Topic: Soon

[Weisshaupt]

If Police continue to act like this
in Texas no less, its only going to be a short time before people start shooting cops as soon as they see them, as obviously this guy should have done.

They have no probable cause. They believe they are above the law. They believe that carrying a firearm is "threatening" - and you know that some new libtard in the area is the one called in, because they are threatened by the very thought there are people not like them. If it alarms other people, then its against the law to carry a firearm..

 

[IronDioPriest]

Unless these cops are held accounable with the loss of their jobs, this will escalate and spread like wildfire - the only guarantee of 2nd Amendment rights being the whim of a given police officer on the scene.

I can scarcely describe the temperature of my boiling blood as I watched that video.

[charlesoakwood]

How the city and PD deal with this will be interesting.  The cop should be fired and an apology to the father and child given.

[Pandora]

Grisham on with Beck right now.

[ChrstnHsbndFthr]

The officer needs to be terminated immediately and his former employers should pay damages for the trauma he caused. The supervising officer also needs to be terminated.

[Glock32]

Yeah, they keep doing this and someone with a military background is going to throw down on them. Like Grisham said, based on his combat background he reacted instinctively to someone grabbing his rifle. That's why they are demonizing veterans in particular. They made them into warriors, specifically trained them to react instinctively, and now they fear that their "product" might turn on them. And I'm all for hoping that it does, and that these decommissioned "products" help spread some of their skills to the civilian population.

[Libertas]

Fascist is all but wearing a swastika, and damn lucky to be breathing without a hose run by a machine...

Sons of Liberty network in this area should have tools like this high on their list.

[Alphabet Soup]

When I was 17 I was dragged from my car and beaten by a cop. He thought that I had disrespected him. After knocking me all over the place (witnessed by two other cops who stood by and did nothing). I was a punk kid and not the picture of innocence or anything but I didn't deserve this. Afterward he (literally) tossed me into the back of a squad car and hauled me off to jail.

To "teach me a lesson" they put me in the drunk tank with the adult offenders (even though they knew I was a minor) and deliberately forced me to spend the nigh before they called my mom.

I learned my lesson alright - just not the one the pigs wanted me to learn.

My dad was livid with me (he was on the road and out of town at the time) and refused to believe my side of the story.

I've had zero respect for cops ever since. They are at best a necessary evil, never to turn your back on.

These a-holes should know which side of their bread is buttered. They need people like us - even me - way more than I need them. Dark days are coming and there are apt to be a whole lotta folks who are looking for payback.

Noam sayin?

edit: altard-proofed

[Libertas]

Got that right 'Soup!  Especially that "they need me more than I need them" part!   

[Glock32]

I'm amazed at the rapid transformations I've witnessed just in my own lifetime. When I was a kid the cops still wore normal uniforms and mostly carried .38 or .357 revolvers. There also seemed to be two-way respect between them and the public, or at least I didn't detect the sort of haughty, imperious projection that you so frequently get out of cops today. Granted, it might have still been there but it wasn't something I was old enough to realize. But then around the middle part of the 80s the "war on drugs" seemed to ratchet up, and by the 90s the paramilitarization was fully underway.

It's pretty much just a goon squad now. You give them all this gear and authority, and they're going to look at everyone through that lens. I don't even want to hear them and their apologists bemoaning the development of an "us vs. them" mentality, because that is entirely of their own creation.

This is where my libertarian streak puts me at odds with a lot of mainstream conservatives. It's starting to change a bit thankfully, but for the longest time they've had basically a law and order fetish. Their war on drugs has been nothing short of a disaster for civil liberty, and what has it accomplished socially? Drugs are just as available as they've ever been.

[Weisshaupt]

Their war on drugs has been nothing short of a disaster for civil liberty, and what has it accomplished socially? Drugs are just as available as they've ever been.

Its accomplished the same thing as prohibition did in the 30s and a gun ban will do now - allowing the easy persecution of people, in this case mostly independent hippie types,  who left to their own devices, will probably not hurt anyone, and driving them into the arms of the criminal underground - putting them in contact with people who will encourage and train  them in becoming criminals. . after all, they already are by law. There would be no Mexican drug cartels for Obama to run guns too if  they were legal. If the hard stuff were available in special salons with padded rooms where they lock you in and don't let you out till you are clean and sober.

There is a reason Al Capone and other Gangsters flourished so easily in the 30s with prohibition.   Yes, I understand addicts can and do resort to crime to fuel their habit, and that certain drugs lead to unlawful behavior. I have no problem for higher penalties if a crime is committed while under the influence,  but trying to get at crime problem  by banning drugs is as dumb as trying to stop mass shootings by banning semi-automatics.  The drugs aren't the problem. The people who take them AND commit crimes as a result are, and they should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.  Banning drugs just created a whole new class of criminal - just as these new gun laws do.

 However, for the Socialists , what better way to get the militarization and police state powers at the time but by encouraging Conservatives in this approach?

[Miltrainer]

I have to honestly say that the cop was wrong and afraid to admit it. On a more uplifting note, a large majority of cops believe in the second amendment and C&C.  http://www.policeone.com/Gun-Legislation-Law-Enforcement/articles/6188462-PoliceOnes-2013-Gun-Policy-Law-Enforcement-Survey-Results-Executive-Summary/  Just because there are a few bad apples doesn't mean they are all like that. They would be over ruled by their fellow officers. Just because we hear these outrageous reports about how cops want to take away our 2nd Amendment doesn't make it true. The only people who the media focuses on are police chiefs of big cities whose mayors are nauseatingly liberal. Who thinks a mayor would want a conservative police chief. They want someone who thinks and acts like them.

Since retiring from the Military and served as an MP the majority of that time, I still have many acquaintances who are in law enforcement. They are very much for the second amendment. Many feel as we do. Heck, they even use the same lines we do. "When seconds count, the police are only minutes away." They say the same about their situation. I know they would be happy to have a C&C holder help them if the SHTF.

[charlesoakwood]

Cops should know which side their bread is buttered on.

They do, it's city hall and as long as there is a city hall that will be where the butter is.

[Predator Don]

I have to honestly say that the cop was wrong and afraid to admit it. On a more uplifting note, a large majority of cops believe in the second amendment and C&C.  http://www.policeone.com/Gun-Legislation-Law-Enforcement/articles/6188462-PoliceOnes-2013-Gun-Policy-Law-Enforcement-Survey-Results-Executive-Summary/  Just because there are a few bad apples doesn't mean they are all like that. They would be over ruled by their fellow officers. Just because we hear these outrageous reports about how cops want to take away our 2nd Amendment doesn't make it true. The only people who the media focuses on are police chiefs of big cities whose mayors are nauseatingly liberal. Who thinks a mayor would want a conservative police chief. They want someone who thinks and acts like them.

Since retiring from the Military and served as an MP the majority of that time, I still have many acquaintances who are in law enforcement. They are very much for the second amendment. Many feel as we do. Heck, they even use the same lines we do. "When seconds count, the police are only minutes away." They say the same about their situation. I know they would be happy to have a C&C holder help them if the SHTF.

I tend to agree, but this officer is from a relatively small town....and the other officers did not set him straight. I believe it is important these affronts to our liberty are broadcast as much as we can, since we cannot count on any media outlets to do thier job. That video was horrifying and if the citizen defended himself, he would be thrown under a jail.

I have over 50 police officers as members. I'm gonna ask a few their opinions. My brother is a detective, I spoke to him and he stated that would not happen, but they follow every lead ( complaint) they get and the gun subject today is a hot potato.

[Libertas]

Don is making the point I want to make, police being representative of the areas they are in...in "general" if in a conservative area most may tend to share those same views, in a liberal/urban area it flips the other way.  Remember that thread of different polls on 2A issues?  Appears to be a 50-50 split on most issues, but only 28% looked to be solidly in the liberty corner.  The squishiness of the 22% concerns me, but 28-50% on our side still means 50-72% may not be, when the Obama really hits the fan how will that really shake out?  I was once one of those law-and-order conservatives, but my own experiences as well as those I've learned from others leads me to believe that there are more than "isolated" incidents of rogue cops on the wrong side of liberty.  It does defy logic and common sense, because if the vast majority do not see things as we do, then something broke somewhere, we can deabte what that something is but there is no debate that that something exists.  I am more in the libertarian camp now with respect to law and order issues and if you would have asked me that would be my position 30 years ago I would have chuckled and thought you paranoid and guilty of something.  I am not chuckling now.

[Glock32]

As Weisshaupt has stated a few times, they perhaps fail to appreciate just how much they depend on voluntary compliance. If things go hot, the cops are good and F'd. The sensible ones won't be able to get out of those uniforms fast enough.

[Alphabet Soup]

As Weisshaupt has stated a few times, they perhaps fail to appreciate just how much they depend on voluntary compliance. If things go hot, the cops are good and F'd. The sensible ones won't be able to get out of those uniforms fast enough.

^^^^
This.

I understand that they do the bidding of their masters and they have forgotten that we are the masters, not city hall. When the SHTF city hall will fall - hard. Cops who are charged with "protecting the public interest" will protect their masters (who are going to fall anyway), and probably indiscriminately. That means that the criteria with which they calculate threat levels will place armed citizens squarely in their crosshairs. That is why so many top cops want the public disarmed.

Cops serve a useful purpose - dealing with the scum that I will only touch one lead slug at a time. I have no compunction about sending them in harms way for the reasons outlined above and don't really care who prevails in that sort of exchange - either way I avoid direct contact and can go on my merry way.

As you can tell, I am prepared to me mercenary as one can be. The main thing is that I have few illusions as to who to pick to be on "my side". As far as I can tell, to only one that I can rely on is me.

[charlesoakwood]

Don't forget your brother.