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http://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/Article.cfm?customel_dataPageID_1502=38018

For Immediate Release
November 28, 2011

Facts are STUBBORN Things, Knowledge of the Connection Between Agent Terry's Death and Fast and Furious

Setting the Record Straight on the Justice Department Oversight Hearing

“Facts are STUBBORN Things”
“…and whatever our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams, December 1770

 

Senate Judiciary Committee Oversight Hearings with Secretary Janet Napolitano, October 19, 2011, and Attorney General Eric Holder, November 8, 2011

Knowledge of Connection Between Agent Terry’s Death and Fast and Furious

•    Senator Grassley: “Have you had any communications with Mr. Burke about Operation Fast and Furious?”

Secretary Napolitano: “When Agent Terry was killed, it was December 14th, I went to Arizona a few days thereafter to meet with the FBI agents and the assistant U.S. attorneys who were actually going to look for the shooters.  At that time, nobody had done the forensics on the guns and Fast and Furious was not mentioned.  But I wanted to be sure that those responsible for his death were brought to justice, and that every DOJ resource was being brought to bear on that topic.  So I did have conversations in – it would have December of ’09 – about the murder of Agent Terry.  But at that point in time, there – nobody knew about Fast and Furious.”

•    Senator Grassley: “When we met that day [on January 31, 2011], did you know that the guns connected to an ATF operation had been found at the Terry murder scene?”

Attorney General Holder: “I did not.”

•    Senator Grassley: “Documents produced by the department suggest that your deputy chief of staff spoke with U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke about Fast and Furious, shortly after Agent Terry’s death.  Did Mr. Wilkinson say anything to you about the connection between Agent Terry’s death and the ATF operation?”

Attorney General Holder: “No, he did not.  The conversations that they had were about a variety of things.  I’ve looked at the emails.  Now the possibility of me coming out to at some point talk about being engaged in a press conference, other matters, but there was no discussion between them of the tactics that are of concern with regard to Fast and Furious and as a result of that, Mr. Wilkinson did not share information with me about his contacts with former U.S. Attorney, Burke.”

FACT
The Attorney General’s Deputy Chief of Staff Monty Wilkinson sent an email to U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke at 11:18 am on December 14, 2010, the day before Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry’s death.  The email had only a subject line: “You available for a call today?”  On December 15 at 2:14 am, Burke responded: “Sorry for going dark on you.  I was at Navajo and Hopi all day and coverage was weak at best.  I did get your vm.  We have a major gun trafficking case connected to Mexico we are taking down in January.  20+ defendants.  Will call today to explain in detail.”  Documents show that notice of Agent Terry’s death was emailed to Burke an hour later, at 3:31 am.

According to emails produced by the Justice Department, Nathan Gray, Special Agent in Charge of the FBI’s Phoenix Field Division, was at the press conference held that day to announce the death of Agent Terry, and was telling individuals there about the connection to Operation Fast and Furious.  Thus, by the time Secretary Napolitano visited Arizona a few days later, the FBI and the U.S. Attorney’s Office were clearly aware of the connection.

The emails that have been produced by the Justice Department so far are insufficient to draw any conclusions about what Wilkinson and Burke may have discussed over the phone on December 15.  Whether any follow-up conversation between them included the fact that Fast and Furious guns were found at the scene will remain unknown until Burke completes his testimony, which was interrupted on an earlier date, and Wilkinson testifies for the first time.  Unfortunately, the Justice Department has to this point refused to make other witnesses with first-hand knowledge available for transcribed interviews.

It is clear, however, that multiple officials from multiple agencies knew almost immediately of the connection between Fast and Furious and Agent Terry’s death, including Deputy Attorney General Gary Grindler.  The Department of Justice and the Department of Homeland Security have failed to adequately explain why Attorney General Holder and Secretary Napolitano allegedly remained ignorant of that connection.

Documents supporting the FACTS..


http://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/Article.cfm?customel_dataPageID_1502=38035

For Immediate Release
November 29, 2011

Facts are STUBBORN Things, the Connection between Fast and Furious and Agent Terry's Death

Setting the Record Straight on the Department of Justice Oversight Hearing

“Facts are STUBBORN Things”
“…and whatever our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams, December 1770


Senate Judiciary Committee Oversight Hearing with Attorney General Eric Holder, Nov. 8, 2011

Connection Between Fast and Furious and Agent Terry’s Death

Attorney General Holder to Senator Cornyn: “It is not fair, however, to assume that the mistakes that happened in Fast and Furious led directly to the death of Agent Terry.”

FACT
According to the FBI, two weapons were found at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.  The bullet removed from Agent Terry matched the caliber of those two weapons, not the caliber of the weapons in possession of the Border Patrol agents, so it appears he did not die from friendly fire.  Congressional investigators have asked the FBI to explain its theory of the case, since if there was no third gun at the scene and the bullet didn’t come from the Border Patrol, there must still be an unknown third gun which law enforcement has not yet recovered.  It is possible that that third gun is not related to Fast and Furious.  However, since two guns walked in Fast and Furious were present, it is possible that a third may have been as well.  The two found at the scene were both part of a lot of three weapons purchased by known straw buyer Jaime Avila on the same day in January 2010.

Prior to the purchase of the weapons found at the Terry murder scene, Avila had already been identified by the ATF as a likely straw purchaser at least two-and-a-half months earlier.  In November 2009 Uriel Patino, the largest purchasing target in Operation Fast and Furious, brought Avila into a cooperating gun dealer to buy five weapons.  ATF received real-time notice from the gun dealer and knew the purchases were significant enough that agents rushed to the store to follow them.  However, they arrived too late.  Yet rather than going to Avila’s address to question him, ATF opted to sit back.  Avila continued to purchase through December 2009 and into January 2010.

When the weapons found at the Terry murder scene were bought by Avila on January 16, 2010, the cooperating gun dealer gave the ATF same-day notice via fax.  One business day later, the ATF entered the purchases in their Suspect Gun Database.  Nevertheless, the ATF still failed to question Avila the day of the purchase, the day the purchase was entered into the Suspect Gun Database—or at all, until Avila was arrested 11 months later in direct response to Agent Terry’s death.  The falsification of forms charge for which Avila was arrested on December 15 could have been made months earlier.

Regardless, by using the word ‘directly,’ Holder seems to be echoing the statement of Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer: “The tragic truth is that if those criminals who killed Agent Terry had not gotten the guns from this one source, they would have gotten the gun from another source.”  That is hardly an excuse for federal law enforcement to watch criminals collect more than a thousand firearms without acting to stop them.

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Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
« Reply #321 on: November 29, 2011, 08:08:22 PM »

Senator Grassley, where are the indictments?

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« Reply #322 on: November 29, 2011, 08:56:36 PM »

Senator Grassley, where are the indictments?


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Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
« Reply #323 on: November 30, 2011, 07:11:52 AM »
No bull!  I want the marshall's sent over and manacles clamped on tight and this trash perp walked to jail right damn now!!!!

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Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
« Reply #324 on: November 30, 2011, 05:57:00 PM »
Check this out!

Obama Admin Seals Records of Murdered Border Patrol Agent Implicated in Fast and Furious
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-admin-seals-records-murdered-border-patrol-agent-implicated-fast-and-furious_610783.html

Pretty much of resounding FU from the Regime's Dept of Injustice!!!

Fothermucking clockchuggers!!!

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« Reply #325 on: November 30, 2011, 06:07:03 PM »
Weekly Standard has a link to Jihadwatch who advises "no one will know the reason for the confiscation of public court records in this case because the judge’s decision to seal it was also sealed, according to the news story."  (The "news story" being the Washington Times').

Unfugginbelievable.
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« Reply #326 on: November 30, 2011, 06:57:52 PM »
That's the way they always do it.  Wanna bet a paycheck on the party affiliation of the judge?
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« Reply #327 on: November 30, 2011, 07:19:40 PM »
That's the way they always do it.  Wanna bet a paycheck on the party affiliation of the judge?

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« Reply #328 on: November 30, 2011, 07:25:29 PM »
That's the way they always do it.  Wanna bet a paycheck on the party affiliation of the judge?

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I dunno, even that is sealed!!!
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Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
« Reply #329 on: December 02, 2011, 06:28:37 PM »
DOJ Friday Document Dump

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The Justice Department released documents today detailing how officials prepared a Feb. 4 letter to Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) that Attorney General Eric Holder has since admitted contained false information about Operation Fast and Furious, a botched gun operation under investigation by Congress.

The documents show that Dennis Burke, then a U.S. attorney who has since resigned, and William Hoover, then the deputy director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives who has since been reassigned, principally provided the false information to officials who drafted the letter. But the documents do not shed light on whether either knew the information was false at the time.

Well.  Isn't that convenient; the two men "responsible" are no longer in place.
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« Reply #330 on: December 02, 2011, 06:54:42 PM »
DOJ Friday Document Dump

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The Justice Department released documents today detailing how officials prepared a Feb. 4 letter to Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) that Attorney General Eric Holder has since admitted contained false information about Operation Fast and Furious, a botched gun operation under investigation by Congress.

The documents show that Dennis Burke, then a U.S. attorney who has since resigned, and William Hoover, then the deputy director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives who has since been reassigned, principally provided the false information to officials who drafted the letter. But the documents do not shed light on whether either knew the information was false at the time.

Well.  Isn't that convenient; the two men "responsible" are no longer in place.

Maybe not, but they still have a pulse. Throw them so far back in the prison, they have to pump light to them. ::rockets::
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« Reply #331 on: December 02, 2011, 07:13:56 PM »

Put them all in the same cell and
feed them half rations.

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Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
« Reply #332 on: December 03, 2011, 10:44:24 AM »
Did you all see the Friday night document dump?

http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_8560/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=JSsD30DU

The lies, the arrogance...every one of these people need to be in the darkest cells we have!

No doubt The Regime will pin it all on Burke, but it has already been proved that Holder & Co knew more about this when they said they didn't, so the rabbit hole goes a lot deeper! 

"Every version gets weaker. We will be apologizing" to Grassley "by tomorrow afternoon."

"By the way, what is so offensive about this whole project" of response "is that Grassley's staff, acting as willing stooges for the Gun Lobby, have attempted to distract from the incredible success in dismantling" Southwest Border "gun trafficking operations" and "not uttering one word of rightful praise and thanks to ATF - but, instead, lobbing this reckless despicable accusation that ATF is complicit in the murder of a fellow federal law enforcement officer."

On Friday night, Grassley spokeswoman Beth Levine said that "Burke personally apologized to Sen. Grassley's staff for the tone and the content of the emails" after learning from the Justice Department that the emails would be released.

Put this bastard on the rack and sweat out who's orders he was following!

Meanwhile, Issa seems to be sabotaging his own inquiry, and appears content with leaving Holder in power...

“(Mr. Holder) did not order this operation,” Mr. Issa said. “He didn’t demand they do something this stupid.” He said Mr. Holder should fix the problem and it was up to the White House to decide whether the attorney general should go.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/dec/2/issa-says-holder-ouster-white-house/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS

Issa blinked, I guess Holder has dirt on him, and as a result these fvcksticks are gonna get away scott free!

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« Reply #333 on: December 05, 2011, 06:52:33 PM »

Can't find it but SSI had said that last Monday
past a big Holder shoe was going to be dropped
by Time mag.  It didn't but then the editors were
ah, ...they resigned. 

During the course of that it was suggested
that money laundering could be the shoe.
[blockquote]
Money Laundering?

Mexican soldiers hit the jackpot when they carried out a surprise search of a car in the unruly border town of Tijuana and found $15 million plus jewels and drugs stashed inside.[/blockquote]


William La Jeunesse on FoxNews just said Issa is
expanding his investigation to include money laundering.


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« Reply #334 on: December 05, 2011, 06:59:10 PM »
Where's El Chapo?
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« Reply #335 on: December 05, 2011, 07:06:18 PM »

LOS ANGELES -- The young wife of Mexico's most wanted drug lord has given birth to twin girls at a hospital in northern Los Angeles County, according to a newspaper report..

[Ms} Coronel, a former beauty queen who holds U.S. citizenship, returned to Mexico after they were born

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« Reply #336 on: December 05, 2011, 07:34:56 PM »

@1:40 We now have this expanding scandal of the DEA participating in money laundering in order to find out where the money goes... ...Clearly this is more about 'can the justice be trusted to conduct
investigations according to the law or do they believe that the end
justifies the means...
                           _ _ Darrell Issa

and the DEA is selling drugs to see where the drugs go.
Darrell, how many felonies have they committed to date?
Weren't you a prosecutor? Well, prosecute.

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Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
« Reply #337 on: December 05, 2011, 07:49:35 PM »

LOS ANGELES -- The young wife of Mexico's most wanted drug lord has given birth to twin girls at a hospital in northern Los Angeles County, according to a newspaper report..

[Ms} Coronel, a former beauty queen who holds U.S. citizenship, returned to Mexico after they were born

Great, more anchor babies...El Chapo will get asylum from The Regime!

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« Reply #338 on: December 05, 2011, 07:51:05 PM »

@1:40 We now have this expanding scandal of the DEA participating in money laundering in order to find out where the money goes... ...Clearly this is more about 'can the justice be trusted to conduct
investigations according to the law or do they believe that the end
justifies the means...
                           _ _ Darrell Issa

and the DEA is selling drugs to see where the drugs go.
Darrell, how many felonies have they committed to date?
Weren't you a prosecutor? Well, prosecute.



I have to be living in a nightmare, please, can I wake up?!
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Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
« Reply #339 on: December 05, 2011, 08:39:00 PM »
  I can't take much more of this.
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