Topic: Just Minding my own business

[Weisshaupt]

We took the kids to a historical museum today, because they had a bunch of actors dressed up in period costumes and performing 1880s tasks. Just fun right?

So during a skit where one old-timey mining guy, who was supposed to be holding another old-timey mining guy's money, is explaining how he doesn't really owe the other guys anything using faulty math, a potbellied liberal calls out, "Sounds like Romney-omics!"  Because he is a self righteous prick, who obviously, offended my the many Gadsen Flags he saw flaying on the way up, decided he just had to interject himself and his opinions into a skit at a decidedly a-political activity in a Right Leaning county. It was a sketch about a bank robbery, so I just watied for the right moment and declared the plan to rob the bank to be Obamanomics. Both of us were rude to the actors, but I am just not going to let these assholes get away with it anymore.  He even responded "Typical Republican, always gotta turn it around" - Like I didn't have thre right to respond.  I can't wait for the day to come where I am just free to dispose of assholes like this.

[Alphabet Soup]

In a few of my discussions with candidates and activists yesterday, I struck a reoccurring theme - one that I was taught years ago.


"Do you have to get mad to get what you want?"

Think about it for a moment. We've all had times when we were fighting some unseen customer service (oxymoron!) representative on the phone. You have what you believe to be an airtight case or grievance but they are running you through the grinder hoping to discourage you enough that you give up and take it on the chin. So you become angry and use harsh words or issue threats. And then you lose.

So I learned this trick about keeping my objective clear - and clearly in mind. With that focus set I engage the enemy with a simple tactic - stay on point. They will try to drive you off-point but do not let them.

"So you see Mr. smith that is why we are double-charging you"

"No, I don't see. That doesn't make any sense. Please explain it again"

Don't get mad, don't get personally (emotionally) involved, just stand your ground and stay the course. When you reach the impasse (and you will reach an impasse), you are not under any obligation to accept - appeal to a higher authority; "I'd like to speak to your manager" causes cold sweats for these types because it means they failed to intimidate you.

So what does this mean for politics?

The same rules apply - and in most cases they apply even more effectively because you are engaging morons not trained professionals.

IMO the response to this type of jerk is to utter low moans of objection. I'm sure you've heard them yourself before. They are actually pretty effective at public shaming. Yes- I know that leftists have no shame so it is only marginally effective directly, but in the public sense you've alerted the crowd to his boorish behavior and sent a subtle message that it was wrong, rude, and intolerant of others. Now you have some members of the audience on your side. Should he persist you likely won't have to make the scolding murmur - several someones from the crowd will chime in and do it for you.

Then you pick your moment for confrontation (assuming that he really is an asshole who didn't get the hint and continued being a jerk) such that it can be outside of the official presentation, but still in the crowd.

"Why did you feel it necessary to ruin everyone's good time? you ask. You've now done three things:

1. You framed the argument (ruin everyone's good time)
2. You've called him out and put him on the defensive
3. You've chosen the time and place to maximize your strengths and (hopefully) array the crowd to your advantage.

Nine times out of ten you will shame them into silence or even an insincere apology. Where you go from there all depends on how much you like to fight.

Just remember to keep it dispassionate and you'll rule the confrontation.

[Weisshaupt]

Just remember to keep it dispassionate and you'll rule the confrontation.

I know this advice is right.. My step-dad is a master of it, but my brain isn't wired that way.  Fundamentally I don't want to "win" the confrontation anymore, partly because I don't think "winning" is possible as the liberal will just be back at it again tomorrow. I just want to thump them so they never say a word ever again. For what its worth, both comments got laughs and groans from the crowd- based on the affiliation I assume-  The laughs were louder on mine, but I suspect the audience was somewhat biased given the location.  I am fairly sure a simple groan would have been ineffective - liberals automatically dismiss the feelings or opinions of anyone who doesn't agree with them - after all I am just a bitter clinger and can be (should be) ignored.

He probably would have just made the one comment, but for me anymore, even one is too many.


 

[Alphabet Soup]

I don't think of winning the confrontations that much any more - but I do take a certain pleasure in humiliating people that I despise.

[John Florida]

  I was asked at work to please not torture the new lid they hired,so I had no choice but to ignore him when he came around to intoduce himself.The guys advised him to stay away from me for 6 months and by then I might talk to him at chich point I said if he's still working there.

[Pandora]

Just remember to keep it dispassionate and you'll rule the confrontation.

I know this advice is right.. My step-dad is a master of it, but my brain isn't wired that way.  Fundamentally I don't want to "win" the confrontation anymore, partly because I don't think "winning" is possible as the liberal will just be back at it again tomorrow. I just want to thump them so they never say a word ever again. For what its worth, both comments got laughs and groans from the crowd- based on the affiliation I assume-  The laughs were louder on mine, but I suspect the audience was somewhat biased given the location.  I am fairly sure a simple groan would have been ineffective - liberals automatically dismiss the feelings or opinions of anyone who doesn't agree with them - after all I am just a bitter clinger and can be (should be) ignored.

He probably would have just made the one comment, but for me anymore, even one is too many.
 

Exactly where I find myself as well.  Frustration born of disgust leads to going nuclear; not helpful in most cases.

I had an email back/forth with my next door neighbor and I debunked his DNC talking points the way I write here.  This resulted in a "well, I guess I must be stupid" from him.  I called him no names, neither did I imply he was stupid, I just gave it to him in a straight, blunt manner and he did what liberals/the left do when they refuse delivery of the facts.

I was active a few years ago in Grassroots NC, our 2nd Amendment advocacy group, but I found my anger a deleterious element.  The head activist recently urged me to get involved again and I told him no, "you do not want my mouth out there; it will do more harm than good".  So, I keep my membership up to date, email the dwarves in the legislature, (deletedeletedelete, backspace, backspace, backspace), and send money.

I have difficulty finding common ground with others regarding today's issues.  I'm not interested in compromise if it means ceding one more fraction of an inch on my insistence and Right that I be left alone.

[Alphabet Soup]

I have difficulty finding common ground with others regarding today's issues.  I'm not interested in compromise if it means ceding one more fraction of an inch on my insistence and Right that I be left alone.

You are an activist. You see things more clearly than 95% of the herd. You should also be a shepherd. The sheeple need to be reminded on a relatively regular basis which way is safety and which way is danger. Being sheeple, they spook easily but are otherwise docile and easily manipulated.

I know that this is a fairly insulting POV but it is an honest one. And I believe an accurate one.

That drone edith or evelyn or whatever her name was used to regularly exclaim how well versed she was in Alinsky Tactics but I noticed that she never employed a single one. Ever. Alinksy Tactics are just like a gun. They are tools which can be used constructively or destructively. If you are practiced at their use you can be the most powerful person in the room. Of course, if you haul it out and twirl it to impress the room you'll only end up looking like the idiot you are (editorial "you").

I say that most people spend more time picking out their shoes than they do their leaders. That means that they don't think about it very much, and only when they absolutely have to. So we talk about and monitor politicians all the time, as is our nature and inclination. We stay up on things and share our knowledge. But only at election time does the rubber hit the road. Now is the time to pull out the soap boxes and dust them off. Your neighbors and mine are soon going to begin to not think about who they will pull the lever for. Towards that end I am spending as much time as I can allow to plant seeds. FUD seeds for the dhimmicrats, and angry, righteous seeds for the pubbies.

I want to discourage every left winger that I can from bothering to vote. And I want to scold and shame every pubbie that I can to get off their duff and send the message that, yes God Dammit, it does matter!

The likelihood is that you won't ever change a single leftist's "mind" ("You can't reason a person out of a proposition they weren't reasoned into"), but there are still tons of fence-sitters that need to be gently nudged in the right direction.

[John Florida]

I have difficulty finding common ground with others regarding today's issues.  I'm not interested in compromise if it means ceding one more fraction of an inch on my insistence and Right that I be left alone.

You are an activist. You see things more clearly than 95% of the herd. You should also be a shepherd. The sheeple need to be reminded on a relatively regular basis which way is safety and which way is danger. Being sheeple, they spook easily but are otherwise docile and easily manipulated.

I know that this is a fairly insulting POV but it is an honest one. And I believe an accurate one.

That drone edith or evelyn or whatever her name was used to regularly exclaim how well versed she was in Alinsky Tactics but I noticed that she never employed a single one. Ever. Alinksy Tactics are just like a gun. They are tools which can be used constructively or destructively. If you are practiced at their use you can be the most powerful person in the room. Of course, if you haul it out and twirl it to impress the room you'll only end up looking like the idiot you are (editorial "you").

I say that most people spend more time picking out their shoes than they do their leaders. That means that they don't think about it very much, and only when they absolutely have to. So we talk about and monitor politicians all the time, as is our nature and inclination. We stay up on things and share our knowledge. But only at election time does the rubber hit the road. Now is the time to pull out the soap boxes and dust them off. Your neighbors and mine are soon going to begin to not think about who they will pull the lever for. Towards that end I am spending as much time as I can allow to plant seeds. FUD seeds for the dhimmicrats, and angry, righteous seeds for the pubbies.

I want to discourage every left winger that I can from bothering to vote. And I want to scold and shame every pubbie that I can to get off their duff and send the message that, yes God Dammit, it does matter!

The likelihood is that you won't ever change a single leftist's "mind" ("You can't reason a person out of a proposition they weren't reasoned into"), but there are still tons of fence-sitters that need to be gently nudged in the right direction.

  Well I have to confess that dealing with the public means that I have to run accross some of them now and then and I have taken to impersonating left wingers and going throgh the pains taking ordeal of telling them that I'm so disapointed with the "O" that I can't bring myself to voting for him again. It is amazing the percentage of them that feel the same way.

 So now and then I fly a false flag at work and the guys walk by and look at me just to make sure it's me in that office.

[Weisshaupt]

You are an activist. You see things more clearly than 95% of the herd. You should also be a shepherd. The sheeple need to be reminded on a relatively regular basis which way is safety and which way is danger. Being sheeple, they spook easily but are otherwise docile and easily manipulated.

Its not, and shouldn't be, my job to manipulate them. If you aren't smart enough to think for yourself, then start emulating the smart people you know- ask them questions or ask them for help. Know you are limited and act with some humility. At this point I am happy to let the fence sitters, the inattentive, and the cheaters to reap what they have sown.  I am done trying to warn them, and I am certainly done telling them what F'ing morons they are. If you aren't awake by now, you are not worth waking up.

[charlesoakwood]

Thus Sprach Weisshaupt

[Libertas]

"Where you go from there all depends on how much you like to fight."

Well, I know where I fall on that scale!

"Just remember to keep it dispassionate and you'll rule the confrontation."

Aye, there's the rub!

Without my passion I'm toast, but I know you're not arguing losing that, I'm just acknowledging my weakness in controlling it.  Heavy doses of ridicule, shame and defiance is about all I have to offer them now days.

"I am done trying to warn them, and I am certainly done telling them what F'ing morons they are. If you aren't awake by now, you are not worth waking up."

There is merit to picking ones battles, some aren't worth addressing, some cannot be ignored, most it won't even matter either way.

[Sectionhand]

Yeah ... A true lib will take advantage of your "dispassion" and cut your nuts off . 

[Weisshaupt]

Yeah ... A true lib will take advantage of your "dispassion" and cut your nuts off . 

No, to take your balls would require them to already  have some balls of their own. They don't. That is why they vote for thugs to do it for them.  I can guarantee that no matter how strongly your liberal neighbor feels that you SHOULD support the schools, feed the poor, or stroke his ego,  he doesn't have the guts to come into your house himself to make you do it. He will self righteously pat himself on the back for getting the police to your door, but 90% of these people are cowards- unable to face up to their own nature and their pathetic need to bully to give their useless little live meaning,  much less to take on the task themselves. They are the kids that hang around with the bully - to cheer and goad him into  doing what he does best.

[Libertas]

Yeah ... A true lib will take advantage of your "dispassion" and cut your nuts off . 

No, to take your balls would require them to already  have some balls of their own. They don't. That is why they vote for thugs to do it for them.  I can guarantee that no matter how strongly your liberal neighbor feels that you SHOULD support the schools, feed the poor, or stroke his ego,  he doesn't have the guts to come into your house himself to make you do it. He will self righteously pat himself on the back for getting the police to your door, but 90% of these people are cowards- unable to face up to their own nature and their pathetic need to bully to give their useless little live meaning,  much less to take on the task themselves. They are the kids that hang around with the bully - to cheer and goad him into  doing what he does best.

Your average lib, yes, they are cowards who cannot feel good about themselves unless they are allowing others willing to do the dirty work does the dirty work, the ones doing the dirty work and your hardcore libiot agitator know how to exploit weakness, those types don't give a damn about winning a debate, they'll just kill you or incarcerate you and let others abuse and kill you.  Your average libiot likes being a narc and making others suffer, making others suffer is the only way these morons think they are winning, make them think they are "leveling" the playing field. 

All types aren't worth a sack of dung.

[Delta Force]

I have found the quickest way to demean a libtard is to let them bloviate and once the wind down, look them in the eye and then tell them; "Look me in the eye and tell me you honestly believe all of the drivel you just spouted."  I have yet to find one who can do it.  I have had a lot of them tell me they believe what they said, but they refuse to look you in the eye.  Typical of people who stand for nothing.

[charlesoakwood]

That's more polite than just busting out a big giant belly laugh.

[Glock32]

Is it harsh of me to say I'd just assume they all become fertilizer?

[Libertas]

Nope.  Returning something to its natural state is...natural.   

[Predator Don]

I spoke to a libtard the other day.....we are both the same age, 56, and she was lamenting she doesn't know how she will survive when she reached retirement. (i know she is a libtard because of the sticker on her car)Since she is a customer, I didn't want to offend her,( I like taking their money) but I asked her about her retirement saving was doing and she commented it wasn't growing and SS wouldnt be enough.

I know I shouldn't take such glee, but I told her I feel her pain and lamented myself how we could disparage profits which fund our 401k. So many labeled it greed and here we sit, close to retirement, an underfunded retirement account because profits are now considered evil, while taking our money for decades to stick into SS, where we are paid less than 1 percent, can't draw upon it until 66 and if we die before we can draw some money it simply vanishes.

The real kicker is when I wondered how much more I would have if I didn't have money taken fron me for SS. I told her my retirement would be set and probably leave my family a nice nest egg.

I wished her well and left the conversation with a hope that some day everyone will understand their is always a consequence to actions taken and unfortunately people like us, close to retirement, are suffering.

I'm sorry, the look on her face was priceless.

[Pandora]

I'll bet it was priceless (what the heck are you sorry about?)!  Maybe, for once, something someone said to her hit her brain like a ton of bricks and turned the light on.  (Sorry, mixed metaphors.)

If that was the effect I had on people, instead of watching them close up and shut down, I'd open my mouth more often.