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Wall St Reform
« on: April 02, 2011, 06:29:34 PM »
From Jazz Shaw

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/04/02/wall-street-a-modest-proposal/

In a brief era when the entire world seems to have reform on its mind, one portion of America’s open market plumbing has gone sadly overlooked. Even as we discuss the emergence of nascent democracies on the Arab Street and stripping down the corrosive costs of public sector unions at home, there remains one canker on the stiff upper lip of our free market republic which still awaits a salve. I speak, of course, of Wall Street and the public trading of so-called “stocks” in corporations around the globe.
Problems with Wall Street have been rampant for some time, but they were brought to light yet again this week when a friend of Warren Buffet’s was accused of fleecing the unwashed masses through the practice of insider trading. This particularly odious form of corruption has been rampant in the market since its inception, but there has never been a viable solution offered which might curb it until after the fact. It’s akin to assigning a pack of gray wolves as park rangers in charge of monitoring the herds of elk based on their solemn promise that they would never use the herd data they collect to single out and attack the oldest or weakest of the stags.
But insider trading is hardly the only problem inherent in the system. In fact the entire concept of “public trading” of shares in corporations has proven to be nothing but a recipe for disaster. Do any of us honestly believe that the “value” assigned to a company’s stock at any given moment bears any relationship to the true worth of the corporation? When the markets crashed in 2008, taking the biggest, bluest chips down the drain with them, were we to believe that the true total value of General Electric – with all of its buildings, equipment, patents and investments – had suddenly plunged by one third overnight?
Perhaps that was a poor example. Some of us might take GE’s failure to owe any federal taxes as an indication that they have no measurable net worth. But I digress.
The basic flaw in this system is that the public trading of shares absent any rational link to the company’s value has turned Wall St. into little more than a rigged Atlantic City casino with a patina of expensive business suits covering up the spilled drinks and cigarette burns. The time has come for change.
Most of you who, by definition, are a bit less swift than the leaders of the pack, are doubtless having one of those forehead slapping, “I could have had a V-8? moments right about now. But you are doubtless equally perplexed as to what can be done to right this unimaginable wrong. “What can we, as private citizens, do in the face of such an entrenched system?” I hear you saying. “We’re like a massive herd of millions of corrupt piggies, gorging at the trench of illicit gains, mired in a system which is too deeply embedded in the American economy to reform!”
Not so. A solution lies before us if only we have the collective will and fortitude to reach out and grasp it.
Step One: We shall make it illegal to trade shares in any company between individual investors, firms or any other financial entity. Any company wishing to publicly issue shares in their firms may do so based on an audited accounting of the true worth of the corporation. Any individual or group may purchase them, providing investment capital to the company. If the company prospers and their true value rises, the value of the stock will rise and everyone profits. If the firm does poorly, then it was a poor investment and everyone bears the weight of the loss. Investors may only sell the shares back to the issuing firm.
Step Two: Since the first step does nothing to address the corrupt inequities of past practices, redress must be made. In keeping with the principles of social justice and equality, the government shall seize all of the massive profits and bonuses paid to all of the Wall Street investment house executives and traders for the past 37 years. Not only will this settle the score in terms of fairness, but the resulting haul should pay down roughly 12.7% of the national debt. Given the concern we all share for the woeful state of the nation’s purse, this idea will prove wildly popular. It is, in the words of many less literate political pundits, a “win-win.”
Now, thoughtful observes will doubtless notice the glaring problem arising from Step Two above. What of these Wall Street executives who are suddenly faced with a bill amounting to tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars? There is more than a passing chance that they’ve already blown most of that cash on yachts, caviar, mansions and well heeled prostitutes. Others – even if they can pay off the tab – would be left without jobs… a tragedy none of us wish to face. What of them?
Not to worry. Having forseen these concerns I have already prepared…
Step Three: Wherein the federal government shall institute a time limited, scope limited period of indentured servitude where the former stock traders and investment bankers will serve as employees of the public, typing up stock certificates and doing the bean counting, investigative work required to determine the correct holdings value of the companies seeking to issue shares. Further, the towering offices of the brokers and investment firms shall be immediately converted to affordable, rent-controlled apartments where this new army of workers will be able to serve out fairly assigned terms of indenture with warm, clean living quarters and nutritious meals.
This plan, as I am sure you will all agree, will not only eliminate a vastly flawed and corrupt system of fiscal impropriety, but address long term issues of social and economic justice while, in the same breath, gaining great ground in returning America to a course of fiscal stability. Let us all pledge to forward this plan to our elected representatives at once and have it crafted into appropriate legislation.
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Re: Wall St Reform
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2011, 06:36:33 PM »
It just struck a lovely chord ::guitar:: ::beertoast::

Just wishful thinking but if you anylize the concepts a bit, they begin to make sense. Even a thoughtless liberal might go for it as it rings of social justice.
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Re: Wall St Reform
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2011, 07:56:44 PM »
From Jazz Shaw

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/04/02/wall-street-a-modest-proposal/

In a brief era when the entire world seems to have reform on its mind, one portion of America’s open market plumbing has gone sadly overlooked. Even as we discuss the emergence of nascent democracies on the Arab Street and stripping down the corrosive costs of public sector unions at home, there remains one canker on the stiff upper lip of our free market republic which still awaits a salve. I speak, of course, of Wall Street and the public trading of so-called “stocks” in corporations around the globe.
Problems with Wall Street have been rampant for some time, but they were brought to light yet again this week when a friend of Warren Buffet’s was accused of fleecing the unwashed masses through the practice of insider trading. This particularly odious form of corruption has been rampant in the market since its inception, but there has never been a viable solution offered which might curb it until after the fact. It’s akin to assigning a pack of gray wolves as park rangers in charge of monitoring the herds of elk based on their solemn promise that they would never use the herd data they collect to single out and attack the oldest or weakest of the stags.
But insider trading is hardly the only problem inherent in the system. In fact the entire concept of “public trading” of shares in corporations has proven to be nothing but a recipe for disaster. Do any of us honestly believe that the “value” assigned to a company’s stock at any given moment bears any relationship to the true worth of the corporation? When the markets crashed in 2008, taking the biggest, bluest chips down the drain with them, were we to believe that the true total value of General Electric – with all of its buildings, equipment, patents and investments – had suddenly plunged by one third overnight?
Perhaps that was a poor example. Some of us might take GE’s failure to owe any federal taxes as an indication that they have no measurable net worth. But I digress.
The basic flaw in this system is that the public trading of shares absent any rational link to the company’s value has turned Wall St. into little more than a rigged Atlantic City casino with a patina of expensive business suits covering up the spilled drinks and cigarette burns. The time has come for change.
Most of you who, by definition, are a bit less swift than the leaders of the pack, are doubtless having one of those forehead slapping, “I could have had a V-8? moments right about now. But you are doubtless equally perplexed as to what can be done to right this unimaginable wrong. “What can we, as private citizens, do in the face of such an entrenched system?” I hear you saying. “We’re like a massive herd of millions of corrupt piggies, gorging at the trench of illicit gains, mired in a system which is too deeply embedded in the American economy to reform!”
Not so. A solution lies before us if only we have the collective will and fortitude to reach out and grasp it.
Step One: We shall make it illegal to trade shares in any company between individual investors, firms or any other financial entity. Any company wishing to publicly issue shares in their firms may do so based on an audited accounting of the true worth of the corporation. Any individual or group may purchase them, providing investment capital to the company. If the company prospers and their true value rises, the value of the stock will rise and everyone profits. If the firm does poorly, then it was a poor investment and everyone bears the weight of the loss. Investors may only sell the shares back to the issuing firm.
Step Two: Since the first step does nothing to address the corrupt inequities of past practices, redress must be made. In keeping with the principles of social justice and equality, the government shall seize all of the massive profits and bonuses paid to all of the Wall Street investment house executives and traders for the past 37 years. Not only will this settle the score in terms of fairness, but the resulting haul should pay down roughly 12.7% of the national debt. Given the concern we all share for the woeful state of the nation’s purse, this idea will prove wildly popular. It is, in the words of many less literate political pundits, a “win-win.”
Now, thoughtful observes will doubtless notice the glaring problem arising from Step Two above. What of these Wall Street executives who are suddenly faced with a bill amounting to tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars? There is more than a passing chance that they’ve already blown most of that cash on yachts, caviar, mansions and well heeled prostitutes. Others – even if they can pay off the tab – would be left without jobs… a tragedy none of us wish to face. What of them?
Not to worry. Having forseen these concerns I have already prepared…
Step Three: Wherein the federal government shall institute a time limited, scope limited period of indentured servitude where the former stock traders and investment bankers will serve as employees of the public, typing up stock certificates and doing the bean counting, investigative work required to determine the correct holdings value of the companies seeking to issue shares. Further, the towering offices of the brokers and investment firms shall be immediately converted to affordable, rent-controlled apartments where this new army of workers will be able to serve out fairly assigned terms of indenture with warm, clean living quarters and nutritious meals.
This plan, as I am sure you will all agree, will not only eliminate a vastly flawed and corrupt system of fiscal impropriety, but address long term issues of social and economic justice while, in the same breath, gaining great ground in returning America to a course of fiscal stability. Let us all pledge to forward this plan to our elected representatives at once and have it crafted into appropriate legislation.

If it wasn't for the Fed they wouldn't have anything to trade. ::rockets::
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Re: Wall St Reform
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2011, 09:02:55 PM »
This is an April fools joke, right?
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« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2011, 09:27:58 PM »
This is an April fools joke, right?

If it's not, it ought to be .... and it isn't funny.

"Social justice" my ass.
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« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2011, 09:50:34 PM »
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Do any of us honestly believe that the “value” assigned to a company’s stock at any given moment bears any relationship to the true worth of the corporation?

Add this to the list of things Leftists don't understand about economics. A thing, anything, derives its value from the willingness of other parties to exchange their own valuable items for it. The price is what people are willing to pay, neither more nor less.
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« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2011, 09:07:43 AM »
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Do any of us honestly believe that the “value” assigned to a company’s stock at any given moment bears any relationship to the true worth of the corporation?

Add this to the list of things Leftists don't understand about economics. A thing, anything, derives its value from the willingness of other parties to exchange their own valuable items for it. The price is what people are willing to pay, neither more nor less.

Yes except for one thing, the value just like what we're dealing with in terms of oil futures is being artificially inflated 95% of the time only in this case it's done by insider trading or those that investment houses that make trades to deflate or inflate the value of the stock. It's basically artificial and we on the outside never know the truth until it's too late. During the early days of the markets on Wall St people made money by investing and getting returns on those investments via dividends. Today most are making money by gambling the price of the stock goes up or down purely based on artificial horsesh*t, a.k.a. gambling.

These aren't tangible assets we're talking about so they're not being bought based on the guidelines of open free markets as in capitalism. If we allow Wall St. to continue  same old way, we're looking for bubble and bust cycles forever. The Fed will just do what it always does, inject or remove cash from the system when it perceives a problem. Reform for one is needed and elimination of the other is as well.

For those people that lost much of their fortune in the bust cycle because the "perceived value" tanked rather than dividends not realized as fore casted wouldn't have been in such bad shape if in fact the stocks were of real value based upon true capitalist principles instead of fictional values placed upon them by notorious criminals that cam legally manipulate them anytime they wish. Just saying, think about it......
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« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2011, 09:18:11 AM »
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These aren't tangible assets we're talking about so they're not being bought based on the guidelines of open free markets as in capitalism.

Okay, let's take the case of Apple today.  From what I understand, the stock value, determined by price, has been dropping over anxiety about Job's future with the company.  Surely, there are tangible assets there?  And, apparently, Jobs is considered one of them?  Or is most of the company's present "value" based on how many of what it will sell ... tomorrow?
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« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2011, 09:18:27 AM »
I'm all for a discussion about ways to tie stock share value to actual corporate asset value.

But confiscating the earned income of financial executives paid over the years and making them indentured servants? Please. If we wanna have a discussion about criminals responsible for our nation's financial woes who should be placed into indentured servitude, lets' start with Washington DC.
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« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2011, 09:35:33 AM »
I'm all for a discussion about ways to tie stock share value to actual corporate asset value.

But confiscating the earned income of financial executives paid over the years and making them indentured servants? Please. If we wanna have a discussion about criminals responsible for our nation's financial woes who should be placed into indentured servitude, lets' start with Washington DC.

Look here, IDP:

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A Modest Proposal for Preventing the Children of Poor People in Ireland From Being a Burden to Their Parents or Country, and for Making Them Beneficial to the Public,[1] commonly referred to as A Modest Proposal, is a Juvenalian satirical essay written and published anonymously by Jonathan Swift in 1729. Swift suggests that impoverished Irish might ease their economic troubles by selling their children as food for rich gentlemen and ladies.[2] This satirical hyperbole mocks heartless attitudes towards the poor, as well as British policy in Ireland in general.

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Swift goes to great lengths to support his argument, including a list of possible preparation styles for the children, and calculations showing the financial benefits of his suggestion. He uses methods of argument throughout his essay which lampoon then-prominent William Petty and the social engineering popular among followers of Francis Bacon.

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This essay is widely held to be one of the greatest examples of sustained irony in the history of the English language. Much of its shock value derives from the fact that the first portion of the essay describes the plight of starving beggars in Ireland, so that the reader is unprepared for the surprise of Swift's solution when he states, "A young healthy child well nursed, is, at a year old, a most delicious nourishing and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricassee, or a ragoust."

Readers unacquainted with its reputation as a satirical work often do not immediately realize that Swift was not seriously proposing cannibalism and infanticide, nor would readers unfamiliar with the satires of Horace and Juvenal recognize that Swift's essay follows the rules and structure of Latin satires.

The satirical element of the pamphlet is often only understood after the reader notes ...

I suspect Shaw's attempted the same with his piece.
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« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2011, 10:12:09 AM »
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« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2011, 10:18:59 AM »
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Never you mind; I did it too, at first.  The piece does have valid points, notwithstanding, and I'm interested in having some questions about them answered by our gurus.
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« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2011, 10:48:52 AM »
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Never you mind; I did it too, at first.  The piece does have valid points, notwithstanding, and I'm interested in having some questions about them answered by our gurus.

My sentiment exactly. Your example of Apple is one of the exception not the current rule. The majority of them sputter along looking for some high volume trading house to take notice and make a buy. Haven't we seen enoug h of what just transpired with Berkshire-Hathaway. What about the transactions of Goldman Sachs etc... Something needs to be done to halt the bubble bust cycle.

And yes, I noticed the satire of the piece, but remainder has some validity.
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« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2011, 10:52:35 AM »
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Never you mind; I did it too, at first.  The piece does have valid points, notwithstanding, and I'm interested in having some questions about them answered by our gurus.

My sentiment exactly. Your example of Apple is one of the exception not the current rule.

Hmmm .... Okay.

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The majority of them sputter along looking for some high volume trading house to take notice and make a buy. Haven't we seen enoug h of what just transpired with Berkshire-Hathaway. What about the transactions of Goldman Sachs etc... Something needs to be done to halt the bubble bust cycle.

From what little I understand, and it's a rudimentary understanding at that, the "something" would be to get rid of the Fed.  It is what prevents the small cycles that naturally occur in an actual free market from happening, thereby causing the eventual big ones.  And now, it won't let them happen either.

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And yes, I noticed the satire of the piece, but remainder has some validity.

It do.
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