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This is big news in nerd-land.  I think it can only be an improvement for the Star Wars saga.  I am optimistic about an Episode 7.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/10/30/3632952/disney-buying-lucasfilm-for-405.html

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I am extreeeeeemly skeptical.
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It is legit.

Now, if only they can ditch Lucas as creative consultant they might get a decent movie made.
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I didn't mean it wasn't a real story. I meant I am extremely skeptical at the prospect of a quality resurrection of the Star Wars franchise.

For my part, leave bad enough alone. Unless...

They want to completely reboot. Tell the same story the way it should have been told - sans the stifled imagination of George Lucas.

But more sequels? Blech.
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I am optimistic about an Episode 7.

Is that the one where Luke's strung out on Geritol? ::hysterical::

Forgive me. I'm just not much on sci-fi.
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Well the thing with Star Wars is that it is an entire fictional universe with its own internal history and canon, so what they choose to do with it wouldn't necessarily have to be a direct connection to the storyline Lucas established in his movies.  The books and computer games have taken this route, and have IMO captured the feel of the original trilogy way better than anything Lucas himself has done since.  I think anyone who has played the game Knights of the Old Republic would agree. It did Star Wars better than Lucas.

In retrospect I think the original trilogy was a happy accident. You could see it beginning to become a victim of its own success as Lucas obtained freer reign over it. The last episode of the original trilogy, Return of the Jedi, was already starting to include some of the cheesy and overly juvenile elements that would prove unbearable in the prequels that followed. My sense of nostalgia chooses to interpret this sale as an admission that Lucas lost whatever it was that made his original movies successful and loved by a generation, and now maybe the franchise can find better stewardship.
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 The books and computer games have taken this route, and have IMO captured the feel of the original trilogy way better than anything Lucas himself has done since.  I think anyone who has played the game Knights of the Old Republic would agree. It did Star Wars better than Lucas.


I really enjoyed the KotOR games, the second one was better than the first and the first was rock solid.
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I'll bet Disney screws this up somehow, you watch.

We are now where The Founders were when they faced despotism.

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Do then intend to ditch the entire storyline that's been created, post episode 6?

You screw up the universe if you do that.  I do say, the Thrawn trilogy might make good movie making...if it's not screwed up the way Hollywood usually screws up things, now.  Or that way too long series dealing with an invasion from outside the galaxy, when Chewie dies.

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In retrospect I think the original trilogy was a happy accident. You could see it beginning to become a victim of its own success as Lucas obtained freer reign over it. The last episode of the original trilogy, Return of the Jedi, was already starting to include some of the cheesy and overly juvenile elements that would prove unbearable in the prequels that followed. My sense of nostalgia chooses to interpret this sale as an admission that Lucas lost whatever it was that made his original movies successful and loved by a generation, and now maybe the franchise can find better stewardship.

It wasn't an accident - t was Joseph Campbell Campbell understood story and Myth and helped Lucas craft the whole story arc, and helped extensively with Star Wars - which is why it turned out as it did.  There was nothing wrong with the story in the prequels either. It was the execution.  Lucas obviously began to believe his own hype and failed to understand that he needed to stick to the blueprint The story had the right elements, but Lucas didn't understand their relationship to one another and hence he told the story wrong.  Darth Vader was meant to be a true tragic character. Instead Jake Lloyd (who convinced Orson Scott Card that a child actor COULD play ender)  was instructed by Lucas to turn in a wooden performance.  I don't think Lucas ever saw Anakin Skywalker as ANYTHING but evil. He was dull and arrogant as a kid, and worse as a teenager. If the story had been told correctly and Anakin was portrayed as a good person,  one we sympathized with, and wanted to see succeed ( even though we already knew the ending)  and  focused on events and loves  that trapped an otherwise noble man and brought him, ever so slowly to the darkside and madness , we would have loved it.  Instead we got CGI and Jar Jar Binks. We know we should have bawling our eyes out at the transformation of Anakin into the Dark suited Vader, and when we didn't we knew we had been robbed  of our due.   I suspect that Campbell told Lucas all of this, but Lucas was simply too stupid to understand and too interested in making marketable toys from the enterprise.

Other people ( like the game makers) GOT IT, where Lucas missed, because this is NOT and NEVER HAS BEEN Lucas' story. We all know the story, and how its supposed to go. We all know episodes 1-3 were supposed to be a Tragedy. We knew episodes 4-6 were about the Quest of the son. Our generation didn't have this old story told to us in modern terms and we flocked to it for that reason. The Cheesy crap Lucas added didn't help, but that is not what killed it. He told the story wrong. Given the sort of people depraved individuals  who inhabit Hollywood - who generally spit on classical ideas of nobility and heroism (because they themselves are as far as you can get from those qualities, and as such are continually wanting to tear them down - killing Ivan's cultural goat) its unlikely we are going to find someone there who wants to tell the story right. But the story is there to tell. If the right person is placed in charge,  there is still hope that the remaining 3 movies can be great.




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...Darth Vader was meant to be a true tragic character.... I don't think Lucas ever saw Anakin Skywalker as ANYTHING but evil. He was dull and arrogant as a kid, and worse as a teenager. If the story had been told correctly and Anakin was portrayed as a good person,  one we sympathized with, and wanted to see succeed ( even though we already knew the ending)  and  focused on events and loves  that trapped an otherwise noble man and brought him, ever so slowly to the darkside and madness , we would have loved it.  Instead we got CGI and Jar Jar Binks. We know we should have bawling our eyes out at the transformation of Anakin into the Dark suited Vader, and when we didn't we knew we had been robbed  of our due...

Exxxx-actly.
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I think it was a happy accident to the extent that Lucas was the visionary, but technical execution was largely left up to others out of necessity. Empire is largely regarded as the best of the series (a sentiment I would agree with), and it was directed by Irvin Kershner. The screenplay was written by Lawrence Kasdan. They also had a team of writers to clean up Lucas's stilted dialog. But in the prequels Lucas had the weight to dictate more on both sides of the camera and I think the effort suffered for it. I distinctly get the impression that the original trilogy would have come across a lot more like the later prequels if Lucas had controlled their every aspect like he did with those later films. I also distinctly get the impression that the prequels could have been much better if they were done as a distributed effort in a way similar to the original trilogy.

I will be optimistic about future films if they bring in someone like Drew Karpyshyn, who was the lead writer for KOTOR.
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