "cells", i.e. cultural institutions, and then repurposes them to disseminate its goals. Because those institutions were originally created for legitimate, even noble, purposes they retain a large degree of deferential respect from people otherwise opposed to the Left's mission. I'm thinking specifically of things like the police, the military, education, and so on. Conservatives are very deferential to the police and the military. That can be a liability if those institutions are being actively taken over by statist authoritarians who plan to use them as their primary instruments at squashing a backlash to their incipient, unfolding tyranny.
But what do I know, doubting that our government is benevolent in all its doings? I might as well go back to Infowars!
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I wonder what our oh-so-reasonable and non-tin-foil-hattish former friend Janny would have to say about this....
From a retired cop with whom I am facebook friends...
I believe she is an example of how truly effective the cultural virus of Leftism has been. I've mentioned before that I think the retrovirus in nature is a perfect analog to what the Left is in a civilization. Like a virus it uploads itself into a civilization's "cells", i.e. cultural institutions, and then repurposes them to disseminate its goals. Because those institutions were originally created for legitimate, even noble, purposes they retain a large degree of deferential respect from people otherwise opposed to the Left's mission. I'm thinking specifically of things like the police, the military, education, and so on. Conservatives are very deferential to the police and the military. That can be a liability if those institutions are being actively taken over by statist authoritarians who plan to use them as their primary instruments at squashing a backlash to their incipient, unfolding tyranny.
But what do I know, doubting that our government is benevolent in all its doings? I might as well go back to Infowars!
I understand this virus theory intellectually, sort of. What I do not ken is the refusal by some to periodically switch to re-evaluation mode as a reality check, i.e. do the conditions still hold upon which they've based their opinion and respect. It's not sacrilegious to take stock of what exists today, compare it to yesterday, and determine that the aforesaid institutions are no longer worthy of respect, support and deference. I speak specifically of LEOs, and of the military as well, what with the feminization and homosexualization being imposed on it. Failure to get a grip on *why* it's being done too demonstrates another form of tinfoil hat-wearing.
I'm with you on the Infowars; besides it took the likes of the National Enquirer to get the straight skinny on Monica's blue dress.
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I wonder what our oh-so-reasonable and non-tin-foil-hattish former friend Janny would have to say about this....
From a retired cop with whom I am facebook friends...
I believe she is an example of how truly effective the cultural virus of Leftism has been. I've mentioned before that I think the retrovirus in nature is a perfect analog to what the Left is in a civilization. Like a virus it uploads itself into a civilization's "cells", i.e. cultural institutions, and then repurposes them to disseminate its goals. Because those institutions were originally created for legitimate, even noble, purposes they retain a large degree of deferential respect from people otherwise opposed to the Left's mission. I'm thinking specifically of things like the police, the military, education, and so on. Conservatives are very deferential to the police and the military. That can be a liability if those institutions are being actively taken over by statist authoritarians who plan to use them as their primary instruments at squashing a backlash to their incipient, unfolding tyranny.
But what do I know, doubting that our government is benevolent in all its doings? I might as well go back to Infowars!
I understand this virus theory intellectually, sort of. What I do not ken is the refusal by some to periodically switch to re-evaluation mode as a reality check, i.e. do the conditions still hold upon which they've based their opinion and respect. It's not sacrilegious to take stock of what exists today, compare it to yesterday, and determine that the aforesaid institutions are no longer worthy of respect, support and deference. I speak specifically of LEOs, and of the military as well, what with the feminization and homosexualization being imposed on it. Failure to get a grip on *why* it's being done too demonstrates another form of tinfoil hat-wearing.
I'm with you on the Infowars; besides it took the likes of the National Enquirer to get the straight skinny on Monica's blue dress.
I agree with that, it's not sacrilegious to make that reevaluation and I think that's what all of us here have done. But apparently for a lot of people it might as well be. I was listening to Alex Jones' radio show on Friday (here I go discrediting myself) and he was talking about his early years in radio, when he was just beginning to develop a popular show on a station in Austin. He had reported on training exercises the Marines had been conducting about gun confiscation, which was recorded on video, and how he was called into the program director's office and told "don't you dare talk about my Marines again". So it's like, we're not to ask questions or discuss the possibility of the police and military being effectively hijacked and twisted into doing things like this, because asking the question is somehow unpatriotic and disrespectful of the institutions? Apparently, yes, that's exactly the position a lot of people take.
It's infuriatingly ironic, because there is indeed something unpatriotic and disrespectful of the military going on -- but the disrespect is from the politicians who are corrupting their mission, not those of us sounding the alarm.
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Hey, you know those armored vehicles that weren't purchased, refurbished or otherwise deployed domestically
Check out the train (http://www.infowars.com/video-hundreds-of-dhs-armored-trucks-on-the-move/)
Courtesy of Infowars of course.
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"Nothing to see here, move along."
Then one day you wake up and see military vehicles swarming neighborhoods and rounding up neighbors...soon you find yourself in a FEMA camp (if you're still alive). But remember the good old days of "Nothing to see here, move along"!
::gaah::
So many ::cussing:: people to throttle, so ::cussing:: little time!
:'(
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(http://bigrab.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/tin-foil-hat.jpg)
/sarc
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Surely, they have a huge warehouse.
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Surely.
Perhaps it is even vulnerable to theft and/or accidental fire?
::stirpot::
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Indeed.
Just hand an unreported thought ::speechless::
These empty shelves - it seems as though they are equally as empty in such utopias as NY, CA, WA and the solid blue states as they are in the most redneck, bitterclinging hellholes of the US. Interesting.
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Love that scene, Glock; it's one of my favorites, in one of my all-time favorite movies.
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The question seems to be, are they placing these huge orders because they intend to wage war against the citizenry of this country, or is it more of an effort to frustrate and confound the bitter-clingers by drying up the market? Of course, you can make a convincing case that it's probably a bit of both.
But if it's more the latter, it wouldn't surprise me if they buy it up only to be destroyed, hence a lack of warehouses. It would be very government of them wouldn't it? They do like to have one agency to dig holes and another agency to fill them.
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I find it unlikely to the point of unthinkable that these bureaucracies would spend money on guns, ammo, and armored vehicles, for the sole purpose of destroying it to thwart the citizenry's access to guns and ammo in the free market.
No, they won't destroy it. It would be illogical, given their aspirations and the resistance they will surely face in achieving them.
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I find it unlikely to the point of unthinkable that these bureaucracies would spend money on guns, ammo, and armored vehicles, for the sole purpose of destroying it to thwart the citizenry's access to guns and ammo in the free market.
No, they won't destroy it. It would be illogical, given their aspirations and the resistance they will surely face in achieving them.
Buying up hollow points a pro-active, forward looking move to a congressional compromise that solid bullets are OK but hollow points are against the Geneva Convention and will be universally banned.
There would be no run at the market because the market had already ceased.
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They are being purchased for an eventuality. The way I see it, applying Occam's Razor could not make it more clear.
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I think it is clear that they know the economy is going to implode, and they are readying themselves for the
crisis opportunity that follows. They would have to know it is going to implode because they are doing everything possible to make it.
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I find it unlikely to the point of unthinkable that these bureaucracies would spend money on guns, ammo, and armored vehicles, for the sole purpose of destroying it to thwart the citizenry's access to guns and ammo in the free market.
No, they won't destroy it. It would be illogical, given their aspirations and the resistance they will surely face in achieving them.
This is the same govt that ordered the slaughter of millions of pigs and chickens when people were starving in the Great Depression - you know to keep the value of the meat at "sustainable levels" Incompetence is a possible answer. (http://www.businessinsider.com/irs-star-trek-parody-video-cost-taxes-2013-3) I just don't think its the likely one this in case for the reasons you point out. I think the reason the anti-gunners are near hysterical is because they know, in their heart of hearts, that they are the bullies and that they DESERVE to be shot for what they have done and what they wish to do.
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I agree Weisshaupt. Wouldn't be surprised though to see a token warehouse used for a false-flag event for a patsy of suitable non-libiot background to take the blame in order to usher in the second to last series of directives that establish the coming dictatorship. I put nothing past the statists.
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Would be nice if there was an "accident" at one of these ammo warehouses. Maybe the sheeple would be scared if one of those places inexplicably caught fire or blew up, then they would scream for the gov to protect them and get rid of the warehouses. Just a thought.
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Attention, NRA members:
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/03/27/an_initiative_to_seize_on_gun_control_117665.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/03/27/an_initiative_to_seize_on_gun_control_117665.html)
Requiring background checks for nearly all gun purchases is a change that is simultaneously more effective than banning assault weapons and more politically achievable.
Which is why the real worry of gun control advocates shouldn't be Reid's supposed perfidy in jettisoning assault weapons -- it's whether the background check measure passed by the Senate Judiciary Committee is too strong even to make it to the Senate floor.
It pains me to write those words, but this is the legislative reality. The behind-the-scenes Senate negotiating over background checks is being conducted by Democrats Charles Schumer and Joe Manchin and Republican Tom Coburn.
They largely agree that the requirement for background checks should be expanded to cover most private sales -- at gun shows, over the Internet, in other, non-family transactions. This would close a gaping loophole -- some estimates put the number as high as 40 percent of gun transfers -- in the existing system.
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I'm reliably told that despite its continuing fulminating, the NRA may not actively oppose expanded checks without recordkeeping.[/blockquote]
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Don't gang up on me but I have no problem with expanded background checks, I have a problem with the record keeping.
Record keeping = registry
People with a history (criminal records) of violence should not be able to get guns, or at least should have to justify it to the background check. There are people that should not have access to guns (liberals, career criminals, etc). But any law abiding citizen has the right to defend themselves and if a check shows that we are law abiding we should be able to own a weapon, any weapon.
Thoughts?
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The problem I have with it is that any legitimate power given to the state invariably becomes an illegitimate power. You have to allow power to the state only on the assumption that the absolute worst of humanity will be the ones exercising it, so if you're not willing to empower the dregs of humanity with something then you shouldn't empower the best of humanity with it either.
It may sound reasonable to say that one stranger buying a firearm from another stranger should have to go through the same background check as they would buying it from a dealer, but who will it really affect? Will criminals trading and selling guns amongst themselves be affected? Of course not. It's just something else that only affects people who aren't a problem, it's just something else to serve as a framework for future more onerous restrictions.
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Every single aspect of government control over exercising our 2nd Amendment rights affects only one segment of firearm users: the law abiding.
Checking the background of private individuals transferring fireams will yield no change in gun violence. The guns that will be used in crimes will be used in crimes regardless of whether their owners had a background check. Criminals who want a gun without a background check will get one, easily.
Criminals, by definition, are either exempt from the background check due to their willingness to go outside the law to get a gun, or they will commit their crime in spite of having had the background check.
This is a simple case of the federal government stealing whatever they can of our liberty using the bodies of dead children as their demagogic tool.
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What they ^^ said, so, NO.
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It's like "a little bit pregnant", can't have that.
As said in the amendment, "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." Any impingement is an infringement.
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Yello Hammer (http://yellowhammerpolitics.com/blog/alabama-democrat-representative-emails-epic-racist-rant/)
When a citizen sent a pro-2nd amendment email to the publicly available addresses of almost every member of the legislature, Rep. Joseph Mitchell (D-Mobile) decided it was time to get a few things off his chest. A Senator forwarded me the ensuing email thread, as both Mitchell and the citizen continued to CC pretty much everyone in the legislature. The unedited text of the emails is below (http://yellowhammerpolitics.com/blog/alabama-democrat-representative-emails-epic-racist-rant/). The only thing I’ve removed is a portion of the initial email from the citizen that was simply copy and pasted text from the State’s constitution and from a Supreme Court ruling. The citizen included these excerpts in his email to support the point he was making.
(http://yellowhammerpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Rep.jpg)
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What do you wanna bet Mitchell just made himself a hero to his constituents?
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Clearly it's time for Lord Obama to engage in a national conversation on Race.
If Barack Obama had a father who wasn't Frank Marshall Davis, he would look like Joseph Marshall.
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Yes, we took up arms and had this little thing called the civil war, or are you too ignorant to know that Nigger?
The only reason you, a black man, holds the office you do is because a white man like me took up arms to accomplish it on the orders of a White president, and if that hadn't happened, you, nigger, would still be in chains. You owe White men your freedom, and how do you repay them?
Given the amount of crime and violence perpetrated by guns in BLACK hands usually by other niggers like yourself, you should be proposing the White people keep their guns and that Black people shouldn't be allowed to own them.
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Speaking about gun confiscation Vice President Joeseph Biden said:
“Let me say this as clearly as I can: this is just the beginning.”
“We believe that weapons of war have no place on our streets. That’s the message that retired admirals and generals have spoken to us about. The comment one of them used was if you want to learn how to use a semiautomatic weapon, join the United States Military. But these are weapons of war,”
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“We believe there’s no rational reason why someone would need a clip that can hold 15, 20, 30, 100 bullets, 100 rounds,” ...“We have to do more, and we will do more.”
One must read between the lines a bit.
Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/27/biden-latest-gun-limit-bill-just-beginning/#ixzz2On7H5zLC (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/27/biden-latest-gun-limit-bill-just-beginning/#ixzz2On7H5zLC)
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Then of course, there's these guys:
[SHORT VERSION] Black conservative leaders discuss how the NRA was created to protect freed slaves (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RABZq5IoaQ#ws)
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Yes, we took up arms and had this little thing called the civil war, or are you too ignorant to know that Nigger?
The only reason you, a black man, holds the office you do is because a white man like me took up arms to accomplish it on the orders of a White president, and if that hadn't happened, you, nigger, would still be in chains. You owe White men your freedom, and how do you repay them?
Given the amount of crime and violence perpetrated by guns in BLACK hands usually by other niggers like yourself, you should be proposing the White people keep their guns and that Black people shouldn't be allowed to own them.
I like that, mind if I use it?
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"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788
I hereby submit the proposal that it is the *many* public officials whom we insist must be disarmed.
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Give an inch, asshats take a mile, the chorus should scream "Hell NO!" and hold feet to the fire...and backsliders get stuffed all the way onto the glowing embers!
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Yello Hammer (http://yellowhammerpolitics.com/blog/alabama-democrat-representative-emails-epic-racist-rant/)
When a citizen sent a pro-2nd amendment email to the publicly available addresses of almost every member of the legislature, Rep. Joseph Mitchell (D-Mobile) decided it was time to get a few things off his chest. A Senator forwarded me the ensuing email thread, as both Mitchell and the citizen continued to CC pretty much everyone in the legislature. The unedited text of the emails is below (http://yellowhammerpolitics.com/blog/alabama-democrat-representative-emails-epic-racist-rant/). The only thing I’ve removed is a portion of the initial email from the citizen that was simply copy and pasted text from the State’s constitution and from a Supreme Court ruling. The citizen included these excerpts in his email to support the point he was making.
(http://yellowhammerpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Rep.jpg)
Kiss my lilly white ass!!How many White MEN died so you could have the right to say that?
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Yes, we took up arms and had this little thing called the civil war, or are you too ignorant to know that Nigger?
The only reason you, a black man, holds the office you do is because a white man like me took up arms to accomplish it on the orders of a White president, and if that hadn't happened, you, nigger, would still be in chains. You owe White men your freedom, and how do you repay them?
Given the amount of crime and violence perpetrated by guns in BLACK hands usually by other niggers like yourself, you should be proposing the White people keep their guns and that Black people shouldn't be allowed to own them.
I like that, mind if I use it?
Its a bit stolen already so feel free - my buddy tells a story about a "diversity training" (early on in the introduction of such things) where the trainer made every minority in the room thank the white people for sharing their power with them . Women- You have the right to vote because White Men voted to give you that. Blacks- you are free in American because whites were the first to decide slavery was immoral, they died on the battlefield to free your ancestors, and so on. White Men were the power in this country and they voted and decided to willingly share it. No White men aren't implicitly saints, but neither is any other race, as much as they want to play the victim. What does it matter what some people my color did to some people your color 100 years ago? Does that justify you doing the reverse now? To them, it does, which is why invaders used to kill every native male in the occupied territory. A Policy we should remember when its our turn..
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Let it not be said that Alex Jones does not know genius when he sees it and uses it when it is necessary -
Talk show host Mark Levin, a lawyer who served in several posts during the Reagan administration and who is no conspiracy theorist, had this to say about DHS’ extraordinary purchases:
To provide some perspective, experts estimate that at the peak of the Iraq war American troops were firing around 5.5 million rounds per month. At that rate, the [Department of Homeland Security] is armed now for a 24-year Iraq war. … I’m going to tell you what I think is going on. I don’t think domestic insurrection. Law enforcement and national security agencies, they play out multiple scenarios. … I’ll tell you what I think they’re simulating: the collapse of our financial system, the collapse of our society and the potential for widespread violence, looting, killing in the streets, because that’s what happens when an economy collapses. I suspect that just in case our fiscal situation, our monetary situation, collapses, and following it the civil society collapses, that is the rule of law, they want to be prepared. I know why the government’s arming up: It’s not because there’s going to be an insurrection; it’s because our society is unraveling.
http://www.infowars.com/dhs-excuses-for-buying-so-much-ammo-dont-add-up/ (http://www.infowars.com/dhs-excuses-for-buying-so-much-ammo-dont-add-up/)
Hyperinflation always starts with a surge in asset prices. And as I see stock markets at new highs, property prices posting big increases, and bond yields of the greatest debtor nations in the world hover at just over ZERO, a sane person ought to consider these important lessons from history.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-27/guest-post-sane-person-ought-consider-these-important-lessons (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-27/guest-post-sane-person-ought-consider-these-important-lessons)
Cross posted at -
http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,7154.msg94283.html (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,7154.msg94283.html)
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I’ll tell you what I think they’re simulating: the collapse of our financial system, the collapse of our society and the potential for widespread violence, looting, killing in the streets, because that’s what happens when an economy collapses. I suspect that just in case our fiscal situation, our monetary situation, collapses, and following it the civil society collapses, that is the rule of law, they want to be prepared. I know why the government’s arming up: It’s not because there’s going to be an insurrection; it’s because our society is unraveling
Sure. But... NEVER. LET. A. CRISIS. GO. TO. WASTE.
They will use this chaos as the excuse to disarm the American people and move their agenda forward. BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS DO. This crisis is engineered Cloward-Piven - they could work to avert it, but instead they pile on more debt. They force more people onto welfare. They add regulation that slow commerce and even attepted to kill family farms by outlawing child labor on them.
They aren't worried about preparing in case of an insurrection.. they are planning to use the chaos as an excuse for forcing the bitter clingers into one. Look! The Evil Bitter Clingers shot at our freedom loving troops who are only disarming the people for their own protection. We must all pull together and co-operate with authorities. Turn in your neighbors, that way we can put them in work camps as a punishment for their anti-social behavior.
I have never been convinced that Obama (or anyone) wants control over the United States, as such control is almost impossible given we are armed to the teeth and actually think we have God-Given inalienable rights. The goal here might not be domination - it might be just neutering us and removing us from the world stage, allowing them to consolidate control elsewhere, while we wallow in decades of Civil war. Then once we finish killing each other, they are ready to take us on- the rest of the world vs the NAR. Hell they might just EMP pulse the country at that point and leave us in darkness for another 10 years. Or just nuke usi nthe middle of the conflict while we have no Command and control capable of responding. Or just release a plague and watch us die of inadequate treatment.
Levin is wrong. This isn't just concern over a societal collapse. They will use this to try and ensure that America either becomes a Marxist dictatorship, or is utterly destroyed.
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If Levin is correct and Libertas observation is accurate, the unraveling and hyperinflation goes directly to Glock's question about what does one do with what they have in order to preserve and/or increase their wealth in this scenario.
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I am not going to discount Weisshaupts interpretation, in actuality there is no way to know what the full scope of statist strategy and tactics may be until they are advanced into action, if they plan on jumping in before crap hits the fan or after, the end result is the same - we are on our own. To CO's point I do not think there is a "perfect" strategy to retain ones wealth and I certainly do not think increasing it is going to be very likely. Not getting too wedded to one strategy makes the most sense, but given the trends we are seeing guns, ammo, food, water and medical supplies seem to be the best investments, PMs may not have utility until further down the line when what remains of an indigineous population is poised to venture beyond their enclaves and establish trade, land is likely good but probably not so if in proximity to urban zoos, government installations and the like. You will have to have the means and the personnel to keep what you have, either you can or you cannot. One plan does not fit all.
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DHS goons grilled on ammo purchases & use!
"Nick Nayak, chief procurement officer for the Department of Homeland Security, did not challenge Chaffetz's numbers."
"The department has long said it needs the bullets for agents in training and on duty, and buys in bulk to save money."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/25/reps-challenge-dhs-ammo-buys-say-agency-using-1000-more-rounds-per-person-than/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/25/reps-challenge-dhs-ammo-buys-say-agency-using-1000-more-rounds-per-person-than/)
Uhh huh. Lets do the math, shall we? In 2012 they shot 116,000,000 rounds by 70,000 DHS employees, that's 1,657.14 rounds/person! The US Army only averages 350 rounds/soldier. So the DHS shooters are out shooting soldiers (whose job it is is to kill people wholesale) 4.73 to 1!
Training, duty, save money my ass! You don't train with hollow points, you kill people with hollow points!
Damned lying liars!!!
At a hearing on Capitol Hill Thursday, top DHS training officer Humberto Medina said he could "say categorically that was not a factor at all" in the purchases. He also noted that ammunition DHS purchased would be used for both operations and training purchases.
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2013/04/25/dhs-denies-ammo-purchases-aimed-at-civilians (http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2013/04/25/dhs-denies-ammo-purchases-aimed-at-civilians)
I can categorically say that I do not trust these bastards one iota!
They are setting up a SS style goon squad because they know their failed policies and neo-Keynesian economic manipulations are nearing an end and they are going to take full advantage of it!
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Body armor, anyone?
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Body armor, anyone?
That might get you on a list Charles.
Hmmm... ::thinking::
List.... Bullet-riddled.... List.... Bullet-riddled....
I just can't decide which is worse.
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Training, duty, save money my ass! You don't train with hollow points, you kill people with hollow points!
Damned lying liars!!!
If you have half a brain you know we are lying to you, but trust us. Its not like we have lied and abused your trust before now...besides , after Obamacare kicks in it will all be Rainbows and skittles because we will start to force drugs on you.
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Training, duty, save money my ass! You don't train with hollow points, you kill people with hollow points!
Damned lying liars!!!
If you have half a brain you know we are lying to you, but trust us. Its not like we have lied and abused your trust before now...besides , after Obamacare kicks in it will all be Rainbows and skittles because we will start to force drugs on you...
... and then we'll strip you of your constitutional right to bear arms because you're being "treated" for mental illness. Oh, and did we mention, conservatism is mental illness...
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What else could /i say other than I agree. ::thumbsup::
If they were so gun-ho on quantity discount then they wouldn't object to ordering quite a bit more F-22 Raptors for that discount.
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With a little luck we'll be buying the ammo as surpluss.
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Body armor, anyone?
www.infidelbodyarmor.com (http://www.infidelbodyarmor.com)
I've thought about it.
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With a little luck we'll be buying the ammo as surpluss.
From your lips to God's ears!
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Body armor, anyone?
www.infidelbodyarmor.com (http://www.infidelbodyarmor.com)
I've thought about it.
Looks good to me.
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DHS goons grilled on ammo purchases & use!
"Nick Nayak, chief procurement officer for the Department of Homeland Security, did not challenge Chaffetz's numbers."
"The department has long said it needs the bullets for agents in training and on duty, and buys in bulk to save money."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/25/reps-challenge-dhs-ammo-buys-say-agency-using-1000-more-rounds-per-person-than/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/25/reps-challenge-dhs-ammo-buys-say-agency-using-1000-more-rounds-per-person-than/)
Uhh huh. Lets do the math, shall we? In 2012 they shot 116,000,000 rounds by 70,000 DHS employees, that's 1,657.14 rounds/person! The US Army only averages 350 rounds/soldier. So the DHS shooters are out shooting soldiers (whose job it is is to kill people wholesale) 4.73 to 1!
Training, duty, save money my ass! You don't train with hollow points, you kill people with hollow points!
Damned lying liars!!!
At a hearing on Capitol Hill Thursday, top DHS training officer Humberto Medina said he could "say categorically that was not a factor at all" in the purchases. He also noted that ammunition DHS purchased would be used for both operations and training purchases.
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2013/04/25/dhs-denies-ammo-purchases-aimed-at-civilians (http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2013/04/25/dhs-denies-ammo-purchases-aimed-at-civilians)
I can categorically say that I do not trust these bastards one iota!
They are setting up a SS style goon squad because they know their failed policies and neo-Keynesian economic manipulations are nearing an end and they are going to take full advantage of it!
About that Nick Nayak ... (http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/06/inhofe-obama-administration-trying-to-dry-up-ammo-supply-audio/)
... Oklahoma Republican Sen. James Inhofe accused the Obama administration of buying up ammunition at an unprecedented level to bypass the Second Amendment so gun-owners “can’t even buy ammunition because government is purchasing so much.
... testimony last month from Nick Nayak, the Department of Homeland Security’s chief procurement officer, who said DHS has the right to buy up the ammunition.
“I believe it’s intentional,” Inhofe said. “Now we had someone testify the other day the DHS, the Department of Homeland Security, has the ‘right’ — this is a bureaucrat that said this — they have the ‘right’ to buy as much as they want, and they’re planning to buy 750 million rounds. Well, that is more than three times the amount that our soldiers are using for training to defend our nation. So, it’s just another effort to restrict gun activity and ownership. We have in this country the Second Amendment, that preserves the right to keep and bear arms, and the president doesn’t believe in that.”
Inhofe was skeptical of theory that the ammo buy-up was an effort by DHS to seize power from the state, as some have suggested, but did say it was unprecedented and shouldn’t be allowed.
“This has never happened in this country before,” he added. “We’ve never had government trying to take that much control at the expense of the law-abiding citizens. And we’re not going to let it happen.”
Inhofe's filing a bill -- more info at link.
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Oh goody, and when Obama signs that legisla..... ::cussing::
::gaah::
There is only one way to stop a bully - bash the bastard in the face as hard as possible and cause lots of bleeding and pain...unless congresscritters are willing to cease funding all government activity they won't get anything done.
The play-nice party will never agree to that, so eff the GOP anyway, they're useless.
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Now what? They are becoming antique collectors, rabbit and bird hunters; WTF?
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&tab=core&id=2f1797093c18ff14a2cb4c2186c83677&_cview=0 (https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&tab=core&id=2f1797093c18ff14a2cb4c2186c83677&_cview=0)
Deliver to New Mexico.
45 Long Colt 250 gr JHP 4,000 rounds
45 ACP 230 gr JHP 20,000 rounds
22 long rifle 40,000 rounds
30-30 160gr 4,680 rounds
12 Ga #8 shot 20,000 rounds
410 Ga # 9 shot 10,000 rounds
357 180 gr JHP 6,000 rounds
7.69 X 39 123 gr 5,000 rounds
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Now what? They are becoming antique collectors, rabbit and bird hunters; WTF?
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&tab=core&id=2f1797093c18ff14a2cb4c2186c83677&_cview=0 (https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&tab=core&id=2f1797093c18ff14a2cb4c2186c83677&_cview=0)
Deliver to New Mexico.
45 Long Colt 250 gr JHP 4,000 rounds
45 ACP 230 gr JHP 20,000 rounds
22 long rifle 40,000 rounds
30-30 160gr 4,680 rounds
12 Ga #8 shot 20,000 rounds
410 Ga # 9 shot 10,000 rounds
357 180 gr JHP 6,000 rounds
7.69 X 39 123 gr 5,000 rounds
Lot's of hunters in Mexico! The thing is none of it's wildlife.
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I hope nobody but maybe some overseas outfits bids on it, screw the Feds, We the People need more rounds, not these asshats!!!
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I hope nobody but maybe some overseas outfits bids on it, screw the Feds, We the People need more rounds, not these asshats!!!
I've said it before. Gun makers can boycott sales to the feds, but an ammo boycott not selling to the feds would impress me a LOT more.
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I hope nobody but maybe some overseas outfits bids on it, screw the Feds, We the People need more rounds, not these asshats!!!
I've said it before. Gun makers can boycott sales to the feds, but an ammo boycott not selling to the feds would impress me a LOT more.
Yup! Like both but cut off their ammo, tell them to train their stormtroopers by beating each other senseless with blunt instruments!
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I hope nobody but maybe some overseas outfits bids on it, screw the Feds, We the People need more rounds, not these asshats!!!
I've said it before. Gun makers can boycott sales to the feds, but an ammo boycott not selling to the feds would impress me a LOT more.
Yup! Like both but cut off their ammo, tell them to train their stormtroopers by beating each other senseless with blunt instruments!
Like pointed sticks.
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/05/house-votes-to-curb-dhs-stockpiles-ammo/?test=latestnews (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/05/house-votes-to-curb-dhs-stockpiles-ammo/?test=latestnews)
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Take that you fascist bass turds!
::danceban::
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I'd like it better if they just defunded them all...but they don't live in my world...
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Does that mean it's a done deal?
Doesn't it need to go by the senate, ect?
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Does that mean it's a done deal?
Doesn't it need to go by the senate, ect?
Yes, in effect it will mean nothing by itself, but perhaps to call attention to the problem.
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Does that mean it's a done deal?
Doesn't it need to go by the senate, ect?
Yes, in effect it will mean nothing by itself, but perhaps to call attention to the problem.
I look forward to a sternly worded letter..... ::unknowncomic::
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It'll be part of "reconciliation"...if left in God knows what will accompany it!