Topic: Ol Remus has a few words for you ......

[Pandora]

Remus also tires of the innocents who believe the armed forces wouldn't fire on their countrymen. Maybe not most as of this moment, but this ain't the 1950s with civilian soldiers doing their bit. Think of the tens of thousands of green card soldiers. And remember "our boys" in the Guard going door to door in New Orleans—a local disaster—disarming the citizenry on the say-so of the mayor. Ask what their oath to support and defend the Constitution meant then. Think about what they'd have done had some hard case fired on them when they crashed through the door.

http://www.woodpilereport.com/html/index-218.htm

Green card soldiers?  Immigrant soldiers: Record number naturalized in past year, most since 1955

[charlesoakwood]

1932 not a big greencard year.  WWI vets had been promised a war bounus, a war bonus was common - it had been given to participating soldiers in every major military event including the War for Independence.   No bonus, a long time thorn to some, and the depression resulted in the "bonus march" and "Hooverville" a tent city outside the capitol.  MacArthur ordered, and Eisenhower and Patton carried out orders which totally disbursed the the protestors in most violent fashion.  From horseback they were ran off the streets their tents and belongings destroyed and physically ran out of town.  These veterans who had just saved Europe and the US were attacked by their own.  If you are in the military you follow orders.

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http://gunnyg.wordpress.com/2009/01/18/1932-bonus-march-re-patton-macarthur-eisenhower-etc/
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A force of about 600 – cavalrymen and infantrymen with a few tanks – advanced to the scene under the leadership of Chief of Staff MacArthur in person, two other generals, and, among junior officers, two whose names would in due course become much more familiar, Majors Dwight D. Eisenhower and George S. Patton, Jr.
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MacArthur ignored the president’s orders, taking no prisoners and driving tattered protesters from their encampment. No shots were fired, but many were injured by bricks, clubs and bayonets. After Hoover ordered a halt to the army’s march, MacArthur again took things into his own hands, violently clearing the Anacostia campsite, killing three marchers and wounding many.
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One of the first federal officers to arrive in Washington, D.C., was Major George S. Patton. His cavalry troops met up with infantry at the Ellipse, near the White House. Patton and the federal troops, equipped with gas masks, bayonets and sabers, marched up Pennsylvania Avenue, firing gas grenades and charging and subduing the angry crowd. Later that night, Patton and the federal troops cleared out the marchers’ camp in Anacostia, with some tents and shacks catching fire in the process. Although there are conflicting reports on which side started the fires, some of the marchers’ shacks burned down. By the following morning, most marchers had left Washington, but the incident left bitter memories and affected Patton deeply. He called it the “most distasteful form of service” and later wrote several papers on how federal troops could restore order quickly with the least possible bloodshed.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_March

The Bonus Army was the popular name of an assemblage of some 43,000 marchers—17,000 World War I veterans, their families, and affiliated groups—who gathered in Washington, D.C., in the spring and summer of 1932 to demand immediate cash-payment redemption of their service certificates. Its organizers called it the Bonus Expeditionary Force to echo the name of World War I's American Expeditionary Force, while the media called it the Bonus March. It was led by Walter W. Waters, a former Army sergeant.
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The marchers remained at their campsite waiting for President Hoover to act. On July 28, 1932, Attorney General Mitchell ordered the police to remove the Bonus Army veterans from their camp. When the veterans moved back into it, they rushed two policeman trapped on the second floor of a building. The cornered police drew their revolvers and shot two veterans, William Hushka and Eric Carlson, who died later.[8] When told of this, President Hoover ordered the army to evict the Bonus Army from Washington.

At 4:45 p.m., commanded by Gen. Douglas MacArthur, the 12th Infantry Regiment, Fort Howard, Maryland, and the 3rd Cavalry Regiment, supported by six battle tanks commanded by Maj. George S. Patton, formed in Pennsylvania Avenue while thousands of civil service employees left work to line the street and watch. The Bonus Marchers, believing the troops were marching in their honor, cheered the troops until Patton ordered the cavalry to charge them—an action which prompted the spectators to yell, "Shame! Shame!"

After the cavalry charged, the infantry, with fixed bayonets and adamsite gas, an arsenical vomiting agent, entered the camps, evicting veterans, families, and camp followers. The veterans fled across the Anacostia River to their largest camp and President Hoover ordered the assault stopped. However Gen. MacArthur, feeling the Bonus March was a Communist attempt to overthrow the U.S. government, ignored the President and ordered a new attack. Fifty-five veterans were injured and 135 arrested.[8] A veteran's wife miscarried. When 12-week-old Bernard Myers died in the hospital after being caught in the tear gas attack, a government investigation reported he died of enteritis, while a hospital spokesman said the tear gas "didn't do it any good."[9]

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[Sectionhand]

Upon hearing about the carnage , Franklin Roosevelt said to an associate ; "I think I just won the election ." And he was right . But did HE see that the bonus was paid ? Of course not ! He knew as did Hoover that the expenditure required was out of the question at the time . That's politics .

[charlesoakwood]

Upon hearing about the carnage , Franklin Roosevelt said to an associate ; "I think I just won the election ." And he was right . But did HE see that the bonus was paid ? Of course not ! He knew as did Hoover that the expenditure required was out of the question at the time . That's politics .

Yup, as will be "quieting" the dissenting rabble against the new Democratic Socialism. 

"That's politics."

[Pandora]

1932's attack on the Bonus Army was narrowly targeted; "However Gen. MacArthur, feeling the Bonus March was a Communist attempt to overthrow the U.S. government."

Remus' point is that today's government has been overthrown by Communists, it's military infiltrated by those who do not hold to the Constitution and reinforced by affirmative action appointees and civilian para-military police groups who will turn on the civilian population as a whole.

[charlesoakwood]

Yup, both times, military vs civilian.  The military, commie or capitalist, follows orders.

[Weisshaupt]

Yup, both times, military vs civilian.  The military, commie or capitalist, follows orders.

Only if they get paid.  If the govt can't pay in money,  they will pay in food, and if not that, in a license to loot and rape. And there will be enough actual americans in the ranks to sabotage equipment and keep the big guns from being deployed.

Thank God for the second amendment.  It ensures the victims will also make them pay in blood..