Topic: Veep Debate: The Young & The Witless

[trapeze]

May as well get this party started. There is a lot to speculate on, pre-debate and all. So have at it..

[charlesoakwood]

Bizarre

Surrealistic

Unlike Obamakov, Bidet will not be taken aback by professional
command and presentation of facts but will retaliate with blather
which will be consumed with gusto by the 33%.


             

[trapeze]

The key will be to get him into full mouth mode. That's when things get interesting. The mouth runs quite a bit faster than the brain.

[LadyVirginia]

I'm not worried about Ryan.  He listens and thinks before he speaks.

Biden will play the experience card and try to sound caring.  He won't have anything of substance to say.  He could end up sounding out-of-date.

[trapeze]

Don't be too quick to write off Biden. Yes, he's an idiot. But he's a telegenic and passionate idiot. All he has to do is stay on message and not screw up for an hour and a half. It can be done.

There was no way that Romney wasn't going to win that last debate. BUT...his victory would not have been anywhere near as total and crushing as it was if BO had managed to stick to his talking points. He couldn't do it because he had no teleprompter or ear piece telling him what to say. Biden is much more experienced at being a politician than BO. He isn't a master politician but he's better than BO. A gaffe here and there is a small price to pay for someone who isn't a total zero like BO is.

So, yeah, I actually expect Biden (as big a loser as he is) to do better than BO in a debate format. I know that's not saying much given last week's debacle...the bar is exceedingly low now...but it is, nevertheless, true.

Personally, I would be mortally ashamed of being shown up by Biden and I don't mean Ryan. What happens if Biden does okay and the media is forced to acknowledge that he did better than BO? What happens when BO has to at least match Biden's performance? What if he lays another egg?

Ryan is going to win but I don't think he will come anywhere near to the type of humiliating defeat that Romney served up to BO. And that's because Biden isn't as big a debate screwup as BO. An idiot, yes, but not a complete and total zero.

[Glock32]

Unless one side really trounces the other, a VP debate is almost meaningless in the grand scheme. It's entertainment for political junkies more than anything.

[trapeze]

You are probably right but you never know when you will encounter the exception that proves the rule.

[Libertas]

Look for the "Stand up Chuck" moment and relish in the incompetence of the second biggest loser in the White House.

[John Florida]

   I'm prepping for the debate too,I'm getting a new haircut just in case there's a lynching I don't want to look unprepared.

[BigAlSouth]

Lies Biden is sure to promote:

Ryan/Romney's plan will hurt seniors; kill Medicare
Romney's plan will include a 5 trillion dollar tax increase, all on the middle class.
BIG BIRD! BIG BIRD! They wanna kill Big Bird

Ryan will do fine on numbers, Bidens eyes will glaze over . . .

[Libertas]

Lies Biden is sure to promote:

Ryan/Romney's plan will hurt seniors; kill Medicare
Romney's plan will include a 5 trillion dollar tax increase, all on the middle class.
BIG BIRD! BIG BIRD! They wanna kill Big Bird

Ryan will do fine on numbers, Bidens eyes will glaze over . . .

ObamaCare is killing off Medicare AND jacking up taxes AND bringing in rationed care AND leading to Death Panels, how's that for reality?  Wonder how that goes over with the idiots donating to Obama via AARP!   

The $5t tax increase BS (any tax increase BS!) is all based on the Big Lie spread by Obama which one of the victims of this abuse (Princeton professor Harvey Rosen) already disavowed and declared the Romney/Ryan tax plans are REVENUE NUETRAL!   

If Big Bird with all the commercialization/marketing around that whole SS operation, you telling me they have to have thier hand in the packet of every taxpayer?  BS!   

Those are easy smackdowns BigAl!   

[Libertas]

   I'm prepping for the debate too,I'm getting a new haircut just in case there's a lynching I don't want to look unprepared.

Heh, why am I getting this visual?

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1357356544/tt0106856

 

[LadyVirginia]

I'm not writing off Biden.  I expect this debate will be as boring as the other was entertaining.  Biden will offer the same old/same old which will be exactly what the media and other lefties will take comfort in hearing and thus no matter what Ryan does Biden will be the winner.  BO was so awful that the media/left had to protect their own image and self-perception by acknowledging its awfulness.  Biden will be the winner by virtue of his not be completely awful like BO.  I don't expect him to make any gaffes in a debate format. I expect Ryan to make excellent points but the media will ignore them to tell us how wonderful Biden did compared to the prez and how the prez will do better the next time. I think they'll use Biden to prop up the prez and ignore Ryan.

By the way after the other debate I heard about how all this fact checking of Romney's answers was going to happen.  One reporter I heard made it sound like there would an avalanche of information when that happened.  I don't remember hearing any startling news--maybe I missed it.  Or maybe that was her way of throwing doubt onto Romney's answers.

[trapeze]

I will be mildly surprised if Biden does not commit at least one significant gaffe. The debate is long and Biden has to fill close to half of it with his jaw flapping. It's almost inevitable.

But no, there is little to no chance that he will have anywhere near as disastrous a performance as BO did last week. It will probably be an "acceptable" debate performance. Unless he commits a major league gaffe. Then it will merely be a bad debate performance rather than an unmitigated disaster.

The veep debate could be quite entertaining. Or not.

But remember, it's more of an intermission between Act 1 and Act 2 of the main event. And there is almost no reason to believe that BO will be significantly better in the second debate. After all, what could possibly change to strengthen his debate performance ability? What could possibly change to give him something to positively argue in favor of as regards his record?

What did we see last week? We saw BO show up for a NASCAR race with a broken bicycle and the obvious and predictable result. Will BO be showing up with a 600 horsepower stock car next week? No. He will be showing up with his same old broken bicycle except that maybe he will have one of those little bell things screwed to the handle bar. Romney will have the stock car. The race results will be the same.

So we have a perhaps interesting interlude coming up with Ryan/Biden. It may or may not be interesting.

Next week, next week...

[LadyVirginia]

Heard Jonah Goldburg this morning quoting Ryan as saying Biden makes mistakes when he's not under pressure and relaxed --then he says anything.  Ryan thinks at the debate Biden will be under pressure and rise to the occassion. 

The advantage both Ryan and Biden have is they've seen each other in action for years.  BO had no clue what he was up against and didn't care.  I think Ryan lives and breathes his beliefs and has it down beyond cold.  Biden can stuff his head full of information and it may be sufficient to please his base but I think Ryan has the ability to really listen and not be sidetracked.

I wonder what each of them has focused on in practice?  Biden obviously has to get information down.  I'd think Ryan would be focused more on style.

[CatholicCrusader]

May as well get this party started. There is a lot to speculate on, pre-debate and all. So have at it..

I am apparently the only man on earth who predeicted the outcome of the last debate. I knew that all the BS about Obama's great debating skills was a lie, and I knew Romney would mop Obama. I was right.

Now I make another prediction: Ryan will win only in the eyes of wonks, becauser Ryan knows facts. Biden has the nice-guy factor and will come off as the wise old man. It will be a lie, because Ryan is far smarter than Biden, but thats how it will play. Ryan will win in the eyes of those of use who appreciate facts, but it will not be a bow-out like the last debate was.

[Libertas]

Ooops!


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[Predator Don]

Unless one side really trounces the other, a VP debate is almost meaningless in the grand scheme. It's entertainment for political junkies more than anything.

I think this debate will be the exception to the rule for the simply because this administration has been projected to be the 2nd coming. I'll be surprised if the TV audience isn't large.

The libs can't afford to look ill prepared. If bidet gets schooled, it's gonna be difficult to pass it off as "it's just Joe". The lib media will, but will subject themselves to more ridicule.....Not that they care.

[charlesoakwood]

Wonder is Ryan is going to bring up Libya.
That would be a hot topic.

[benb61]

I think this debate will be the exception to the rule for the simply because this administration has been projected to be the 2nd coming. I'll be surprised if the TV audience isn't large.

As far as the audience goes, remember there are 2 MLB championship games and an NFL game on during that time frame.