Topic: Self Control

[ChrstnHsbndFthr]

My Dear friends and compatriots,

Some of the things posted here disturb me.  In so many ways, I find TRUTH in our posts, strength and preparation for hard things to accept, and knowledge as well as compassion.....but, I also find us slipping into places in which I take no pride. The power of many revolutionaries has come from the moral high ground, from the appeal to the center of people who did not naturally do what is right, but could be activated...could be restored.....and too often we forget that moral power. Every careless word WILL be accounted for i the day of judgment, but it will be held against us in this life and this work. 

We must not consent to the desire to speak our freedom in the most outlandish of ways, but to speak oru freedom with PERSONAL responsibility.  Yes, we have the FREEDOM to say vile things, but it does not further our cause. I am NOT a moderator and do not desire ANY censorship. What I desire is that good men, good and true, do not give in to their baser selves. Censor YOURSELF. Do not speak racism. Do not speak hate. Do not speak of murder or violence. Speak of freedom. Speak of liberty. Speak of hope, and faith, and love. We can still save our land I so believe, even if we cannot save its current government. 

I well understand the risk I take here. Know that I truly love all of those who post here. Let us each choose our words wisely and if you cannot accept my concerns, then I understand and will accept your judgment. I could hold my tongue no longer.  Please, understand, I do not ask moderators to act. I ask our posters to SELF moderate. The RIGHT to speak your mind is inviolate. CHOOSE to speal your TRUE heart; do not give in to the desire to push the envelope.

What I see here is often the push of one man against another. THe leftists have so pushed, so hard, that we have leaned into them. We no longer stand upright, but are leaned over. My simple request to those who are so good, so right, so strong, and so understanding, is to stand upright.....lean not to one side or another, but stand upright, stand firm and tall.

Enough. If my point is not made, I suppose it is beyong my capacity to make.  We can stand without leaning toward evil. Let us stand. Together. Upright. Firm.  But, upright.

[IronDioPriest]

I appreciate your thoughtful appeal, truly. I see the same things, and I'm guilty of them.

We are pressed and stressed. That is for sure.

[ChrstnHsbndFthr]

Thank you for your consideration, IDP.

[KittenClaws]

Good post.

Free men should always speak the truth to free men. I applaud you.

[Pablo de Fleurs]

I’m going to go out on a limb & guess that at least 1 or 2 things I’ve written may be in the category of which we’re speaking. I like to get as close to saying what I’m thinking as I can without literally being investigated by any agency…and because I truly want to see & witness a bloody & violent ending to the lawlessness we are witnessing.

When I write “George Washington did not witness, nor read Scripture, to the Brits” , or something of the kind, I mean that the time has come to cease attempting to change these bastards…it is time to kill them.

Lawlessness, vicious culture war, womb murder, hoisting up perversion as normal & international preening at the expense of the country, Constitution & people you represent is 100% unacceptable. And the fact that it’s done with a “f*ck you”, in your face, purposeful determination warrants a death penalty in my opinion; a violent & bloody, Old Testament styled death.

I also know that God has made, set & maintains the world stage. He is aware of the mocking men that act against His commands & precepts; and He will deal with, judge & determine their eternal fate…for He knows their hearts. And He is also quite capable of slaying those whom He chooses to slay; and I know that He often does that using righteous men.

James writes for us to “Confess [our] trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that [we] may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much.” (5:16). And I do. I confess the evil within my own heart. And I also celebrate my ability to see, discern as well as teach…which I will shortly begin again in January. And my prayer for the sake of my 2 children’s (as well as yours) future, is that those now in power are not simply turned out of office…but slaughtered.

I am not one to wring my hands or gnash my teeth & mutter “Goodness gracious, just look at what they’re doing now.” I act, I attend meetings, I attend rallies, I sternly encourage fellow citizens to their faces of the need to do the same, I assemble with peers & speak before my state’s legislators…and I despair in my heart that these actions have not sufficiently swayed the course for righteousness’ sake.

And, so I pray:

Psalm 109:6-13

New King James Version (NKJV)
6 Set a wicked man over him,
And let an accuser[a] stand at his right hand.
7 When he is judged, let him be found guilty,
And let his prayer become sin.
8 Let his days be few,
And let another take his office.
9 Let his children be fatherless,
And his wife a widow.
10 Let his children continually be vagabonds, and beg;
Let them seek their bread also from their desolate places.
11 Let the creditor seize all that he has,
And let strangers plunder his labor.
12 Let there be none to extend mercy to him,
Nor let there be any to favor his fatherless children.
13 Let his posterity be cut off,
And in the generation following let their name be blotted out.

Lord let it be so. Amen

[ToddF]

We all have our personal limits.  I know I have mine, which are probably out of bounds for others, and others here might go a little beyond my personal limits. 

By the way, any personal examples of what comes to mind?  I brought up one, not so long ago, that looked to be very close to actually advocating violence.  What was your example?

The drama queens  have flamed out and left.  What's left here can    while discussing such.

[Libertas]

I am as fiesty and passionate in my beliefs as any...I make no apologies for that...and some may find it incredulous but I moderate myself as best I can.  Yes, this is me trying...stop that snickering!  Anyway, I begrudge no man or woman an opinion or the will to speak it openly, if any take offense, I think we're all big enough to discuss it and reach an understanding and be friends at the end.  We live in interesting times, and the assaults and insults we suffer daily from our progressive oppressors is not going to let up, neither should we, boldly we will strive to protect and preserve our beliefs and values, and we will not shrink in the face of unrelenting evil.  Together we will prevail. 

So say we all!

[Weisshaupt]

Some of the things posted here disturb me.  I....but, I also find us slipping into places in which I take no pride. The power of many revolutionaries has come from the moral high ground, from the appeal to the center of people who did not naturally do what is right, but could be activated...could be restored.....and too often we forget that moral power.

As one I am sure is included in  those being asked to self moderate, I feel the need to respond.
That we speak of doing what must be done SHOULD disturb you, for what must be done is disturbing, and we can't retain the moral high ground when we do it.

Did Stalin have the "moral high ground"?  Pol Pot?  Mao?   You know they claimed to have it - for their cause and sacrifice would bring about a glorious socialist utopia.

George Washington? Lincoln?  Did they have the "moral high ground"?  One a traitor to his mother country, the other disobeying the Constitution we swore to uphold?

All revolutionaries will lay claim to a bit of moral high ground somewhere - the noble cause they are fighting for but you simply can't keep the moral high ground  while standing in a Blood Soaked field. Gandhi succeeded in his efforts only because he was fighting a civilized and moral enemy.  Ours is not so. As I have proven in the past- these people are narcissistic sociopaths who see you as communal property - and plan to use you and care for you in that fashion. 

Talking with these people isn't going to make them stop. Going to meetings meetings, attending  rallies and  assembling with peers  to speak before legislators will not work, anymore than going before Stalin, Pol Pot or Mao to explain liberty would work to stay their hands.

Did the Sons of Liberty take the high road?

There were those who believed as you in the Continental congress as well, and had their voices won out,  the British would have crushed our revolution and spirits and we would probably still be resource colonies of the English Crown.

The other side does not deal in good faith and they never will.  I care not if I have the support of the squishy middle  who will only  look up  and notice the bloody fields outside their windows  when such activities interrupt Honey-Boo-Boo or the NFL football game.  The Tea Party made the call for liberty years ago. These people stayed on their couches. We need to stay in their good graces why? Because people who can't even see evil when it is in their faces,  will chose our side because we talk of freedom?  If these people cared about freedom they would already be at our sides.  Do we care because they  they Vote, sometimes, if they remember, and based on some barely recalled slogan or on their parents voting habits? Even if we could get them to vote for liberty- who will they vote for?  The GOP?  Same coin, different side. Voting will not avail us now- the Republic and its checks on power are  dead.


The electoral system is fraudulent and broken.  The Fascists WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT - because they let some places vote 100% (or more!) for one Candidate.  They were telling you, in no uncertain terms, that they will count the votes.  Why did the Senate vote to kill the filibuster? Because they KNOW they will never be in the minority. Why did they let Snowden reveal the NSA spying program? Because you won't be scared enough  unless you know they are watching.  Why did they use the IRS to abuse their political enemies? Because they know their enemies will never be in a position to return the favor. Why is Obama picking what laws he will pick and choose to enforce?  Because he never plans to leave the office, or plans to hand it over to some other trusted puppet of his handlers. Why put all of Boston under Martial law to find one wounded teenager that a bloodhound could have located in 30 minutes? Because they expect to do the same elsewhere and often.

They have announced they have the power to kill Americans without trial on American soil, they have announced the 4th amendment is suspended within 100 miles of any border. They have militarized the police, and bought Billions of Hollowpoint bullets.  They have purged the military of freedom loving men and women and are training the rest in urban combat with civilians. They are arming local police with MRAPs and Drones, and are continuously pushing to disarm the population. 

THEY obviously don't plan on a peaceful solution, so you would be a fool to continue on as if they did.

So, I regret to inform that I will not be self-censoring. I will instead continue to say the truth. Just as Adams and Jefferson Did in the Continental congress: " when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security"

Yes, liberty is the cause that I will fight and die for.  And YES I will enjoy finally dealing out some justice to those who voted to enslave me, and deny me my rights. I wish to make those  who wanted to "fundamentally transform" our Republic into a 3rd world dictatorship suffer, and suffer greatly. We have no reason to NOT hate them as the selfish, arrogant elitist would-be aristocracy they are.

If you need me to say pretty words about my righteous cause to get you to fight this evident evil and wish for their pain and destruction, then I don't want you in my foxhole.

I am not deaf to your appeal, but its time has come and gone.

[IronDioPriest]

I can't read CHF's appeal and not wish to do a better job holding my thoughts and words up to the light of Christ in my heart.

There is so much darkness in my thoughts, and thus my words of late. I don't like it, but it is there, and it comes to the fore.

I have to be honest and say that what Pablo describes is what I truly wish. The evils to which we are forced to bear witness evoke a hatred in me that I've never known. I know I'm worse off for it, and I don't want it to rule my heart. And yet it feels righteous; justified, and therefore, hard to keep at bay. It comes out.

I sure don't want to make anyone feel unwelcome here because of an overall timbre of seething hatred. I want people to be free to express what they're feeling, me included.

But I hear CHF's appeal, and it makes me want to personally do a better job checking my emotions with the love of Christ. Whether I can succeed or not... Jesus help me.

[Weisshaupt]

I can't read CHF's appeal and not wish to do a better job holding my thoughts and words up to the light of Christ in my heart.

As Ann Barnhardt is fond of pointing out.. Christ expects you to fight and hate evil.

Then said He unto them: But now he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise a scrip: and he that hath not, let him sell his coat and buy a sword.

Its Time to buy the Swords people. Jesus didn't intend that we lay down our lives before evil as an offering, no matter how many leftist inspired sermons you may have heard to the contrary.  All of us would like to walk away and never be bothered with thinking about liberals again..and if that deal were offered,  but only if we dropped our vendettas, I am sure all of us will take it.   None of us want to fight. None of us wants to kill them if there is a way to live in peace with them that preserves our lives and liberty.  THERE ISN'T.

 I struggle with the Hate and vengeance I feel as well, and no, they do not add to my life. I don't think they are supposed to.  They are there so that I do what is necessary when the time comes.

[KittenClaws]

Perhaps I should have offered more than  two cents worth of opinion on this subject.  I have thought worse than has been posted on this site and I agree in silence more often than not.

I agree with the OP because the walls have ears - not because I am as pure as the driven snow and posses above average .  If we were not living in a George Orwell novel, I could post some wonderfully sarcastic comments that would leave no doubt about what I was thinking. 

[IronDioPriest]

...Christ expects you to fight and hate evil.

Then said He unto them: But now he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise a scrip: and he that hath not, let him sell his coat and buy a sword.

Its Time to buy the Swords people. Jesus didn't intend that we lay down our lives before evil as an offering, no matter how many leftist inspired sermons you may have heard to the contrary...

I agree. But I see the recognition of that, and the value (or lack thereof) of constantly expressing hatred as two separate things.

Nothing about recognizing the enemy, his evil deeds, or the monumental task before us requires me to be constantly expressing bitter hatred. The former is a need. The latter is a choice.

I speak for myself only, in full recognition of my own lack of self control.

[Pablo de Fleurs]

First off, kudos to ChrstnHsbndFthr for starting this. I don’t like what I’ve had to become to endure this onslaught…but am comfortable with the idea that it’s both normal AND expected of a person seeking the best for his family, liberty & private property.

Next:

Talking with these people isn't going to make them stop. Going to meetings meetings, attending  rallies and  assembling with peers  to speak before legislators will not work, anymore than going before Stalin, Pol Pot or Mao to explain liberty would work to stay their hands.

Agreed. And I know that and,

A. I have to attempt, so as to be able to say that I have done all I reasonably can do via peaceful methods and,
B. The “connections” I have made to fellow patriots with, shall we say, resources that, when pooled, allow for a better stand-off against a violent enemy as well as welcomed camaraderie (go to enough meetings and the same, well-connected/well-armed folks show up – many with better geographical knowledge than I of the literal  lay of the land)
--great link to the Barnhardt 'The One About JESUS and GUNS' article 

And,

But I hear CHF's appeal, and it makes me want to personally do a better job checking my emotions with the love of Christ. Whether I can succeed or not... Jesus help me.

I agree and will, in the spirit of CHF’s appeal seek to refrain from an overtly hateful & mocking tone (well..at least hateful, I may still mock) – or over the top suggestions such as dismemberment et al types of grisly demise of the enemy…& seek pragmatic #SecondAmendmentSolutions only: an attempt to either neutralize the “problem” or die in the attempt.

Here’s my bottom line. My kids know that I love & cherish this country’s founding ideals & notions of freedom, liberty & the origin of same…they also know I’m not the incarnation of Superman (although I still cling to mental images that I can, at moments, be such  )…what I don’t want anyone to say is that, when the time came…

…that I, in any manner, shrank from the call of duty and abandoned liberty for the sake of faux security or, worse...cowardice.

[Pablo de Fleurs]

*LEVITY INJECTION - LEVITY INJECTION - LEVITY INJECTION*
Saw this today on Twitter via Jonah Goldberg & thought: this is the media, desperately attempting to elevate the status of Dear Leader's intellect. As Lincoln once said: "You can fool some of the people all of the time..." [unraveling]

[Libertas]

You can fool some of the people all of the time..."

I thought that was PT Barnum?

Either way, both are way more successful, likable and useful than the SCoaMF!

It's no contest!

 

[Weisshaupt]

Nothing about recognizing the enemy, his evil deeds, or the monumental task before us requires me to be constantly expressing bitter hatred. The former is a need. The latter is a choice.

You will be expressing "bitter hatred" on the battle field when you spill their blood will you not?
Can you take the life of another man without loathing him first? I don't think I can - Justice is for civilized times. Morality is for civilized people. No one is moral or civilized on a battlefield.

Yes, we could choose to lie and pretend we do not feel what we feel, or fool ourselves  that its "better" or "ethical" we keep those thoughts to ourselves.   That is simply  "being civil" to an enemy that will not return the favor. The left constantly talks of wanting us dead, murdered, tortured, forced to literally eat sh*t, and it rallies them, it unifies them, and it emboldens them.  Hatred is a motivator, and don't give me the "that way lies the dark side" crap. We aren't Jedi.

 Hatred is a tool, and the left would be perfectly happy if our morals prevented us from using it- for that gives them an advantage - and they already have far too many advantages..  Our lack of protest provides them with the sanction of the victim they crave.  If we fail to express hatred for them after what they have done, they simply see us as weak.

They should know we  hate them as much as they hate us, for that emotion is the only thing that might scare these barbarians and drive them back- the idea that we may fight as ferociously and unethically as they do .

Why did Saruman beging to cut down Mirkwood.  Did he fear the anger of the trees?  No.  Why not?
And what, in the end, got the Ents moving and unified?  Anger. Pure Righteous Anger at the misdeeds done to them - when all of the rational and impassioned  pleas for Middle Earth, for  Justice, for freedom , for life fell on deaf ears? 

I assure you, Civility and Rational arguments mean nothing to our enemy , other than as a confirmation that we are not ready to tear their throats out and feed their hearts to their children. Its assurance that we are still playing the wrong game- the old game, and have not yet recognized  the rule of the jungle is in effect and we are their prey in an no rules, no ethics, no principles environment of kill or be killed.

Is expressing hatred for the enemy not recognizing the enemy for what it is?  Is it not recognizing who we are?  Do you really think we can resist and act without hating, on principle alone?
Is talking openly  about such things really going to hurt us?  Or will it have the same effect such hatred has always had on humans: Unification, singularity of purpose, the resolve to show no mercy and to do what must be done?
Does it let others know , as KittenClaws suggests,  that we are not alone in our thoughts?  Does that not make it more likely we will take action when action is needed? You think we do not need this tool when faced with an enemy that has been filled with that same hateful  blood-thirsty lust for your life?  (and they have. They do not see us as misguided, but as evil for opposing them)

Winning a war requires good men to become monsters, and only God can decide if their cause and actions were just in the end.  George Washington crossed the Delaware on the Eve of Christmas Day.  Was that moral? To attack the enemy after they made merry at Christ's Birth? To kill and slaughter them literally still  in their beds?  Do you do this to people you don't seethe with righteous anger at? As George Washington stands before God on Judgement Day,  what does God think of those actions, what does Washington think?

The high road may avail you before God,  and I do not disparage  those here who sincerely preach  their belief that we should stick to the high road for that reason.  Ann Barnhardt is treading a high road of her own.  To me,  the high road appears to be a luxury I cannot afford.  I understand that if my children are ever to know freedom, I will very likely to be called upon to act immorally , to hate, to hurt, to kill and to unfairly  judge  in order to find a victory for Freedom on this earth, hopefully with the Lord's guidance and the Lord's forgiveness when it is over. We are going to be called upon to do horrible, awful things.  Finding the ability to do them is important, and I am afraid Hate is very likely going to be a requirement in many of those cases, at least I think it will be for me.  I certainly don't want to be calling upon God for justification in the moment when I forced to chose to kill and to hurt. I know why I will be doing it in the bigger picture and hope that justifies my action in Gods eyes, may he  have mercy upon my soul.
 
 
 

[Alphabet Soup]

Funny - I thought I was self-censoring. 

[IronDioPriest]

You do whatever trips your trigger Weisshaupt - within the ToS guidelines, of course, but I know you already know that.

I'm speaking only of the burden of darkness in my own heart, and the disservice I do to my own conscience by repeatedly descending into expressing thoughts of manifest hatred. Sometimes it feels like I forget to come up for air.

I appreciate the addition to our membership of posters like oldcoastie, who reminds me that even in dark times, a cartoon or clever saying is worthy of a glance and a comment.

I appreciate ChristianHusbandFather for simply asking the question. Whether anyone chooses to look within as a result is their own business. Whether they want to share what they see when they look is also their own business.

I also appreciate you Weisshaupt. Your clarity of purpose keeps the laser-pointer on the target.

[Pandora]

There is a vast difference between hating good -- that's the Left's purview -- and hating evil.  I hate the evil that some men do, and sometimes I hate the men, too.

I can choose to speak the words or not, pick or avoid certain threads, but I cannot hide what I do not say, but think, from God .... nor, at this point, the NSA.

Let the chips fall.

[Libertas]

Don't like that darkness either IDP, but I didn't put it there and I certainly didn't ask for it. 

I remember a time not long ago when the attitude was one of "live and let live", a bit hippie-ish, but not entirely out of context with the general sentiment of most early Americans at our Founding...somewhere along the line it became OK for the Left to beat on us, disparage us, lie to us and blame us for everything bad and for everything they themselves are guilty of.  That some on our side chose to take the blows unchallenged only encouraged them to be more and more vicious in their thoughts and machinations against us.  I never asked for any of that crap, so if there is darkness within me it was not mine to begin with and I only desire to return it paid in full to those that put it there.

That's about as close as I can come to expressing it.