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Last straw for NATO to exist?
« on: April 01, 2020, 08:06:46 AM »
Come on...where's the last straw for some people?  MY Rubicon was crossed a long damn time ago!

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/europe-iran-complete-first-instex-transaction-successfully-dodging-us-sanctions

The Euro's are now OPENLY defying us and siding with our enemies...just WTF does it take for some people to realize that subsidizing the security of these ingrates one second or one cent longer is STUPID?!?!?!

Seriously...let's just launch everything now and end it all quickly...it would be a mercy compared to this slow convulsing death!!!

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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2020, 09:57:20 AM »
  The EU heads have to keep power some how. The unelected run the whole shebang.
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2020, 09:17:46 AM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/dangerous-idea-jeopardizing-europe-russia-warns-us-against-nukes-poland

Maria and the rest of the perpetually butthurt mongrels and their sycophants need to untwist their panties and realize these are merely words...words to the effect that we're tired of carrying dead euro asses on our backs...and the realization that those once oppressed and murdered by past Russian regimes are more worthy allies for us than the crap we've rescued twice...

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But no, the mongrels see all of Europe as theirs...well, they can't have it all so piss off.
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2020, 01:17:00 PM »
I am very much anti communist as this evil ideology has killed hundreds of millions. When the USSR collapsed and the Russian military withdrew to the East I was glad. NATO (mostly US) could withdraw West or at least draw down forces some as an act of good will. Instead we moved East. The Russians have the right to not want our tanks on their border.

Then the US organizes a coup in Ukraine. Now this. The US got butt hurt about Russian nukes in Cuba but we expect them to allow US nukes in Poland? The countries upholding Christianity get slammed by the EU. Russia allows prayer in public schools.
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2020, 02:55:41 PM »
Starting to look like the Middle East...the Poles, Czechs, Hungarians, Romanians...free Ukrainians...free Baltic people...best find a new home...as rooting for the Euros and Russians to nuke each other seems the best outcome...more likely the Euros become the slaves of the Russians since their battle strategy begins and ends with surrender anyway...same result for the free people...best GTFO while the getting is good...

And screw Scandinavia...they mostly go with the Euros and Islaminal invaders too anyway, eff 'em...eff 'em all.

Time for choices to have consequences...and the matching mass graves and misery...done caring...don't give a single frack.  They all deserve each other...last one standing among the charred ruins of an obliterated continent is the winner...enjoy your spoils!

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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2020, 08:52:24 AM »
More proof your military alliance isn't worth the paper it is written on...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-probe-near-direct-clash-french-turkish-warships-libya

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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2020, 02:47:16 PM »
This is one of the most upsetting international news articles I have read recently. The US and NATO destroying Libya was one of Barry's worst moves. The UK house of commons wanted to know why the UK got involved in that sh*t show so they did a detailed study. There was no good reason and the given reasons were crap.

So now France and Turkey are facing off over Libya? Turkey has no business in Libya. Turkey has also been making more trouble over Cyprus and oil drilling rights.

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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2020, 03:13:30 PM »
This is one of the most upsetting international news articles I have read recently. The US and NATO destroying Libya was one of Barry's worst moves. The UK house of commons wanted to know why the UK got involved in that sh*t show so they did a detailed study. There was no good reason and the given reasons were crap.

So now France and Turkey are facing off over Libya? Turkey has no business in Libya. Turkey has also been making more trouble over Cyprus and oil drilling rights.

And recently another large incursion into Iraq slaughtering Kurds...

Why we put up with the fricken Turks and Euroclowns anymore I just do not understand...the former are led by a self-pimping POS wanting to restore the Ottoman Empire and the latter are just simps eager to be vassals of Russia...

The most fair thing I can say about the Turks is they are competing with Russia for control of countries in the region...frankly all three can kick each others asses silly for all I care...the latter being zip.  Short of keeping The Ditch and PG free and open...and no hog-piling on Israel who just wants to exists unmolested...all the rest can hang!
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2020, 04:34:02 PM »
This is one of the most upsetting international news articles I have read recently. The US and NATO destroying Libya was one of Barry's worst moves. The UK house of commons wanted to know why the UK got involved in that sh*t show so they did a detailed study. There was no good reason and the given reasons were crap.

So now France and Turkey are facing off over Libya? Turkey has no business in Libya. Turkey has also been making more trouble over Cyprus and oil drilling rights.

And recently another large incursion into Iraq slaughtering Kurds...

Why we put up with the fricken Turks and Euroclowns anymore I just do not understand...the former are led by a self-pimping POS wanting to restore the Ottoman Empire and the latter are just simps eager to be vassals of Russia...


The most fair thing I can say about the Turks is they are competing with Russia for control of countries in the region...frankly all three can kick each others asses silly for all I care...the latter being zip.  Short of keeping The Ditch and PG free and open...and no hog-piling on Israel who just wants to exists unmolested...all the rest can hang!

I do not care either. Every problem in the world is not our problem. I turned against NATO when they moved East toward Russia.

I used to listen to the Duran even though they are long winded. I may start again as they may cover this story about Turkey and Libya and France. I was surprised to learn that Ghaddafi was a pretty good leader for the region.  I do not know much about Assad but he is better than AQ and ISIS who9m the US was backing.
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2020, 04:55:24 PM »

The Duran had a 30 minute video on the Libya mess



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#Libya #Turkey #Greece
Libya and the East Med Pipeline | Part 1| The Duran
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https://youtu.be/fjjvu--VYv8
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2020, 02:25:26 PM »


What a CF! France is on one side and Turkey is on the other, both NATO members. We can thank Obama for destroying Libya.


https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/06/how_did_russia_get_into_a_proxy_war_with_turkey_in_libya.html
June 22, 2020
How did Russia get into a proxy war with Turkey in Libya?
By Nikola Mikovic
The Libyan proxy war over the control of the country's oil and gas reserves could intensify if Russia and Turkey do not make a deal on the future of the strategically important city of Sirte.

The Moscow-backed Libyan National Army (LNA) and the Ankara-backed Government of National Accord (GNA) are actively preparing for a battle that could be a turning point in this phase of the conflict.

The two nations are not the only foreign powers involved in the Libyan civil war. Libya is a de facto partitioned country where the LNA, backed by Russia, Greece, Egypt, France, and the United Arab Emirates, controls most of the Libyan territory, including the majority of oilfields and gas reservoirs.

The GNA, which is the U.N.-recognized government, is backed by Turkey, Italy, and Qatar. Its forces recently made significant progress by regaining areas south and east of the capital, Tripoli.

The two sides are expected to get involved in fierce fighting for control over the oil-rich province of Sirte, which is the route that one has to control to dominate the ports of Sidra, Ras Lanuf, Marsa al-Brega and Zuwetina, where 11 oil pipelines and three gas conduits reach the Mediterranean coast.
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2020, 03:31:09 PM »
It is a sh!tshow...

None of those clowns should be in Libya...

And the Libyan people if they had any sense would tell both LNA & GNA and their allies to FO...

And yeah B. Hussein O and his BS Arab Spring made things exponentially worse...but he did what sugardaddy Soros and the DeepState/CronyCapitalist globalists wanted...

So everybody on the planet has cause to rise up and slay everyone associated with the cabalists...

Sh!tshow extraordinaire...

Welcome to latter day Earth...
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2020, 09:01:59 PM »
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How did Russia get into a proxy war with Turkey in Libya?

How?

Hillary.

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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2020, 08:57:15 AM »
Heh, this is good!

"The United States is defending a lot of countries that are delinquent in what they are supposed to be paying," the president said. Confirming that the US would be withdrawing troops from Germany, Trump claimed that Germany owed "close to a trillion dollars” to Nato "when you add it all up."
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/trump-claims-germany-owes-1-trillion-nato-obligations

Likely understated...plus, what did they ever repay for The Marshall Plan?

And sure...if I were a dogface I'd rather be in Poland than Germany too...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-military-shuffle-germany-poland-imminent

...and no I don't care if the Rooskies piss themselves and go on rants...

...but the better FU to Germany is a full pull out and a redeployment stateside.

This is a tough one for me because NATO is no longer needed...but Eastern Europe knows what domination and oppression is like and I sympathize with them...there has to be a different kind of agreement with them that doesn't require significant troops.
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2020, 08:28:20 AM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/france-suspends-role-nato-naval-mission-outraged-over-turkish-aggression

OK, let's cheer them on!

Fight!  Fight!  Fight!

Fight!  Fight!  Fight!

Article 5 anxiety?  Just STFU and pick a side, schmuck!

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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2020, 08:43:20 PM »
  Constant state of outrage.......how Continental.    ::effu::
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2020, 09:21:32 AM »
I find this highly compelling and dare I say exciting...but also a bit annoying that I didn't see this angle developing and instead learn of it from Russophile Tom who's constantly removing Putin from his chin...

But, the central logic of the end to this means seems quite tantalizing...

And so Nordstream 2 became a big geopolitical football because Merkel saw, as well, the opportunity to bring the recalcitrant Poles and Baltics under her control as well, solidifying long-term EU plans to engulf all of Euope to Russia’s borders.

Nordstream 2 would nominally replace Ukrainian gas supplies and she could set Germany up to be the gas transit hub, supporting political power emanating from Brussels.

This would give her leverage over Poland, who are trapped between their hatred of the Russians and their unwillingness, rightfully, to submit to Germany.

But Merkel, ever the deft three-faced keeper of the status quo, worked with Putin to secure gas flows through Ukraine for another five years, allaying the worst of Poland’s fears while they have courted Trump to bring in over-priced U.S. LNG.

But from the beginning, Nordstream 2 becomes a different animal geopolitically the moment Trump comes to power. Because Trump is opposed to the EU’s consolidating power over Europe while also sucking the U.S. dry on trade and defense.

He’s made this abundantly clear.

Since the beginning of the year Trump has ratcheted up the pressure on both China and the EU. And the only way that makes any sense is if you are willing to see them as allies in undermining the U.S.’s global position.

This isn’t to say that the U.S.’s global position should remain as it is. Far be it for me, of all people, to argue that. But with the insanity of the COVID-19 fake pandemic, the World Economic Forum’s plans for The Great Reset, and the fomenting a cultural revolution in the U.S. the stakes are now as high as they’ve ever been.

The Davos Crowd is making their big move to consolidate power in Europe. Trump is working with Boris Johnson in the U.K. to oppose that. That’s the simplified version of the chess board.

And this is why I think Trump refuses to give up on stopping Nordstream 2. He’s seen the depths to which The Davos Crowd will go to implement this radical change and he’s forcing the moment to its crisis, as T.S. Eliot put it.

He’s making the choice very clear for Merkel and company. If you want Nordstream 2, suffer the consequences of having to do business without the U.S.


This isn’t about Russia anymore, at all. It’s about Germany and the future of the U.S. If Trump loses in November all of the work done to slow down this push for transnational technocratic oligarchy will end.

If he wins then the current policy sticks, the EU is forced to deal with the U.S. retrenching completely, pulling back on commitments to Europe while divorcing U.S. trade from China.

He may actually be courting lower U.S. dollar flow the world over and forcing Europe into real economic crisis by early next year.

This sanctions policy against Nordstream 2 is consistent with his ‘snap’ decision to pull troops out of Germany, his unilateral abrogation of both the INF treaty and the JCPOA while pressuring NATO to do more.

Merkel, meanwhile, is trying to run out the clock on both Trump and Brexit, as I talked about in my podcast from last week. She’s hoping that Trump will be defeated which will set things back to the way they were before him, force U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson to knuckle under in trade deal talks and establish the primacy of the EU as the center of Western power.

Putin, for his part, doesn’t care who he deals with in the long run. He can’t afford to. He has to play the cards on the table in front of him with the people in power, since Russia is still a minor player but with big potential.

For Trump, I believe he sees Nordstream 2 as the perfect wedge issue to break open the stalemate over NATO and cut Germany loose or bring Merkel to heel.

This next round of sanctions will target the companies involved directly in the pipeline. Germany can’t afford not to finish Nordstream 2. So, we are headed for an epic clash here.


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-using-nord-stream-2-exit-nato

Well, the arrogant Eurocrats led by the nose by Merkel are not going to relent...screw Germany, screw Brussels, screw NATO...screw 'em all.

We and Britain and anybody sane left on the continent can be pals...we don't need the EuroSocialist elite or the drain on our resources any longer...time to end this stupidity.

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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2020, 08:41:09 AM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/message-turkey-france-egypt-conduct-joint-naval-exercises-mediterranean



3 equal parts of morons the sum of which equals the pansies posting this drivel...

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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2020, 08:01:17 PM »
   How nice. ::bus::
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2020, 08:37:41 AM »
More reason to pull out of a ungrateful Western Europe...

Caution - Lapdog Euro Russophile perspective - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nordstream-2-splits-western-world

#6 for certain & #7 (as far as Trump policy if followed) is BS...and this one is a complete joke - [8] Western Europe has long striven to emancipate itself from American guardianship.

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Right!  LOL!  OK, put down the crack pipe or correct whatever the hell your damage is and listen!  Those feckless spoiled little Eurosh!ts cannot emancipate their heads from their rectums!  If they were self-sufficient economically, militarily and politically WE WOULD NOT NEED TO BE THERE AFTER WE SAVED THEIR ASSES IN WWII AND REPAIRED THEIR WAR TORN NATIONS ON OUR DIME!  Still, we have to shame them into paying their paltry NATO dues...President Trump just a day or two ago had to verbally slap that Stasi slut Merkel upside the head for stiffing us AGAIN!

Oh, and as far as this Baltic crap goes...real safe passages there, calm weather, soft bottoms...totally impossible for natural (or assisted natural) disasters to occur...good luck with your una-brow bride.

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