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Re: 2016 Races...If Anybody Cares...
« Reply #560 on: February 24, 2016, 01:29:12 PM »
Thanks for that, Pan.
There definitely were some idiots.
And I agree about the Trumpettes/Trumpkins...

At least the Paul supporters had a principled basis to argue from but the Trump supporters are taken in by the PT Barnum/Pied Piper Trump show

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« Reply #561 on: February 24, 2016, 01:41:52 PM »
I dunno, AP; I tend to believe they're less taken in than that in Trump they see a murder weapon with the eGOP and even the Dems as the deserving "victims".  Mayhap in that they ARE 'taken in', if Trump deals rather than Trump, Smash.
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« Reply #562 on: February 24, 2016, 01:58:38 PM »
  I see the establishment of both sides not wanting to play nice with Trump. If he wins he will have to drag them all kicking and screaming all the way.
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« Reply #563 on: February 24, 2016, 03:12:01 PM »
I see, at best, a northeastern republican.

Since he's never shared his Road to Damascus moment, I suspect his rhetoric is one of expediency.

He will be the Great Compromiser to make deals and that may lead to further erosion of our rights

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« Reply #564 on: February 24, 2016, 03:37:34 PM »
I see, at best, a northeastern republican.

Since he's never shared his Road to Damascus moment, I suspect his rhetoric is one of expediency.

He will be the Great Compromiser to make deals and that may lead to further erosion of our rights

   If nothing else the budget is his strong suit as is immigration.
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« Reply #565 on: February 24, 2016, 03:45:06 PM »
Maybe, John.

His immigration rhetoric is strong.
But he readily admits to using illegals.

Not sure I put a lot of stock in what he says.

Haven't seen much on his budget positions, except, maybe, cutting 2% or something.

What could possibly be a strong point is he might go after the departments like a businessman and cut some waste.

He's certainly not a big private property guy since he believes in eminent domain for private use

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« Reply #566 on: February 24, 2016, 03:55:08 PM »
I see, at best, a northeastern republican.

Since he's never shared his Road to Damascus moment, I suspect his rhetoric is one of expediency.

He will be the Great Compromiser to make deals and that may lead to further erosion of our rights

   If nothing else the budget is his strong suit as is immigration.


Which is why I'm to the point of saying..."why the hell not Donald Trump". The place is in the toilet socially. We have lost. Defeated. If in some miracle he could actually stop illegal immigration and right the budget, maybe we can squeeze out a few more years before I actually need to defend myself.

If not, we are screwed anyway. It really won't matter who blames whom, who is in charge, I really won't get any satisfaction stating "I told you so". What will be the point. I feel fortunate that I actually have a plan when the chit hits the fan. I can't do much else.

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« Reply #567 on: February 24, 2016, 04:08:41 PM »
I see, at best, a northeastern republican.

Since he's never shared his Road to Damascus moment, I suspect his rhetoric is one of expediency.

He will be the Great Compromiser to make deals and that may lead to further erosion of our rights

   If nothing else the budget is his strong suit as is immigration.


Which is why I'm to the point of saying..."why the hell not Donald Trump". The place is in the toilet socially. We have lost. Defeated. If in some miracle he could actually stop illegal immigration and right the budget, maybe we can squeeze out a few more years before I actually need to defend myself.

If not, we are screwed anyway. It really won't matter who blames whom, who is in charge, I really won't get any satisfaction stating "I told you so". What will be the point. I feel fortunate that I actually have a plan when the chit hits the fan. I can't do much else.




Exactly.  And I echo what Pan said about seeing Trump as the murder weapon.  We were good soldiers, we got the GOP congressional shifts of historic proportions.  We won them huge gains in state governorships and legislatures.  In return all we have received is derision, scorn, and not even the pretense of enacting our agenda.  So eff 'em. 

I am past the point of seriously believing in the possibility of political solutions, but maybe with Trump there's at least a chance he'll be something other than DC business as usual.  He may be a pandering populist, but some of that populism would be well received if he actually saw it through, and by that I mean immigration.  If we don't halt the demographic takeover of this country -- deliberately engineered by the Left and abetted by the Chamber of Crony Commerce cheap labor cohort -- then debates over conservative purity are moot.
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Re: 2016 Races...If Anybody Cares...
« Reply #568 on: February 24, 2016, 07:40:06 PM »
  I'm good with setting fire to DC and if it takes Trump to do it then so be it! Do I like the man....hell no!! But I haven't had anybody to like in a long time.
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« Reply #569 on: February 25, 2016, 12:24:08 AM »
  If we don't halt the demographic takeover of this country -- deliberately engineered by the Left and abetted by the Chamber of Crony Commerce cheap labor cohort -- then debates over conservative purity are moot.

How many of these people are going to stay when there is no free cheese and the race/civil war begins in earnest?  They can get tat where they came from, and at least they have family and relative there.  Demographics  change fast in a war zone.


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« Reply #570 on: February 25, 2016, 07:42:04 AM »
I see, at best, a northeastern republican.

Since he's never shared his Road to Damascus moment, I suspect his rhetoric is one of expediency.

He will be the Great Compromiser to make deals and that may lead to further erosion of our rights

   If nothing else the budget is his strong suit as is immigration.


Which is why I'm to the point of saying..."why the hell not Donald Trump". The place is in the toilet socially. We have lost. Defeated. If in some miracle he could actually stop illegal immigration and right the budget, maybe we can squeeze out a few more years before I actually need to defend myself.

If not, we are screwed anyway. It really won't matter who blames whom, who is in charge, I really won't get any satisfaction stating "I told you so". What will be the point. I feel fortunate that I actually have a plan when the chit hits the fan. I can't do much else.




Exactly.  And I echo what Pan said about seeing Trump as the murder weapon.  We were good soldiers, we got the GOP congressional shifts of historic proportions.  We won them huge gains in state governorships and legislatures.  In return all we have received is derision, scorn, and not even the pretense of enacting our agenda.  So eff 'em. 

I am past the point of seriously believing in the possibility of political solutions, but maybe with Trump there's at least a chance he'll be something other than DC business as usual.  He may be a pandering populist, but some of that populism would be well received if he actually saw it through, and by that I mean immigration.  If we don't halt the demographic takeover of this country -- deliberately engineered by the Left and abetted by the Chamber of Crony Commerce cheap labor cohort -- then debates over conservative purity are moot.

Pretty much where I am.  Whatever destroys the sham that is the GOP is a good thing, I don't really care what the implement is.  And I say I don't particularly GAFF about the general election only in that at that point it really doesn't matter.  The GOP has strung us along for decades...as soon as Reagan left and their boy HW got in they knew the Revolution was over.  And now after dozens...hundreds of betrayals...their empty pandering and lies have bore fruit they don't like.  Well too effing bad.  I don't GAFF if Trump is a democrat, I don't GAFF if he is the son of the devil...if he helps end the GOP its all fine with me, they deserve it.  GAFF about who gets to be the next POTUS gets me about as excited as GAFF about who is the next Kardashian boy toy...in the scheme of my life and my plans they don't matter a whit.
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Re: 2016 Races...If Anybody Cares...
« Reply #571 on: February 25, 2016, 07:49:09 AM »
Thanks for that, Pan.
There definitely were some idiots.
And I agree about the Trumpettes/Trumpkins...

At least the Paul supporters had a principled basis to argue from but the Trump supporters are taken in by the PT Barnum/Pied Piper Trump show

Don't be deceived, there has always been a populist quasi-religious inflexibility born of a true cult of personality surrounding Paul, and his most devout disciples are the PaulBots.  For every good and principled position their Saint has (mostly on economic issues) he has just as many moonbat positions in harmony with the likes of Code Pink, OWS and Art Bell.  And in Trump they see someone who can exact revenge upon the GOP and upon the nation for effing over their Saint for so many decades.  They love Trumps populism, they love his blunt talk, and they really love that he drives people in both major parties and the media effing nuts.  This is about revenge as much as anything.  Go over to ZeroHedge, anybody saying the slightest criticism of Trump is eviscerated, it's just like someone attacked Saint Paul.
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« Reply #572 on: February 25, 2016, 02:18:04 PM »
"Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer." - Mark Twain

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« Reply #573 on: February 25, 2016, 02:55:19 PM »
They love Trumps populism, they love his blunt talk, and they really love that he drives people in both major parties and the media effing nuts. 

Hell, I love that about him, too. But that's not enough for me to vote for him.
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Re: 2016 Races...If Anybody Cares...
« Reply #574 on: February 25, 2016, 03:17:41 PM »
Thanks, Pan, but I've ignored Rush for years

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« Reply #575 on: February 25, 2016, 04:13:33 PM »
Suit yourself, but you are missing out if you refuse to read the transcript.  I'm serious.  He's not shilling for anyone, he's explaining why we're mad as hell and not taking it anymore.
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« Reply #576 on: February 25, 2016, 06:52:48 PM »
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« Reply #577 on: February 25, 2016, 10:21:00 PM »
I am TRYING not to make definitive statements that box me in. I AM dissatisfied with Trump and Rubio. I have not decided that I must vote against them at all costs, but I have not decided I can vote for them if they are the GOP alternative to the admitted socialist or the one who lies about being a socialist, while stealing all she can for herself.

Please, God, grant us a better choice. We are duly punished, and I for one repent and pray forgiveness for my country. Let this be over, please.
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« Reply #578 on: February 26, 2016, 05:24:04 AM »
Moses had his doubters as well and he came through. I pray Cruz will get the nod and deliver his promises
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« Reply #579 on: February 26, 2016, 07:51:56 AM »
Cruz is cooked, the E-GOP hate him more than Trump and can control Rubio more than Trump.  It's Rubio, Trump or a protest vote...those are your choices and nothing short of an Old Testament miracle is going to alter that reality.  Get used to it.

As for the Rush piece...

From the link -

The final battle over the soul of the nation...

But if you believe in a certain cultural America, it's under siege.  There's nothing to join with on the other side in preserving it.  They want to tear it down, transform it, and rebuild it.  They have to be defeated.  This is why the Republican Party's worthless.  They don't even think this way. 
The Republican Party's thinking about showing they can work together, they can cooperate, make Washington work.  Sorry; we're so past that, we're so far past that, it's irrelevant.  We're talking about holding on and preserving the country as founded.  And it's gonna be really, really hard. 

The second thing is, "Rush," -- and this is not just you -- "Rush, we can't deport 12 million people.  We're never gonna --" Who says?  All that is is a conversation stopper.  We are the United States of America.  Who says we can't get rid of people who are here illegally?  It's not a question of we can't.  It's a question of do we have the resolve to?


And then later on talking about the HW betrayal...

But it was just four short years later and here comes Bill and Hillary Clinton.  And why?  Because the next president got rid of Reaganism.  The next president started making deals with the Democrats to show that we can do deals, to show that we're nice guys, to show that we can get along.  My point is, we had the greatest economic circumstances in our lifetimes and the Democrats were not interested, Pam.  They didn't want to participate, because it left them out of power. 

Running the same outdated E-GOP playbook...

We don't have time to get around to what we want to advance.  We're too busy stopping.  They're not talking about stopping anything.  They're on the march! They're on the march and succeeding with things that ten years ago you would have never thought would ever happen.

How many of us are fed up...

They're frustrated; they're ticked off; they're angry.  They want to do more than just stop something every day.  They're tired of being overrun.  They're tired of not having allies in the centers of power where this stuff can be stopped.

And the closing basically asks the question of "who?"...

We're gonna need people with such backbone and guts and steel and iron to hold up and to withstand what's gonna come at 'em, you can't even imagine it.  But it's what's gonna happen.

So, who fits that bill, eh?

It's a good rant, vintage Rush...and he's spot on through 99% of it...

But, getting back to the central points in it all...I don't see enough numbers let alone the strength of spine required in the current mix of liberty-minded participants that would enable us to effect the kind of political force that can start the rollback on the illegals issue let alone all the other issues and keep up the fight against hard Progs in the DemonRat camp and the soft Progs in the E-GOP camp and sustaining it for decades, which is what it probably will take.

God Bless Rush, I admire his optimism and spirit but realistically when you survey the landscape, tally the numbers and measure the leadership...I don't know how you get there with this.
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