Topic: Cheney's Assassination Squad Take Out bin Laden

[BigAlSouth]

Let me first say up front that OBL deserved to die without a trial, without representation by government paid Leftist lawyers, without necessary delays or appeals of any judicial verdict of death, without the government paying for his room and halal meals for the ten or twelve years that the case would wind through the legal system.

This is exactly what "Seal Team Six" (hereinafter "STS"), also known affectionately as "Cheney's Death Squad" feared. Whether following orders from the White House, or acting within their loosely defined Rules of Engagement, members of the United States military entered the compound of OSB with the intent to kill. Not "Kill or Capture", but to terminate OBL "with extreme prejudice."

At last count, there have been at least 26 corrections to the timeline or the facts regarding "Operation Geronimo." As a student of politics and the military, the most interesting correction regarded the prior statement that the group of suits, spooks and military in the Situation Room were watching a live feed in real time of the operation as it unfolded.  See: http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/05/good-grief-now-the-cia-admits-there-was-no-live-video-feed-during-osama-raid/

   Leon Panetta, director of the CIA, revealed there was a 25 minute blackout during which the live feed from cameras mounted on the helmets of the US special forces was cut off.

    A photograph released by the White House appeared to show the President and his aides in the situation room watching the action as it unfolded. In fact they had little knowledge of what was happening in the compound.

    Mr Panetta said: “Once those teams went into the compound I can tell you that there was a time period of almost 20 or 25 minutes where we really didn’t know just exactly what was going on. And there were some very tense moments as we were waiting for information.

If you are a member of an elite team tasked with the termination of America's Number One Enemy, why would you want a live feed of the operation beamed back to the White House? This, in light of the fact that the White House has not been very kind in its treatment of your brothers-in-arms thrown under the bus in the Global War on Terror. (See: Seal Charged with Assault http://www.foxnews.com/world/2009/11/25/navy-seals-face-assault-charges-capturing-wanted-terrorist/ )

The White House and NSA Boob John Brennan were quick to inform the media that the brave seals encountered resistance from OBL's bodyguards. Now, after some backtracking, Jay Carney says the STS met armed resistance from two bodyguards who were in the Guest house on the ground floor. There was not another shot fired by anyone inside the compound, other than the STS.  When the Team reached the third floor where OBL was sleeping, the first reports stated that he was killed "while resisting." Although not an independent witness without obvious bias, OBL's daughter claims that the STS members shot him in front of the family and then dragged his body off to a helicopter. Now answer me this: Is this the kind of action the STS would want to be sent back to the Situation Room via live feed. Not no, HELL NO!

The STS members had to be aware of the ramifications of video tape. After all, the CIA officers who utilized harsh (but proper and legal) interrogation techniques on detainees at GITMO were almost punished for destroying tape of the interrogations. The "interruption" of the live feed from multiple helmet cams to the Situation Room in the White House for the critical twenty-five minute period was not an accident. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1328402/CIA-punished-destroying-tapes-waterboarding-interrogations.html

The only legitimate question that remains to be answered is whether the White House or command on the ground limited the mission to "Kill on Sight" rather than "Kill or Capture." I believe the question must be answered in the light that protects the STS. I believe that the command on the ground cut the link to the live feed to the White House, and ordered the STS to terminate OBL with "Extreme Prejudice."

I have no problem with that.


See also: http://www.bookwormroom.com/2011/05/04/the-navy-seals-were-great-its-the-white-house-thats-bungling-the-operation/#comments

[Libertas]

"I have no problem with that."

Amen!  Results matter, not micromanaging and critiquing every action those in harms way have to contend with.  Certain facts should remain secret so as to not expose methods/sources et al.

[Sectionhand]

I agree with all of the above . There were more questions this morning among news pundits regarding the chain of events during the approximately forty minutes of the operation . The idea that a firefight lasted forty minutes is absurd . What little shooting which took place would have ocurred within the first ten minutes . The rest of the time , thirty minutes or so would have been spent securing found intel and egressing the area .

I hate it when amateurs try to analyze situations like this .

[LadyVirginia]

 

Children pretending to be adults. 

[Libertas]

Or maybe toddlers pretending to be children...

 

And SH has it right.  And oh jeez, did they have to shoot their fat mouth off about hitting the mother lode of intel?  The other cells may have assumed certain information had been compromised and changed locations/contacts etc anyway...but such a retarded statement could very well make a trail go colder quicker than it would have been otherwise.

Fricken amateurs!

 

[LadyVirginia]

Fricken amateurs!

 

I've said it a thousand times I HATE that the WH makes me feel like I could do a better job!

I want to feel like my "leaders" have their sht together.

...I guess I'm destined to be disappointed...

[radioman]

Or, there was nothing and they just wanted to rattle 'em, and who knows, they may make a mistake in the proccess.

[charlesoakwood]

I agree with all of the above . There were more questions this morning among news pundits regarding the chain of events during the approximately forty minutes of the operation . The idea that a firefight lasted forty minutes is absurd . What little shooting which took place would have ocurred within the first ten minutes . The rest of the time , thirty minutes or so would have been spent securing found intel and egressing the area .

I hate it when amateurs try to analyze situations like this .

If the administration had not been so eager to stick its thumbs under their lapels
there would be no contradictory information and no controversy.  

[tjking]

Good stuff AL.

I found this scorecard listing numerous flips and retractions on the official timeline.

Usually when governments use misinformation, they use it to make themselves look good.  The Obama Administration gets points for originality, insofar as it’s been using disinformation and misinformation to make itself look arbitrary, unlawful, helpless and stupid.  Here’s jj’s great summary:

    Okay, what do we have here:

    1) There was a firefight.
    2) There was no firefight.
    3) Bin Laden was “resisting.”
    4) Bin Laden wasn’t armed.  (Makes the concept of “resisting” interesting.)
    [4.a) And the newest one: the SEALS thought bin Laden was reaching for a weapon.]
    5) He used his wife as a shield.
    6) His wife was killed too.
    7) He didn’t use his wife as a shield.  She ran at a SEAL who shot her in the leg, but she’s fine.
    8 ) Some other woman — the maid? — was used as a shield.  By somebody.  Downstairs.
    9) That other woman — downstairs — was killed.
    10) Maybe not.  She was killed unless she wasn’t — and who was she, anyway?
    11) Bin Laden’s son was killed.
    12) Unless it was some other guy.
    13) Bin Laden’s daughter saw him get killed.  She’s undoubtedly traumatized, poor dear.
    14) They were going to capture Bin Laden until the problem with the helicopter, which was:

    A) It had mechanical trouble
    B) It did a hard landing
    C) It crashed
    D) It clipped a wall with a tail rotor, effectively a crash

    15.) They were never going to try to capture him; it was always a kill mission.
    16.) No, it wasn’t.
    17) The chopper blew up.
    18) The SEALs blew it up.
    19.) Panetta said yesterday the world needed proof and the photo would be released.
    20.) Obama said today in an interview he taped with Steve Kroft for “60 Minutes” to be broadcast Sunday that it won’t be released.  It’s too gruesome, would offend Muslim sensibilities (something he worries about a lot — I personally do not give a warm fart on a wet Wednesday about Muslim sensibilities), and how would Americans feel if Muslims released pictures of dead Americans?
    21.) Kroft — who’s not a total idiot — pointed out that ever since “Black Hawk Down” days, Muslims have been doing precisely that, filming American bodies being dragged through the streets, filming Daniel Pearl’s head being cut off, filming any and everything.
    22) Obama gets pissed at CBS, the tape gets cleaned up, that question disappears. (Inside info.)
    23.) We got a “treasure trove” of stuff from hard drives, etc.
    24.) There were no phone lines, and no internet access at the “mansion,” they didn’t even have TV — what “treasure trove?”
    25.) There is obviously in the pictures of the place a large satellite dish.  I guess they used it for making salads.
    26.) And now, just today: apparently the idea was to capture him, but only if he was naked.  There was a suspicion he might be wearing a suicide bomber type explosive vest, or belt.  So if he’s not naked and you can’t see if he has a vest on or not – shoot him.

    The idiot Carney — they actually managed to find someone who makes Gibbs look good — is currently twisting himself into knots trying to explain why the photograph that the whole world was expecting isn’t going to be released.  (Obviously the thing to do is get Trump on the case, he’ll force Obama to release it.)

    The military did great, the administration — or whatever that bunch is, kind of like “The Little Rascals” — have managed to turn it into spaghetti.  The story has changed so many times in the course of a mere three days it’s a joke — the world would be better off if Panetta had left the little sh*twit on the golf course.

Cross-posted at Right Wing News

UPDATE:  I’m hearing a lot from people who think “there’s something wrong here” — and certainly jj’s witty and wonderful summary shows that there is indeed something deeply wrong.  Here’s my take on the matter:

I have no doubt that OBL is dead.  I also have no doubt but that, for reasons known only to itself, the Obama Administration is making its best effort to confuse the story so badly that people will doubt this ultimate truth.

When people say “something is wrong here,” they’re sort of right.  The “here” in which the wrongness resides isn’t this specific news story.  Instead, it’s an overarching pathology that we’re talking about.

That is, the SEALS did what they did.  What’s driving everyone bonkers is that this administration is incapable of being straightforward.  Serpentine deceit is its MO, regardless of the topic, whether birth certificates, health care debates, or sanctioned assassinations.  Everything is wrapped in a web of lies and confusion because of the paranoia, personality disorders, narcissism, and sociopathy that walk the White House halls.

UPDATE II:  At Gateway Pundit (which gave me a link, so thank you very much), I learned that the video feed wasn’t working, so that the now iconic picture of Obama hiding in the back of the Situation Room while everyone stares at the monitor is — well, another mystery to add to jj’s list.

Over at Free Republic, though, someone has the right idea about that picture:

http://www.bookwormroom.com/2011/05/04/the-obama-administrations-cloud-of-confusion-explained/

[Libertas]

Heh, as always, good stuff TJ!

[Pandora]

What are those things on their heads supposed to be?

[Sectionhand]

What are those things on their heads supposed to be?

Intergalactic Spermatazoa .   

[Pandora]

What are those things on their heads supposed to be?

Intergalactic Spermatazoa .   

Aaaand you'd know that .... how?

[Sectionhand]

What are those things on their heads supposed to be?

Intergalactic Spermatazoa .   

Aaaand you'd know that .... how?

How else ? ... I heard it on Coast To Coast !

[Pandora]

What are those things on their heads supposed to be?

Intergalactic Spermatazoa .   

Aaaand you'd know that .... how?

How else ? ... I heard it on Coast To Coast !

 

Nicely played, SH.

[BigAlSouth]

I saw it on the radio . . .

[Predator Don]

Hell, If I'm in STS, understanding this administration treated CIA operatives, doing thier job, as criminals....I'm cutting the feed myself. No way I want any proof of, what some(liberals) may consider, wrongdoing.

Hopefully, one day they will collectively write a book.

[Glock32]

I was wondering about the technical details of the feed when I first read that they were watching live in Washington. I wonder how it works. If I were to wager a guess I'd say it's transmitted to a fairly close relay (one of the helicopters or unmanned drones maybe?) and from there beamed to satellite. If, on the other hand, they actually carry man-portable transmission equipment capable of uplinking directly to a satellite and can do so from inside multi-level concrete structures, then that's pretty freakin impressive.

[Libertas]

Ahh, good stuff!

Gotta check out these other pics though...

I almost wet my pants!!!

           

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2715208/posts

[Libertas]

I was wondering about the technical details of the feed when I first read that they were watching live in Washington. I wonder how it works. If I were to wager a guess I'd say it's transmitted to a fairly close relay (one of the helicopters or unmanned drones maybe?) and from there beamed to satellite. If, on the other hand, they actually carry man-portable transmission equipment capable of uplinking directly to a satellite and can do so from inside multi-level concrete structures, then that's pretty freakin impressive.

But Panetta said there was some off-air time, presumably at point of ingress, but remote viewing from drones was probably picked up until on-site transmission may have resumed.  Sometimes heavily reinforced concrete can cause havoc on even the best equipment.  Just speculating though...