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Topics => World/Foreign Affairs => Topic started by: Libertas on August 26, 2013, 08:14:57 PM
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I reckon we can move from the low-profile to outright warfare phase with this whole Syrian affair...it appears these idiots are readying for imminent entanglement in something the US has no national security cause to concern itself with.
There is this post at ZeroHedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-26/guest-post-15-signs-obama-has-already-made-decision-go-war-syria) that has some mostly intersting indicators that action is very near. On it's own that is not conclusive. There is the retarded "trust us" speech by Lurch that appears to be all the American people are expected to get from this Regime. Then, there is the more telltale report of warplanes landing in Cyprus (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-26/western-warplanes-begin-arriving-cyprus) on the heels of the earlier reports of British warships joining up with American warships in the eastern Med. More evidence of anonymous "officials" alerting MFM outlets of imminent action] (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-26/syriana-official-tells-cnn-us-could-strike-within-hours-russia-warns-against-attack) lending credence to such act as it appears to be in typical keeping with Regime tactic of throwing crap out there and hearing no meaningful objections proceeding with military action as planned. Interesting to see if O'Bongo and the Euro's cave to Russian demands for a Security Council vote on Syrian intervention (which they have pledged to veto) but I am guessing not given that veto threat, but what pretext...the Syrian chirren?
Anyway, bang the war drums...keep the beat, Amerika, fook yeah!!!
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Seems like it's been a foregone conclusion for 2 years now. Also interesting that so much of the casus belli is taking the same form as Bush's prelude to the Iraq invasion, even down to a Sec. of State issuing a "look, you're just going to have to trust us" statement.
As Weisshaupt mentioned in another thread, when the WMDs didn't materialize in Iraq, one of the leading theories was that they had been spirited away to Syria prior to the UN arms inspectors and the later invasion. Wouldn't that be an interesting turn of events if these chemical weapons used in Syria were in fact those ex-Iraqi WMDs?
Assad may not be up for any Nobel Peace Prize nominations (and what a high bar was set for those) but you can guarantee he's light years better than anything likely to replace his regime. We should not be getting involved on behalf of either side.
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Most definitely, and given Saddam's nature, I always thought he spread his WMDs to all of his neighbors who have America as their sworn mortal enemy, so it would not surprise me in the least that Iraqi WMDs are in Syria, Iran and maybe Al-Qaeda or Hezbollah. The latter two may be in doubt since they've not used them as yet, but the crazies have always been good at playing the waiting game. And the presstitutes must not have any sense at all, because anybody with a normally functioning cortex would recoil at the laughable casus belli being tossed up by this Regime. At least Bush lobbied, arranged a broad international coalition with multiple UN resolutions to lean on and went in with everybody agreeing to the casus belli...these Obama assholes have no coalition beyond a couple Euro states, no congressional authorization, just a load of "trust me"! Libiots can say what they want about Bush...but it is Obama that is acting way below Bush League status on this Syrian bullsh*t!
The Obama Regime's reasoning, if you can call it such, is 100% argumentum ad ignorantiam!
Just like Mubarak, kicking Assad out is going to only create another radicalized Islamic sh*thole...the secular Islamic sh*thole was at least contained.
And since O'Bongo has zero chance of getting any UN backing for this misadventure, he'll have to go the Clinton route (Kosovo) and use NATO to do his illegal war.
There are rumors the Regime is groping for a diplomatic way of sacking Assad that will allow O'Bongo to save face...but Putin will have none of that, he know's he has this fool by the short-hairs...as he always had since day 1 of this clowns ascendance! So pushing hard in Syria is going to get the Rooskies in.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-27/syria-warns-will-defend-itself-using-all-available-means-coordinating-iran-russia-ti (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-27/syria-warns-will-defend-itself-using-all-available-means-coordinating-iran-russia-ti)
And I would bet Iran plays nothing more than a hidden side role, I think the Rooskies would like to see them stay out of it.
Every lame-brained idea for US intervention here is wrong, wrong, wrong!
ETA -
1) Today, the office of House Speaker John Boehner asserted that Syria had crossed the “red line” staked out by Obama last year – the use of chemical weapons on its own people.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/08/president-obamas-red-line-what-he-actually-said-about-syria-and-chemical-weapons/ (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/08/president-obamas-red-line-what-he-actually-said-about-syria-and-chemical-weapons/)
We'll, there goes BigGov Boner givng Obama his out.
“If he chooses to act, the president must explain his decision publicly, clearly and resolutely,” Buck wrote.
Uhh, he'll say he did that, dumbass. You're boss already sealed the fix. What a moron! Pubbies! They suck!
2) It's almost comical, seeing one ruthless asshat regime call another ruthless asshat regime on the carpet and be correct!
http://news.yahoo.com/syria-accuses-kerry-lying-disregarding-un-090217526.html (http://news.yahoo.com/syria-accuses-kerry-lying-disregarding-un-090217526.html)
3) Russian Foreign Minister blasts US, says no evidence Assad used chemical weapons and warns of regional conflict if the West does anything foolish.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23845800 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23845800)
Sorry Alexander, something foolish cometh.
4) It appears Plan B is quickly becoming Plan A - All the nominal NATO clowns have to save face may be a punitive strike with some cruise missiles...how Clintonian.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/kerry-obama-determined-to-hold-syria-accountable-for-using-chemical-weapons/2013/08/26/599450c2-0e70-11e3-8cdd-bcdc09410972_story.html?hpid=z1 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/kerry-obama-determined-to-hold-syria-accountable-for-using-chemical-weapons/2013/08/26/599450c2-0e70-11e3-8cdd-bcdc09410972_story.html?hpid=z1)
Wow, Team O'Bongo is like watching the Keystone Cops...except the Keystone Cops were funny and not nearly as stupid!
::unknowncomic::
And lastly - Looks like the markets like war drums...oil, PM's, all rocketing up the charts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc0BqXN9BKw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc0BqXN9BKw)
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Everybody warning everybody...blah blah blah...
Stupid, whatever fallout comes from this should be wrapped around Obama's neck...but as we've seen with Benghazi, Egypt, F&F et al...the bastard in charge is not seen as being in charge...which says some pretty disturbing things about this society...
All I know is a big chunk of us know who is responsible and one way or another they'll be called to account.
ETA - Otay, heah comes duh proofs!!!
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-28/obama-administration-release-proof-assads-culpability-early-thursday#comment-3894428 (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-28/obama-administration-release-proof-assads-culpability-early-thursday#comment-3894428)
Yeah, who dey kiddin'?!
::hysterical::
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Great writeup on the stuttering clusterfail's telling the world our exact war plan, including end date.
Loose Lips on Syria
U.S. leaks tell Assad he can relax. The bombing will be brief and limited. (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324591204579039011328308776.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop)
"Factors weighing into the timing of any action include a desire to get it done before the president leaves for Russia next week," reports CNN, citing a "senior administration official."
Do they teach the retards that in Poli Sci 201 - War Waging, Polls, Vacations and You?
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(http://www.trunews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/grenade1.jpg)
Yoo hoo.... ::bus::
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The muzzies' shooting' burning and gassing each other is not a thing we should be getting involved with-- this is the type of behavior we should be encouraging-- Personally the smart thing to do'-- in my opinion is to paradrop thousands of functional flame throwers into that region---
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To me the bigger question is, to what extent will Russia aid and defend Assad? Is there a risk of this quickly spiraling into a square off between the USA and Russia? The Infowars types are worked up into a lather about this being the precipice of WWIII, but I don't know about all that. From Russia's perspective I could see them instead working behind the scenes to make sure this becomes a long, inconclusive, and embarrassing trap for the US, but without excessive saber rattling directly from them. Sort of like how the CIA said they were going to turn Afghanistan into a "bear trap" during the Soviet occupation.
I am going to enjoy watching all the dumbass liberals contort themselves into supporting exactly the sort of cowboy adventurism they condemned daily during W's presidency.
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Hearken back to this post, from a few months back... (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=6931.msg96519#msg96519)
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It occurs to me to wonder if the regimes of the world have figured that there is no way out of the mess they've created aside from a world war.
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(http://www.trunews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/grenade1.jpg)
Yoo hoo.... ::bus::
"Hmmm, instructions...Made in China, of course...ahh, here it is - Step 1: Pull pin. OK, that was easy. Step 2: Place in rectum. Huh, well, OK, not the only thing I've put up there. (Grunting sounds) OK, that's done. Hey, I gotta tell Reggie about this! Let's see...Step 3: Put your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye. Yeah, I can do that...hey! Uhh, wait a sec..."
BOOM!!!
::hysterical::
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It occurs to me to wonder if the regimes of the world have figured that there is no way out of the mess they've created aside from a world war.
Just like WWI. Just Like WWII.
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IBD has a great editorial on what if the stuttering clusterfail planned Normandy.
If Obama planned D-Day like this Syria attack (http://news.investors.com/politics-andrew-malcolm/082813-666428-obama-plans-punitive-attack-on-syria-over-chemical-weapons.htm?p=full)
May 14, 1944--Aides tell reporters the president is considering options presented by his national security team and that the surprise invasion could come some time in the next few weeks.
Hagel credited the president with a brilliant ploy to con Germans into thinking the invasion was coming where it wasn't, namely the Pas de Calais, lead by a fictitious U.S. Army division.
June 3, 1944--Obama aides called a 48-hour lid on any attacks, saying the invasion would not come on the weekend when the president golfs.
What the hell, the whole thing is quotable.
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To me the bigger question is, to what extent will Russia aid and defend Assad? Is there a risk of this quickly spiraling into a square off between the USA and Russia? The Infowars types are worked up into a lather about this being the precipice of WWIII, but I don't know about all that. From Russia's perspective I could see them instead working behind the scenes to make sure this becomes a long, inconclusive, and embarrassing trap for the US, but without excessive saber rattling directly from them. Sort of like how the CIA said they were going to turn Afghanistan into a "bear trap" during the Soviet occupation.
I am going to enjoy watching all the dumbass liberals contort themselves into supporting exactly the sort of cowboy adventurism they condemned daily during W's presidency.
Well, step one is getting civilians the heck out of Dodge.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-28/russia-evacuating-its-citizens-syria (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-28/russia-evacuating-its-citizens-syria)
This has all the hallmarks of a limited air strike, nothing massive. There is BS flying around about Egypt closing The Ditch to US & allied warships because of this pending action in Syria as they have a defense agreement with them, but that makes no sense from two perspectives: 1) Ditch isn't mission critical for a limited strike and 2) not sure of the legalities, but it was my understanding that international shipping points like this are controlled by international law, I am not sure the Egyptians could discriminate against any nation or type of ship...and there is the enforcement angle that goes along with that, so...sounds like BS to me. There is also BS coming out of Iran about US troops and allies (MB?) massing on Jordan/Syria border. I call BS on that too, no way Obama is going to put boots on the ground. Then again with diaper-wearing old fools like J-Mac calling for regime change in Syria (and thus giving Barry a green light to do whateverthehellhewants) it's not impossible, I just see no evidence of it, some Persian rag does not impress me.
And there is more chatter coming out of the Obama Regime - the PNR being reached - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-28/were-past-point-no-return (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-28/were-past-point-no-return)
Whatever. Same as the "red line", right? Who came up with that? Jarrett? ::mooning::
Whatever is done you can bet the blowback will be proportionate to the level of stupidity that started it. But Team O'Bongo has a serious hard-on to go into Syria...and you know how hard it is to pull out when things get hot.
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Has "responsibility to protect" been tossed into the narrative yet? Surely it's in there somewhere.
ETA:
Also, let me put on my tin foil hat and wonder aloud if the Cyprus bank "bail in" had anything to do with it now being used as a launchpad for air strikes? Was the bank controversy sort of like the mafia leaving a horse head in your bed? "Now we can put a stop to any further ugliness right now, you just gotta play ball later this year and you'll know when." Thoughts?
(http://www.mossonarock.ca/forum/Smileys/akyhne/tinfoil.gif)
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Good link, I think the Cyprus thing made them EU's bitch, landing planes there was probably not even a request..probably radioed the tower and just said "we're landing, gtfo out of our way".
Nice smiley. ;D
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/28/us-syria-crisis-usa-congress-idUSBRE97R18W20130828 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/28/us-syria-crisis-usa-congress-idUSBRE97R18W20130828)
Hilarious, silly Pubbies, Obama doesn't need any Congressional oversight, he is the Dear Leader.
ETA - Looks like the Rooskies helped put the nix on UN endorsement of the Obama Regime's Syrian quagmire, but NATO dutifully endorsed siding with crazed Jihadi scum to topple the Assad Regime (http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-syria-united-nations-resolution-20130828,0,618597.story), so that is all Emperor Headiccus Rectumus needs to fustercluck everything up.
And then the Rooskies decide to up their naval presence in the Eastern Med (http://www.timesofisrael.com/russia-sends-at-least-12-warships-to-syria/), but basing at Cyprus is hardly a bold move...if they want to be where the action is they're gonna have to shadow the Amerikans & Brits and whoever else as toys in the area...not luxuriate at Limassol! Interesting place though, Cyprus, eh? Rooskie ships, Euro fighter planes...a drunken brawl in a nightclub could start the festivities! Damn...at least that sounds like fun (says my younger self!).
And so far there is just one Deomcrat calling for a Congressional vote authorizing use of force (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/dem-congressman-constitution-requires-congressional-authorization-use-force-against-syria_751350.html), this from the Party that wouldn't let the eeeeeeeeeeeevil George Dubbya Bush land one plane overseas without a permission slip from Congress! Interesting how indifferent these Democrats are about the Constitution, Congressional approval and oversight and such when it is opne of their own who wants to get their game on, eh? Hypocrites? Sure. Liars? You betchya. Liberties for me but not for thee assclowns? Most definitely.
But who is going to hold them to account? The Pubbies? Pah! I spit on feckless Pubbies! The People? Pah! The people just want free shyt and to know what the fricken Kardashians are up to!
We're going to war to support batsh*t jihadi scum, get used to it!
Oh, and lest we forget: "The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation." - Obama, - Interview with Charlie Savage, December 20, 2007
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-28/here%E2%80%99s-what-candidate-obama-said-about-military-intervention-2007 (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-28/here%E2%80%99s-what-candidate-obama-said-about-military-intervention-2007)
No mas pantalones. el fuego!
Oh, and here is the sternly worded letter from the carrot-colored thumb-sucking cry-baby some call the Speaker of the House - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-28/boehner-sends-obama-letter-demanding-clear-unambiguous-explanation-syrian-interventi (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-28/boehner-sends-obama-letter-demanding-clear-unambiguous-explanation-syrian-interventi)
I bet the Emperor enjoys wiping his arse with that love letter.
Well, lets see the playing fieldm shall we?
(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2013/08-2/20130828_fight1.jpg)
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-28/war-games-syrian-military-theater-operations-two-charts (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-28/war-games-syrian-military-theater-operations-two-charts)
Easy peasy lemon squeezy, no way the Emperor can f**k this up, eh? I mean, not like there is anything in the area to worry about, just some planes and a few gubmint troops loyal to Assad...we got crazy jihadi maniacs and all this cool US/NATO hardware to pulverize and terrorize with, piece of cake!
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Can the US crush Syria and topple Assad? Yes. Should we? No, not our fight, not our problem. Will it be pain free? Hell no, and if Saddam's WMDs are there, we could be walking into a nightmare! And if Israel gets sucked in we get sucked in deeper, and that will surely get the Persians to go all in and the Rooskies will be forced to act, and then the whole region is on fire. Personally I don't think WWIII is around the corner because this must sandland isn't worth nuking each other over, but the region itself could be decimated and the body counts on all sides far exceeding even an insane persons estimate for reasonable.
Bloody stupid mess, should just walk the Hell away!
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And...
http://weaselzippers.us/2013/08/29/u-s-intel-officials-syrian-chemical-attack-could-have-been-from-rogue-low-level-staff-cant-rule-out-possibility-rebels-themselves-carried-out-attack/ (http://weaselzippers.us/2013/08/29/u-s-intel-officials-syrian-chemical-attack-could-have-been-from-rogue-low-level-staff-cant-rule-out-possibility-rebels-themselves-carried-out-attack/)
Not exactly iron-clad proof one way or the other...so I still have huge reservations about the veracity of reports and who supposedly did what to whom!
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Things are moving fast to a Cuban Missile Crisis in Syria, where Obama has been outfoxed by a combination of Russia's Putin and the war theocracy of Iran. (http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/08/is_iran_behind_the_syria_gas_atrocity.html)
... The most accurate account of the gas attack this week comes from Debka.com, a site that is close to Israeli intelligence, meaning that it varies between telling the truth and spreading information useful to Israel. However, the French conservative newspaper Le Figaro stole the story from Debka this week, and published it as its own.
Here is the story:
The sarin nerve gas atrocity of Wednesday, Aug. 21, alleged to have claimed more than 1,000 lives, was the work of the 155th Brigade of the Syrian army's 4th Division, headed by President Bashar Asad's younger brother Gen. Maher Assad.
The poison gas shells were fired from the big Mount Kalmun army base south of Damascus, one of the three repositories of Syria's chemical weapons. ... Not a single shell or gram of poison gas is loaded for use at any of the three sites without an explicit directive from the president or his brother. ... Therefore, the clamor raised by the US and French presidents, Western prime ministers and Russian leaders ... is nothing but playacting. The facts are known and the evidence is present. And the price for refusing to come down to earth and putting an immediate stop to this horrifying precedent may be unimaginably grim -- not just for Israel and Jordan -- but for the rest of the Middle East and beyond."
If this is true -- and I believe it is -- there are four urgent questions.
1. Who is behind it? (Iran, Syria, maybe Putin)
2. What is their aim? (To trap us).
3. Is it a trap? (Yes)
4. How should the West respond? (VERY carefully).
Let's take it from the top.
Is this analysis helpful? Wheels within wheels ......
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I really don't think Assad ordered this. It seems far too convenient that Obama comes out and says "we're going to treat any use of chemical weapons as our red line, carte blanche to do whatever we want" and then one year later to the day we, lo and behold, have those chemical weapons used. I don't see why Assad would allow them to be used since doing so would be crossing that loudly proclaimed red line.
A monkey with a hand grenade, that's about the best description of this situation. We have a bunch of power mad psychopaths in charge of our government and other governments, and seems they are willing to play with reckless abandon knowing the death and misery will be reserved for the little people.
What does the New World Order need to truly come to fruition? A total destruction of the Old World Order, and a world war is a great way to do that. There's a certain internal logic to it. They've been spending like there's no tomorrow, and maybe that's because they don't intend for there to be a tomorrow.
Regardless of the direction this ultimately takes, I hope the liberals are enjoying their smart diplomacy, pacifist president. At least he's not like that cowboy George W!
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I think the crazies did it knowing full well PeacePrize would be forced to act on his red-line crap regardless if the Regime knows they were set up because when one accepts the mantle of Messiah one cannot be seen not acting and because this is good for distraction back home.
Now, that just got harder since the Brits denied a PM a war vote for the first time since 1782 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/30/us-syria-crisis-britain-idUSBRE97R1BD20130830), but PeacePrize will press on. Another destroy is deployed to the region (http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-syria-us-warships-20130829,0,502572.story) in anticipation of kinetic action.
War, Hell Yeah, come on all you ObamaBots, your Messiah is calling on you!
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Ted Twitter Pic, Priceless!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BS2Az6OCMAEqIvJ.jpg)
http://im41.com/archives/37478 (http://im41.com/archives/37478)
This is good too, insert "Obama" in the diatribe and yeah, perhaps the asshat can be said to give a damn about some semblance of constitutional protocol...otherwise all the dem's just look like the assholes they truly are!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xpfpciJzBU&feature=player_embedded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xpfpciJzBU&feature=player_embedded)
And it is far from settled that the military is all for this escapade...
http://weaselzippers.us/2013/08/30/u-s-military-officer-on-obamas-plans-to-attack-syria-i-cant-believe-the-president-is-even-considering-it/ (http://weaselzippers.us/2013/08/30/u-s-military-officer-on-obamas-plans-to-attack-syria-i-cant-believe-the-president-is-even-considering-it/)
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Bush's...er, Obama's "Intel proof" due any minute now...I wonder if it will be birth certificate grade?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/30/us-syria-crisis-usa-report-idUSBRE97T0I920130830 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/30/us-syria-crisis-usa-report-idUSBRE97T0I920130830)
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I like the new term, might I suggest we show due deference by prefacing it with President? All hail President Peace Prize!
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President PeacePrize sent Lurch the horse-faced gigolo out to dazzle the presstitutes...what a Tour de Farce!
"We know..." "We know..."
Yeah, we know...you're full of sh*t!!!
::mooning::
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The British are not coming! The British are not coming!
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The British are not coming! The British are not coming!
LOL. That's funny, LV.
Not only are the British not coming, the Germans, the French, the UN, and the Canadians are not coming either. Nor is NATO. The Russians, however, will be kibitzing from the sidelines, with a big fat raspberry to Obongo, who has not properly gone to Congress for authorization to lob a few cruise missiles, for a couple-three days, at predetermined minor infrastructure targets, to not include Assad or his regime, beginning on a certain date, all of which have been announced to the world, despite there being no US national interest, nor national security issue at stake.
That about cover it?
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That about cover it?
Yep and better said than he'd ever say it.
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Well, turns out I was wrong about France "not coming", I'm just not clear on whether it's just sanctions or bombings.
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/08/31/shorter-obama-to-france-do-this-war-for-me/ (http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/08/31/shorter-obama-to-france-do-this-war-for-me/)
And, then there's this (http://senseofevents.blogspot.com/2013/08/is-obama-setting-up-two-prong.html):
... In his Rose Garden remarks today on Syria, President Obama said that he will seek a vote of authorization from the Congress when it returns from recess (which is on Sept. 9).
He also said has authority to bomb Syria without Congress' authorization. Here is the entire statement:
(Vid at link)
In his statement, the president also said this: "Yet while I believe I have the authority to carry out this military action without specific Congressional authorization, I know that the country will be stronger if we take this course and our actions will be even more effective."
Let's parse that.
1. He means that he thinks he has authority as president to bomb Syria without going to Congress at all.
Well, in that case he may be right, in the sense that any president has the power to do what Congress doesn't oppose. Obama illegally sent US bombers against Libya in 2011 without Congressional authority; by any stretch, the president was both declaring and making war, the former power reserved to the Congress alone.
But history, and not just of this administration, shows that Congress will usually be pretty passive about that kind of thing. The White House does not have that power so much by delegation as by concession.
However, there is another twist to what Obama might have meant that would require him to believe this, which is,
2. He means that even if Congress votes against authorizing the Syria war, he can still order the strikes because he didn't have to ask Congress in the first place.
If Congress votes to withhold authority for the strikes and Obama orders them anyway, then beyond question we will have reached one of the most serious Constitutional crises of our history. Unless unmistakably halted by Congress, we will have surrendered the last vestige of representative, Constitutional government. It is not obvious, however, that this what the president meant. Let us hope not.
But there is another component of what such a position might mean. Suppose my hypothetical news story comes true and Obama order the attacks even though Congress specifically withholds authority.
I would maintain that our flag-rank military officers are duty bound to disobey those orders.
A military officer's oath of commissioning says,
I ... do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; ...
There is no oath of loyalty or even obedience to the president. I say that for a general officer, from the chairman of the joint chief of staff on down, to commit acts of war against another country that have been actually forbidden by Congress would be one of the grossest violations of Constitutional military duty that can be imagined. That's the second prong of a potential Constitutional crisis.
Because if Obama ignores a Congressional vote against the war and sends in the missiles with the military obeying, then we will have entered the darkest place in our history indeed: a president with literally monarchical power to use the military as he wishes and a military leadership that agrees.
Update, 0710 CDT Sept. 1: David Gregory just said on NBC News morning newscast that Obama has made up his mind to attack Syria and that he will order it no matter what Congress votes.
This has all the makings of a nightmare in the making.
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YOU OWN THIS, PRESIDENT COMMUNITY ORGANIZER!
It is sad that some Russians are going to die because of last year's bluster threatened by the inept, over-his-head community organizer, empty suit President. Does anybody think that a despot like Dr. Bashir Assad, the Reformer, would give a rat's ass about the rat-eared bastard's warning last year? You know Putin told him "don't worry about that little Prick, Bashir. I'll load up Syria with Russian troops, place them in militarily strategic positions, tell the little community organizer where they are, and then dare the impotent little potentate to do a damn thing."
All this to save the face of a little Marxist Little Big Man who has been out of his league since he voted "present" in the Illinois Senate a hundred times.
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The way I'm looking at this mess is that for all his bullshyt about our reputation in the world he's managed to come out looking like an ego maniac(which he is) and our friends don't like him or more importantly don't trust him.
And our enemies are out to prove that the Emperor has not clothes and no support from anyone and now he backs off the gas to make their case for them.But this will get spun as him being thoughtful and taking the time to follow the constitution which GWB never did and will blame the repubs for not helping the poor Syrians much to their shame.
Now you're free to kill me.
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The way I'm looking at this mess is that for all his bullshyt about our reputation in the world he's managed to come out looking like an ego maniac(which he is) and our friends don't like him or more importantly don't trust him.
And our enemies are out to prove that the Emperor has not clothes and no support from anyone and now he backs off the gas to make their case for them.But this will get spun as him being thoughtful and taking the time to follow the constitution which GWB never did and will blame the repubs for not helping the poor Syrians much to their shame.
Now you're free to kill me.
You know the twisted, rotten mind of this enemy very well indeed:
http://im41.com/archives/37657 (http://im41.com/archives/37657)
A tweet from the despicable Bill Maher
Kudos to Barry for restoring constitution re war powers. Tea People shld luv it but of course wont cuz President Blackenstein did it
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Maher took time out of his busy day playing with midget-tranny-hooker's to post a useless Tweet to his 3 followers...wow, I'm so impressed!
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There is widespread public sentiment against US action in Syria, Obama dearly needs a congressional vote of approval so his fat ass has political cover to handle any blowback, if he goes it alone without Congress he invites scathing attack and the issue will dominate 2014 elections which President PeacePrize will make Congressional inaction on this and a host of issues the sole defining campaign theme and Pubbies will no doubt play it all wrong and look like the bumbling idiots they are, so in the end PeacePrize wins either way. Regardless, the right choice is not giving him his Congressional cover.
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"U.S. Sen. Richard Burr (N.C.) issued the following statement regarding the ongoing security situation in Syria:
Civilized people should be outraged by the deaths of thousands of Syrian civilians and the many more who have been maimed in this horrible civil war.
The Syrian regime’s use of chemical weapons against civilians is morally repugnant and violates long held standards of conduct.
Short of putting troops on the ground, it is time for the United States and our NATO allies to take necessary, punitive military action against the Syrian regime and send a clear signal to its leadership, and others in the region who may be contemplating using weapons of this nature, that there are consequences for these actions."
I forget where I got this. Nevermind, I checked Burr's webpage and there it friggin is.
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Idiot.
Related to Aaron?
Whatever, a useless idiot Obama must adore. Big Govt Neo-Con jackwagon!
::mooning::
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Idiot.
Related to Aaron?
Whatever, a useless idiot Obama must adore. Big Govt Neo-Con jackwagon!
::mooning::
Yah, Richard Burr of
Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) slammed a proposal to block a continuing resolution on federal funding unless ObamaCare is defunded.
“I think it’s the dumbest idea I’ve ever heard,” Burr told journalist Todd Zwilich Thursday. “Listen, as long as Barack Obama is president the Affordable Care Act is gonna be law.” …
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Abandon all hope...ye who enter the GOP!
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Yeah that turd has been on my sh*tlist ever since he refused to unequivocally state his position on Feinstein's gun grab bill. "As long as Barack Obama is president", oh sure. Guarantee you we could have a Republican in the White House tomorrow and he wouldn't quite be able to muster the desire to get rid of it then either.
These are creatures of the Beltway. It's not so much Democrat-Republican, it's the political class vs. the unwashed rabble. Man, the Senate really is chock full of the absolute worst of the lot too.
Not much else to say, but you know what I'm thinking about.
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It's on my mind almost always...and that pisses me off too!
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Among many things someone whom I might be related to has done in a branch of the service he might have been in is to maybe have worked on report preparation for CENTCOM. Nobody in government doesn't know that there are three sides in Syria. Assad, Al Qaeda, and the Muslim Brotherhood.
No one in government doesn't know that Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood are working for an Islamic Caliphate, as that is the official position of CENTCOM. As such, why is Richard Burr calling for America helping Al Qaeda in establishing that Islamic Caliphate?
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Barnhardt's take (http://www.barnhardt.biz/2013/09/03/toldya-like-clockwork/)
I was not aware of this when I wrote the post below.
Egyptian media now reporting Obama is a full member of Muslim Brotherhood being blackmailed with identity documentation. (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/09/shocking-report-egyptian-media-says-obama-is-a-muslim-brotherhood-member/)
Well, duh.
And remember, the only musloids who actually believe or buy into any of the “religious” nonsense are the mentally retarded plebs. That isn’t what islam is about. Islam is all about centralizing and expanding power and wealth in an oligarch class. Period. It is EXACTLY like Marxism. High-ranking Marxists know little-to-nothing and care exactly nothing about economics, “the poor” or any of the rest. Marxism is all about consolidating power among a cadre of oligarchs. All of the talk about heping the poor and the underclass is the faux-religious pose of Marxism that it uses to manipulate the ignorant masses.
So, could Obama, an atheist, be a musloid? Well, sure – in the true sense, which is the POLITICAL sense. He fits the mold of a wannabe musloid oligarch perfectly (complete with being a sodomite), exactly the same way that Obama, who knows NOTHING of economics is also a Marxist. Do you see why the two political systems go hand-in-hand and are explicitly allied throughout history?
I think she is right. These people believe in nothing but their own power, and will say, do and pretend anything to get it. It has nothing to do about "sides" in Egypt, in the middle east or in the . Only who ends up giving the orders in the end. The Sides are just used to keep the sheep motivated for one group of oligarchs or another, none of which have the slightest interest in that they proclaim to believe. Expect Obama. I still think that turd is a true believer in Marxism. I think he knows that Marxism is right. He will implement it and let the pieces fall into place ( with himself at (or near) the head of course.) He doesn't care to discuss the fats surrounding it, and no he doesn't understand economics or human nature because otherwise Marxism become fallacious on its face. These people are just power-mad
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One thing...and I hestitated to bring it up....but there is a reasonable discussion to be had here, and I doubt anyone will ever notice this outside of our little discussion group.
By all accounts the revolting Islamic terrorists are losing daily in Syria. The governmental Islamic terrorists are defeating them in most encounters. If this keeps up, one side wins another loses. Good? No, not really. This could be used as an opportunity to re-level the playing field so that this conflict continues longer and kills more of both sides. Neither are good. It is not in OUR interest for either group to win or even survive. A series of air strikes with the stated purpose of punishing the Syrian Government for its WMD attack that killed 1400 people, but with the ACTUAL purpose of resetting the fighting forces to make it last longer so our enemies continue to kill each other for a longer time, instead of turning on us. That would be perfect.
DO I think Obama is smart enough, or for that matter cares enough to think of that? No, of course not. But, there are surely some Generals and Admirals who can think this through and may be advocating for exactly that.
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Oh sure, Caliphate goooood!....Right-wing, Tea-bagging, Conservative, Libertarian, Constitutionalists and especially them racist whites and gun-happy baby-killing military vets are baaaaaaad!
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A series of air strikes with the stated purpose of punishing the Syrian Government for its WMD attack that killed 1400 people, but with the ACTUAL purpose of resetting the fighting forces to make it last longer so our enemies continue to kill each other for a longer time, instead of turning on us. That would be perfect.
Taking out Assad would accomplish that. Too bad the stuttering fail is not calling for such. Don't mock him, bro.
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Oh oh! Frannie issuing a Crusade order?!
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-03/and-now-pope-tweets (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-03/and-now-pope-tweets)
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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/09/rep-house-majority-leader-eric-cantor-will-vote-for-use-of-military-force-in-syria/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/09/rep-house-majority-leader-eric-cantor-will-vote-for-use-of-military-force-in-syria/)
"“Bashar Assad’s Syria, a state sponsor of terrorism, is the epitome of a rogue state, and it has long posed a direct threat to American interests and to our partners. The ongoing civil war in Syria has enlarged this threat."
Boehner agrees.
Somebody want to tell me what "partners" we have left in the region -- besides Israel -- now that Obongo has thoroughly destabilized the place?
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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/09/rep-house-majority-leader-eric-cantor-will-vote-for-use-of-military-force-in-syria/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/09/rep-house-majority-leader-eric-cantor-will-vote-for-use-of-military-force-in-syria/)
"“Bashar Assad’s Syria, a state sponsor of terrorism, is the epitome of a rogue state, and it has long posed a direct threat to American interests and to our partners. The ongoing civil war in Syria has enlarged this threat."
Boehner agrees.
Somebody want to tell me what "partners" we have left in the region -- besides Israel -- now that Obongo has thoroughly destabilized the place?
Anybody Bambi calls a partner in need of our protection wether they like it or not are going to be protected.
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... A war -- any war -- magnifies:
The importance of political maneuverings;
The government's control over economic intercourse, both domestic and international;
The subordination of private decisions to the decisions of the government.
Thus, whatever "objective" or "humanitarian" reasons a politician might advance for entering some war, he has at least three more than those of which he's willing to speak.
... Many a nation has heard its rulers pound the war drums for reasons of the rulers' own. Indeed, in modern history, the overwhelmingly most frequent and most imperative reason for warfare has been to distract the subjects of a nation from their domestic troubles. That the distraction will be accompanied by the expansion of state power and control is not lost on those who promote war so avidly.
... with any decision to go or not to go to war, we must learn to ask, openly and stridently, Who would benefit? We must return to putting American interests -- military, economic, Constitutional, and international -- ahead of all others. And we must be unsparing in cross-examining our political masters, whose motives for their decisions are never made entirely plain...on the subject of warfare as on every other.
http://bastionofliberty.blogspot.com/2013/08/are-they-syrious-part-2-crucial-variance.html (http://bastionofliberty.blogspot.com/2013/08/are-they-syrious-part-2-crucial-variance.html)
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Via Instapundit (http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/175312/):
ROLL CALL: Will Congress Follow Its Leaders On Syria? I don’t think they should even vote unless Obama promises to abide by the result — something he’s quite pointedly refused to do.
Radio: Kerry blathering on about Obama's rights (yes, Obama has "the right" to go against Syria without Congress), Congress' rights, with no idea whatsoever that neither has rights; they have limited and specific authority and responsibilities. Period.
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Via Instapundit (http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/175312/):
ROLL CALL: Will Congress Follow Its Leaders On Syria? I don’t think they should even vote unless Obama promises to abide by the result — something he’s quite pointedly refused to do.
Radio: Kerry blathering on about Obama's rights (yes, Obama has "the right" to go against Syria without Congress), Congress' rights, with no idea whatsoever that neither has rights; they have limited and specific authority and responsibilities. Period.
I'm so sick of people bathering on about rights. Let's keep the focus on responsibilities for once. Unfortunately, there are precious few who can speck clearly and on point.
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The last poll I heard said 11% of the American public is in favor of a Syrian war. So sure, let this Congress and White House go forward with it. Let them draw a big underline to what a farce is the notion that we live in a "representative" republic. Let them do it in the wake of the British Parliament voting decidedly against same.
This government proves itself illegitimate at every turn. Was it Sun Tzu who said "when your enemy is making a mistake, do not interrupt him"?
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The last poll I heard said 11% of the American public is in favor of a Syrian war. So sure, let this Congress and White House go forward with it. Let them draw a big underline to what a farce is the notion that we live in a "representative" republic. Let them do it in the wake of the British Parliament voting decidedly against same.
This government proves itself illegitimate at every turn. Was it Sun Tzu who said "when your enemy is making a mistake, do not interrupt him"?
I brought Fran Porretto's excerpt here because it points to this new "crisis" of Syria as deflection from this regime's lawlessness and my suspicion that there will be blowbacks from military action there onto us -- more "crackdowns" and oppressions -- as a matter of "national security" and our safety. We will pay for their mistakes.
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Sun Tzu didn't know Allinsky, Cloward, Piven or the concept of Takkiya that dem's imported from Muzzies...but he did understand spies and treachery...and spies and treachery abound in this Regime...but they spend more time spying and plotting against us than our real (not imagined!) external adversaries. I don't trust leftists to waste any opportunity, not one they've manufactured or one given to them with a pretty bow on top, nope, nothing they do is by error, there is always a strategy to exploit and use against us and our individuality, principles and beliefs, they may make mistakes along the way, but their path no matter how straight or circuitous is aimed directly at us. Always be suspicious, always be on guard.
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President PeacePrize uses "moral obligation" assertion for intervention in Syria. Really?
http://www.thenationalpatriot.com/2013/09/02/obama-you-dont-have-the-right-to-lecture-us-on-moral-obligations/#more-8656 (http://www.thenationalpatriot.com/2013/09/02/obama-you-dont-have-the-right-to-lecture-us-on-moral-obligations/#more-8656)
Pretty repugnant coming out of his lying mouth, eh? We have a moral obligation to oppose his dirty little war in which we have no national security interest!
And, while we're on the subject of lying hypocrite snakes, remember this golden oldie?
"How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?"
http://hnn.us/articles/3631.html (http://hnn.us/articles/3631.html)
How dare you ask any American to put their butt on the line for this bullsh*t adventure!!!
Next up, how about that doddering old NeoCon J-Mac?
This use of force debate is so important...
http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=201544 (http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=201544)
...well, maybe not that important...
::outrage::
This from the same idiot who thinks Muzzies screaming "Allahu Akbar!" is on par with a Christian saying "Thank God".
http://im41.com/archives/37714 (http://im41.com/archives/37714)
This is stupid, this is forever!
::mooning::
And as always we have these jackasses to contend with...
http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=8822.new#new (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=8822.new#new)
::cussing::
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I'm still half expecting the Russians to upstage him at the last minute, a la those Russian paratroopers at the Pristina airport. Either that or park a couple of Ivan's fighter squadrons on Syrian airbases, you know just there for joint training exercises and all.
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That's a good bet, the human shield component would give President PeacePrize something to think about...wait, what did I just say? No, his yes-men will have contingencies for that, but all it takes is one dead Russian to escalate an ill-advised adventure where we don't belong into a fustercluck of a nightmare, and depending upon how desperate PeacePrize is will be confirmed if he says screw it and starts lobbing ordnance anyway.
ETA -
Hmm...Operation Human Shield could be coming...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-03/russia-sends-two-marine-carrying-ships-mediterranean (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-03/russia-sends-two-marine-carrying-ships-mediterranean)
...not enough Marines to do much more than post guards about, could be interesting to see where they are posted. They ought to hustle though, new moon tomorrow close to mid day, so if darkness is desired tonight at the earliest or tomorrow night at the latest would be optimal. It's like 7 hours difference ET to Syria, so if it gets dark 8-9pm, then that would be around 1-2pm ET today.
The Russians are upping the ante some more, sending a cruiser, destroyer & frigate also.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-04/russia-sends-missile-cruiser-moskva-destroyer-and-frigate-syria (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-04/russia-sends-missile-cruiser-moskva-destroyer-and-frigate-syria)
I still don't think PeacePrize is going to go for a wild dance, he's being manuevered into a limited response by players home and abroad. Hopefully this stupidity is over and we can go back to worrying about economic and social collapse.
But if Syria folds and goes to the all-out crazies, Lebanon will go into the toilet fast and all eyes will divert to Iran where the real show has always been.
Bed-wetters at ZH all a twitter over Jordan going apenuts, but that won't happen.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-03/jordan-prepares-syrian-fallout-places-air-force-high-alert (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-03/jordan-prepares-syrian-fallout-places-air-force-high-alert)
Jordan just wants to secure its border and keep more refugees from overloading it, can't balme 'em. I'd like to know what's it like to have a desire to secure your borders.
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Radio: Kerry blathering on about Obama's rights (yes, Obama has "the right" to go against Syria without Congress), Congress' rights, with no idea whatsoever that neither has rights; they have limited and specific authority and responsibilities. Period.
Irony. Neither are too concerned about citizens' rights.
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Radio: Kerry blathering on about Obama's rights (yes, Obama has "the right" to go against Syria without Congress), Congress' rights, with no idea whatsoever that neither has rights; they have limited and specific authority and responsibilities. Period.
Irony. Neither are too concerned about citizens' rights.
Sheep have rights...to be slaughtered and eaten, just ask the wolf.
In other news...
President PeacePrize still trying to wiggle out of his "red-line" statement...like the cowardly punk loser he is, he of course blames everybody...in this case he is blaming the world...I guess blaming Bush or blaming Republicans is just not enough...or people don't believe it and are tired of it...OK world, now it's your turn to be thrown under the bus!
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/09/obama-lies-about-red-lines-and-blames-the-world/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/09/obama-lies-about-red-lines-and-blames-the-world/)
Lowest of the low-life gutless worms of all time? Pretty good odds on that!
Followed this link at GP, the case seems pretty compelling that it is Qatar and the Saudi's pushing this crap...and when energy princes say dance, I guess you dance, or pay through the nose for oil & gas.
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/is-the-united-states-going-to-go-to-war-with-syria-over-a-natural-gas-pipeline (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/is-the-united-states-going-to-go-to-war-with-syria-over-a-natural-gas-pipeline)
The hardcore PaulBots will be disappointed in this news...but that won't stop them from blaming the Jews for everything. ::)
Oh, and as for idiots leaning for Obama's Syrian Fustercluck...
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/09/senate-expected-to-give-obama-a-green-light/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/09/senate-expected-to-give-obama-a-green-light/)
Crap, how can I say this? If these idiots voting for this meet a certain fate, and that fate is painful or horrific, and I witness said fate, that's OK...right?
ETA - Russia says chemical weapons attack was by US allied rebels.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-04/russia-chemical-attack-probe-shows-weapons-similar-ones-made-rebels (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-04/russia-chemical-attack-probe-shows-weapons-similar-ones-made-rebels)
They have to post this evidence for the world to see or it's just a whizzing contest...
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We must lead the world onto a civilized path (http://live.foxnews.com/#/2555052454001)
By going to war.
What a crock.
Senate panel approves Syrian intervention (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/04/mccain-opposes-syria-strike-resolution/)
Bush used most of these phrases, and now the Durbin uses them with a straight face. Dems are TOO STUPID toi even be aware of their own hypocrisy. But hey. No boots on the ground. Just like in Vietnam.
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Just like in Vietnam.
yep, just like
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You break it, you own it. (http://ricochet.com/main-feed/Dear-Congress-Welcome-To-Pottery-Barn)
Unless the GOP is even vaguely involved.
Then if you break it the GOP owns it.
Because they are a bunch of stupid idiots.
And that's the truth.
Really, Congress?
Are you really taking this sucker bet?
Really?
You're willing to bail out President Barack Obama after he's managed to set the Middle East on fire?
You're going give Obama cover after two years of Syrian civil war, a growing threat to Israel, a nuclear Iran closer than ever, and Egypt and Libya in chaos...all of which has been met with a shrug and “at this point what difference does it make?” nonchalance?
As in practically everything but campaigning, Barack Obama's zone of competence in foreign policy is so far in the rearview mirror it's almost comical...and now he wants the GOP to save him from himself.
He's being played by sand-trap dictators, Al Qaeda's bankers and Russian bad boys like some rube just fallen off the pumpkin truck...but please, go ahead and join him.
By all means, become a stakeholder in an ill-planned Administration policy with almost no possible good outcomes for the United States.
While you're at it, reward Obama and the Democrats' brazen, utterly shameless hypocrisy over war and Presidential power as if the last 10 years didn't happen.
You're going to get the stink of his failures and incompetence all over you? Fabulous. Apparently, they don't call us the stupid party for nothing.
His usual media top-cover seems shaky, his polling is soft, and his own caucus is muttering in discontent. This time, the man with the premature Peace Prize based on sanctimonious, prissy speeches is faced with the brutal realities of his failed policies.
Only the House and Senate GOP can save him.
So by all means, throw the man who views you with contempt and has tirelessly sought your political destruction a life preserver.
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Perhaps it's all for a reason. Maybe it will bring the final destruction of the GOP.
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Everything they've done has been to enable Obama.
They're on the same team-Big Government anti liberty team
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http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-world-europe/20130904/EU-Russia-Kerry/ (http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-world-europe/20130904/EU-Russia-Kerry/)
Well, at least the Russians have it right.
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Arabs to pay for war - with what else- oil money (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics-live/liveblog/the-houses-syria-hearing-live-updates/#e68f139f-e012-476c-876e-2467ba30e5e3)
USA - Our Military is now a mercenary force for hire- for oil. Go Dems!
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And now a prevailing theory says this is to get natural gas lines through Syria into Europe, to end the monopoly Russia's Gazprom has had over the gas supplies to Western Europe.
Let's hear it liberals: "No blood for gas! No blood for gas!"
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And now a prevailing theory says this is to get natural gas lines through Syria into Europe, to end the monopoly Russia's Gazprom has had over the gas supplies to Western Europe.
Let's hear it liberals: "No blood for gas! No blood for gas!"
What blood there isn't going to be any,Obama said so.
H/T Bonz at the grouchies.
(http://www.investors.com/image/TOON0903COLORCOLORFINAL111.gif.cms)
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For my friend Trapeze...
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p98/IronDioPriest/image_zpsbf16fc53.jpg)
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And now a prevailing theory says this is to get natural gas lines through Syria into Europe, to end the monopoly Russia's Gazprom has had over the gas supplies to Western Europe.
Let's hear it liberals: "No blood for gas! No blood for gas!"
Yes, that was in the Economic Collapse article I posted. And the Pubbies are all set to accept co-responsibility for this fustercluck we have no business participating in. Euro's want cheap gas? Tough sh*t, get it yourself, why do we have to do their bidding and at the same time the bidding of the Arabs?
And people can forget about Rand filibustering the Senate vote, IIRC war powers resolutions suspend normal Senate procedure, all you can do is vote it up or down...or pull an Obama and select "present". If this resolution fails it has to fail in the House where the votes are too close to call, and it must fall because enough Pubbies defied their suicidal leadership.
I am not especially filled with optimism.
Regardless, with or without a vote, Obama has (as we see in JF's post) painted himself into a corner.
Boy, would I like to be Vlad Putin for a day...not many have the opportunity to bitch-slap the POSOTUS...relish it!
War-mongering Dem's! Baby-killers! Trigger-happy Cowboys! Frustrated metrosexuals trying to act like they have big genitals! Murderers!
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ChiCom's keep warning the trigger-happy Amerikan's too...maybe they'll call in the IOU's and this will end in a whimper?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-05/china-officially-backs-russia-syria-warns-military-action-would-have-negative-impact (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-05/china-officially-backs-russia-syria-warns-military-action-would-have-negative-impact)
PS-It would be a hoot if Snowden appeared at the G20 conference and blew a fat rasberry at President PeacePrize! ;D
ETA - Russia releases 100 page report detailing Obama-supported rebels launched chemical attacks, this on the heel of Putin telling the truth and calling SoS Kerry a liar.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/09/05/201268/russia-releases-100-page-report.html (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/09/05/201268/russia-releases-100-page-report.html)
Even the Old Grey Hag, that bastion of leftist tripe is reporting how swell these rebels are...
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/world/middleeast/brutality-of-syrian-rebels-pose-dilemma-in-west.html?hp&_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/world/middleeast/brutality-of-syrian-rebels-pose-dilemma-in-west.html?hp&_r=0)
And this has me spooked a bit - [urlhttp://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/09/05/russia-warns-of-nuclear-disaster-if-syria-is-hit/]“If a warhead, by design or by chance, were to hit the Miniature Neutron Source Reactor (MSNR) near Damascus, the consequences could be catastrophic,”[/url]
Ultimate Russian red-line?
The US needs to butt out of this...but the US is stuck with a giant butt who wants the distraction and glory.
Pooched! ::gaah::
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Arabs to pay for war - with what else- oil money (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics-live/liveblog/the-houses-syria-hearing-live-updates/#e68f139f-e012-476c-876e-2467ba30e5e3)
USA - Our Military is now a mercenary force for hire- for oil. Go Dems!
This is the Arabs telling Obongo "let's you and him fight", and it's bullsh*t. Since when do we hire out our military?!
Per Wretchard, PJM's "Belmont Club":
"The offer is on the table", John Kerry is quoted as saying.
"Secretary of State John Kerry said during a hearing Wednesday in the House of Representatives that counties in the Arab world have offered to foot the entire bill for a U.S. military mission that destroys the Bashar al-Assad regime in Syria.
'With respect to Arab countries offering to bear costs and to assist, the answer is profoundly yes,' Kerry said. 'They have. That offer is on the table.'
Kerry, with a cadre of anti-war activists sitting behind him and holding red-painted hands aloft in protest, declined to name the countries that have proposed opening their purses. ...
As for 'the details of the offer, and the proposal on the table,' Ros-Lehtinen asked Kerry, 'what are the figures we are talking about?
'We don’t know what action we [will be] engaged in right now,' Kerry replied, 'but they have been quite significant. I mean, very significant.'
'In fact, some of them have said that if the U.S. is prepared to go do the whole thing, the way we’ve done it previously in other places, they’ll carry that cost. That’s how dedicated they are to this.'"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2411806/Offer-table-Arab-countries-pay-scale-U-S-invasion-Syria-says-Secretary-State-John-Kerry.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2411806/Offer-table-Arab-countries-pay-scale-U-S-invasion-Syria-says-Secretary-State-John-Kerry.html)
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Arabs to pay for war - with what else- oil money (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics-live/liveblog/the-houses-syria-hearing-live-updates/#e68f139f-e012-476c-876e-2467ba30e5e3)
USA - Our Military is now a mercenary force for hire- for oil. Go Dems!
This is the Arabs telling Obongo "let's you and him fight", and it's bullsh*t. Since when do we hire out our military?!
Per Wretchard, PJM's "Belmont Club":
"The offer is on the table", John Kerry is quoted as saying.
"Secretary of State John Kerry said during a hearing Wednesday in the House of Representatives that counties in the Arab world have offered to foot the entire bill for a U.S. military mission that destroys the Bashar al-Assad regime in Syria.
'With respect to Arab countries offering to bear costs and to assist, the answer is profoundly yes,' Kerry said. 'They have. That offer is on the table.'
Kerry, with a cadre of anti-war activists sitting behind him and holding red-painted hands aloft in protest, declined to name the countries that have proposed opening their purses. ...
As for 'the details of the offer, and the proposal on the table,' Ros-Lehtinen asked Kerry, 'what are the figures we are talking about?
'We don’t know what action we [will be] engaged in right now,' Kerry replied, 'but they have been quite significant. I mean, very significant.'
'In fact, some of them have said that if the U.S. is prepared to go do the whole thing, the way we’ve done it previously in other places, they’ll carry that cost. That’s how dedicated they are to this.'"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2411806/Offer-table-Arab-countries-pay-scale-U-S-invasion-Syria-says-Secretary-State-John-Kerry.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2411806/Offer-table-Arab-countries-pay-scale-U-S-invasion-Syria-says-Secretary-State-John-Kerry.html)
The few, the proud, the Mercs.
I can't find anyone who is serving or has served who want to fight along side the enemy.
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I am repulsed by the entire Middle East with the exception of Israel. It is a cesspool and is run by Monsters. All monsters to be sure but some are worse than others.
My heart tells me to let the place burn with the hope that they will be immersed in a civil war for years thus taking up their time killing each other while leaving the innocents free.
However there is one Monster that I feel must be stopped. That is Iran. They are hell bent on first destroying Israel and then us. This is what they live for and it consumes them with unquenching thirst.
Iran is watching closely what happens. If we do nothing I believe it will emboldened them and more violence will be the outcome. I believe this will help determine when their war with Israel will begin. Yes we should have done something sooner but I can only deal now with the realities at hand.
We have a president that I believe will go down as the worst president that has ever occupied the office. He and I are diametrically opposed. He has handled this Syrian situation (along with Iran, Libya, Egypt, etc.) as badly and as ineptly as anyone possibly could. His red line statement and depending on the mode of action stemming from it could be one of the gravest mistakes he has ever made. I love this country and with it my fellow conservatives. But I hate evil and trying to understand how absolutely evil, hateful, viscous without conscience the Monsters of Iran are I am struggling mightily over what is the best course of action the United States should take even if it is at odds with some of my fellow conservatives I greatly admire.
Therefore I think we should get it over with and bomb the heck out of Iran's military/nuclear facilities now. Syria is a proxy of Iran anyway and feel we are going to be in conflict with them sooner or later so I would tell Israel lets go and get this done.
Israel is silent now to see how this plays out. From what I have heard Israel believes they are alone and will have to attack Iran with out the help of the United States having observed such a detestable incompetent administration we have. Israel is buying time but time is running out.
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Comment by "Dlanor" at American Thinker (http://piece:[/b)
.... This Prog position is becoming clearer. Progs are against Shiites, but wish to make common cause with Sunnis. Progs were upset at Bush for taking out Sunnis. Principles have nothing to do with their position. For their collectivizing, liberty-destroying cause, they will sacrifice millions in a heartbeat. Simply put, elite Sunnis have better standing with the Prog NWO than Shia. If there is another explanation, test it against Ann Coulter's analysis.
Saddam was much worse than Assad, yet Obama was loud against striking Iraq. So what's the principled difference? The "principle" is that Obama identifies with the Sunnis who sponsor the Muslim Brotherhood. Everything else from the regime consists of lies and bs. Yes, Valerie Jarrett has ties with Shia Iran. However, she also has ties with Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood. And there are other Muslims who are close to the regime. Like Huma Abedin, Hilary's former assistant, who is Sunni. It's not that Obama disagrees with the substance of Rev. Wright or Osama Bin Ladin. It's that he disagrees with their methods. Obama's style is to lay the groundwork to restore the Caliphate and mesh it with political invasion, so the West does not see what's coming until it's too late. Taquia, not toppling towers.
Although the Muslim Brotherhood is predominantly Sunni in doctrine, it has Shia associates in Iran. It's purpose is foremost to wage jihad for Islam. Once shariah and the caliphate are established, then issues of doctrine can be sorted out. Both Sunnis and Shia have an idea of a Mahdi. Just the sort of thing to appeal to someone who fancies himself as being God's gift to the world. That's the creepy thing about pictures of Obama adoring himself in the mirror. This makes the gun running behind Benghazi even creepier. Putin is surely considering that Obama's ego sees himself as being either the Mahdi or a precursor. So Putin will consider how to use Obama's grand delusion against him. Either way, the world, with Obama's fu fingers on big buttons, is in a tight fix.
I can't support Obama using the American military as al Qaeda's air force. Ted Cruz is right: Nothing good can come of this. If Obama wants more trust, he must first kick the muslims out of the WH! The situation is probably not as good as it looks.
I've read elsewhere that Assad is Sunni, ruling over majority Shia Syria. Wheels within wheels.
We should have moved against Iran already. As we haven't, we should not further destabilize yet ANOTHER country in the Middle East, particularly based on what this Regime is telling us. They lie. About everything.
As I wrote elsewhere on this thread:
"Not only are the British not coming, the Germans, the French, the UN, and the Canadians are not coming either. Nor is NATO. The Russians, however, will be kibitzing from the sidelines, with a big fat raspberry to Obongo, who has not properly gone to Congress for authorization to lob a few cruise missiles, for a couple-three days, at predetermined minor infrastructure targets, to not include Assad or his regime, beginning on a certain date, all of which have been announced to the world, despite there being no US national interest, nor national security issue at stake.
That about cover it?"
Plus, the Arabs are agreeing to pay us for putting the lives of our military at stake? Oh, hell no.
If Iran launches against Israel, we will then have a reason to get involved as Israel is an ally. If and until then ....... no.
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Nice comments...most of what Dlanor says is moot, Obama is as likely to boot Muzzies out of his midst as Slick Willie is about to give up chunky young chicks.
Magnum has it pretty much right, Israel is largely on her own, and they correctly see no difference between Sunnis or Shiites, both who want them annihilated, but they properly see Iran as the bigger threat. Those Persians are controlled by a special kind of Shia madness that will actively seek actions that bring them closer to their Iblis-controlled Mahdi! Syria is a sideshow for Lord Obama, a tool to run his magic act back here. And I am dubious of how much support he would give Israel when she acts...Israel would best recall the much debated Golda Meir threat to Nixon to go nuclear if he didn't expedite necessary military hardware lickity-split, Bibi may need to play that trump card too in order to get Obama off his ass.
God help us all, and Israel in her time of need! ::praying::
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Obama is expanding the target list...see how that pending loss in the House vote is going? He'll go anyway...what kind of leverage or cooperation these GOP jackasses who want to vote for his dirty little war really expect? Idiots!
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/06/world/middleeast/pentagon-is-ordered-to-expand-potential-targets-in-syria-with-a-focus-on-forces.html?hp&_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/06/world/middleeast/pentagon-is-ordered-to-expand-potential-targets-in-syria-with-a-focus-on-forces.html?hp&_r=0)
And diplomats being evacuated from Lebanon...well duh?! Doesn't take a genuis to see that place being levelled in the process, does it?!
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_US_LEBANON_SYRIA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-09-06-08-08-18 (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_US_LEBANON_SYRIA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-09-06-08-08-18)
And the Persians itchin' for some action...so the Main Event is warming up as the sideshow intesifies.
http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=3674.new#new (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=3674.new#new)
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Arabs to pay for war - with what else- oil money (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics-live/liveblog/the-houses-syria-hearing-live-updates/#e68f139f-e012-476c-876e-2467ba30e5e3)
USA - Our Military is now a mercenary force for hire- for oil. Go Dems!
This is the Arabs telling Obongo "let's you and him fight", and it's bullsh*t. Since when do we hire out our military?!
Per Wretchard, PJM's "Belmont Club":
"The offer is on the table", John Kerry is quoted as saying.
"Secretary of State John Kerry said during a hearing Wednesday in the House of Representatives that counties in the Arab world have offered to foot the entire bill for a U.S. military mission that destroys the Bashar al-Assad regime in Syria.
'With respect to Arab countries offering to bear costs and to assist, the answer is profoundly yes,' Kerry said. 'They have. That offer is on the table.'
Kerry, with a cadre of anti-war activists sitting behind him and holding red-painted hands aloft in protest, declined to name the countries that have proposed opening their purses. ...
As for 'the details of the offer, and the proposal on the table,' Ros-Lehtinen asked Kerry, 'what are the figures we are talking about?
'We don’t know what action we [will be] engaged in right now,' Kerry replied, 'but they have been quite significant. I mean, very significant.'
'In fact, some of them have said that if the U.S. is prepared to go do the whole thing, the way we’ve done it previously in other places, they’ll carry that cost. That’s how dedicated they are to this.'"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2411806/Offer-table-Arab-countries-pay-scale-U-S-invasion-Syria-says-Secretary-State-John-Kerry.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2411806/Offer-table-Arab-countries-pay-scale-U-S-invasion-Syria-says-Secretary-State-John-Kerry.html)
Since his friends need a pipeline.
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So get this: the Obama regime is actually perplexed that they have failed to win the support of -- wait for it -- Iran in the looming kinetic action against Syria, i.e. the war-that-won't-be-a-war according to John Kerry.
That's right, this gaggle of cloistered eggheads at the State Department had actually convinced themselves that Assad using chemical weapons would cause the Iranians to shun him and leave him to twist in the wind. The Affirmative Action president has made a lot of Affirmative Action appointments to what, as it turns out, are actually pretty darn important positions. This particular bit of weapons grade stupidity comes courtesy of Samantha Power, she of "R2P" fame. But she has the right set of reproductive organs, so don't dare question her competence.
Iran is enduring economic sanctions designed to slow the country's nuclear weapons program, but President Obama's team thought the regime might abandon dictator Bashar Assad over his use of chemical weapons in Syria's civil war.
Samantha Power, the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, hoped that a team of UN investigators — many of whom, presumably, have a longstanding relationship with Iranian leaders -- could write a report that would convince Iran to abandon its ally at the behest of the United States.
"We worked with the UN to create a group of inspectors and then worked for more than six months to get them access to the country on the logic that perhaps the presence of an investigative team in the country might deter future attacks," Power said at the Center for American Progress as she made the case for intervening in Syria.
"Or, if not, at a minimum, we thought perhaps a shared evidentiary base could convince Russia or Iran — itself a victim of Saddam Hussein's monstrous chemical weapons attacks in 1987-1988 — to cast loose a regime that was gassing it's people," she said.
Rather than "cast loose" Assad after the latest chemical weapons attack, as the Obama team hoped, "Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Khamenei has warned the Obama administration against any proposed military strike on Syria," as the International Business Times reports.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama-team-thought-iran-would-not-tolerate-bashar-assads-use-of-wmds/article/2535328 (http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama-team-thought-iran-would-not-tolerate-bashar-assads-use-of-wmds/article/2535328)
H/T: Small Dead Animals (http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/amateur-hour-8.html)
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Now maybe he would rethink a nuclear Iran.This is why he needs to stop that in it's tracks.
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This is not going to end well.
I know, understatement of the year...
::unknowncomic::
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H/T RickZ
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTb8XNCCcAAhiks.jpg)
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That's what you get when a minority set-aside community scam artist is your nominee and the nation is too ignorant and pc/diversity/multi-culti poisoned to think beyond skin color and elects a no-load Muzzie sympathizer as President. President PeacePrize...you get no peace and the prize is a sick joke.
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Oh hey, maybe PeacePrize will intervene in Egypt now that innocent wildlife is getting snuffed?!
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/09/07/Stork-detained-as-spy-in-Egypt-found-dead (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/09/07/Stork-detained-as-spy-in-Egypt-found-dead)
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None of this is about human rights. (http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2013/09/big-fat-red-line.html)
It's not even about humans. It's about big pictures and even the devoted readers of books about the Post-American World Order still have their big pictures composed of grand historical movements and massive chess games in which leaders can be raised and toppled, in which power can check power until a perfect stabilizing point is reached and the rest of the world decides to start killing its own babies, dismantling its own industry and dedicating all its efforts to turning out graduates with three degrees to teach small children about transgender identity.
Gotta love the Sultan. RTWT.
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Yeah, Danny got a bit of smartass in him (who doesn't?) , God Bless him, but he is correct, and a well-placed barb in the side of the beast is deserved. After all, if the media wasn't so in the tank for PeacePrize and libiots in general, they'd be doing the same thing, right? So, most conservative and libertarian bloggers can have the motto "Doing what the media used to do back before they sold their soul to the far-left"!
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Hilarious.
Lurch gives Assad one week to turn over all chemical weapons.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/504691/20130909/kerry-gives-ultimatum-assad-syria-chemical-weapons.htm (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/504691/20130909/kerry-gives-ultimatum-assad-syria-chemical-weapons.htm)
Sounds like to me the Obama Regime is beginning to realize what a big load it stepped into and is really reaching for anything it can now.
Of course all Assad has to do is sit tight. But Obama is desperate here, he is determined to smack Syria no matter what it does to him or anybody else.
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OMG! A trifecta of Obama Regime fail!!!
First - State is backtracking on the Kerry Statement as not being another "red line"! (I see some are making sport of "Red Line 2"!) It's just Jean F rhetorical jabberwocky after all!
http://gma.yahoo.com/did-us-offer-syrian-president-125806202--abc-news-topstories.html (http://gma.yahoo.com/did-us-offer-syrian-president-125806202--abc-news-topstories.html)
::hysterical::
Next - Even the Communist News Network cannot hide the fact that even the whacko Obama kool-aid guzzling minions are breaking 70-30 against intervening in Syria.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/09/politics/syria-poll-main/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 (http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/09/politics/syria-poll-main/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)
::popcorn::
And finally - Jean F has to have more stupidity ooze out of his witless brain via his facial orifice - " the United States is considering only an 'unbelievably, small, limited' strike on Syria as punishment for allegedly using chemical weapons and he insisted military action will not end that country’s civil war. 'We’re not going to war,' Mr. Kerry told reporters Monday after meeting with British Foreign Secretary William Hague in London."
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/were-not-talking-about-war-kerry-outlines-unbelievably-small-strike-on-syria/article14184543/ (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/were-not-talking-about-war-kerry-outlines-unbelievably-small-strike-on-syria/article14184543/)
:o
::laughonfloor::
Lemme get this straight, you acknowledge US intervention won't change a damned thing (Paying attention J-Mac & Lindsay et al?), that this "action" will be puny and pointless...and that whatever the Obama Regime does cannot in any way be construed as "war"?
What an ass!
We have ZERO national interest in Syria! None! And everybody but the most diseased brain-dead ObamaBot knows that...and even then some of them know but don't care, as usual. Let Europe, Qatar & the Saudi's find another band of mercenaries to topple Syria and get your gas pipeline laid! Let them tangle with Russia who will die rather than give up their Gazprom monopoly and Mediterranean naval bases!
Man I loath this Regime!!!
BREAKING -
Russia offers Syria an out while sticking a finger in Obama's eye - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-09/russia-launches-new-surprising-strategy-appeasement (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-09/russia-launches-new-surprising-strategy-appeasement)
Syria agrees - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-09/syria-welcomes-will-comply-russian-chemical-weapon-disarmament-initiative (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-09/syria-welcomes-will-comply-russian-chemical-weapon-disarmament-initiative)
Don't get too excited though, merely a postponement of Regime change...Qatar & the Saudi's are deploying assets as we speak to don Syrian military garb and slaughter any inspectors...then the slaughter is on and the pipeline a done deal.
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Drudge headline says "Checkmate"...actually, I think it looks more like Obama resigning rather than continue playing a game he will lose.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/john-kerry-in-london-campaigns-for-world-to-support-military-strike-against-syria/2013/09/09/e8ad7a72-193d-11e3-80ac-96205cacb45a_print.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/john-kerry-in-london-campaigns-for-world-to-support-military-strike-against-syria/2013/09/09/e8ad7a72-193d-11e3-80ac-96205cacb45a_print.html)
I think Duh Wun still thinks he can wiggle around Kerry's gaff and salvage Operation Pipeline and make his Arab & Euro partners and myriad of contributors happy.
When I see this - “We are going to run this to ground,” Obama said. “We’re going to make sure that we see how serious these proposals are.”
And this - Kerry warned Lavrov that the United States was “not going to play games.”
I see a Regime who will bend over backwards to find fault with the Kerry Blunder Plan and in the end rely upon Arab allies to pose as Syrian military and snuff any international authorities dispatched to handle any Syrian chemical weapons found and use that as the pretext for unilateral action...no wasting time with procedural moves, direct action with regime change as the only acceptable outcome...what follows doesn't matter as long as the gas flows.
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Maybe he is trying to earn his Peace Prize. Almost start a war, and then when the Russians offer him a way to save face, take it. See the Syrian Weapons are under "international control" - Iraq was under the same control of course.. and no one in the "international community" was buying Iraqi Oil violating sanctions or abusing the Oil for Food program either. You Americans are SOOO gullible. Yeah, we are watching those weapons.. we know where they are. No one would lie to us, and no we aren't taking bribes to lie to you.
Also has the bonus of further damaging America's diplomatic credibility around the world - its almost as low as the credibility of the United Nations.
Via INstapundit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=z-sdO6pwVHQ#t=117 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=z-sdO6pwVHQ#t=117)
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Putin has been taking Obongos lunch money since he got elected.I can't wait for the sales pitch on this one.
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If the Russians are involved you can rest assured that all is not what it seems. There will be many layers of deception involved. You have to remember that Putin has zero reasons to do anything to help President DumbAss. Putin has been personally insulted, recently, by this child and it is difficult to imagine that he would do anything at all without Zero's destruction baked into the cake. Putin would do it anyway just to do damage to the USA.
President DumbAss is playing a game that he thinks he understands, that he thinks he is a master of. He thinks that he holds all of the cards because he has the US military to play with. But that is merely a big card that can be misplayed by a moron. The last two weeks have shown that this is all too true...that the superpower card can be overplayed, misplayed, etc. and that it is being handled right now by an idiot and his team of idiots.
We have a rather dangerous three years to continue to suffer this fool. We may not survive.
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Yeah, three years is an awful long time to hope a egomaniacal jackass doesn't screw up so bad that he gets millions slaughtered...
In that event the only good news is the survivors will almost assuredly hunt down the surviving perpetrators and say goodbye in a way that is meaningful...
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President DumbAss is playing a game that he thinks he understands, that he thinks he is a master of. He thinks that he holds all of the cards because he has the US military to play with. But that is merely a big card that can be misplayed by a moron. The last two weeks have shown that this is all too true...that the superpower card can be overplayed, misplayed, etc. and that it is being handled right now by an idiot and his team of idiots.
We have a rather dangerous three years to continue to suffer this fool. We may not survive.
Yeah. This is who he thinks he is:
(http://moonbattery.com/obama-biden-foot-on-desk.jpg)
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Hard to look at sh*t and not want to grab a shovel.
Meanwhile, at the Useless Nations.... UN Security Council To Meet (Behind Closed Doors) On Russian Plan (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-10/un-security-council-meet-behind-closed-doors-russian-plan)
If there is any truth to the rumors of a G20 (see I'm flexible!) deal, then this is the venue it will come out of, but if this gets nixed then I reckon we can put those rumors to rest.
Operation "Shuck n' Jive" as Rush calls it is still in play...there are still Regime idiots pressuring congresscritters to authorize a spanking...
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And what the hell is up with this? (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/09/exclusive-obamas-jim-crow-foreign-policy-segregated-syria-war-meeting-at-white-house-with-congressional-black-caucus/)
President Barack Obama and his National Security Advisor Susan Rice, who like Obama is Black, are holding a classified meeting on Syria at the White House with members of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) , according to reporter April Ryan, the White House reporter for American Urban Radio Networks.
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While there are times that a meeting with the group that is a repugnant remnant of racial divisions in America might make sense — such as how to get Black unemployment down from the double-digit Depression era levels it has been since Obama took office — it is hard to see what the ‘black take’ on Syria is that differentiates the CBC from the rest of the country.
The only possible explanation is that Obama is making a special racial solidarity pitch with his soul brothers and sisters in Congress. Otherwise, the meeting would have been open to all members of Congress regardless of race.
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This analysis at The New Republic (http://ttp://www.newrepublic.com/article/114655/obama-syria-policy-octopus-fighting-itself) of all places is about the best I've seen yet.
I could excerpt it and I will (a little) but the whole thing is worthy of your time. It outlines in stark detail just how bad this things is.
What happened was Kerry went off message and, as has been his wont as Secretary of State, off the reservation, and violated the cardinal rule of official press conferences: He answered a hypothetical question in a hypothetical way. He blurted out a pie-in-the-sky, hyperbolic idea—getting rid of "every single bit" of the chemical weapons scattered across Syria "in the next week"—but everyone seized on it as a realistic proposal. It's not.
This thing, coming from libs, would be laugh out loud funny (and how often can you say that about irony?) if it weren't so deadly serious.
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Okay, one more just to get you to go read the whole thing. It really is something...
There are two clear winners in this slow-motion train wreck, and they are not Obama or Kerry. They are Assad and Putin. Both wanted, for their own reasons, to avert a military strike, and a military strike was averted. Putin insisted on a diplomatic solution while doing everything to make a diplomatic solution impossible, and now he gets his phony, unenforceable diplomatic solution. Assad wanted to go on killing his opposition, and he will continue to do so.
Obama, on the other hand, found himself constantly check-mated, either by his own hand, or, this time, by Kerry's. First, he drew a red line on chemical weapons, seemingly by accident. Then, he all but ignored chemical weapons use by Assad until the evidence forced itself on the world. Then he agonized on whether to act, while Dempsey and the Pentagon rolled him, leaking their military plans to anyone who would listen, "probably," said one insider, "because they didn't want to act." Then, he talked about how limited the strikes would be, all while Assad moved his men and his guns into residential areas and the Russians moved their ships in. Then, out of nowhere, he decided to take it to Congress. "The president says that he’s going to launch strikes and then, suddenly, he’s going to Congress. It's probably one of the more incredible things I’ve ever seen," McCain told me. "We were all dumbfounded," said another Senate staffer.
Will anyone, even on his own side, ever take him seriously on anything ever again? We can only hope. (not)
Side note: Remember how the libs lamented that poor old Bill Clinton didn't get the chance to have 9/11 happen on his watch so that everyone would know just what a super duper president he was? Well, this situation doesn't even come close to the seriousness of that incident and look at the FAIL. Can you even imagine what kind of trouble we will be in if we get another real attack on the USA during this idiot's second term?
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...Can you even imagine what kind of trouble we will be in if we get another real attack on the USA during this idiot's second term?
I am not convinced that Obama would consider an attack on the US as a failure of his presidency. This recent string of events has served to do more damage to American credibility and our image of superpower than any event in my lifetime. I believe it has been orchestrated to accomplish exactly that - or at the very least, the opportunity was presented by the crisis, and the Leftists have not let the crisis go to waste.
The Leftists want the United States weakened. Now we are weakened. In regards to Syria, I have no more reason to believe that we are weakened by fecklessness than to believe we are weakened by design.
Obama Open Mic Audio With Russian President Medvedev (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA_0YS7tK04#ws)
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President DumbAss is playing a game that he thinks he understands, that he thinks he is a master of. He thinks that he holds all of the cards because he has the US military to play with. But that is merely a big card that can be misplayed by a moron. The last two weeks have shown that this is all too true...that the superpower card can be overplayed, misplayed, etc. and that it is being handled right now by an idiot and his team of idiots.
We have a rather dangerous three years to continue to suffer this fool. We may not survive.
Yeah. This is who he thinks he is:
(http://moonbattery.com/obama-biden-foot-on-desk.jpg)
That disrespectful prick need to get his shoes off out effing desk!
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Our cable suddenly went blank just before the historic Obama babble. Guess I'm lucky.
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Our cable suddenly went blank just before the historic Obama babble. Guess I'm lucky.
oh dang, I "forgot". No, really. Did he say anything?
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I watched Rizzoli and Isles.I'm sure the speech was riveting. ::smallestviolin::
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I think he said something like "Let me be clear... I... me... uh... I... me... ah... let me be clear."
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Lighten Up, Guys
Help Kickstart World War III! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-sdO6pwVHQ#)
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War! f**k yeah!
::hysterical::
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Vald gives PeacePrize the Syrian Plan...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24053918 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24053918)
And, feelin' pretty good about hisself Vlad wants to sell more toys to Iran...
http://www.france24.com/en/20130911-russia-renew-offer-supply-300s-iran (http://www.france24.com/en/20130911-russia-renew-offer-supply-300s-iran)
...now this I do not like. But, alas, PeacePrize is in no position to do much about it other than squat and cry...
...Poor Israel, she better act soon before Iran gets more armed-up...
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I think he said something like "Let me be clear... I... me... uh... I... me... ah... let me be clear."
thanks for the update!
::laughonfloor::
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#likevladcrushedobama
"Holy crap, did you SEE that game? What a frikkin blowout!"
"Yeah, no doubt. They got manhandled, #likevladcrushedobama"
"Man, that poor baboon. Did you see the way that croc shot out of the water and bit him in half?"
"I know, right? That monkey got dead as bad as #likevladcrushedobama"
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Report: CIA sending weapons to Syrian rebels
The CIA has begun delivering weapons to rebels in Syria, ending months of delay in lethal aid that had been promised by the Obama administration, the Washington Post reported.
According to the report, the arms shipments, which are limited to light weapons and other munitions that can be tracked, began streaming into the country over the past two weeks, along with separate deliveries by the State Department of vehicles and other gear. (Ynet)
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4428798,00.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4428798,00.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)
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Sonsabitches. I don't EVER want to hear "Iran-Contra" again or I will smash face.
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If the media is reporting this now...it is a sure bet that the arming began a year ago.
I deem it more likely that Mossad chose to leak this to the press so it would be disseminated.
I may be more right than I thought about the time being ripe for Israel to act on Iran...they might just be using the Syrian issue as cover.
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(http://www.imao.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Obama-red-lines.jpg)
http://www.imao.us/index.php/2013/09/it-saddens-me-that-we-have-a-president-about-which-this-can-be-said/ (http://www.imao.us/index.php/2013/09/it-saddens-me-that-we-have-a-president-about-which-this-can-be-said/)
Pretty much explains the backasswardness of Obamunism...
::cussing:: Obama! And ::cussing:: Obama lovers!
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Syrian incursion has been postponed...the covert war will continue...if and when chemical weapons are surrendered and satisfy the PTBs...I still say this could be derailed if around November inspectors get whacked or if the covert war gets hotter...the Obama Regime is still saying they'll act without UN approval, so nothing has changed...other than once more a lightweight got knocked down by a heavyweight...Vladimir Putin, Leader of the Free World? Yeah, by default...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/officials-us-wont-seek-un-approval-for-strike-if-syria-reneges-on-chemical-arms-pact/2013/09/13/a203b068-1cb3-11e3-80ac-96205cacb45a_print.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/officials-us-wont-seek-un-approval-for-strike-if-syria-reneges-on-chemical-arms-pact/2013/09/13/a203b068-1cb3-11e3-80ac-96205cacb45a_print.html)
ETA - They are trying really hard to make this confrontation go hot...
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/09/syrian-war-spreading-car-bomb-explodes-on-syrian-border-turkish-syrian-tensions-escalate/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/09/syrian-war-spreading-car-bomb-explodes-on-syrian-border-turkish-syrian-tensions-escalate/)
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So he knows.
Obama knows that the opposition is al Qaeda and Muslim Brotherhood,
"Obama waives ban on arming terrorists to allow aid to Syrian opposition" The Examiner, September 16, 2013 (thanks to Van)
President Obama waived a provision of federal law designed to prevent the supply of arms to terrorist groups to clear the way for the U.S. to provide military assistance to "vetted" opposition groups fighting Syrian dictator Bashar Assad.
Some elements of the Syrian opposition are associated with radical Islamic terrorist groups, including al Qaeda, which was responsible for the Sept. 11 attacks in New York, Washington, D.C., and Shanksville, Pa., in 2001. Assad's regime is backed by Iran and Hezbollah.
The president, citing his authority under the Arms Export Control Act, announced today that he would "waive the prohibitions in sections 40 and 40A of the AECA related to such a transaction."
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/09/obama-waives-ban-on-arming-terrorists-to-allow-aid-to-syrian-jihadis.html (http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/09/obama-waives-ban-on-arming-terrorists-to-allow-aid-to-syrian-jihadis.html)
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This is massively revealing on several levels!
First - For the first time in history a US President has unilaterally declared a duly enacted law as null and void on his own accord. The POSOTUS should be impeached 20 times over for transgressions accrued to date, but this kind of lawlessness is nothing less than a dictatorial seizure of power in direct opposition to established constitutional imperatives!
Second - This is the first time in history a US President has openly decided to arm terrorists hostile to US interests and values. Again, this clearly meets the criteria of High Crimes and Misdomeanors!
Third - The Dictator Obama has allowed terrorists to have access to weapons law-abiding citizens in the United States are restricted and/or outright banned from possessing. We cannot even get access to our weapons left in South Korea repatriated for sale back home...and this miserable little Dictator is giving fully automoatic weapons and all manner of explosive devices to Al Qaeda and Muslim Bortherhood terrorists!
Obama must be impeached. Corker and Levin need to be expelled from the Senate and tried for treason. Anybody supporting this needs to go...or We the People need to take care of things directly ourselves!!!
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Corker......please, for the love of god, don't bring this asshat up again. What a friggin moron.
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At least Bibi knows how to say "Up yours, Putin!" in language they can understand!
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/10/israeli-planes-strike-russian-missile-stockpiles-in-syria/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/10/israeli-planes-strike-russian-missile-stockpiles-in-syria/)
::danceban::
And what does the assholish Obama Regime do?
If you guessed throw Israel under the bus (for the 943rd time) you win a cookie!
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/11/israeli-officials-outraged-after-obama-officials-confirm-airstrike-on-syrian-arms-supplies/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/11/israeli-officials-outraged-after-obama-officials-confirm-airstrike-on-syrian-arms-supplies/)
::cussing:: Obama! This is a two-fer for that Incubus! He gets to fukc Israel over and goad Syria into making a stupid move that widens the conflict so Obama can ride in to Al-Queerda's rescue on his white donkey!
::pullhair::
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The Benghazi gunrunning debacle and treason-filled cover up, the arming of crazies that allowed DAESH to swell into prominence dwarfing AQ in the entire region, putting troops there, etc etc...
Now, Czar Vlad the Imperious is establishing a Russian air presence outside Damascus to fly jets and helos out of for strike missions on Obama's creation (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-31/russian-military-forces-arrive-syria-set-forward-operating-base-near-damascus) and they will be repairing the Syrian Army as well and thus the Assad Regime will survive...and Obama and the idiots in the EU who followed him now look like stuttering idiots, which I suspect is a normal condition for them anyway...but this is checkmate, there is nothing they can do now without risking all-out war with Russia, and Obama will not do that. And Syria isn't worth two sh*ts anyway.
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It's not a good sign...when everybody in this Regime begins to practice "Harfing"...
http://www.weaselzippers.us/234921-obamas-u-n-ambassador-samantha-power-makes-up-a-new-phrase-we-will-operationally-de-conflict-with-russians-in-syria/ (http://www.weaselzippers.us/234921-obamas-u-n-ambassador-samantha-power-makes-up-a-new-phrase-we-will-operationally-de-conflict-with-russians-in-syria/)
"...we will operationally de-conflict with Russians..."
Translated from Obama-Speak/Harfing..."...the Dear Leader will assume the position and relax his anus for Vlad Putin's mighty manhood...again..."
Whatever.
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Rooskies in Syria to stay.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/russia-expands-military-its-presence-in-syria-satellite-photos-show-1442937150 (http://www.wsj.com/articles/russia-expands-military-its-presence-in-syria-satellite-photos-show-1442937150)
Shocking, they want to protect their arms buyer, secure oil pipeline control over yet another region and have a place to park boats and planes...
Yet, when other people do that it's baaaaad. Oh, and conquering for territory Crimea-style, put that in a Nike "Just do it!" campaign ad.