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Re: 2016 Races...If Anybody Cares...
« Reply #500 on: January 18, 2016, 06:09:15 PM »
AP, I can only offer one piece of advice regarding what you'll be hearing from Cruz's enemies and that is be weary of the sources and why they suddenly come to the front.
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Re: 2016 Races...If Anybody Cares...
« Reply #501 on: January 18, 2016, 10:32:05 PM »
Politics 101 - when another starts closing the gap, attack, attack, attack, not on policy but personal and family.  This must be done with 10 minutes of news your "good Friend" has gained.  Just keep in mind that if that friend does drop back by one point or more - you do become "Best Friends" again, the beat does continue - until the winner gives the loser a government job until the next election cycle when the game starts again.... ::dueling::
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Re: 2016 Races...If Anybody Cares...
« Reply #502 on: January 18, 2016, 10:39:03 PM »
My best friend flexed her beer muscles at me on New Year's Day in front of other people .... and we're not in the running in any competition that I'm aware of.

So much for "Best Friends".
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« Reply #503 on: January 18, 2016, 10:53:31 PM »
I know what you are saying, warp.
However, his voting record is there to see as well as the Goldman connection through his wife.

Even if the to do about not disclosing the loans is exaggerated, can you qualify for a $500K loan and another from Citibank?

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« Reply #504 on: January 19, 2016, 06:45:14 AM »
I know what you are saying, warp.
However, his voting record is there to see as well as the Goldman connection through his wife.

Even if the to do about not disclosing the loans is exaggerated, can you qualify for a $500K loan and another from Citibank?
Put it this way. I know conservatives that have worked for the government and yet they are conservatives through and through. These agencies they worked for are the ones we love to hate but they did their job without corruption or being corrupted by it. Perhaps his wife is just that, one that worked for GS. Eventually, someone will put the questions to her, they always do before the election although there were about a million questions Moochele never got around to be asked.
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Re: 2016 Races...If Anybody Cares...
« Reply #505 on: January 19, 2016, 09:03:05 AM »
Politicians have proven to be completely untrustworthy, warp.

Perhaps. Ted's wife is pure as the driven snow.
What are the chances she would have risen to the positions she has attained by not being part of it.

Or, why is she even in that den of vipers?

Moochelle and Barry are black and protected every which way but Sunday.
The questioners see no problem with GS because they're in on the game.

But, I'll ask again, Ted is the one running for President.
If he is such a proponent of liberty, why has he voted for so many bad things

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Re: 2016 Races...If Anybody Cares...
« Reply #506 on: January 19, 2016, 05:39:44 PM »
Ending the charade that is the GOP and sending the Establishment to the curb is about all I can work up an appetite for at this point.

We had a special election here, because one long-time Establishment jackass didn't get the GOP endorsement, I went only to cast a useless vote against him, the asshole won easily...now he goes against some DemonRat and now wtf is somebody supposed to do?  Doesn't fricken matter probably.

This crap has to end, period.
We are now where The Founders were when they faced despotism.

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Re: 2016 Races...If Anybody Cares...
« Reply #507 on: January 19, 2016, 05:48:21 PM »
We are now where The Founders were when they faced despotism.

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« Reply #508 on: January 19, 2016, 06:18:08 PM »
I was surprised but she has made other goofy endorsements.

I've liked Sarah but don't find her as constitutionally principled as I thought she was

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Re: 2016 Races...If Anybody Cares...
« Reply #509 on: January 22, 2016, 08:03:46 AM »
http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2016/01/22/do-emotions-trump-facts-n2108178/page/full

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Today's big puzzle is how so many otherwise rational people have become enamored of Donald Trump, projecting onto him virtues and principles that he clearly does not have, and ignoring gross defects that are all too blatant.

There was a time when someone who publicly mocked a handicapped man would have told us all we needed to know about his character, and his political fling would have been over. But that was before we became a society where common decency is optional.

Yet there are even a few people with strong conservative principles who have lined up with this man, whose history has demonstrated no principles at all, other than an ability to make self-serving deals, and who has shown what Thorstein Veblen once called "a versatility of convictions."


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Re: 2016 Races...If Anybody Cares...
« Reply #510 on: January 22, 2016, 09:18:04 AM »
Today's bigger puzzle.  How many writing tripe such as the above hate Cruz even more?

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« Reply #511 on: January 22, 2016, 12:28:45 PM »
Today's bigger puzzle.  How many writing tripe such as the above hate Cruz even more?

What Thomas Sowell writes is rarely "tripe"  - and the article somewhat suggests Sowell likes Cruz..  but he himself will tell you that politicians are package deals. You have to take  everything they offer you.
But I think Sowell is correct on this one - Donald Trump does not have a record that suggests he has convictions.

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What kind of deals would Donald Trump make? He has already praised the Supreme Court's decision in "Kelo v. City of New London" which said that the government can seize private property to turn it over to another private party.

That kind of decision is good for an operator like Donald Trump. Doubtless other decisions that he would make as president would also be good for Donald Trump, even if for nobody else.
 

And that is the point - Trump is a operator. He is good at playing a corrupt game of crony capitalism that most of us would like to see stop. He will not be the man to stop it. He probably will change how the game is played in hilarious and satisfying ways,  that will just go back to what they were when Trump leaves.   Eight years ago he agreed with nearly everything that fell from a Liberal Democrat's mouth..and had the Clintons at his wedding.  That isn't to say Trump is a liberal - it  is to say his principles  are likely to change based on what he perceives as being advantageous to him at a given moment , because that is what he has done in the past.  His  stints on reality TV prove he is a very capable of projecting the image he wants others to see, and very intuitive about saying what others want or  need to hear .  I don't think he is a evil man, or even a bad one, nor do I think he would be a bad  President all told. He is, however,  not going to change or fix a damn thing, and his actions will not be motivated by principle or love of country, but by what he perceives as advantageous to him at that time. He does on occasion perceive popularity to be advantageous , so popular ideas may be enacted.. however a quick look at history will reveal that "popular" is not synonymous with "good" or "wise".  Yes, I am sure I will be entertained, because he is an entertainer,  but he will serve to distract from , not solve, the problems facing us. But then, I believe those problems are beyond the point of no return, so at this point, what difference does it make?  There isn't a problem solver in the bunch, except perhaps Cruz, but as you alluded to, he has his own issues.

I can't vote for this man, not even to defeat Bernie or Hillary.  In fact if they win they are likely to overreach further, drive the deficit faster, go police state too early-- those who are waiting for the inevitable conflict to begin  are more likely to get it sooner if Trump looses. Sorry folks, but for the first time in my life, I am sitting this one out and putting in a write in.
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« Reply #512 on: January 22, 2016, 03:02:34 PM »
quoting Weisshaupt; I am sitting this one out and putting in a write in.  

Don't know yet if I'll sit this one out.  I tried the 3rd candidate with Ross Perot and look where that got us.
I have never have wanted Trump, because I trust him as far as I can throw a baby elephant to the moon.
Right now my first consideration is Cruz, but if I were to go the write in route again, it might be Rand Paul.  And yes that's a long shot, but I think he has less baggage than any of those remaining.  Another write in might be Gov. Walker of Wisconsin, and that 's a very, very long shot, and undoubtedly a wasted vote.  The one thing I do believe is, we better get behind someone very soon or the socialist may get in and that will be the end of life as we know [or knew]it.  Sadly I've had to many elections where I cast my vote because I was against someone, and very few where I was for someone, and to me that is a sad state to be in, we sorely need true 'Statesman' instead of the politicians we have had, IMO ::whatgives::
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Re: 2016 Races...If Anybody Cares...
« Reply #513 on: January 22, 2016, 07:56:01 PM »
The office itself is immaterial, in latter day America if you are looking for a perfect candidate who will ride in on a white horse and undo all that is wrong and reinstitute that which is right and we can all live happily ever after is the biggest folly of them all.

We should only be interested in ending the fraud that is the GOP, an opposition party that is anything but and which serves only to enable the hardcore progressives.  Participating in this charade should be entered into with no hope of a restoration of liberty in effect or influence in outcome.  Instead any participation in this corrupt perverted system should have as its only aim to disrupt said perversion.  How best to do that is up to you.

First and foremost our top priority should be looking beyond this abberation because it has a certain expiration date, and plan and act accordingly.
We are now where The Founders were when they faced despotism.

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Re: 2016 Races...If Anybody Cares...
« Reply #515 on: January 23, 2016, 11:24:02 AM »
http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2016/01/23/do-emotions-trump-facts-part-ii-n2108185/page/full

Part II

Yep. I reached saturation with two weeks of a constant barrage of invectives aimed at the two frontrunners. They've convinced me - we do not have suitable candidates for the job. Let's just settle back and see what kind of job the hildebeast does with what's left of out nation.

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« Reply #516 on: January 24, 2016, 11:18:55 PM »
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2581329

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In one of my first conversations at the Radisson, with two Republican activists, I asked a simple what's-up question about Trump. Both immediately responded in exactly the same way: "I don't know anybody who supports him." They're politically active and aware, but they said they have no contact in their daily lives with even a single person who supports their party's front-runner.

After that conversation, I began to ask everyone I met: Do you know anyone who supports Donald Trump? In more cases than not — actually, in nearly all the cases — the answer was no. I asked one woman Friday night, and she said she hadn't thought about it. I ran into her the next morning at breakfast, and she said, "That was a good question you asked me last night, and I've given it some thought." And no, she didn't know any Trump supporters.

eGOP establishment completely clueless about what is going on. Check

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An exception: I talked to two party officials, one county and one regional, who said they knew a lot of Trump supporters. "They're not Republicans," one told me, explaining at length that the Trump fans she knows are inexplicably devoted to him — unfazed by Trump's lack of policy specifics or any of his controversial statements. The two officials described having conversations and asking which candidate a voter supports, whereupon the voter quickly glanced left and right, to see if it was OK to talk, and then said, "Trump." That happens a lot, they told me.

Well no, they aren't republicans. How many people here are willing to identify as such now? Conservative yes.  Republican? No I don't want to give legitimacy to  a party of traitors who help the enemy at every opportunity.  But Trump is fundamentally a pick by the Democrats to pretend to be and outsider running as a republican in an attempt to steer the popular anger and resentment toward a candidate who won't change the Status quo or overturn the recent  Liberal advances. So yes, trump is doing his best to be that something different that will change nothing.  That candidate leading in the polls.  Check.


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The big worry among such Republicans is that there is a Trump movement out there that they can't see. "That's how we got burned by Obama," the politico said, recalling the 2008 race in which the Obama campaign used technology and social media to build a level of support that escaped the notice of Republicans stuck in an earlier era of campaigning. Today, clued-in Republicans know and respect Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski, who goes way back in New Hampshire. Corey's good on data and technology, they told me. They wonder if he's got something up his sleeve, and they just don't see it yet.


eGOP still easily broadsided ( probably by design)  by better campaigns. Check.

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I talked to a Republican political operative who has done a lot of work in New Hampshire. He has done so much work, in fact, that he knows many of the streets throughout the state by heart, and knows which houses display candidates' political signs at primary time and which don't.

He described driving down a street on the west side of Manchester, checking out the houses. He noticed Trump signs in front of houses that he knew had never displayed signs before. Seeing that, he began to think that all the talk about Trump appealing to a different kind of voter might be true.

Clueless morons who have just now  woken up just enough to sense something is very, very, wrong voting for Trump. Check.

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The operative recalled how previous candidates had wined and dined McQuaid, kissed his ring, done the whole fawning routine in hopes of winning the paper's endorsement. And when McQuaid didn't give it to them they ... kept mouths shut. Deep inside, they wanted to say to McQuaid the kinds of things Trump actually said, but they didn't have the wherewithal to do it. Truth be told, the operative found Trump's reaction pretty hilarious.

Propaganda bolstering Trumps status as an outsider of the eGOP , the Democratic party and the politcal elite instead of a man handpicked by the Statist cabal  that runs both major parties.  Check.

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Perhaps the most fundamental reason veteran Republicans can't quite get their heads around the Trump phenomenon is that, if it is real, it would say something about their state that they don't quite understand.

They noted the Republicans who have won the New Hampshire primary in recent years: Romney, John McCain, George W. Bush. (It's been 20 years since 'Pitchfork Pat' Buchanan won the 1996 GOP primary.) For Trump to really be on the verge of victory, wouldn't that mean the state of New Hampshire somehow had a total political personality transplant in the four years since Romney's victory? Is that really possible? Has New Hampshire returned to older times, or taken a turn in some unknown new direction?

Like everything else, they don't know.

"I don't understand it," yet another of those Republicans who doesn't know any Trump supporters told me as I got ready to leave the First-in-the-Nation gathering. "It doesn't make logical sense."

Because logically they have to vote for whatever stooge we put up, otherwise a Democrat will be elected. No one liked Romney. No one was excited  by Mcain. No one really wanted yet another Bush.  The based  voted to keep the Democrats out.. not because they liked the crap candidates the eGOP produced..those in the eGOP just  don't understand that their  base now vehemently wants the eGOP to die a horrific death and are willing to vote for a guy like Trump ( or not at all)  to prove it . Check.

Meanwhile, at instapundit
http://poll.pollcode.com/83539812_result?v

Their poll has Cruz at 57%



 
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Re: 2016 Races...If Anybody Cares...
« Reply #517 on: January 25, 2016, 05:23:39 PM »
From IMAO

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“Stop pretending there are smart people we can elect who will actually fix things. Vote for Trump.”

“Admit it’s a broken system and vote for a broken person. Elect Trump.”

“SMOD has abandoned you. Vote Trump.”


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Re: 2016 Races...If Anybody Cares...
« Reply #518 on: January 25, 2016, 08:35:43 PM »
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“Stop pretending there are smart people we can elect who will actually fix things. Vote for Trump.”

“Admit it’s a broken system and vote for a broken person. Elect Trump.”

“SMOD has abandoned you. Vote Trump.”



"SMOD doesn't really care about you"

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Re: 2016 Races...If Anybody Cares...
« Reply #519 on: January 27, 2016, 07:40:57 AM »
SMOD at least is the most honest and the most non-discriminatory.   :D
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