Topic: You Would Think That Someone Would Get Fired Over This

[trapeze]

I'm not even going to quote it. Has to be seen to be believed.

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[Predator Don]

It looks like a giant elevator to me.

[ToddF]

I think there's confused reporting on this.  I saw there are indeed elevator shafts, but they're too small for a building that was redesigned to be taller.  They forgot to redesign the elevators to handle the additional height.

But yes, still clusterfail in architecture.  Can it be fixed with outdoor elevators?

[trapeze]

It would be like building a home and forgetting to plumb it..."I guess we can put an outhouse in the backyard."

[trapeze]

I think there's confused reporting on this.  I saw there are indeed elevator shafts, but they're too small for a building that was redesigned to be taller.  They forgot to redesign the elevators to handle the additional height.

But yes, still clusterfail in architecture.  Can it be fixed with outdoor elevators?

Where did you see them...I'm curious. And, yeah, the obvious solution is exterior elevators...I thought of that immediately but it is also mentioned in the article toward the end.

[ToddF]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-2387853/Spains-white-elephant-Benidorms-InTempo-tower-countrys-construction-madness.html

The most embarrassing of these is an alleged planning error which means the 47-storey towers have only been designed with lifts for 20 floors

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/237769-intempo-47-story-skyscraper-in-benidorm-spain-lacks-an-elevator-video/

The skyscraper was originally intended to be 20 stories tall, but later, builders extended it to 47 stories. It means that the elevator only goes to the 20th floor, leaving out the other 27, according to the paper.

I thought I read somewhere where there is a shaft, but it isn't big enough to handle the full height of the building.  It's hard to say with the fail of journalism, today, which is right.  It's obvious the building DOES have an elevator, just not something that can service the whole building.

[Glock32]

I think there's confused reporting on this.  I saw there are indeed elevator shafts, but they're too small for a building that was redesigned to be taller.  They forgot to redesign the elevators to handle the additional height.

But yes, still clusterfail in architecture.  Can it be fixed with outdoor elevators?

Reminds me of this soap commercial:


Old Spice | Architect

[warpmine]

Simple fix folks. A circus cannon to go up and a sliding board or better yet "batpoles" to go down. Cheap fixes.

[trapeze]

I thought I read somewhere where there is a shaft, but it isn't big enough to handle the full height of the building.  It's hard to say with the fail of journalism, today, which is right.  It's obvious the building DOES have an elevator, just not something that can service the whole building.

Not being an architect or an engineer I am just speculating here but...

1) I think that the size of the shaft (dimensions) is sort of not relevant.

2) I think that it comes down to a building structure issue. That is, the way that the structure is built in order to support the weight of the car, its passengers, the motor that drives the car, the cables that connect the car to the motor and the other items (rails, doors, etc.) that are all attached to the shaft.

Also, there has to be a theoretical maximum height for any shaft because at that point the weight of the car, passengers and cables become too heavy for a cable of practical thickness to support. When that maximum height is reached the solution is to then create a midpoint elevator lobby with a new shaft arrangement to continue to the top of the structure.

Still, this would be like building a cruise ship and forgetting to put in the kitchens that go with the dining rooms.

[warpmine]

I thought I read somewhere where there is a shaft, but it isn't big enough to handle the full height of the building.  It's hard to say with the fail of journalism, today, which is right.  It's obvious the building DOES have an elevator, just not something that can service the whole building.

Not being an architect or an engineer I am just speculating here but...

1) I think that the size of the shaft (dimensions) is sort of not relevant.

2) I think that it comes down to a building structure issue. That is, the way that the structure is built in order to support the weight of the car, its passengers, the motor that drives the car, the cables that connect the car to the motor and the other items (rails, doors, etc.) that are all attached to the shaft.

Also, there has to be a theoretical maximum height for any shaft because at that point the weight of the car, passengers and cables become too heavy for a cable of practical thickness to support. When that maximum height is reached the solution is to then create a midpoint elevator lobby with a new shaft arrangement to continue to the top of the structure.

Still, this would be like building a cruise ship and forgetting to put in the kitchens that go with the dining rooms.

More like electing a President that has no clue as to be President. No one would ever do that now would they......er wait....what, we did it twice?? Oh f**k! See how easy it is to screw up? An entire population has done it twice and some of those are willing to make it permanent.

[Libertas]

Spain is socialist.  'Nuff said.

[ToddF]

Update: Does That 47 Story Spanish High-Rise Have Elevators or Not?

You Would Think That Someone Would Get Fired Over This

Yes, everyone in low information American media that fluked this story up from the get go.  But it ain't gonna happen.