Topic: Time to Move On From the GOP?

[Libertas]

The story of the GOP can be read by looking at what the two parties consider "compromise".

For the GOP, compromise means "marginalize the conservatives and cave in on the things they care about. Bunch of anachronistic throwbacks anyway."

For the Democrats, compromise means "and for our part, we agree to not demand this or that. Yet."

In my view, that is the essence of the problem with this party. The Republicans give up real things that were already an established part of the culture, whereas Democrats "give up" hypothetical things (and only for a while).

Oh, and they lie like demons...been doing that a long, long time!  And treating these morons like they have any honor when they have ZERO?  Well, that once again shows are fricken clueless the E-GOP is!

Terminal ignorance!

[AmericanPatriot]

Although I like some things about Palin, she is not the answer.
Look at some of her endorsements.

Besides, I see her as a Republican

[John Florida]

Yeah, the moderate big government democrats who call themselves republicans are calling the shots and dishing out the blame on those who have had it with moderate big government democrats who call themselves republicans!

Shocking!

/

The GOP really needs to be killed off, the exodus started this recent election and it will really pick up steam now!

Fvck 'em!  They can rot in Hell with the dem's!

 

 It seems to me that both parties have pissed off a hell of a lot of people  in the last years,enter the independents as a protest to both ides.

[CatholicCrusader]

The story of the GOP can be read by looking at what the two parties consider "compromise".

For the GOP, compromise means "marginalize the conservatives and cave in on the things they care about. Bunch of anachronistic throwbacks anyway.".........

...., and that is what the Tea Party will eventually cleanse from the GOP, IF we are patient and do not throw out the baby with the bathwater

[AmericanPatriot]

I appreciate your optimism, CC.
However, the TP is too fractured and disjointed.

It is as unstructured as the GOP, in general

[Libertas]

Although I like some things about Palin, she is not the answer.
Look at some of her endorsements.

Besides, I see her as a Republican

I won't argue that, I just think it was a missed opportunity.  I would argue many of the people that comprise the Tea Party that had such a great effect in 2010 did not sit out 2012 or vote for Paul or Johnson as some suspect, there is data showing at the state level that many republicans did well in local elections, bucking the Obama trend.  The dirty little secret of the Obama win is the utter lack of coattails for dem's...they did not pick up massive gains in either congressional chamber at the national level.  It looks to me many in the Tea Party opted out of the POTUS race because they saw no difference between the two as it was a choice between big government republicanism or big government liberalism.  The debate we had among ourselves here at IAL seems to reflect the same battle in the Tea Party at large - so we vote for Romney and buy some time or do we say screw it?  So it looks to me that the Tea Party people voted locally and said to Hell with the national government.  All I was trying to convey with the Palin comment was that I think if an outsider like her had seized the opportunity I think a lot of Tea Party people would have flocked to her banner.  Enough to win a national election?  Not as an independent candidate (although that would have sent the shot across the GOP's bow and sent those E-GOPers to soiling their pants...can't discount that guilty pleasure would be fun to witness!) but perhaps running for the GOP nomination as an outsider would have secured the nomination and offered the nation and better choice.  Just an opportunity lost is all.  This was our last shot at redemption, I think the economic situation is going to accelerate negatively and make all this political speculating moot anyway.

[AmericanPatriot]

I think Palin had a lot to offer. She could energize.

There's nobody right now that I see in the Rs that could do anything.
Santorum will have the next turn.

Up front, I won't vote for him.

I could get behind Rand Paul.
He has some of his father's good points without the whackiness.
Of course, he is attacked by the Paulbots as not being Paul enough and supporting Romney

[radioman]

The GOP does not want to win.

Everytime someone who has strong potential to be a great leader, the GOP establishment joins with the democrats to whack them down.

Sarah Palin was that type pf person. She has the credentials as a conservative and executive experience, unlike all these senators and reps that think their 'sh1t' don't stink. Not only that, Sarah has the chrisma magnetism to draw people to her. She is a natural born leader, and the GOP are nothing but MOrons for whacking her down. The GOP gets what they deserve!

[Glock32]

Levin had a segment on his show yesterday where he read from an article about how Boehner all of a sudden is a fire breathing dragon when it comes to internal party politics, his chief MO being to keep conservatives away from levers of power. It's pretty much exactly what we've all suspected.

This man would not even be Speaker if not for the Tea Party wave of 2010, creating an historic shift of balance in the House. And this is our reward, open hostility and disdain from the very people we empowered.

Nope. No more. They made their bed, now let them die in it.<sup>*


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[Libertas]

Levin had a segment on his show yesterday where he read from an article about how Boehner all of a sudden is a fire breathing dragon when it comes to internal party politics, his chief MO being to keep conservatives away from levers of power. It's pretty much exactly what we've all suspected.

This man would not even be Speaker if not for the Tea Party wave of 2010, creating an historic shift of balance in the House. And this is our reward, open hostility and disdain from the very people we empowered.

Nope. No more. They made their bed, now let them die in it.<sup>*


* © Libertas</sup>

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[Glock32]

[John Florida]

Levin had a segment on his show yesterday where he read from an article about how Boehner all of a sudden is a fire breathing dragon when it comes to internal party politics, his chief MO being to keep conservatives away from levers of power. It's pretty much exactly what we've all suspected.

This man would not even be Speaker if not for the Tea Party wave of 2010, creating an historic shift of balance in the House. And this is our reward, open hostility and disdain from the very people we empowered.

Nope. No more. They made their bed, now let them die in it.<sup>*


* © Libertas</sup>

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   I like the tone,and the sentiment isn't too bad either.

[Predator Don]

The problem with the GOP today is we have too many apologists. As a party, the conservatives and moderates, at times, are not that far apart but at the first sign of an issue, we apologize, we question ourselves. We lose the narrative. We make fun of obama and his apology tour and turn right around, lose an election and what happens? The Jindhals, the rinos begin to apologize, begin to talk about changing our identity. Ask whats wrong.....

If a dem loses an election. I don't see thier party questioning thier ideals. When libs lost about every election there was a couple years ago, did they question thier platform? Their beliefs? Did they search for changing their ways? No.....If anything, they went further left....But no way our party would choose to go further right. No, we must capitulate, move to the middle....

We are such wussies.

[charlesoakwood]

I'm impressed with the power of the GOP/PTB internal organization, when they can take Sarah Palin and virtually
neutralize her and also, on election night, take Karl
Rove into the back room then bring him out mute after commercial when, if nothing else he is the architect of numbers, all of Cayuga county was called for Ø that's some power.

It is not possible to elect enough good men to overcome the GOP/PTB network.

[Predator Don]

I'm impressed with the power of the GOP/PTB internal organization, when they can take Sarah Palin and virtually
neutralize her and also, on election night, take Karl
Rove into the back room then bring him out mute after commercial when, if nothing else he is the architect of numbers, all of Cayuga county was called for Ø that's some power.

It is not possible to elect enough good men to overcome the GOP/PTB network.

Until we vote some out......gotta find a way. Too bad their energies can't be focused on conservative issues.

[Glock32]

The problem with the GOP today is we have too many apologists. As a party, the conservatives and moderates, at times, are not that far apart but at the first sign of an issue, we apologize, we question ourselves. We lose the narrative. We make fun of obama and his apology tour and turn right around, lose an election and what happens? The Jindhals, the rinos begin to apologize, begin to talk about changing our identity. Ask whats wrong.....

If a dem loses an election. I don't see thier party questioning thier ideals. When libs lost about every election there was a couple years ago, did they question thier platform? Their beliefs? Did they search for changing their ways? No.....If anything, they went further left....But no way our party would choose to go further right. No, we must capitulate, move to the middle....

We are such wussies.

Definitely.  Too many apologists. And they're far too quick to criticize our own, out of some misplaced desire to come across as being so reasonable. They're eager to prove that we're not like the Democrats, we don't automatically circle the wagons just because we have the same letter after our names. But what they don't see is that there is no payoff for this conspicuous reasonableness. On the contrary, it merely adds fuel to the Democrats' attack machine.

Case in point, look how many are coming out of the woodwork to point and laugh at Rubio's comment about 6,000 years of recorded history. First, it was a completely non-ridiculous thing for him to say. Earliest recorded history goes back to Mesopotamia, approximately 6,000 years ago. Before that is what we call "pre-history" you know. He wasn't even talking about the geologic age of the planet. But no, we have to hear from every has-been and never-will-be in the GOP about how it was a dumb comment. This of course just makes the Democrat-Media Complex giddy with delight.

Among its many faults, the GOP simply has no damn street smarts whatsoever. No political instincts at all. They're just constantly stepping on their own dicks. Pardon my French.

[Predator Don]

The problem with the GOP today is we have too many apologists. As a party, the conservatives and moderates, at times, are not that far apart but at the first sign of an issue, we apologize, we question ourselves. We lose the narrative. We make fun of obama and his apology tour and turn right around, lose an election and what happens? The Jindhals, the rinos begin to apologize, begin to talk about changing our identity. Ask whats wrong.....

If a dem loses an election. I don't see thier party questioning thier ideals. When libs lost about every election there was a couple years ago, did they question thier platform? Their beliefs? Did they search for changing their ways? No.....If anything, they went further left....But no way our party would choose to go further right. No, we must capitulate, move to the middle....

We are such wussies.

Definitely.  Too many apologists. And they're far too quick to criticize our own, out of some misplaced desire to come across as being so reasonable. They're eager to prove that we're not like the Democrats, we don't automatically circle the wagons just because we have the same letter after our names. But what they don't see is that there is no payoff for this conspicuous reasonableness. On the contrary, it merely adds fuel to the Democrats' attack machine.

Case in point, look how many are coming out of the woodwork to point and laugh at Rubio's comment about 6,000 years of recorded history. First, it was a completely non-ridiculous thing for him to say. Earliest recorded history goes back to Mesopotamia, approximately 6,000 years ago. Before that is what we call "pre-history" you know. He wasn't even talking about the geologic age of the planet. But no, we have to hear from every has-been and never-will-be in the GOP about how it was a dumb comment. This of course just makes the Democrat-Media Complex giddy with delight.

Among its many faults, the GOP simply has no damn street smarts whatsoever. No political instincts at all. They're just constantly stepping on their own dicks. Pardon my French.

Well stated. Their side can have a president who believes we have 57 states...our side? Don't misspell or misspeak potato.

We are not street savvy and I wonder if it is on purpose.

[Libertas]

It's cowardice to act like a real opposition party and their antipathy towards conservatives and religion and morals is clear...the GOP is filled with dead souls and dead souls should be shunned and allowed to sink to the depths of Hell.  All we have to do is stay out of their way and let nature take its course.

[CatholicCrusader]

Man, you people just don't get it

[AmericanPatriot]

Somebody doesn't get it