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« Reply #140 on: June 30, 2013, 03:20:28 PM »
Yes, and those artificially low interest rates mean saving is punished and borrowing (debt) is rewarded. Punish the ant, reward the grasshopper. When it becomes the deliberate policy of an entire economy, combined with bribing one set of voters with the earnings of another set of voters, you have what we have now.
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« Reply #141 on: June 30, 2013, 08:45:11 PM »
And as the tyrants boot puts more pressure on the nations throat it will be no surprise when the crap hits the fan that these perpetrators will all be high on the list of the angry mob...words will not save them, lies will not save them, party affiliation will not save them...
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« Reply #142 on: July 01, 2013, 07:33:32 AM »
OK, now, this is hilarious...

French President Francois Hollande said it must "immediately stop", while a spokesman for Germany's Angela Merkel said "bugging friends is unacceptable".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23125451

The French...  ::)

Whataya gonna do, throw cheese and run away?

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If y'all really mean it, well, denounce Obama to his face!  The only way to deal with a punk-ass dictator is to get in their grill, stop being a bunch of cheese-eating surrender monkeys and man up!

Yeah, that'll happen...   ::)
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« Reply #143 on: July 01, 2013, 12:59:59 PM »
OK, now, this is hilarious...

French President Francois Hollande said it must "immediately stop", while a spokesman for Germany's Angela Merkel said "bugging friends is unacceptable".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23125451

The French...  ::)

Whataya gonna do, throw cheese and run away?

 ::hysterical::

If y'all really mean it, well, denounce Obama to his face!  The only way to deal with a punk-ass dictator is to get in their grill, stop being a bunch of cheese-eating surrender monkeys and man up!

Yeah, that'll happen...   ::)

I can't believe our "friends" only think this an allegation. Obama is bugging all of America, did our "friends" think they were exempt?
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« Reply #144 on: July 01, 2013, 01:14:02 PM »

Maybe they will take him to court as they did Microsoft.

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« Reply #145 on: July 01, 2013, 07:25:53 PM »
This Euro outrage is just a big charade. They're doing this sort of crap too, to their own people and foreign governments as well.  I think the whole thing is merely to give the respective parties political cover, i.e. give Obama phony right-cover because the neo-cons (a word I always vowed never to use because of its overuse) can point at it and say if the Euros are whining about it then it must be ok. The Europeans then get phony cover of their own since it appeals to their reflexively anti-American leftists.

I don't buy for a minute that Europe's political establishment only became aware of this from mainstream news reports.
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« Reply #146 on: July 01, 2013, 07:54:58 PM »
This Euro outrage is just a big charade. They're doing this sort of crap too, to their own people and foreign governments as well.  I think the whole thing is merely to give the respective parties political cover, i.e. give Obama phony right-cover because the neo-cons (a word I always vowed never to use because of its overuse) can point at it and say if the Euros are whining about it then it must be ok. The Europeans then get phony cover of their own since it appeals to their reflexively anti-American leftists.

I don't buy for a minute that Europe's political establishment only became aware of this from mainstream news reports.

Yes, the lies and cya's are flying thick and fast and here we stand -- to them -- as sheep ready to be shorn.  Well, they can kiss my sweet Italian ass because I will not assimilate, I will not submit, and I reject them and everything about them.
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« Reply #147 on: July 02, 2013, 07:09:10 AM »
Ahh, yes, we are blessed with wise members here in Libertyville!   ::grouphug::

The Euro statements are completely lacking in credibility...there is no carrythrough with their statements...because if they did then they'd have to explain to their own people their own dirty laundry...

Which brings us to the second tell...why the Obama Regime has not outed the Euro's...certainly the Biggest Big Brother knows...all part of the kabuki...

Snowden update:

1) I have to say, when I read his slamming of Obama, I had to chuckle, that asshat probably isn't used to people blasting him...and being blasted with the truth has to double-sting!

http://www.zerohedge.com/node/475920

2) Trying to get to one of these 21 nations -

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-01/21-nations-edward-snowden-applying-asylum

Most of those will simply chicken out and deny him...a more independent nation like Iceland or Switzerland makes sense...but even Swiss loyalty can be bought now days...the world ain't what it used to be...
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« Reply #148 on: July 02, 2013, 11:25:49 AM »
The level of cooperation between American and European espionage agencies goes back a long way. This phony outrage, as if they're just some aggrieved and innocent bystanders, is comical.

These agencies and their counterparts have routinely been spying on each other's citizens, then sharing the data with that country's home agency. It's their little technocrat way of bypassing strong restrictions against domestic espionage. So hey, it's not domestic espionage if it's technically the British intelligence agencies doing the snooping, and gee whiz it sure was awful nice of them to share everything they collected with their American counterparts. So nice in fact that American agencies might just return the favor and spy on British citizens for the British government.

Thing is, none of this is really as revelatory as people might think. It's the sort of stuff hidden in plain sight for years, just buried in the mountains of dry technocratic white papers.  The US and Britain jointly operate a data hoovering system in Cornwall, England -- the European entry point of transatlantic cables. They siphon off every bit of data coming over those cables.
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« Reply #149 on: July 02, 2013, 11:40:29 AM »
They've been doing that since the first transatlantic cable was dropped IIRC, so yeah, and the more the get away with the more they want to get away with...and here we are.

And part of the orchestrated statements from politards is designed to diffuse public outcry...they still know the mojority of the masses have to be fooled into thinking their outrage is real, that they are doing something about it...so all is well...go back to your escargot or your Dancing With The Stars or whatever...they are on the job!

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« Reply #150 on: July 03, 2013, 06:50:51 AM »
ZH has a nice NYT reprint from a 1999 NYT article on Nixon...the comments liking Nixon & Obama (among others) is humorous but not without merit.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-02/richard-nixon-anything-nsa-did-totally-defensible

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« Reply #151 on: July 03, 2013, 08:21:26 AM »
ZH has a nice NYT reprint from a 1999 NYT article on Nixon...the comments liking Nixon & Obama (among others) is humorous but not without merit.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-02/richard-nixon-anything-nsa-did-totally-defensible

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Some of the comments are good. Lol
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« Reply #152 on: July 07, 2013, 08:06:15 PM »
Tell me Snowden would not be treated worse than these State Dept whistleblowers...tell me the government didn't hire some punks to go get these computers...

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/07/07/cameras_catch_mystery_break_in_at_whistleblowers_law_firm

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ETA - Courtesy of Germany via ZeroHedge...I thought this pic says it all about NSA snooping on everybody -



http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-07/what-germany-thinks-biggest-bugging-scandal-history

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« Reply #153 on: July 10, 2013, 07:11:00 AM »
Can't help but think THIS is somehow part of the whole Big Brother story...and then THIS NEWS comes out...it is just a steady drip and bad and disturbing...any dumbass thinking the Obama Regime is not worse than the Eeeevil Bush Gubmint is seriously impaired.

The cartoon of our age...and I really don't find it funny...



Oh, and on the Stasi2.0 front - http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/07/dictator-obama-orders-fed-workers-to-spy-on-each-other/

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« Reply #154 on: July 10, 2013, 01:11:08 PM »
Can't help but think THIS is somehow part of the whole Big Brother story...and then THIS NEWS comes out...it is just a steady drip and bad and disturbing...any dumbass thinking the Obama Regime is not worse than the Eeeevil Bush Gubmint is seriously impaired.

The cartoon of our age...and I really don't find it funny...



Oh, and on the Stasi2.0 front - http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/07/dictator-obama-orders-fed-workers-to-spy-on-each-other/

 ::gaah::


Well, more redundant programs by the Obama administration. We already have the NSA and the IRS spying on EVERYONE, no need to demand an employee to turn in anyone.
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« Reply #156 on: July 11, 2013, 03:30:03 PM »
I remember as a kid, rumors about Soviet Russia and children telling the authorities about suspicious activities of their parents or neighbors tattling on neighbors.  I guess we are Soviet Amerika now.
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« Reply #157 on: July 12, 2013, 10:29:36 AM »
All purposeful...that is - treasonous.
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« Reply #158 on: July 17, 2013, 12:04:29 PM »
SkyNet is growing fast...

Plenty of software...

Growing hardware - http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,8575.0.html

Last vestiges of Republican protections going out the window - http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,8582.msg102723.html#msg102723

More sub-systems to leverage - http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,8583.new.html

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« Reply #159 on: July 18, 2013, 01:28:39 PM »
Oops!  More than just "metadata"!

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/07/nsa-admits-it-analyzes-more-peoples-data-previously-revealed/67287/

Now, be a good little free-person and let the grown ups handle the adult stuff...that's a nice little slave, er citizen.

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