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Re: Rush's show today 3-5-12
« Reply #60 on: March 06, 2012, 11:11:04 AM »
Ok, I got through the list. Now going to make sure my family does their part.
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Re: Rush's show today 3-5-12
« Reply #61 on: March 06, 2012, 11:40:08 AM »
I can say from a perspective inside the radio advertising business that it has become very specialized in a bad way, to the point where potential radio advertisers are increasingly becoming companies that seek one-time impulse buyers, or are offering products or services that will rope people into a monthly credit card charge.

The industry has become almost exclusively what they call "direct response" advertising. You hear the ad, and you're asked on the spot to call an 800 number or visit a .com. The success of the campaign is based entirely upon the response to those 800#s or urls. Repetition is still in play, but the nature of the response they seek is immediate, rather than part of a long-term marketing strategy. This severely limits the kinds of companies who advertise on the radio, to the point where it's almost exclusively companies that offer things most people don't want, but who view the success of a campaign on a "sales per day per market based on response" criteria.

The "legitimate" companies - Sleep Number, Rosetta Stone, Oreck, etc - advertise on a prominent national show like Limbaugh's. The others - male enhancement, miracle skin cream, collector coins, etc - are the clients procured by the local affiliates.

My point here is that the "legitimate" companies looking to advertise nationally on a show like Limbaugh's are finite. Direct response radio doesn't work for every product, or every business model.

From my perspective, now that I've seen the advertiser fallout, it is clear why Limbaugh apologized. A commercial radio program only remains viable so long as advertisers are willing to spend. Limbaugh has so far commanded the highest-buck players among direct response advertising clients. If he loses them all, he'll have to replace them, and that will not be as easy as we think. The Rush Limbaugh Show as we know it will not survive pitching prostate tablets and glorified car wash tokens sold as "mint collector coins".
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Re: Rush's show today 3-5-12
« Reply #62 on: March 06, 2012, 11:42:27 AM »
Thanks for the "mean girls" link Weisshaupt - very interesting.

I was dismayed and totally caught off-guard when Rush issued his apology. I really didn't expect it. I always figure that like a pool player Rush is thinking seven plays ahead of the current one and his use of the word slut was calculated for effect. I now know that it wasn't.

When I spar with the libs I try to be as precise as possible so as not to get out-maneuvered by the bastards. I may get tripped up on a fact here and there but usually when the "catch me" it is a grammatical error and not a flaw in my reasoning. This is why I wouldn't have used the term - I don't know (and couldn't know from the limited context) if she personally was that sort of person or not. What I do know is that Rush was effectively correct in that fluke argued for sluttism in general. The "right" to promiscuity without responsibility or consequence. What she demands is wrong and we shouldn't back down from that.

And no - I'm not abandoning Rush. Just recognizing for hie weaknesses as well as his strengths.

And telling him to keep his eye on the ball dammit!
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Ditto!

And -

Weisshaupt- "My heart is hardened against them.  There is no doubt in my mind that if given a button that would kill everyone who voted for Obama dead, I would push it before you got done explaining how it worked.  When this finally goes down, pleas for mercy will be ignored."

Yup, mercy?  I’ll give them as good as they gave.
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And point taken IDP, thus, Rush ought to go New Media and bypass the censors!
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Re: Rush's show today 3-5-12
« Reply #63 on: March 06, 2012, 12:01:31 PM »
More on the whore -

"I’m also a past president of Georgetown Law Students for Reproductive Justice or LSRJ."
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/revealed-abortion-agenda-of-campus-group-headed-by-sandra-fluke/

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Re: Rush's show today 3-5-12
« Reply #65 on: March 06, 2012, 12:29:16 PM »

Don't Worry, Folks: Advertisers Who Don't Want Your Business Will Be Replaced
March 05, 2012


They will undoubtedly be replaced. The question is, with what will they be replaced, at what effort, and what expense or loss of revenue?

Rush Limbaugh doesn't apologize. The only other apology I can remember is when he was discovered to have been addicted to drugs and procuring them illegally. That was a legitimate cause for an apology. Calling Sandra Fluke a slut would not have ever been, until now. There is a motivation for the apology other than a pang of conscience. I'm pointing to the most logical one, based on my understanding of how the game is played. I may be dead wrong, but I don't think so. I think the apology boils down to dollars and cents, period.
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Re: Rush's show today 3-5-12
« Reply #66 on: March 06, 2012, 12:44:22 PM »
I appreciated your perspective, IDP. 

That it's about the money doesn't make his apology a mistake.  He has to think of others besides himself that have a job because of him.

I thought it was interesting that Fluke didn't accept the apology (did that change? I haven't heard) because the left doesn't want an apology from Rush.  An apology should be enough in this case but as Carbonite shows it's not about what he said.   
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Re: Rush's show today 3-5-12
« Reply #69 on: March 06, 2012, 01:59:08 PM »
These companies have the prominence of Rush Limbaugh and other conservative talkers to thank for their success. Maybe that will hit them square in the sack.

Wouldn't it be grand if even one of them came crawling back? "...We never ended our relationship with Rush Limbaugh... we just "suspended" it indefinitely..."
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Re: Rush's show today 3-5-12
« Reply #70 on: March 06, 2012, 02:24:11 PM »
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I recognize that on some level it's all a game but if we don't step up to the board the left will take all the pieces and declare themselves the winner.

You and I see this as childish games but to the left it is life or death. And the stakes could be that high if we let them get away with it. I would never advocate banning leftists from being able to speak their minds - no matter how imbecilic it comes out. But it is their primary modus operandi to stifle the voices of opposition.

Not only was Rush's apology worthless to them - it was a red flag to step up their efforts to have him banned and crucified. This is only tangentially about Rush and all about the First Amendment - even the right to stupid or ill-considered speech. They can complain and protest Rush's choice of words all they want, but if they try to silence them I will go them stroke for stroke....and then some.


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Re: Rush's show today 3-5-12
« Reply #72 on: March 06, 2012, 07:36:04 PM »
LadyVirginia:

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I recognize that on some level it's all a game but if we don't step up to the board the left will take all the pieces and declare themselves the winner.

You and I see this as childish games but to the left it is life or death. And the stakes could be that high if we let them get away with it. I would never advocate banning leftists from being able to speak their minds - no matter how imbecilic it comes out. But it is their primary modus operandi to stifle the voices of opposition.

Not only was Rush's apology worthless to them - it was a red flag to step up their efforts to have him banned and crucified. This is only tangentially about Rush and all about the First Amendment - even the right to stupid or ill-considered speech. They can complain and protest Rush's choice of words all they want, but if they try to silence them I will go them stroke for stroke....and then some.



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Re: Rush's show today 3-5-12
« Reply #74 on: March 06, 2012, 10:02:54 PM »
Netflix is now one of the advertisers to denounce Rush and affirm they will not be advertising to his listeners.  This one's gonna hurt, but this evening I cancelled my Netflix account.  Our family uses Netflix nearly everyday.  I called the 800 number to tell them why I was cancelling.  I told them that I was greatly offended that by determining I'm no longer worthy of being advertised to that they were telling me they were no longer interested in having me as a customer.  The customer service lady tried to tell me that Netflix doesn't normally advertise on Rush Limbaugh's shows and due to a scheduling error, Netflix wound up as an ad on network radio during an airing of Rush's show on a couple of occasions.  Their advertisements during that slot were unintentional.  They've been getting calls from marxist operatives threatening them with cancellations which impelled them to make a public statement.  I told the customer service rep that Netflix's actions made matters worth in that context.  Telling me Netflix wouldn't in a million years intentionally advertise to the likes of me made matters worse, not better.  And in the process, they've become a party to the infringement on Rush's right to speak and my right to listen.

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Re: Rush's show today 3-5-12
« Reply #75 on: March 06, 2012, 10:10:20 PM »
Netflix is now one of the advertisers to denounce Rush and affirm they will not be advertising to his listeners.  This one's gonna hurt, but this evening I cancelled my Netflix account.  Our family uses Netflix nearly everyday.  I called the 800 number to tell them why I was cancelling.  I told them that I was greatly offended that by determining I'm no longer worthy of being advertised to that they were telling me they were no longer interested in having me as a customer.  The customer service lady tried to tell me that Netflix doesn't normally advertise on Rush Limbaugh's shows and due to a scheduling error, Netflix wound up as an ad on network radio during an airing of Rush's show on a couple of occasions.  Their advertisements during that slot were unintentional.  They've been getting calls from marxist operatives threatening them with cancellations which impelled them to make a public statement.  I told the customer service rep that Netflix's actions made matters worth in that context.  Telling me Netflix wouldn't in a million years intentionally advertise to the likes of me made matters worse, not better.  And in the process, they've become a party to the infringement on Rush's right to speak and my right to listen.

You go, Ma'am.  I've not used Netflix to date but have been considering doing so and now I know they do not deserve my trade.
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Re: Rush's show today 3-5-12
« Reply #76 on: March 06, 2012, 10:28:01 PM »
*sigh* I wanted to start up with NetFlix but now I can't. And won't.
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Re: Rush's show today 3-5-12
« Reply #77 on: March 06, 2012, 10:49:24 PM »
These companies have the prominence of Rush Limbaugh and other conservative talkers to thank for their success. Maybe that will hit them square in the sack.

Wouldn't it be grand if even one of them came crawling back? "...We never ended our relationship with Rush Limbaugh... we just "suspended" it indefinitely..."

 It would be nice if other radio talk hosts dumped the advertisers in protest.
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Re: Rush's show today 3-5-12
« Reply #78 on: March 06, 2012, 10:59:24 PM »
I wonder if it ever occurred to any of these boneheads that the threats - no matter how implicit or grandiose - are all as empty as their noggins? That the practical and pragmatic thing to do would be to maintain the status-quo and watch for trends. If their sales started plummeting (ostensibly from libs actually carrying out their threats) then they could make adjustments.

Instead they went off chicken-little fashion and revealed themselves as feckless, unreliable,  and unworthy business-whores. Yes, I understand the argument; "But I don't want to get caught in the middle of an ideological war!"  Well, you silly saps, that's precisely what you did  - you took sides. Not only that, you bit the hand that fed you in favor of ones that will only pick your pockets.

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Re: Rush's show today 3-5-12
« Reply #79 on: March 06, 2012, 11:04:22 PM »
These companies have the prominence of Rush Limbaugh and other conservative talkers to thank for their success. Maybe that will hit them square in the sack.

Wouldn't it be grand if even one of them came crawling back? "...We never ended our relationship with Rush Limbaugh... we just "suspended" it indefinitely..."

 It would be nice if other radio talk hosts dumped the advertisers in protest.

What would be nice is if it was generally understood that people doing advertizing are just trying to reach an audience. Generally they  don't care about the poltics of that audience. Netflix has all kinds of movies and all kinds of shows for every audience.   The  left hates Rush and his audience, and wants to ensure that companies are forced to pick a side.  And Netflix appeased them, saying they would never let it happen again  instead of declaring that they have no interest in politics, that they wish to serve all audiences, and have no interest in trying to endorse or chill any sort of discourse with their advertizing dollars.  But no.  Instead of defending their rights to advertize as they decide,  they pick a side. Well its a war, and they picked one. F' them.  I was already mad about the price increase and dividing of the mail-disk and on-line portions of the business, and the company's arrogant stance when people complained. This is just the last nail in the coffin. Hulu and Amazon are it now I guess. Pity, because I did like their services enough to even put up with the other BS.