Topic: New Hampshire Debate 1-7-2012

[trapeze]

John Florida: logs in on 1/3/2012 7:49 pm (ct).
John Florida: logs off on 1/3/2012 7:50 pm (ct).
 IronDioPriest: logs in on 1/4/2012 2:06 am (ct).
 trapeze: logs in on 1/7/2012 8:13 pm (ct).
 trapeze: Ron Paul is such a boob.
 trapeze: Santorum is under the microscope as he should be after a strong finish in Iowa.
 trapeze: Santorum needs to stop being on defense with Paul. He needs to point out that Paul isn't a Republican
 trapeze: Perry points out that he isn't a Washington insider.
 trapeze: Perry calls Paul out on getting earmarks in bills and then voting against them.
 trapeze: Paul sidesteps it.
 trapeze: Paul goes after Santorum again. Paul is such an ass.
 trapeze:
 trapeze: BTW...I am guess the reason that I am solo here in the chat room is because of the New Orleans/Detroit NFL playoff game running at the same time. Way to go Republicans. The stupid party.
 trapeze: Huntsman just looks slimy and greasy. Plus he's a . He looks as forceful as a wet paper towel.
 Charles Oakwood: logs in on 1/7/2012 8:22 pm (ct).
 Charles Oakwood: Hey, there's life, I was at Zippers
 trapeze: Dianne Sawyer and George Stephanopolous...ugh. I wouldn't let them sponsor any Republican debate.
 trapeze:
 Charles Oakwood: Perry said Tea Party
John Florida: logs in on 1/7/2012 8:23 pm (ct).
 trapeze: Romney looks pretty damn strong in this debate. No one is really going after him properly.
 Charles Oakwood: Hey JF
John Florida: hey CO.
John Florida: Huntman is being his usaul dud,
 Charles Oakwood: logs in on 1/7/2012 8:24 pm (ct).
 trapeze: The software edited my comment on Huntsman...I said he is a p u s s y.
 Charles Oakwood: yup
 Charles Oakwood: Asked for 20 comments I get 3
John Florida: I think Perry is the only one there that wore a uniform.
 Charles Oakwood: He's being mean to Obama
 trapeze: No, Paul was a flight surgeon or something
John Florida: On what a space ship?
 Charles Oakwood: Hey Mitt, my daddy served too
 trapeze: I think he served in the Korean war. Not sure.
 trapeze: He's still a douche.
 Charles Oakwood: excuse me, Hey, gNewt my daddy served too
 Charles Oakwood: here he go
 trapeze: That "chicken hawk" crap is total bull s h i t.
 Charles Oakwood: what's the key command for send
John Florida: The man just bores me to death.
 Charles Oakwood: zzzzzzzzz
 trapeze: Gingrich slams Paul.
John Florida: I have a pet peave too and you rub me the wrong way.
 Charles Oakwood: gNewt had to have sought a deferment
 trapeze: Finally, the Ron Paul newsletters.
 trapeze: What a liar.
 Charles Oakwood: hear the chickens flying home
 trapeze: MLK was a libertarian? I thought he was a commie
John Florida: you didn't write but your name was on them.and King was a Repub not a libertarian.
 Charles Oakwood: His family was Republican till the Kennedy's suckedup
John Florida: going for the black vote?
 trapeze: Dianne Sawyer appear to not be so heavily sedated tonight.
 trapeze: She must have snorted a lot of coke before the debate started.
 Charles Oakwood: soft focus for the close ups
 trapeze: So, that's it for the newsletters? He gets to lie about them and there is no followup?
 Charles Oakwood: There's no reason for actual candidates to engage.
 trapeze: And now, after ten minutes of commercials...
 Charles Oakwood: Contraception is major national issue
 Charles Oakwood: Romney: stuff the unelected judges?
 trapeze: Stephanopolous is stuck on stupid
 Charles Oakwood: What's the question?
 Charles Oakwood: Diane, the gay pill.
 trapeze: Oops...Sawyer is sedated. My bad.
John Florida: Newt nailed that.
 Charles Oakwood: Civil unions is fair says the diplomat
 Charles Oakwood: Can fags adopt?
 trapeze: Good grief...sex stuff is pretty damn important...who knew?
 trapeze: I would have thought that we would be talking about the economy and foreign affairs.
 trapeze: Why doesn't one of these candidates discuss how the president is violating the constitution?
 Charles Oakwood: This is a very queer night.
 trapeze: This isn't a debate. It's a group interrogation.
John Florida: why is marriage the only way they can do it is by getting married??
John Florida: What was I thinking?
 Charles Oakwood: Because it helps screw things up better
 trapeze: Gay couples can't have children
 trapeze: they have to buy them.
 Charles Oakwood: But they do screw things up. All 2% of them.
John Florida: go Newt go!!!!
 Charles Oakwood: gNewt's nailing it
 trapeze: Home run for Newt.
 Charles Oakwood: s force Catholic church out of adoptive services
 Charles Oakwood: f a g g o t s
 trapeze: I am really tempted to go back to watching the football game.
 Charles Oakwood: It started well
 Charles Oakwood: Let's talk money
 Charles Oakwood: says Paul
 trapeze: Kudos to Paul for complaining about the direction of the debate.
 Charles Oakwood: Perry, this admin. war on religion
 trapeze: Sawyer is slurring her speech?
 Charles Oakwood: Af gaaan is staaan
John Florida: zzzzzzz
 Charles Oakwood: WAKE UP
 Charles Oakwood: They don't want to give the contenders too much time
 Charles Oakwood: Lecture 33
 trapeze: Huntsman: I'm not sending anyone to war unless they can come back alive.
 Charles Oakwood: fundamentally
 Charles Oakwood: I'd send troops back in a lead hot minute. B52s too
 trapeze: They need to be nuked. Sorry, but that's the truth.
 Charles Oakwood: Neutron
 trapeze: Santorum is the best about recognizing the muslim threat
 Charles Oakwood: Steffie swallowed his tongue. NOW?
 trapeze: I would like to see Perry move up in the polls
 Charles Oakwood: Yes Iran is moving back in.
 trapeze: I see Romney, Santorum and Perry as the most serious of the candidates.
 trapeze: Not necessarily in that order.
 Charles Oakwood: Yup
 Charles Oakwood: High hurdles, he's back at the olympics.
 trapeze: I don't like Romney but I would vote for him
 Charles Oakwood: I'll vote for any of them over Cluster Bob.
 trapeze: It would be very hard but I would even vote for Paul over Obongo
 trapeze: Because Paul IS nuts.
 trapeze: Time to check on the game.
 trapeze: New Orleans just scored again. It was close before that.
 trapeze: Ten point NO lead.
AmericanPatriot: logs in on 1/7/2012 9:12 pm (ct).
 Charles Oakwood: hey AP
AmericanPatriot: Hey all
AmericanPatriot: Don't usally chat because my typing is glacial
 Charles Oakwood: Increasing demand on roads and bridges
 Charles Oakwood: Welcome to the ice age
AmericanPatriot: I type 5 wpm id the words are short 
 trapeze: How do we invest in anything when we are broke?
AmericanPatriot: Trap, I know the feeling
 trapeze: Romney is giving a history lecture. *yawn*
AmericanPatriot: I have set myself up on the family farmette
 Charles Oakwood: Lecture 44
 trapeze: Paul is going to pounce on this infrastructure talk.
AmericanPatriot: I have 3 acres and wish I had paid more attention to parents 50 years ago
 Charles Oakwood: Earn our way forward says Huntsman
 Charles Oakwood: The tax code doesn't make money John. Drill baby drill
 Charles Oakwood: They aren't talking about creating wealth
 Charles Oakwood: Change the paper work say Santorum
 trapeze: I will find a way to manufacture something...anything...to qualify for that break.
 trapeze: How about cutting government, boys?
 trapeze: Someone call on Perry.
 trapeze: This is Paul's strong suite.
 Charles Oakwood: Perry says wash Washington out of their hair. Drill drill drill
 trapeze: Perry has only gotten better in this format as time has progressed. Where was this passion earlier on?
 Charles Oakwood: Bad handlers?
 trapeze: Huntsman gets anecdotal...time to snooze.
 Charles Oakwood: Sounds like a Bachmann story.
 trapeze: Sounds like grass growing.
 Charles Oakwood: Romney: I don't want to be critical of you, Diane, but...
John Florida: Perry is finally putting on a show.
 Charles Oakwood: Romney at his best on this
John Florida: Obama is taking a beatin.
 trapeze: logs in on 1/7/2012 9:26 pm (ct).
 Charles Oakwood: Here comes more paper, Santorum
 trapeze: Santorum has decided to make his stand against Romney.
 Charles Oakwood: gNewt blew him a kiss the other day. When they are threatened it will open up.
 Charles Oakwood: Huntsman again
 Charles Oakwood: It's all conected.
 Charles Oakwood: Mitt steps up on Huntsman
 Charles Oakwood:  ? again
 trapeze: Huntsman speaks chinese. Why?
 trapeze: I guess he thinks that parlor trick impresses people.
 Charles Oakwood: He wants to be in the remake of Firefly.
John Florida: I'm done I can't stay awake much longer
 trapeze: We have a muslim president...it's not helping us.
John Florida: logs off on 1/7/2012 9:36 pm (ct).
 trapeze: Flipped to the NFL channel...who knew that Hyundai had a 400+ hp car? Not me.
 trapeze: back to a there point game
 trapeze: three
 trapeze: NO up by three...24 to 21
 trapeze: But then they score...back to a 10 point game.
 trapeze: Hard luck for Detroit.
 trapeze: Still...ten minutes left. Detroit can do it.
 Charles Oakwood: We are ...sooo greatttfullforthis aahhdebateee tonight
 trapeze: Oh boy, the "if you can be any kind of an animal what kind of animal would you be?" question
 Charles Oakwood: No question about barrels.
 trapeze: They short change the candidates so they can include "analysis" without cutting into anymore of their programming time? What jerks.
AmericanPatriot: Go Saints (I guess)
 trapeze: Okay. I'm gonna archive this thing and then exit.
 trapeze: Thanks for participating

[trapeze]

Yeah, Romney wins by default.

[charlesoakwood]

Thank you, we have already counted your vote.
Newt Gingrich  10.53%  (2 votes)  
Rick Perry  5.26%  (1 votes)  
Rick Santorum  57.89%  (11 votes)  
Mitt Romney  26.32%  (5 votes)  
Ron Paul  0%  (0 votes)  
Jon Huntsman  0%  (0 votes)  
 
Total Votes: 19
 
Total Votes: 4
http://weaselzippers.us/2012/01/07/live-thread-gop-new-hampshire-debate/#comment-454634

[trapeze]

And yeah, it was a crappy debate. They will blame the candidates but the credit really belongs to George and Dianne. They sucked just like last time. Dianne was nearly as drugged out but she clearly chugged a bunch of cough syrup or something...more a matter of degree of dopiness...last time it was like she was on quaaludes. You just want to smack her. George was an absolute ass for burning up twenty minutes with an absolutely stupid question about birth control and states' rights.

[trapeze]

Thank you, we have already counted your vote.
Newt Gingrich  10.53%  (2 votes) 
Rick Perry  5.26%  (1 votes) 
Rick Santorum  57.89%  (11 votes) 
Mitt Romney  26.32%  (5 votes) 
Ron Paul  0%  (0 votes) 
Jon Huntsman  0%  (0 votes) 
 
Total Votes: 19
 
Total Votes: 4
http://weaselzippers.us/2012/01/07/live-thread-gop-new-hampshire-debate/#comment-454634

Just looked at that page...35 voted and none for Huntsman.

[charlesoakwood]

The candidates were ready to go and the mods bogged it.

[trapeze]

I really don't care what Donna Brazille thinks about anything. This is a Republican debate...there should be only Republican analysts.

[charlesoakwood]

It's not Donna's fault, it's the GOP's fault but they don't think
it's a fault; it's the way they want it.  If conservatives put on
a debate the candidates would come.  But conservatives with
the wherewithall are chicken so we're stuck with freak shows
staged by retired circus geeks.

[trapeze]

Ed Morrisey's take:

Since we have another debate tomorrow, I probably shouldn’t wait to give my thoughts on the one tonight. To channel my inner Newt — frankly, I thought it was fundamentally awful. In the first hour of the debate, ABC managed to waste about a quarter of the time on states banning contraception, which was a pressing issue as recently as … 1965. Mitt Romney reamed out George Stephanopoulos for fixating on contraception, and eventually Diane Sawyer shut him down on it. Then both of them went on a long series about gay marriage, which is another issue that is nowhere near the top, oh, 50 issues in American life today. Newt Gingrich ended up asking ABC why it isn’t pursuing anti-Catholic bigotry in media and government, one of his best moments in the debate, and we eventually spent a lot of time talking about jobs. Ha, ha, I kid, of course; that subject was barely mentioned by ABC and had to be repeatedly referenced by the candidates instead.

LINK

[trapeze]

Morrisey linked this guy who had, among other things, this to say about tonight's embarrassment...

ABC News earned special mention tonight, unfortunately.  The network's news division is home to many excellent professionals whose work I admire, but tonight was an epic flop.  Diane Sawyer was strangely giggly.  George Stephanopolous belabored an absurd hypothetical point about the Constitutionality of banning contraception -- to the point that the audience became vocally impatient.  The local anchor from WMUR-TV at times seemed more interested in listening to his own mellifluous broadcaster's voice than anything else.  ABC's decision to devote a prime, lengthy segment to relentlessly pounding away at hot-button issue social questions was indefensible.  Twenty-five million Americans are unemployed or under-employed.  Others have given up looking for work.  Our national debt has reached 100 percent of GDP.   Entitlements are growing at a head-spinningly unsustainable rate.  Yet the journalists at ABC decided that 15 minutes on gay rights and birth control questions was the best use of the candidates' and viewers' time.  These are complicated and not insignificant questions, of course, but they absolutely do not merit the attention they were afforded tonight.  The DNC should mail the anchors flowers for their undue and distracting attention to peripheral, contentious wedge issues that seemed designed to make Republicans look uncaring and mean.  Also strange were the anchors' repeated non-questions to the candidates.  For example, one presidential hopeful would wrap up an answer, prompting Stephanopolous or Sawyer to simply turn to one of his rivals and say, "Governor?" Several candidates chuckled and wondered aloud if there was an actual question being asked.  One final point for ABC: You have a top-flight, tough, plugged-in political correspondent named Jake Tapper.  Use him.  I'd be willing to bet that a great many Republican voters who watched tonight's telecast would rate its broadcast host as the overwhelming loser of the evening.  Too bad.

[trapeze]

Michael Barone's opinion of the debate...

At about 10:28pm tonight, as Mitt Romney pivoted from a question on tax loopholes and started in with, “the real issue is vision,” I had recorded this thought in my notes, “He just clinched the nomination.”

Romney said, as he often has, that Barack Obama has put America on the road to decline and is trying to make America more like Europe. He made reference to the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, as he often has—which helps to explain why he polls about as well with supporters of the tea party movement, who revered and often reference the Founding documents, as with non-supporters—and proclaimed that the question in this election was whether America was going to remain “a unique nation”and whether it would “return to the principles on which it was founded.” To which Newt Gingrich then meekly concurred, adding some caveats.

The only things following were an interchange between Jon Huntsman and Romney on how we should deal with China, in which Romney held his own and then, after the commercial break, the silly question about what you’d be doing on Saturday night if you weren’t running for president and debating.

Romney’s performance throughout showed discipline, preparation and also the ability to adapt to circumstances in a way that was superior to that of any other candidate. The only exception was his astonished reaction to George Stephanopoulos’s attempt to get the candidates to join Rick Santorum’s urge to relitigate the 1965 Griswold v. Connecticut case which, on ridiculously spurious constitutional grounds, overturned that state’s unenforced law (Massachusetts still had a similar one on the books) purporting to ban the sale of contraceptives. Stephanopoulos, who otherwise has made an almost Russert-like transition from partisan operative to fair-minded journalist, seemed to be trying to get the Republican candidates in trouble; the audience’s boos were an indication that many people were onto this (uncharacteristic, for him) partisan gameplaying.

Romney was prepared at the beginning to attack Barack Obama as a job-destroyer, to proclaim that he was not just a manager, as Rick Santorum claimed, but a leader, to come out with a claim (which I had not seen him make earlier) that his work in private equity created, net, 100,000 jobs. Perhaps that will be debunked by others, and you can quibble about whether he deserves credit for job growth in firms he created or helped run after they had been sold to others; but if it can be defended (as I suspect it can) it’s impressive: how many other private citizens have played key roles in creating 100,000 jobs? Romney mostly (I think entirely) avoided attacking other candidates and wasn’t on the receiving end of many attacks after he parried Rick Santorum’s attempt to dismiss him as a manager.

He said much more and you can read it here. I respect Barone's opinions on presidential campaign politics more than just about anyone's so I hope he's wrong about Romney.

[trapeze]

Top Twenty Snarky Tweets Regarding The Inane Questions Posed By Dianne Sawyer

[trapeze]

The Daily Caller eviscerates Stephanopolous....

ABC News commentator George Stephanopoulos directed pointed, hard-edged questions to Republican presidential candidates during Saturday night’s New Hampshire debate, often attacking without providing evidence to justify his broadsides.

When questioning former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, Stephanopoulos, a former senior advisor in the administration of Democratic President Bill Clinton, premised some inquiries on the assertion — offered without supporting facts — that Romney’s job-creation statistics were inaccurate.

“Now, there have been questions about that calculation of 100,000 jobs. So if you could explain it a little more,” Stephanopoulos asked Romney of the former governor’s claims about jobs created by companies he has helmed. “I’ve read some analysts who look at it and say that you’re counting the jobs that were created but not counting the jobs that were taken away. Is that accurate?”

“No, it’s not accurate,” Romney bluntly responded. “It includes the net of both. I’m a good enough numbers guy to make sure I got both sides of that.”

Stephanopoulos did not cite any analysts by name.

[IronDioPriest]

John Florida: I think Perry is the only one there that wore a uniform.
 Charles Oakwood: He's being mean to Obama
 trapeze: No, Paul was a flight surgeon or something
John Florida: On what a space ship?

 

[charlesoakwood]

Thank you, we have already counted your vote.
Newt Gingrich  10.53%  (2 votes)  
Rick Perry  5.26%  (1 votes)  
Rick Santorum  57.89%  (11 votes)  
Mitt Romney  26.32%  (5 votes)  
Ron Paul  0%  (0 votes)  
Jon Huntsman  0%  (0 votes)  
  
Total Votes: 19
 
Total Votes: 4
http://weaselzippers.us/2012/01/07/live-thread-gop-new-hampshire-debate/#comment-454634

Just looked at that page...35 voted and none for Huntsman.

Update: Live video over, poll added.
Thank you, we have already counted your vote.

Newt Gingrich  31.71%  (416 votes)  
Rick Perry  12.73%  (167 votes)  
Rick Santorum  30.34%  (398 votes)  
Mitt Romney  18.75%  (246 votes)  
Ron Paul  5.34%  (70 votes)  
Jon Huntsman  1.14%  (15 votes)  
 
Total Votes: 1,312


ETA: Attorney General Pam Bondi (FL?) just endorsed Romney.

[radioman]

What poll is this?

[Libertas]

Doesn't sound like I missed much...

[Libertas]

 

I don't know what is more ridiculous...

These "top 3" -

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/01/ppp-romney-at-percent-paul-and-huntsman-nearly-tied-110120.html

Or the crap coming out of this libtard's mouth -

http://tv.breitbart.com/exclusive-msnbcs-odonnell-says-obama-doesnt-want-to-run-against-romney/

As the latter is SOP for JurnoTard's and the former is depressing as all hell, I'll give the nod to the Three Stooges...

 

[charlesoakwood]

I heard about the Russian propaganda machines Pravda (truth) & Izvestia (news)
during the cold war, it was amusing.  The Russian people said you could understand
what was happening by what was not said or by inverting what was said.  Comedians
did 'stand ups' and movies used the joke; today we are the butt of the joke.