Yeah, hoarding is going to become a new national scourge.
The will be re-defined to represent anyone storing life
support items (medicine, food, etc.) in a quantity more
than immediate needs. It will become a psychiatric malady
for which one may be "committed" to an institution.
Confiscation gonna be almost impossible the way the feds work....
Confiscation gonna be almost impossible the way the feds work....
Fixed it for ya. They can't seem to do anything else right, why should this go as planned?
Boy I tell ya, I just got done scouring my favorite suppliers online and there is precious little of anything out there!
I hit one place for the last of their .45LC 225gr JSPs for my S&W, it's dual use so I can use it and it is the only thing in any of my many flavors I can find. There is zero .22LR Magnum and I'd let you have some of mine but that stash is up at the lake.
Can't find my 12g slugs either!
Magazine hunting too and that looks to be well picked over too!
Boy I tell ya, I just got done scouring my favorite suppliers online and there is precious little of anything out there!
I hit one place for the last of their .45LC 225gr JSPs for my S&W, it's dual use so I can use it and it is the only thing in any of my many flavors I can find. There is zero .22LR Magnum and I'd let you have some of mine but that stash is up at the lake.
Can't find my 12g slugs either!
Magazine hunting too and that looks to be well picked over too!
Would it be too much to ask that the ammo mfgs. stop selling to the .gov instead of to us? >:(
You've heard all the troubles Magpul has had with the state of Colorado? There's been about ten thousand pleas to them (including mine) to do exactly that. Fulfill your orders to the general public before you further arm the fascists. As pissed as they are right now they might just do it.
You've heard all the troubles Magpul has had with the state of Colorado? There's been about ten thousand pleas to them (including mine) to do exactly that. Fulfill your orders to the general public before you further arm the fascists. As pissed as they are right now they might just do it.
No, Soup I haven't heard, link?
I am getting a bit frustrated. I cannot find ammo for my guns anywhere. I went today to the gun shops in my area Joes, Gander Mt., Dicks, and other local gun dealers. I cannot even find ammo for my .22 LR. I wanted to do some squirrel hunting this weekend and if I cannot find ammo I am just going to spend the day on the ice (lake) sitting on my bucket and hope I can catch some fish saving the ammo I have stored for a "rainy day"
A bit of good news. Gun Control DOA In Minnesota: http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/02/gun-control-doa-in-minnesota.php (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/02/gun-control-doa-in-minnesota.php)
I still don't trust these far left socialist schmucks we have hererunningruining our state.
Just for fun, I stopped into Dick's on the way home to see if they had any .22LR for you in my neck of the forest(S. PA and N. MD) but drew a blank. Still on website for in store purchasing but the wipes don't have any. "Oh we haven't had any for two months.", the clerk said.
Let me tell you, with the shelves being damn near empty, I'm not looking to buy anything from them for a long time.
Thanks guys I really appreciate everyone helping out. I will be fine with the .22 ammo I have for awhile.
I am just getting more and more ticked by the minute on what is happening to our country. Guns, debt, hagel fiasco, women in the military, sequester, total disregard for the Constitution....... you know the list goes on and on. I just went off on the wifey about something stupid that I would have never gotten mad at before. Part of the problem too as a guy when stuff breaks I fix it or have somebody help me who can. But now I am frustrated because I do not know what I can do at the moment to fix our country.
Thanks guys I really appreciate everyone helping out. I will be fine with the .22 ammo I have for awhile.
I am just getting more and more ticked by the minute on what is happening to our country. Guns, debt, hagel fiasco, women in the military, sequester, total disregard for the Constitution....... you know the list goes on and on. I just went off on the wifey about something stupid that I would have never gotten mad at before. Part of the problem too as a guy when stuff breaks I fix it or have somebody help me who can. But now I am frustrated because I do not know what I can do at the moment to fix our country.
Right there with you Magnum.
Thanks guys I really appreciate everyone helping out. I will be fine with the .22 ammo I have for awhile.
I am just getting more and more ticked by the minute on what is happening to our country. Guns, debt, hagel fiasco, women in the military, sequester, total disregard for the Constitution....... you know the list goes on and on. I just went off on the wifey about something stupid that I would have never gotten mad at before. Part of the problem too as a guy when stuff breaks I fix it or have somebody help me who can. But now I am frustrated because I do not know what I can do at the moment to fix our country.
Right there with you Magnum.
And it's pretty crowded. ::cool::
If I were to hazard a guess, I would say the brass is being diverted to production of centerfire cases.
And our frustration stems not from the fact that we can't fix this problem because we don't know how or what to do, it stems from the fact that we are actively prevented from fixing it.
That really seems to be the swan song of the West -- all these problems, almost all of them deliberate creations, and almost all of them not genuine problems in and of themselves so much as consequences of a larger problem. Just as one example, the Islamofascists. In its healthier days the West would have crushed them like cockroaches and not even batted an eye about it.
The West today is consumed with hand wringing and navel gazing. Very unmasculine.
I tend to agree with Glock, 4 million rounds per day? Where is it?
I scoured all online sources I know the other day - people have a lot of nothing and no firm timetable when more might be had.
?
If I were a seller of brass I sure as heck would want to divert as much as I could to ammo mfg's because if there is that much demand there that is where you can move the most product.
But I have not heard the Mfg's are increasing staff and running extra shifts or overtime.
There are a lot of disconnects here and we may not have all the information, so part of the questions to answer should include how good is our info and from whom is it coming?
Oh, and for the record, Glocks 2nd possibility makes my blood run cold!
PS for CO - Love the Bibi pic! ::thumbsup::
The price of his store’s ammunition has more than doubled since mid-December, says Larry Hyatt, owner of Hyatt Gun Shop in Charlotte, N.C., which bills itself “America’s Largest Gun Shop.”
I spoke to Mr. Hyatt today about the increase in the price of ammunition since mid-December (when the gun control debate began to heat up). Hyatt said that the ammo market is “very volatile” and that he “doesn’t know when the next shipment will be.”
His best seller right now is .22LR caliber. Gun owners like to shoot this caliber because it is typically a cheaper round and also optimal for target shooting, known as “plinking”
A box containing 500 rounds of .22LR was selling for approximately $20/box back in December. Today, Mr. Hyatt tells me he is selling the same box for $49. This represents a 145 percent increase in price.
Read more from this story HERE (http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/ammo-prices-have-doubled-december-americas-largest-gun-shop).
I have absolutely no idea what the answer is. To me it is utterly inexplicable that with demand as high as it is, supply isn't stepping up.
But nature abhors a vacuum so sooner or later that hole has to be filled.
I have absolutely no idea what the answer is. To me it is utterly inexplicable that with demand as high as it is, supply isn't stepping up.
But nature abhors a vacuum so sooner or later that hole has to be filled.
That's what I'm saying too .......
I wonder just how much used brass is being trashed by the .gov as well ......
I have absolutely no idea what the answer is. To me it is utterly inexplicable that with demand as high as it is, supply isn't stepping up.
But nature abhors a vacuum so sooner or later that hole has to be filled.
That's what I'm saying too .......
I wonder just how much used brass is being trashed by the .gov as well ......
I remember reading an article around the time of the first Obama ammo shortage (upon his initial election). Ammo manufacturers were running 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, full production capacity, and unable to meet the demand of that time.
It could simply be that the demand now really is that much higher.
I just heard today that there are places buying up ammo ... cash per bullet.
I just heard today that there are places buying up ammo ... cash per bullet.
Places? As in Businesses?
I went to a gun show today and .22 lr was .50 cents a round!!!! ::cussing::I didn't buy it,they can KMA sooner or later it will drop.
I went to a gun show today and .22 lr was .50 cents a round!!!! ::cussing::I didn't buy it,they can KMA sooner or later it will drop.
I went to Academy again yesterday. They have .22 reasonably priced, but they can't keep it on hand. One guy said the day the truck comes, customers line up outside the door at 7:30 am. The store doesn't open until 9....
And they limit you to 1 box per customer. ::bashing::
Yesterday I was able to buy 950 rounds of 9mm from a private seller for $350 ::danceban:: and I still have a 5K round B/O of .22LR for $225. I'm going to be waiting quite a while for the B/O to be filled.
What was a reasonable price for a brick
before the stampede?
I've always heard bad things like that about Remington's rimfire stuff. I'm not all that wild about their centerfire stuff either to be honest. Maybe their premium stuff is alright, but the budget Rem/UMC is my least favorite target ammo.
Only Remington rimfire I've ever had is some .22 subsonic, and it has worked fine, though it's just barely subsonic and depending on ambient temperature or barrel length they can go supersonic which sort of defeats the purpose.
Yeah CCI is definitely quality. CCI MiniMags are my overall favorite .22 LR...
I'll buy some Remington shotshells, have never cared much for their centerfire stuff, and agree on their subsonic. Although I think my father (not being as up to speed) still has a lot of their rimfire...
Yeah their shotgun shells have never been a problem for me. But the UMC 9mm target ammo is noticeably weaker than any of the comparable stuff from Winchester or Federal. I've never chronographed it, but I'd be surprised if it was even making 1100 fps.
Speaking of shotgun shells, my current stash is from Fiocchi and they use nickel plated shot. #4 buckshot has 27 nickel plated pellets at 1325 fps. That's some bad medicine. Or good medicine for bad guys.
I'll buy some Remington shotshells, have never cared much for their centerfire stuff, and agree on their subsonic. Although I think my father (not being as up to speed) still has a lot of their rimfire...
I have 2 semi-auto .22LRs - a Remington rilfe and a Ruger pistol. Both of them HATE the Remington rimfire. They jam too persistently to make it worth ever using what I have. I wish I woulda tested some rounds before buying, but it was such a good deal at the time - like $5.99 for a box of 500, so I just bought a bunch, assuming that since I'd never had brand problems before, I could assume the same would hold true with Remington. So I have a few thousand .22LR rounds for barter when the time comes.
I'll buy some Remington shotshells, have never cared much for their centerfire stuff, and agree on their subsonic. Although I think my father (not being as up to speed) still has a lot of their rimfire...
I have 2 semi-auto .22LRs - a Remington rilfe and a Ruger pistol. Both of them HATE the Remington rimfire. They jam too persistently to make it worth ever using what I have. I wish I woulda tested some rounds before buying, but it was such a good deal at the time - like $5.99 for a box of 500, so I just bought a bunch, assuming that since I'd never had brand problems before, I could assume the same would hold true with Remington. So I have a few thousand .22LR rounds for barter when the time comes.
I think pretty much everyone has been caught by surprise with this shortage of .22 LR. I have been through a few of these situations where there is a lot of panic buying, but I don't recall it ever being difficult to get something as common as the old .22.None of this would have ever happened for the Sandy Hook incident not happened. Yes we, as a society like our firearms but we never expected prior tot he incident the overwhelming public desire to buy huge amounts of pistols and rifles in so short a time period. Those new owners wanted to get acquainted with their new toys to they bough ammo. We knew the grabbers would be up to something sinister so we bought more and to top it off, the DHS decided to buy huge amounts for their civilian police force. We now have the mfg attempting to catch up so it's going to take a while. I would wager to say that the market could now support a few new mfg to the ammo producer field.
On the one hand I am rather glad to see that people are stocking up even something as "acceptable" as .22, it indicates that gun owners are definitely alert and paying attention. People aren't buying this stuff up just so they can turn it all in later.
I think pretty much everyone has been caught by surprise with this shortage of .22 LR. I have been through a few of these situations where there is a lot of panic buying, but I don't recall it ever being difficult to get something as common as the old .22.
On the one hand I am rather glad to see that people are stocking up even something as "acceptable" as .22, it indicates that gun owners are definitely alert and paying attention. People aren't buying this stuff up just so they can turn it all in later.
Something tells me now is not the time to place ones self into the BATF licensing and regulatory system by starting a new ammo manufacturing company. Otherwise, that looks awesome.
Something tells me now is not the time to place ones self into the BATF licensing and regulatory system by starting a new ammo manufacturing company. Otherwise, that looks awesome.
Something tells me now is not the time to place ones self into the BATF licensing and regulatory system by starting a new ammo manufacturing company. Otherwise, that looks awesome.
The time will come very soon when running it illegally is morally right.
Kinda thought we had reached that point years ago. ::facepalm::Something tells me now is not the time to place ones self into the BATF licensing and regulatory system by starting a new ammo manufacturing company. Otherwise, that looks awesome.
The time will come very soon when running it illegally is morally right.
^^^
What he said!
Something tells me now is not the time to place ones self into the BATF licensing and regulatory system by starting a new ammo manufacturing company. Otherwise, that looks awesome.
I vote for FOAD!This was kind of the idea I had in mind. It's for our personal use and not for resale. On the other hand people put ammunition up for sale all the time and as long as you take care not to sell it to minors and criminals, you're not breaking the law.
Maybe if we pool together we can form the IAL Private Shooting and Ammunition Club! ::whoohoo::
Well then, all that remains is a final decision on where to build the compound.Who has the most time on their hands should be the closet to them. I had toyed with the idea of purchasing a Dillon 1050 machine but I couldn't justify the $1600 cost for the limited amount of ammo used so I decided to look for the 650 instead but haven't pulled the trigger on that yet.
I saw a mockup of a box of "Remington Drone-Load" a few days ago. I like the idea.
Dick
All things being equal and that was happening, wouldn't there be reports of massive lines at big suppliers cuing up to get some?
Perhaps Trap's example is really material here, friends of friends network in the outlets themselves getting ;) advance notice and by the time Mr/Ms Joe Blow Public find out the sh*t is gone.
And I think some of these super-hoarders are re-selling at higher rates, taking advantage of the situation.
Not necessarily opposed to impromptu capitalist opportunism, but heck, I am not clued into either of these circles, I want in!
::taz::
I am happy for some of you who have recently secured ammo. For me nothing, I went all about town the past couple days and there is nothing. I even tried cheaper than dirt, again nothing. I am getting frustrated. How am I going to control the population of tree rats up at the lake.
From what I been told from the various gun shops I went to is that in April things should start getting better. I have not gotten a good reason why they are optimistic for April but that is what I am told.
As far as guns go.........not much in the way of selection. It makes me wonder if the guns that they have left to display are maybe the guns that are not, shall I say quality guns. For example I am looking for a 1911. The gun shop I went to had a Remington R1 1911. I liked the gun and was considering it. The salesman took me aside and told me Remington has had trouble with the milling of some of the components and there has been a lot of dissatisfaction with this gun lately. In fact the salesman told me in no uncertain terms do not buy this gun at this time. Again he like the others I talked to told me to wait until spring/summer..........
Doesn't Cabella's, Bass Pro Shop, Academy, WalMart etc. do mail order?
Anyone looking for .45 Auto?
500 rounds of JHP by Remington for $375 delivered. (http://ammoman.com/c/20/45-automatic)
How about .40SW?
500 rounds of Speer 180 grain hollow points for $599 delivered. (http://ammoman.com/c/19/40-smith-wesson)
Doesn't Cabella's, Bass Pro Shop, Academy, WalMart etc. do mail order?
I remember the run in '08. I ordered through Cabela's with the expected back-order. What I wasn't expecting was that they would notify me that they had shipped, billed me, then canceled the order saying that they could fulfill it. I had to argue with several CSR's before they gave me my money back. They're off the list - at least for me.
I am happy for some of you who have recently secured ammo. For me nothing, I went all about town the past couple days and there is nothing. I even tried cheaper than dirt, again nothing. I am getting frustrated. How am I going to control the population of tree rats up at the lake.
From what I been told from the various gun shops I went to is that in April things should start getting better. I have not gotten a good reason why they are optimistic for April but that is what I am told.
As far as guns go.........not much in the way of selection. It makes me wonder if the guns that they have left to display are maybe the guns that are not, shall I say quality guns. For example I am looking for a 1911. The gun shop I went to had a Remington R1 1911. I liked the gun and was considering it. The salesman took me aside and told me Remington has had trouble with the milling of some of the components and there has been a lot of dissatisfaction with this gun lately. In fact the salesman told me in no uncertain terms do not buy this gun at this time. Again he like the others I talked to told me to wait until spring/summer..........
Before you leave Texas, get some magazines that hold more than 15 rounds just as a F-U to the CO state gov.
I have a friend that only uses Dillon and the big reason is their warantee is the best in the business,it it breaks the replace the parts free and no stories. He's got me looking at a square deal B that for my imidiate needs is perfect.
But since I sold my gun a few months ago I don't know why I would even need one. ::foilhathelicopter::
Well, I got bad info on the Walmart. It's tomorrow morning at 7AM so I will be there at 6:30AM. Gotta stock up.That's for sure. The Dillon 650 XL is back ordered for at least five weeks. Looking into as well just for the hell of it.
I am definitely going to look into reloading, too. Won't help with rimfire, of course, but after I get my stock up into the 10K range I won't much care about that particular round anymore.
I am thinking about a Dillon Precision progressive machine with whatever I need for .223, .30-06, .380, .40SW, .38 Special to start with. Unfortunately, I think that reloading supplies are in similar short supply so it will take a long time to get that setup effective.
One does what needs doing. Humiliation is no factor when you're on a mission.
Good job, trap.
BTW, there's a good reason to buy the stuff one doesn't need because all ammo has gun powder and primers which can be used for reloading provided you've the brass and the reloading machine. Think about it.
Oh, hey...if anyone is interested in a badass shotgun I got an email on this (http://centerfiresystems.com/?utm_source=streamsend&utm_medium=email&utm_content=18214457&utm_campaign=Check%2520out%2520these%2520Limited%2520Quantity%2520Saigas) today...(http://www.centerfiresystems.com/homepages/0315fp_01.jpg)
Soon, baby, soon. That gun plus a 50 round drum mag...woo, hoo!
I might have to have this one shipped to one of my Texas properties since CO is in the process of going full on commie but screw it, who cares?
One does what needs doing. Humiliation is no factor when you're on a mission.
Good job, trap.
BTW, there's a good reason to buy the stuff one doesn't need because all ammo has gun powder and primers which can be used for reloading provided you've the brass and the reloading machine. Think about it.
Oh, I'm definitely going to start stocking up on smokeless powder, primers and bullets. That's going to start getting to the top of the shopping list very soon. I am pretty sure that my local gun store has both for sale.
Something else that should be on everyone's SHTF list would be gun cleaning and maintenance supplies. I have already picked up enough gun cleaning chemicals and tools to last me for about a decade...maybe two. Spare parts will be on my list, too, at some point. Gotta think these things through.
I gotta put it off. Don't have unlimited funds and the AK47 build project plus the ammo acquisition plus the reloading machine plus the reloading supplies are going to have to take precedence for now. I'm thinking that maybe by the end of the year or early next. But this would be the ultimate SHTF weapon for close combat so it IS on the list. Just not now.
I gotta put it off. Don't have unlimited funds and the AK47 build project plus the ammo acquisition plus the reloading machine plus the reloading supplies are going to have to take precedence for now. I'm thinking that maybe by the end of the year or early next. But this would be the ultimate SHTF weapon for close combat so it IS on the list. Just not now.
I understand practical necessities. However, I paid $599 for mine.
Back when they were plentiful.
Back when they were legal.
just sayin...
Boxes and boxes of A15 mags (plastic ones) at $24.95/ea. Passed on those.
Libertas thanks for the info on the R1 Remington. I too have heard much good about the gun but I am just relaying what I was told by the guy I talked to at the gun shop.
If you ever meander your way over to Danbury Wisconsin there is a BP gas station on Wisconsin 35 and 77 that still has ammo. I could not believe it when I stopped in on my way up north. I paid a pretty penny for the .22lr ammo. Prices were $4.95 for 50 rounds but they had a nice selection if you are in a pinch. They also had 9mm, 40 mm, .45 cal and pretty much anything else you may need. Like I said they are expensive I believe the Blazer (I personally don't like or use) 9 mm sold for $24.95 for 50 rounds which is $12.00 more than I paid around St. Paul before Newtown. Apparently the "guy" that runs the gun shop has connections. He also had some AR-15's and Ak 47's if you can believe it.
If you are low on anything give me a PM and the next time I make my way up there I will see if they have what you need and pick up what you want...........
One does what needs doing. Humiliation is no factor when you're on a mission.
Good job, trap.
BTW, there's a good reason to buy the stuff one doesn't need because all ammo has gun powder and primers which can be used for reloading provided you've the brass and the reloading machine. Think about it.
Oh, I'm definitely going to start stocking up on smokeless powder, primers and bullets. That's going to start getting to the top of the shopping list very soon. I am pretty sure that my local gun store has both for sale.
Something else that should be on everyone's SHTF list would be gun cleaning and maintenance supplies. I have already picked up enough gun cleaning chemicals and tools to last me for about a decade...maybe two. Spare parts will be on my list, too, at some point. Gotta think these things through.
I have just about every spare part for a Glock pistol, for SHTF purposes. It's one reason a Glock makes an ideal TEOTWAWKI pistol, you can replace any part yourself without any special tools. A small punch is all that is needed.
Boxes and boxes of A15 mags (plastic ones) at $24.95/ea. Passed on those.
I woulda bought mitt full just to piss on your tyrannical legislature.
The part I've had to replace twice now on my G17 is the striker. I think I have just been extraordinarily unlucky, because this is not typically considered a high wear part. Parts I would keep would be springs (recoil spring, trigger spring, slide stop) and extractors. It might be good to have a spare striker assembly too.
They are incredibly easy to work on. No fitting or machining, entirely modular. There are prettier pistols, there are pistols that subjectively feel better in the hand, but there are none I would rather have in a Mad Max scenario.
The ownwer of thr dealership I work at got lucky becayse I knew the right guy,he bought 500 rounds .223 for $275. bucks.
This week there's another gun show coming to town and I'm out looking for .22lr again. But I won't overpay and that's all there is to it.
The Hill (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/290885-obama-uses-executive-power-to-move-gun-control-forward): President Obama is quietly moving forward on gun control.
The president has used his executive powers to bolster the national background check system, jumpstart government research on the causes of gun violence and create a million-dollar ad campaign aimed at safe gun ownership.
The executive steps will give federal law enforcement officials access to more data about guns and their owners, help keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill, and lay the groundwork for future legislative efforts.
It is unclear whether the National Rifle Association (NRA) will challenge any of the executive actions in court. A spokesman for the NRA did not return a request for comment.
I'm in TX again and will be heading to the local Walmart early every morning on my quest to keep building up my stockpile. I'll be looking for .380 and maybe some 5.56/.223 although I will take some .22LR if it's available.
I'm in TX again and will be heading to the local Walmart early every morning on my quest to keep building up my stockpile. I'll be looking for .380 and maybe some 5.56/.223 although I will take some .22LR if it's available.
At the gunshow in Loveland this weekend, a brick of 22LR was going for $120, and it came from a "personal stash" ....
I'm in TX again and will be heading to the local Walmart early every morning on my quest to keep building up my stockpile. I'll be looking for .380 and maybe some 5.56/.223 although I will take some .22LR if it's available.
At the gunshow in Loveland this weekend, a brick of 22LR was going for $120, and it came from a "personal stash" ....
I don't doubt it.
The greenie neighbor sounds like he has the potential to become a PITA. It really irks me when people move into areas that have an established activity (like gun ranges or farms) and then complain about that activity. Far too often I read or hear about a gun range that had been somewhere for 50 years having to close down because Biff and Buffy don't like the sound in their brand new subdivision of McMansions. Or sometimes you'll hear similar complaints about the smell coming from farms.
People ruin everything.
Threat them accordingly.
I struck out at two different Walmarts today for anything I might need. I was there at 7 AM with no help in terms of getting anyone to tell me truthfully when they put it out, just the usual "we put it our when it comes in in the morning. Hate this friggin store.
went at 7.30 this morning and all they had was the same crap they had the night before. ::mooning::
I have promised myself that I will never take ammo availability for granted again.
I'm kicking myself for not getting my reloading gear when I had the chance, I was working my priority list but the time compression wave caused by the Obama & Co Leftist insanity had stuff flying off shelves at warp speed. And if/when everything is available again God knows what the costs will be.
::bashing::
Bummer. At least you avoided some of the April CO weather. Have a safe trip back.
Bummer. At least you avoided some of the April CO weather. Have a safe trip back.
Yeah, I missed out on a foot of fresh snow. Pisses me off...I thought that maybe we were finished with mud season and now it starts all over again. Oh, well...I suppose we needed the moisture.
If anyone finds 22lr, buy enough for all of us. I will gladly pay for shipping and a profit....
This sucks. I have my new S & W and all the ammo I could scrounge was 100 rounds.....And I wouldn't have that but the dealer "found" 100 rounds when I declined to purchase without ammo.
If anyone finds 22lr, buy enough for all of us. I will gladly pay for shipping and a profit....
This sucks. I have my new S & W and all the ammo I could scrounge was 100 rounds.....And I wouldn't have that but the dealer "found" 100 rounds when I declined to purchase without ammo.
If anyone finds 22lr, buy enough for all of us. I will gladly pay for shipping and a profit....
This sucks. I have my new S & W and all the ammo I could scrounge was 100 rounds.....And I wouldn't have that but the dealer "found" 100 rounds when I declined to purchase without ammo.
I pledge to make 500 rounds available for every three bricks I buy from now on. And yeah, you will have to pay for the brick and the shipping. I don't need profit. You guys can fight it out amongst yourselves as to who gets the first brick.
I got delayed leaving TX so maybe I will score three bricks yet. I will let you know.
If anyone finds 22lr, buy enough for all of us. I will gladly pay for shipping and a profit....
This sucks. I have my new S & W and all the ammo I could scrounge was 100 rounds.....And I wouldn't have that but the dealer "found" 100 rounds when I declined to purchase without ammo.
I pledge to make 500 rounds available for every three bricks I buy from now on. And yeah, you will have to pay for the brick and the shipping. I don't need profit. You guys can fight it out amongst yourselves as to who gets the first brick. (When I get back to CO the closest Walmart is an hour away so doing it there is time (and fuel) consuming...I am unlikely to do it there. Or, put another way, you are unlikely to voluntarily cover my expenses under such circumstances. But...if I do have the opportunity to make it happen in CO I will keep to the pledge.)
I got delayed leaving TX so maybe I will score three bricks yet. I will let you know.
Cheaper than Dirt now has .22 for $150 per brick. That strikes me as RIDICULOUS.
Cheaper than Dirt now has .22 for $150 per brick. That strikes me as RIDICULOUS.
Now would be a good time for expansion of the ammo industry.
Now would be a good time for expansion of the ammo industry.
Expansion takes time. They may be thinking the panic will be over before the expansion is completed. Instead they just work more shifts with what they have.
I got lucky today at Walmart,I got my hands on 400 rounds of .40 bringing my stash up to 1650 rounds and they had 200 rounds of .380 and I don't own a .380 but I have a guy at work who may want to swap it for either .22 or 9mm that I may be able to use if my other buddy sells me the PX4 storm subcompact that he got at a very good deal.
The subcompact is for my daughter but she doesn't know,It's a surprise.
This is what it's come to,three and four way deals to get to where I need to go. Shyt it's a lot of work to sell everybody on it.
I take it the daughter does not read the forum...no beans spilt? ;) ::thumbsup::
PS for Don - That is probably not a bad direction to go under these circumstances! ::thumbsup::
I take it the daughter does not read the forum...no beans spilt? ;) ::thumbsup::
PS for Don - That is probably not a bad direction to go under these circumstances! ::thumbsup::
Can always trade it.
On a lark I stopped by my local Wally World this AM. No ammo. Couldn't give me specific times truck came in. Received 10 boxes of 22 last week. Guess you gotta be lucky to buy it.
I have found a small amount of .223 for $1 per round. No way am I paying that much for it.
Are you completely out of .22LR?
And what was the .223/5.56 going for? It recently went up a buck a box to $15 in my local store.
Oh, and I picked up a couple of rifle scopes this afternoon. Got 'em on clearance. Close out, actually. The Ace Hardware decided to quit selling shooting supplies for some reason. Anyway, I got a Leupold for my .30-06 bolt action and a Burris for my AR15. That completes all of my scope needs for now. Still need a good sling and a good hard case for the .30-06 and then it will be complete.
I'm not out, just haven't given up entirely on looking, I look as I am in the vacinity, and would buy to increase my stash and make available for someone here if I scored. I don't recall what the .223/5.56 was going for, but when it is available it has been north of $1/round. I'm sitting on mine, don't want to shoot it until availability goes up and prices come down...thing is though I am not sure if we will ever return to "normal" anything...not in Obamamerica.
My gun shop had a little 22 ammo. 40 grain CCI. He had an imposed 2 box minimum ( 50 shell boxes) but I shamed him into 4. $6.00 a box of 50. No 38, no 9mm though.
My gun shop had a little 22 ammo. 40 grain CCI. He had an imposed 2 box minimum ( 50 shell boxes) but I shamed him into 4. $6.00 a box of 50. No 38, no 9mm though.
Around here the gon shops are getting 10 bucks for a hundred.
Going to a gun show Sunday just to price stuff and see what's out there.
I wish there was a way to know what's available before paying for parking and admission. That's why in the past I've only found gun shows useful for when I am buying large amounts of reloading components. They're totally worth it for that because you can avoid the hazmat fee of mail ordering.I'll have to remember that as I'm picking up a Dillon 1050 set up for .40 cal for cheap this Wednesday coming up in addition to the XL-650 I bought last month. I will not be at the mercy of this government and neither shall my family and friends. ;D
All I can say is guns are dropping and I watched a guy pay 100.bucks for 500 rounds of .22LR.
If Obama survives this tarpit he's stuck in and starts pointing his boney finger at some other commodity, I'm buyin' in early.
From what I read elsewhere, the foreign manufacturers have also been running at full capacity and the reason it hasn't seemed to influence availability is because so much of it (like 450 million rounds of it) hasn't come through Customs yet. Now my inner cynic says Customs has probably been ordered to drag their feet as much as possible, but eventually it will make it to the retail market. Probably in sudden waves. Hopefully that will go a long way toward pushing prices back to more sane figures.
From what I read elsewhere, the foreign manufacturers have also been running at full capacity and the reason it hasn't seemed to influence availability is because so much of it (like 450 million rounds of it) hasn't come through Customs yet. Now my inner cynic says Customs has probably been ordered to drag their feet as much as possible, but eventually it will make it to the retail market. Probably in sudden waves. Hopefully that will go a long way toward pushing prices back to more sane figures.
Customs wouldn't purposefully slow the process to a crawl.....(sarc)
Buncha cynical paranoids 'round heah ........ ::unknowncomic::
Buncha cynical paranoids 'round heah ........ ::unknowncomic::
I see black helicoptors.....No really, I see black helicoptors.
I've began participating in the auctions on Gunbroker. I receive a lot of e mails which read " you have been outbid"....lolDon't let it bother you, I've had some good luck and some bad luck. If there's may on the bids then you can pass on it. Go deeper into the auctions looking for sometimes 18 hrs and look for buy now but just bid on it.
I've began participating in the auctions on Gunbroker. I receive a lot of e mails which read " you have been outbid"....lolDon't let it bother you, I've had some good luck and some bad luck. If there's may on the bids then you can pass on it. Go deeper into the auctions looking for sometimes 18 hrs and look for buy now but just bid on it.
Saturday, I'm getting my other Dillon machine and it's set up for .40 S&W I'm going to get enough material for a few thousand rounds to start plinking and target practice. Maybe I'll get another .40 pistol.
Should work fine in a Mini-14. Most people who have problems with it are using ARs. The steel case doesn't form as tight of a seal against the chamber wall as a brass case does, so some gas blow-by occurs and that leaves carbon deposits. The AR exaggerates this by being a direct impingement system.
Overall though I've had decent results with Russian ammo. It's not as bad as a lot of people make it out to be.
You should do well with that. Opt for a longer barrel than the standard to day of 16 inches. Mine is a mix of Colt lower from decades ago and whatever. I cannot even remember the barrel or the upper manufacturer. That's what's great about the .223 AR platform, almost everything works.
A stripped lower is cheap enough. Build it yourself with him looking over your shoulder for teaching advice, should be fun and when your done, you'll know your own rifle better than most know their pecker.
I picked up a thousand rds of .40 S&W yesterday for $110.
I picked up a thousand rds of .40 S&W yesterday for $110.
That must have been some sale.
I picked up a thousand rds of .40 S&W yesterday for $110.
Wouldn't you like to know ::evilbat::I picked up a thousand rds of .40 S&W yesterday for $110.
OK I'll bite,where?
Wouldn't you like to know ::evilbat::I picked up a thousand rds of .40 S&W yesterday for $110.
OK I'll bite,where?
You remember that Dillon 1050 I said I was picking up. The guys were using it to make new cartridge ammo to sell to law enforcement. I couldn't just take the machine for such a cheap price 'cause it didn't see right so I gave the man an extra Ben Franklin and suggested I take a box. How could I refuse?Wouldn't you like to know ::evilbat::I picked up a thousand rds of .40 S&W yesterday for $110.
OK I'll bite,where?
::rockethrow::
You remember that Dillon 1050 I said I was picking up. The guys were using it to make new cartridge ammo to sell to law enforcement. I couldn't just take the machine for such a cheap price 'cause it didn't see right so I gave the man an extra Ben Franklin and suggested I take a box. How could I refuse?Wouldn't you like to know ::evilbat::I picked up a thousand rds of .40 S&W yesterday for $110.
OK I'll bite,where?
::rockethrow::
I kow he has more and check to see how many boxes he's willing to part with. Stay tuned if you can.
Things are looking a bit better. I was up in North-West Wisconsin this weekend and at the Solon Springs Mercantile Store they had plenty of ammo. I got a couple boxes of 9mm @ $14.00/box. They had a nice selection of hand guns and I would have bought the M&P 40 they had but because of the stupid laws ::cussing:: a Minnesocold resident cannot buy a hand gun in Wisconsin, however, a Minnesota resident can buy a rifle there. These laws make no sense.
Had to go into town today. Got to the Walmart at 6:45AM but no ammo had come in. Maybe next trip.
What do you shoot in .45 Colt? A Taurus Judge?
What do you shoot in .45 Colt? A Taurus Judge?
And you can actually order the stuff...
That is, it's in stock. (http://jihawg.com/ammunition)
What do you shoot in .45 Colt? A Taurus Judge?
I have the S&W Governor, 6 shots to Judge's 5, plus with moon clips I can also fire .45acp, both shoot 45LC & .410 2 1/2" shells.
It's fun to shoot, has good balance and easy to sight (front sight is a night sight), single or double-action its a blast.
Got lucky and found another 300 rounds(.40) at Walmart bringing my total to a personal best of 2150 rounds in the house!!
Got lucky and found another 300 rounds(.40) at Walmart bringing my total to a personal best of 2150 rounds in the house!!
Nice!
I know a certain someone who has 5k in .223 stacked up and ready to go. ;)
Hollow points designed in the past 20 years are much better than the ones that preceded them.
Check out #325 more anicdotal info from several shootings.
Skinny no drug shot 4x w/45 & kept on going. How dead men still have 30 seconds or more to kill you back. Then the video, he shoots and you can watch the impact of several calibers on identical targets.
Hollow point tale also.
Very interesting.
another bread crumb: cops average a 24 to 30% hit rate, that's 3 out of 9.
Yes, that would include Black Talons. However if you have actual Black Talons with the original packaging from the early 90s, I'd keep them for their collector value.
"It would appear to me that in those cop stats adrenaline rush leads to a lot of rapid panic fire with bullets flying all over the place and few hitting the perp. Easier to say than do, but steady & calm beats fast & furious, usually."
The best statistical argument put forth for a high capacity magazine.
Yes, that would include Black Talons. However if you have actual Black Talons with the original packaging from the early 90s, I'd keep them for their collector value.
Yeah, I actually do have it all. One package, anyway. Perhaps I should retire them from the mags.
Lucky dog. I haven't seen .22 around here for a LOOOOOONG time. But then again, I'm not camping out.
Lucky dog. I haven't seen .22 around here for a LOOOOOONG time. But then again, I'm not camping out.
Just how far are you from the nearest ammo source at the moment?
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p98/IronDioPriest/image_zpsbeef45bd.jpg)
Many area residents agree that store shelves are short of certain types of ammunition — and have been for more than a year.
The explanations for the shortage differ. At a gun show over the weekend at the Ramkota Hotel, a couple of hunters said they believe ammo manufacturers are producing as much as they ever did.
“The only shortage is on the shelves. People are still in panic mode, still buying stuff,” said Dave Soehren of Appleton, Minn.
Gun sales and related activity took off more than a year ago, following the shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut on Dec. 14, 2012.
The ammo shortage is the result of supply and demand, said SoDak Sports co-owner A.J. Hoffman, who was interviewed at his store.
After the Sandy Hook fatalities, federal officials started talking about gun control and other issues, said Hoffman, explaining whenever there is an increase in gun sales, there is an increase in ammo sales.
Some people at the Dakota Territory Gun Collectors Association attributed the shortage to hoarding by outdoorsmen. Others suggested that federal officials are working with some retailers to limit the amount of cartridges available to the public.
At SoDak Sports, the cartridge in shortest supply is the .22 long rifle.
“We manage to keep it on the shelf, but we do limit it,” Hoffman said.
Almost forgot to remind my brothers and sisters here about a pretty good find for .45 ACP at Wideners 14.99/50 for PPU Boxer primed brass case.
https://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=100000103&dir=18 (https://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=100000103&dir=18)|829|842
I bought 15 boxes Sunday nightAlmost forgot to remind my brothers and sisters here about a pretty good find for .45 ACP at Wideners 14.99/50 for PPU Boxer primed brass case.
https://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=100000103&dir=18 (https://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=100000103&dir=18)|829|842
Cool, wonder how many boxes they let you have at a time? I think I am OK in most flavors, but this does look like a good bargain.
I bought 15 boxes Sunday nightAlmost forgot to remind my brothers and sisters here about a pretty good find for .45 ACP at Wideners 14.99/50 for PPU Boxer primed brass case.
https://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=100000103&dir=18 (https://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=100000103&dir=18)|829|842
Cool, wonder how many boxes they let you have at a time? I think I am OK in most flavors, but this does look like a good bargain.
I think ever since Clinton regime-changed them, the Serbs have been off of Washington's sh*t list.
Yugo stuff is pretty interesting. Yugoslavia was a communist country, but they were an outlier and tried to keep the Soviets at arms length. As a result a lot of their military equipment has unique twists on Eastern Bloc design. The Czechs were like that too.
Cost me $25 for shipping into York, PA from TennesseeI bought 15 boxes Sunday nightAlmost forgot to remind my brothers and sisters here about a pretty good find for .45 ACP at Wideners 14.99/50 for PPU Boxer primed brass case.
https://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=100000103&dir=18 (https://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=100000103&dir=18)|829|842
Cool, wonder how many boxes they let you have at a time? I think I am OK in most flavors, but this does look like a good bargain.
So, 750 rounds for $225 + S&H and tax, eh? Low $0.30s/round.
I looked for bulk buys, on that score this looked the most appealing to me -
http://ammunitionstore.com/products/45-acp-ammo-230gr-fmj-fiocchi-1000-round-case.html (http://ammunitionstore.com/products/45-acp-ammo-230gr-fmj-fiocchi-1000-round-case.html)
At base cost is $0.35/round, not to bad a deal and they are brass, boxer primed, 860fps for 230gr like the PRVI!
Ammo Depot has some 7/4 specials and I'd like to point out that the 230 gr .45 acp is a pretty fair price:
http://www.ammunitiondepot.com/category-s/2083.htm (http://www.ammunitiondepot.com/category-s/2083.htm)
In any event, take a gander to see if you need something on the list.
Its a little of both - COVID related crap and .. people looking out for #1
But those in the know should have been stacking for a while..