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Re: 2018 and 2020 could have lots of fireworks
« Reply #1100 on: December 28, 2020, 09:12:51 AM »
I was at a private meeting on Saturday -- all the usuals were there (see them @ rallies, protests, etc). This one was in a restaurant with several great speakers & a Zoom meeting with lawyer David Jose. The meeting took place in a restaurant that, like the gym owner who spoke, has turned in his LLC for a PMA (Private Membership Association).
You notify the state that, under the 1st & 14th Amendments, you are no longer "open to the public", but are a private association with membership fees (non-taxable). Those fees just happen to include everything your business sells, vends or supplies --  included in the fee (imagine a golf club where the greens fees & meals are included in the membership dues).

Under the First and Fourteenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution and equivalent provisions of your State Constitution, you have the right to associate with fellow members and offer benefits and services that are outside of the jurisdiction, venue and authority of State and/or Federal agencies. What could come under scrutiny and in some cases be considered a criminal act outside the association can be perfectly legal within the protection of a private association.

I know several gym owners who've gone this route. No compliance with state regs necessary -- including the need to wear masks -- AND the state gets zero revenue from your "association" -- because you've taken it from the public domain to the private.


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Re: 2018 and 2020 could have lots of fireworks
« Reply #1101 on: December 28, 2020, 09:41:01 AM »
Good!  I encourage more opting out efforts.  I will look into this in my state, being as communist as it is I may not be surprised what I find, but the path is noble...sure it will only be when not if statists try to intervene, but such an act will have served a purpose as well, and good luck keeping its import from good people!

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Re: 2018 and 2020 could have lots of fireworks
« Reply #1102 on: December 28, 2020, 10:23:31 AM »
...sure it will only be when not if statists try to intervene,

When statists intervene . . . . they'll soon learn about your private, noose-making association -- and the special of the day is that  interveners get a free sample!
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Re: 2018 and 2020 could have lots of fireworks
« Reply #1103 on: December 28, 2020, 10:34:43 AM »
Perfect example -- just saw this headline 30 seconds ago::

NJ cops bust warehouse party packed with 200 people breaking coronavirus restrictions

Had the women, literally, formed a Private Drinking PMA, the "restrictions" would not have applied or been enforceable. As long as no one was there "deliberately attempting" to spread COVID & thus presenting an imminent, clear and present danger ... the cops, state & feds would have zero jurisdiction.

It can't be a "verbal" association only - members must sign a document - that can cover a variety of things: waivers, health certifications, general welfare clauses, monetary considerations, etc.
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Re: 2018 and 2020 could have lots of fireworks
« Reply #1104 on: December 28, 2020, 11:06:26 AM »
As far as I can tell Minnesota doesn't seem to have anything specific regarding PMA's on the books, but there could be a catch-22 I am not aware of...typically something not covered is allowed until challenged and case law established...so could be virgin ground here.
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Re: 2018 and 2020 could have lots of fireworks
« Reply #1105 on: December 28, 2020, 11:25:03 AM »
More despots identified...this time in Beverly Hills...proving what the  "ass" in no-class is...

https://deadline.com/2020/12/beverly-hills-officials-shame-italian-restaurant-la-scala-speakeasy-coronavirus-1234661708/

I also endorse the spaekeasy method.   ::thumbsup::

Also, as cases like this illustrate...

https://www.weaselzippers.us/461591-city-of-madison-we-closed-your-business-ruined-your-life-but-if-you-dont-clear-the-snow-well-fine-you/

...going Galt has to become more prevalent.  They'll have a hard time paying those Nuremberg LEO's if there is nothing in the coffers...
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Re: 2018 and 2020 could have lots of fireworks
« Reply #1106 on: December 28, 2020, 12:54:48 PM »
As far as I can tell Minnesota doesn't seem to have anything specific regarding PMA's on the books, but there could be a catch-22 I am not aware of...typically something not covered is allowed until challenged and case law established...so could be virgin ground here.

The U.S. Constitution obviously reigns supreme -- but check your state constitution as well -- that's were it also occurs in N.J..
Also, the term 'PMA' may not be there verbatim -- but the right to privately associate (for reasons that are NONE of anyone else's business) is outlined in the Constitution. That same concept applied then bars ANY government entity from dictating number of folks in your home, hours during which that may occur, the wearing of masks or even the conducting of consensual orgies (as long as no crime, e.g. rape, minors, etc. is occurring).  I'd bet that smoking weed or snorting coke can't be touched, either -- as long as you do not then enter the public domain & endanger others while under the influence.
Private is private.

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How about these scenarios:
You own a restaurant & make it a PMA. Dues are paid by the following membership plan:
A.   Regular: $5,000/year (which includes up to 50 meals), or
B.   Month-to-Month: dues are (approximately) $70 to $100 and include meal, drinks, tip & use of restroom) – cancelable at any time.
C.   Daily/ 24 hr membership - In town visiting & you only want the Taco Platter & a Modelo, uhm . . . 24 Hour membership? O.K - that's $20.00 & includes the platter, beer, tip & a trip to the restroom. You can decide about "full membership" another time, no time limit!

--and in neither case does the stinking state get ANY revenue (because it's a non-taxable membership fee, NOT a product or service) --
A, B, C, D, E . . . F 'em!
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Re: 2018 and 2020 could have lots of fireworks
« Reply #1107 on: December 28, 2020, 04:30:14 PM »
As far as I can tell Minnesota doesn't seem to have anything specific regarding PMA's on the books, but there could be a catch-22 I am not aware of...typically something not covered is allowed until challenged and case law established...so could be virgin ground here.

The U.S. Constitution obviously reigns supreme -- but check your state constitution as well -- that's were it also occurs in N.J..
Also, the term 'PMA' may not be there verbatim -- but the right to privately associate (for reasons that are NONE of anyone else's business) is outlined in the Constitution. That same concept applied then bars ANY government entity from dictating number of folks in your home, hours during which that may occur, the wearing of masks or even the conducting of consensual orgies (as long as no crime, e.g. rape, minors, etc. is occurring).  I'd bet that smoking weed or snorting coke can't be touched, either -- as long as you do not then enter the public domain & endanger others while under the influence.
Private is private.

Edit:
How about these scenarios:
You own a restaurant & make it a PMA. Dues are paid by the following membership plan:
A.   Regular: $5,000/year (which includes up to 50 meals), or
B.   Month-to-Month: dues are (approximately) $70 to $100 and include meal, drinks, tip & use of restroom) – cancelable at any time.
C.   Daily/ 24 hr membership - In town visiting & you only want the Taco Platter & a Modelo, uhm . . . 24 Hour membership? O.K - that's $20.00 & includes the platter, beer, tip & a trip to the restroom. You can decide about "full membership" another time, no time limit!

--and in neither case does the stinking state get ANY revenue (because it's a non-taxable membership fee, NOT a product or service) --
A, B, C, D, E . . . F 'em!

I'm reading a William Mitchell law school summary of the Minnesota Constitutions...yes, plural...because competing delegates could not agree on anything even electing officers...so each party drafted one...and then they agreed to hash it out in a committee to create the final draft...and since copies have to be hand made at the time...two versions were made...with little material difference so we are told...then when voted on by the people it was merely put to them to "adopt the Constitution proposed by the St. Paul Convention" and left the version unmentioned...leading to some to call ours a "astig-matic constitution", there followed a literal shatload of amendments...leading to the 1974 re-write:

Shall the Minnesota Constitution be amended in all its arti-cles to improve its clarity by removing  obsolete and inconse-quential provisions, by improving its organization and bycorrecting  grammar and style of language, but without mak-ing any consequential changes in its legal effect?

The change was approved by voters, but the item in bold still means judicial review can go back to original documents...so we have a trifocal law of the land.

But the most interesting part I found was this -

For the individual litigant,the most important provisions are to be found at the beginning and the end, specifically in article I and articles X through XIII.These confer substantive rights or liberties on citizens of the state and limit the power of government.  The intervening arti-cles primarily address the structure and organization of govern-ment. These intervening articles should not be overlooked because they may be important in examining the validity of gov-ernmental actions and are of vital significance for public officials.The bill of rights is contained in article I of the  Minnesota Constitution. The Minnesota version is much longer  and more detailed than its federal counterpart. The importance of indi-vidual rights to the founders of the Minnesota Constitution is further demonstrated by the placement of the bill of rights at the beginning of the document-before any governmental insti-tutions are established-rather than as a series of amendments at the end, as it appears in the Federal Constitution.

And showing the bias in the state, the historical society only lists the Dem version.   ::)

1974 version -

Preamble

We, the people of the state of Minnesota, grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to perpetuate its blessings and secure the same to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution
ARTICLE I
BILL OF RIGHTS
Section 1. Object of government.

Government is instituted for the security, benefit and protection of the people, in whom all political power is inherent, together with the right to alter, modify or reform government whenever required by the public good.
Sec. 2. Rights and privileges.

No member of this state shall be disfranchised or deprived of any of the rights or privileges secured to any citizen thereof, unless by the law of the land or the judgment of his peers. There shall be neither slavery nor involuntary servitude in the state otherwise than as punishment for a crime of which the party has been convicted.
Sec. 3. Liberty of the press.

The liberty of the press shall forever remain inviolate, and all persons may freely speak, write and publish their sentiments on all subjects, being responsible for the abuse of such right.
Sec. 4. Trial by jury.

The right of trial by jury shall remain inviolate, and shall extend to all cases at law without regard to the amount in controversy. A jury trial may be waived by the parties in all cases in the manner prescribed by law. The legislature may provide that the agreement of five-sixths of a jury in a civil action or proceeding, after not less than six hours' deliberation, is a sufficient verdict. The legislature may provide for the number of jurors in a civil action or proceeding, provided that a jury have at least six members.

[Amended, November 8, 1988]
Sec. 5. No excessive bail or unusual punishments.

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel or unusual punishments inflicted.
Sec. 6. Rights of accused in criminal prosecutions.

In all criminal prosecutions the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial by an impartial jury of the county or district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which county or district shall have been previously ascertained by law. In all prosecutions of crimes defined by law as felonies, the accused has the right to a jury of 12 members. In all other criminal prosecutions, the legislature may provide for the number of jurors, provided that a jury have at least six members. The accused shall enjoy the right to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation, to be confronted with the witnesses against him, to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor and to have the assistance of counsel in his defense.

[Amended, November 8, 1988]
Sec. 7. Due process; prosecutions; double jeopardy; self-incrimination; bail; habeas corpus.

No person shall be held to answer for a criminal offense without due process of law, and no person shall be put twice in jeopardy of punishment for the same offense, nor be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law. All persons before conviction shall be bailable by sufficient sureties, except for capital offenses when the proof is evident or the presumption great. The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended unless the public safety requires it in case of rebellion or invasion.
Sec. 8. Redress of injuries or wrongs.

Every person is entitled to a certain remedy in the laws for all injuries or wrongs which he may receive to his person, property or character, and to obtain justice freely and without purchase, completely and without denial, promptly and without delay, conformable to the laws.
Sec. 9. Treason defined.

Treason against the state consists only in levying war against the state, or in adhering to its enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act or on confession in open court.
Sec. 10. Unreasonable searches and seizures prohibited.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated; and no warrant shall issue but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched and the person or things to be seized.
Sec. 11. Attainders, ex post facto laws and laws impairing contracts prohibited.

No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or any law impairing the obligation of contracts shall be passed, and no conviction shall work corruption of blood or forfeiture of estate.
Sec. 12. Imprisonment for debt; property exemption.

No person shall be imprisoned for debt in this state, but this shall not prevent the legislature from providing for imprisonment, or holding to bail, persons charged with fraud in contracting said debt. A reasonable amount of property shall be exempt from seizure or sale for the payment of any debt or liability. The amount of such exemption shall be determined by law. Provided, however, that all property so exempted shall be liable to seizure and sale for any debts incurred to any person for work done or materials furnished in the construction, repair or improvement of the same, and provided further, that such liability to seizure and sale shall also extend to all real property for any debt to any laborer or servant for labor or service performed.
Sec. 13. Private property for public use.

Private property shall not be taken, destroyed or damaged for public use without just compensation therefor, first paid or secured.
Sec. 14. Military power subordinate.

The military shall be subordinate to the civil power and no standing army shall be maintained in this state in times of peace.
Sec. 15. Lands allodial; void agricultural leases.

All lands within the state are allodial and feudal tenures of every description with all their incidents are prohibited. Leases and grants of agricultural lands for a longer period than 21 years reserving rent or service of any kind shall be void.
Sec. 16. Freedom of conscience; no preference to be given to any religious establishment or mode of worship.

The enumeration of rights in this constitution shall not deny or impair others retained by and inherent in the people. The right of every man to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience shall never be infringed; nor shall any man be compelled to attend, erect or support any place of worship, or to maintain any religious or ecclesiastical ministry, against his consent; nor shall any control of or interference with the rights of conscience be permitted, or any preference be given by law to any religious establishment or mode of worship; but the liberty of conscience hereby secured shall not be so construed as to excuse acts of licentiousness or justify practices inconsistent with the peace or safety of the state, nor shall any money be drawn from the treasury for the benefit of any religious societies or religious or theological seminaries.
Sec. 17. Religious tests and property qualifications prohibited.

No religious test or amount of property shall be required as a qualification for any office of public trust in the state. No religious test or amount of property shall be required as a qualification of any voter at any election in this state; nor shall any person be rendered incompetent to give evidence in any court of law or equity in consequence of his opinion upon the subject of religion.


Well, the commies violate many of the above...and scanning the rest...

Sec. 2. Prohibition as to aiding sectarian school.

In no case shall any public money or property be appropriated or used for the support of schools wherein the distinctive doctrines, creeds or tenets of any particular Christian or other religious sect are promulgated or taught.

...I know they are looking away from the muzzies, so they violate the heck out of that one too...so while I see no prohibition against private associations...their behavior doesn't mean they won't crack down on it.

OK, long threadjack, sorry...but sometimes I go down the rabbit hole...

Maybe under charter of a new church, "The Liberty Church of Leave Us Alone, or Else!"?
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Re: 2018 and 2020 could have lots of fireworks
« Reply #1108 on: December 29, 2020, 08:40:19 AM »
https://noqreport.com/2020/12/29/politics-vs-faith-which-will-drive-mike-pences-actions-on-january-6th/

Well, speculate away...

For me I see no diversion from a trajectory of cowardice, stupidity and suicide....

What will be will be...Deus Vult!
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Re: 2018 and 2020 could have lots of fireworks
« Reply #1109 on: December 30, 2020, 09:48:39 AM »
Faith in the Dread Traitor Roberts led SCROTUS?!

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-campaign-asks-supreme-court-set-aside-wisconsins-election

 ::hysterical::

Einstein's definition of insanity!

And, see this?

Well, well, well...looks like Elephonkey McConnell up to his old tricks again...DemCom's won't even have to cheat in GA...but hard to stop what has been allowed...



https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/12/29/a-familiar-play-mitch-mcconnell-blocks-attempt-to-pass-2000-covid-relief-bill-deflects-accountability-to-potus/

Mitch likes being a DemCom bitch.

Screw the country, he says.


H/T-ZH

Screw him, and all like him.

The trajectory is clear...and inescapable...


H/T-ZH
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Re: 2018 and 2020 could have lots of fireworks
« Reply #1110 on: December 30, 2020, 05:36:41 PM »
Just out on The Blaze:

Mark Levin: On January 6, We Learn Whether our Constitution Will Hold

The 2020 presidential election was, in several targeted battleground states, an unconstitutional electoral exercise. Even putting aside evidence of significant fraud, virtually none of which received a hearing by our courts, events leading up to and including the November national election constituted a radical and grave departure from the federal electoral system adopted by the framers of the Constitution and the state ratification conventions. Now, let's be clear: None of this matters to the Democrat Party, since it and its surrogates perpetrated these unconstitutional acts, as I shall soon explain. Nor does it matter to the media, which is utterly illiterate on the subject and unequivocally supports the supposed outcome in any event. But it should be of great moment and concern to the people of this country and especially to congressional Republicans in both Houses, for if the latter do not at least confront and challenge this lawlessness on January 6, when Congress meets to count the electors, it will be the GOP's undoing and, simultaneously, the undoing of our presidential electoral system. Ultimately, it will be the people of the United States who love our republic who will be the losers.

(full article @ link, above)
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Re: 2018 and 2020 could have lots of fireworks
« Reply #1111 on: January 03, 2021, 11:50:21 AM »
Not many ticky-tockies left...

Quisling's are signing their fates in their own blood...key Constitutional role players appear be saying the right things - “Vice President Pence shares the concerns of millions of Americans about voter fraud and irregularities in the last election,” Marc Short, Pence’s chief of staff said in a statement to The Hill.  “The Vice President welcomes the efforts of members of the House and Senate to use the authority they have under the law to raise objections and bring forward evidence before the Congress and the American people on January 6th,” without divulging how or if they will act on them with their Constitutional authority (to wit, the selection of alternate electors from the fraud-riddled states of GA, PA, MI, WI, AZ, NV & NM]https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2021/01/02/vp-pence-chief-of-staff-gives-statement-supporting-january-6th-challenge-to-electoral-certification/ and Cruz et al likely facing a feckless McConnell caucus more inclined to suffer Quislings than patriots...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2021/01/02/senator-ted-cruz-leads-group-of-republican-senators-to-join-josh-hawley-in-opposition-to-electoral-certification/

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/ted-cruz-leads-senators-challenge-electoral-count-demands-emergency-audit

It would be refreshing if the marchers on Wednesday built a gallows...if you build it...perhaps...well, odds are quite good there will be noise and angry protestations...punctuated by cowardice and betrayal...it would be disappointing not to be prepared for the end of the Republic...it is the month named after Janus you know, the deity of transitions...a perfect time to flip a transition is at its beginning...be the counter-transition!

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Re: 2018 and 2020 could have lots of fireworks
« Reply #1112 on: January 04, 2021, 03:21:21 PM »
https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/biden-cancelling-inauguration-day-activities-over-fear-it-will-turn-into-maga-party/

MAGA Party! 

 ::hysterical::   ::rolllaughing::   ::laughonfloor::

If VP Pence allows The Steal to be sealed...it would indeed be a party on par with Boston 1773 and "the shot heard around the world" 1775.  Justice delayed is justice denied.
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Re: 2018 and 2020 could have lots of fireworks
« Reply #1113 on: January 05, 2021, 08:37:28 AM »
See this BS?

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/proud-boys-leader-arrested-washington-ahead-wednesday-protest-rally

Yah, BLM and Antifa can burn cities to the ground...no problem...desecrate their genocidal Marxist symbol...oh my capital offense, eh?

Joke.  Not gonna stop them either.

Oh, and it appears if this is correct, Herr Mueller bitch Jeannie Rhee is behind this action.

But, once again the authorities these goons have been targeting are acting enforcer for their opponents and I am hearing local stormtroopers are actually escorting Antifa terrorists into DC for tomorrow...

Their goons are also terrorizing Hawley's family now...too bad perps aren't being dissuaded with a rain of hollowpoints.

So, the DC event either looks like a trap...or an opportunity to turn it into a Lexington/Concord event...let the stormtroopers and their proxies shoot first...y'all attending this ought to be ready for anything...

And with the SocialistMedia passing word along from the DeepState it appears there is a coordinated cabal effort to turn tomorrow's event into a bigger Las Vegas Harvest Festival slaughter (2017) that if you recall one guy supposedly killed 58, wounded over 1,000 and to this day the FBI declares he had no motive.  So, do NOT trust authorities...none of them.

And we'll see if this BS is meant to corral the VP into backing away from his authority...corrupt BS should be defied.


https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2021/01/05/nationwide-action-alert-horns-of-jericho-sound-at-noon-et-wednesday/

IMO I think this thing can work only if Trump attends and resists efforts by the Praetorians to usher him away should the DeepState start the shooting...

Sadly, a martyred President Trump may be a more effective rallying symbol for Liberty than a man manhandled away and forced out by a bunch of corrupt communists and AINO Quislings...

But whatever...

Deus Vult

ETA - Would like to blare my horn tomorrow but I have a daily work meeting that spills over that hour...will have to catch some online coverage of events in DC, will be interesting to see the mood of the crowd if Pence throws Liberty under the bus...never has so much come down to one man in history...reckon this will be one of those moments...good or ill.
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Re: 2018 and 2020 could have lots of fireworks
« Reply #1114 on: January 05, 2021, 04:24:14 PM »
 REMINDER: GO OUT AND VOTE TODAY IF YOU LIVE IN GEORGIA…

https://www.weaselzippers.us/462039-reminder-go-out-and-vote-today-if-you-live-in-georgia/

WTF for?  They stop out of state commies from pouring in to vote illegally?  They suddenly say "Oh, right...better prosecute that fraud and throw it out"?

They stop using Commie machines that caused so much fraud and deceit this past November?

That's a fat fracking NO!!!

 ::upsidedownflag::

The ballot box failed...one left...and they'll be coming for it lickity-split so use it or lose it!

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Re: 2018 and 2020 could have lots of fireworks
« Reply #1115 on: January 06, 2021, 08:31:39 AM »
Well, well, well...GA outcome with Dominion machines and out-state interlopers went totally according to commie plans...

I'm sure Cocaine Mitch is totally thrilled to be once again in the subordinate position...his comfort zone...

 ::mooning::

Going back to November again...another player emerges in The Big Steal - Leonardo SpA:

https://noqreport.com/2021/01/06/global-defense-contractor-it-expert-testifies-in-italian-court-he-and-others-switched-votes-in-the-u-s-presidential-race/

Well, today is either a reprieve from tyranny, oppression, war, famine, disease and all that...or the beginning of a final reckoning...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-slams-fake-news-nyt-report-pence-said-he-lacks-authority-change-election-result]The propaganda arm of the DeepState/DemCom/AINO/CronyCapitalist cabal is trying to steer the narrative for today...but in the end it comes down to VP Pence using his Constitutional authority to protect Liberty by rejecting electors produced by fraud committed by traitors and funded by foreign and domestic conspirators...or the Republic is illegitimate and to be fought to extinction.

As for Congress...I reckon we can refer to these as "the 90 who stood for Liberty":

Senate

Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.)
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas)
Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.)
Sen. Steve Daines (R-Mont.)
Sen. James Lankford (R-Okla.)
Sen. John Kennedy (R-La.)
Sen. Mike Braun (R-Ind.)
Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.)
Sen. Bill Hagerty (R-Tenn.)
Sen. Cynthia Lummis (R-Wyo.)
Sen. Roger Marshall (R-Kan.)
Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-Ala.)
Sen. Kelly Loeffler (R-Ga.)
House of Representatives

Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.)
Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.)
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.)
Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-N.C.)
Rep. Barry Moore (R-Ala.)
Rep. Bob Good (R-Va.)
Rep. Jody Hice (R-Ga.)
Rep. Brian Babin (R-Texas)
Rep. Ted Budd (R-N.C.)
Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.)
Rep. Lance Gooden (R-Texas)
Rep. Jeff Van Drew (R-N.J.)
Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas)
Rep. Ronny Jackson (R-Texas)
Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-S.C.)
Rep. Burgess Owens (R-Utah)
Rep. Andrew Clyde (R-Ga.)
Rep. Jerry Carl (R-Ala.)
Rep. Yvette Herrell (R-N.M.)
Rep. Mark Green (R-Tenn.)
Rep. Ralph Norman (R-S.C.)
Rep. Paul Gosar (R-Ariz.)
Rep. Diana Harshbarger (R-Tenn.)
Rep. Clay Higgins (R-La.)
Rep. Jason Smith (R-Mo.)
Rep. Billy Long (R-Mo.)
Rep. Sam Graves (R-Mo.)
Rep. Vicky Hartzler (R-Mo.)
Rep. Scott Perry (R-Pa.)
Rep. Guy Reschenthaler (R-Pa.)
Rep. Dan Meuser (R-Pa.)
Rep. Glenn Thompson (R-Pa.)
Rep. Mike Kelly (R-Pa.)
Rep. Lloyd Smucker (R-Pa.)
Rep. John Joyce (R-Pa.)
Rep. Fred Keller (R-Pa.)
Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.)
Rep. Byron Donalds (R-Fla.)
Rep. Randy Weber (R-Texas)
Rep. Barry Loudermilk (R-Ga)
Rep. John Rutherford (R-Fla.)
Rep. William Timmons (R-S.C.)
Rep. Kevin Hern (R-Okla.)
Rep. Kat Cammack (R-Fla.)
Rep. Chuck Fleischmann (R-Tenn.)
Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio)
Rep. Richard Hudson (R-N.C.)
Rep. Ron Estes (R-Kan.)
Rep. Tracey Mann (R-Kan.)
Rep. Jacob LaTurner (R-Kan.)
Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-N.Y.)
Rep. Doug Lamborn (R-Colo.)
Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Ala.)
Rep. Chris Stewart (R-Utah)
Rep. Russ Fulcher (R-Idaho)
Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.)
Rep. Jackie Walorski (R-Ind.)
Rep. Jack Bergman (R-Mich.)
Rep. Tim Walberg (R-Mich.)
Rep. Ron Wright (R-Texas)
Rep. Warren Davidson (R-Ohio)
Rep. John Carter (R-Texas)
Rep. Robert Aderholt (R-Ala.)
Rep. Mike Garcia (R-Calif.)
Rep. Bill Posey (R-Fla.)
Rep. Scott Franklin (R-Fla.)
Rep. Jim Banks (R-Ind.)
Rep. Steven Palazzo (R-Miss.)
Rep. Adrian Smith (R-Neb.)
Rep. David Rouzer (R-N.C.)
Rep. Bob Gibbs (R-Ohio)
Rep. Markwayne Mullin (R-Okla.)
Rep. Scott DesJarlais (R-Tenn.)
Rep. Pete Sessions (R-Texas)
Rep. Dan Bishop (R-N.C.)
Rep. Jodey Arrington (R-Texas)
Rep. Rick Crawford (R-Ark.)


https://www.ntd.com/full-list-77-representatives-13-senators-pledge-to-object-to-electoral-votes_549373.html

Guess the rest chickened out or are outright enemies of Liberty, well, so it is written...

Well, we'll see...it appears the President will indeed attend the Save America Rally on the ellipse at 11am, so I guess we will see what the day unfolds...

Deus Vult
We are now where The Founders were when they faced despotism.

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Re: 2018 and 2020 could have lots of fireworks
« Reply #1116 on: January 06, 2021, 09:21:09 AM »
The Republic ended the day of the election when Democrats and the courts ignored the sworn testimony of observers -  whose sole purpose in those rooms is to be the eyes and ears of America  - that there was fraud.  That is what they are in those rooms for.  If even one came out and said " I saw fraud" this should spark an investigation - if for not other reason than to nail that person to the wall for perjury if they are lying and casting undue doubt on the process. In this case there are multiple witnesses, with stories the collaborate each other.

My Mother still points at this official or that and says " That person says there was no Fraud and it is their job to know"
I tell her it is appeal to authority - and that Trump is also an elected official - and in charge of the entire nation- it is his job to know as well. Why not believe him?
The response?  Silence.

They aren't interested in fair play, or honest dealings with others, or in seeking the truth
They just want their way- end of story. And they don't care who they hurt or what they destroy on their way to doing it.
It is the collectivist way - when one believes one knows what is best for others, and sees them at best , as a child to care for, and at worst some sort of communal property there is no need to negotiate. One does not negotiate with  a toddler nor does one ask one's shoes if they wish to be walked upon.

They simply do not care if anyone believes the election results, or if we can have another election again
Getting Biden elected and imposing their way is the ONLY thing that matters to them

Biden is in - simply refuse and draw the line in the sand.  Do not comply.  They can't arrest 75 million people, and if they cross a line in the sand ,  well, you know what to do. Your duty is to make sure one enforcer never enforces anything again

If Trump is in, its the same deal - The powers that be are determined to make the Great Reset happen and they will stop at nothing.. Look around..

These people are acting as if there is no tomorrow and that there will never be a reckoning. The unconstitutional lock downs to make people paupers and easier to control, the insistence that everyone take this vaccination , the medias sacrifice of all credibility, the open attempts at censorship,  the blatant voter fraud and destruction of evidence, the massive borrowing and spending...  all point to one outcome. They feel this is the time and they are all in. 
Trump  will not be able to restrain them - they will simply turn to governors and State governments to implement their tyranny

Trump  will probably be assassinated ..  Um sorry, I mean, commit suicide. .. in the next  two weeks  regardless of the outcome.
I am not sure what to advise on the vaccine - it either vaccinates against a new disease they will release to wipe out dissenters, or it sterlizes or makes those who get it prone to control in some form ( micro-particl mark of the devil etc..)

One will at some point need to seek fraudulent vaccine documents or nano partilce stamps on the black market if one does not take the dose.
 
 
Succession  may occur and they may even allow it -  allowing  the Chinese to invade the coasts... or bringing  in UN Peacekeepers  to stop the "riots"  - all of whom will come from  China.

Get your preps topped off as best you can.  Mentally prepare yourself to show no mercy and prepare yourself for possible death .
Fully understand that getting on the Bus means you and your family will die in a concentration camp
Buy some gold, silver, bitcoin and etherium.  Be on the lookout for China's "replacement currency" ( which might also be a crypto) and SDRs  - and yes you should buy some early if they aren't mandated as "new currency" at the same time.  China will have the new reserve - that battle has already been lost, and your best bet of having the ability to get resources will depend on having this script.
If you are in the city - its time to get out
If you can't have the bug out bag ready to go. The second they declare martial law in an area ( and its not your local sheriff doing so and  deputizing volunteer gun owners)  its time to get out.
Get the maps needed for targets  and manuals needed for know how downloaded now. The internet will increasingly track and pull such information.
Make sure those in your clan are doing these things.

The situation will continue to devolve over the coming year,  and the shooting won't really start till people are good and desperate.  We are starting to see signs of that now, but we are no where near the third world conditions are in full flower .

Maybe we get lucky and Russia will nuke our major cities like John Titor suggested.  The US is likely to become a proxy war between Russia and China as things get worse.


Or I am wrong. And here is to hoping that is the case


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Re: 2018 and 2020 could have lots of fireworks
« Reply #1117 on: January 06, 2021, 12:09:51 PM »
Yeah, GA was a redux of November...

https://twitter.com/mrhodes9/status/1346643751293366274



...the commies obviously don't care...so-called Republican's with responsibility to uphold the law don't care...cowardice abounds...

So, the law cannot be used and discarded simultaneously...illegitimacy is in ascendance...obedience to tyranny or resistance to it is where we are...or as a poster on WZ illustrated -



All the critters are milling in now...

https://www.c-span.org/video/?507663-1/joint-session-congress-counting-electoral-college-ballots

President Trump still speaking...said earlier "We’re gonna walk down to the Capitol"...great idea...meanwhile PravdaMedia is having a sh!tfit...says "storm the capitol" with "weapons", ha!  It would be totally justified if they accede to illegitimacy!

Yeah, final preps...while you can.
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Re: 2018 and 2020 could have lots of fireworks
« Reply #1118 on: January 06, 2021, 12:19:26 PM »
AZ first challenge...off to chambers to vote...Commie House result known...time for the Quisling Republican's to declare their fate...
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Re: 2018 and 2020 could have lots of fireworks
« Reply #1119 on: January 06, 2021, 12:27:36 PM »
Watching cspan. Waiting for the traitors to make their play. I notice that Scalise isn't bowing to Herr Piglosi's diktat prohibiting the use of normal identifiers ("Madam Speaker") - will she scold?