Topic: "The Liberty Amendments"

[Pandora]

citadelcc.vo.llnwd.net/o29/network/Levin/hosted_files/LibertyAmendmentsCh1.pdf

Mark Levin's new book, introduction chapter.  The book is out today.

The chapter is worth checking out to get an idea of what he's proposing.

Thomas Lifson's take, American Thinker

[IronDioPriest]

They had a pretty extensive interview with Levin over at Breitbart regarding this book and his proposed amendments. I admire Mark Levin so much. His constitutional passion and intellect are well-matched. If only more people with passion like his had intellect to match.

I fear his appeal is too little too late. But as he states, he's not willing to go without trying. He trusts in the constitution enough to believe that it is our only hope. It may be, but I think it is more likely to be an existing amendment that saves us than a new one, IYKWIMAITYD.

[Pandora]

They had a pretty extensive interview with Levin over at Breitbart regarding this book and his proposed amendments. I admire Mark Levin so much. His constitutional passion and intellect are well-matched. If only more people with passion like his had intellect to match.

I missed that, so I went and found it:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/08/12/Interview-Mark-Levin-Liberty-Amendments-Breitbart-News

I fear his appeal is too little too late. But as he states, he's not willing to go without trying. He trusts in the constitution enough to believe that it is our only hope. It may be, but I think it is more likely to be an existing amendment that saves us than a new one, IYKWIMAITYD.

Yes, I do know.

Most days I agree; some days I don't know what to think.  Depends on how inundated I feel by each new usurpation.

[Glock32]

There's an idiot in the reviews on Amazon claiming that Levin and his proposals are "fascism".  Yes, everyone knows that limiting the power and scope of government is the hallmark of fascism.

[Pandora]

There's an idiot in the reviews on Amazon claiming that Levin and his proposals are "fascism".  Yes, everyone knows that limiting the power and scope of government is the hallmark of fascism.

There's another idiot in Breitbart's comments screeching that Levin's proposal for amending the Constitution, in accordance with the very method outlined in the Constitution, is subverting the Constitution.

You canNOT make this stuff up.

[IronDioPriest]

They had a pretty extensive interview with Levin over at Breitbart regarding this book and his proposed amendments....

I missed that, so I went and found it:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/08/12/Interview-Mark-Levin-Liberty-Amendments-Breitbart-News

Sorry and thank you... I should have posted that link.

[IronDioPriest]

...some days I don't know what to think.  Depends on how inundated I feel by each new usurpation.

I'm with ya sister. It does bear noting that some people we respect do not believe hope is lost. People like Levin, Beck, Limbaugh and others. Now, one might suggest that their livelihood depends on a certain degree of optimism - that ceding total defeat would render the need for their message moot. I can see that point of view. But at the end of the day, I think these people and others like them have brilliant minds, deep love for the country, and are of a mindset that the ONLY option for saving the country in a peaceful manner is for people who believe it can be done to manifest that reality. In other words, giving up hope is not a strategy, and working against the enemy is.

It's hard for me to hold onto that point of view.

[AlanS]

I fear his appeal is too little too late. But as he states, he's not willing to go without trying. He trusts in the constitution enough to believe that it is our only hope. It may be, but I think it is more likely to be an existing amendment that saves us than a new one, IYKWIMAITYD.

It's gonna be hard for the Constitution to save us when the ruling elite COMPLETELY ignore it.

[Glock32]

The Constitution includes measures that are meant to correct a ruling elite who completely ignore it. It matters only that the citizenry not completely ignore it.

[Glock32]

I think the Achilles' Heel of Levin's argument is found in the Breitbart interview:

This book is written for those of us who fear what is happening to our nation--the increasing authoritarianism and abuse of the individual--and refuse to accept these events either by pretending they are not serious or as the inevitable decline of a great republic. This has been building for decades, since at least the advent of the Progressive era, and, in my view, requires a resolute, decades'-long effort to reverse course. So, the question arises, what do we do? For those of us who care, my book explores some of the possibilities. And they are provided in the Constitution itself.

I admire the man's keen intellect.  I ordered the book.  I will read it and agree with practically everything it says.  But the part above in bold is the pipe dream part of it.  We do not have the time or demographics for anything like a decades-long pushback.  Why do you think massive immigration and amnesty are such big planks in the Left's platform?  They've known all along that would be how they would eliminate the "old America" and cement themselves as unchallenged rulers of this Leviathan they've created.

I also know Levin is not by any means a naive person, and he has surely considered this point.  Part of me thinks he might be writing this as one final, cogent declaration of why we consider the current order to be corrupt, illegitimate, and treasonous.  An exegesis, if you will. They did leaflet Japan before the atomic bombs, after all.  That's really how I see all political action anymore.  I have no delusions about any of it actually halting or reversing the destruction, but as something like an open letter to history declaring things as we see them and explaining the motivations so that in some future time none can say there was no warning of imminent troubled times.

[Libertas]

Sadly, this is 20 years too late.  We're in the chute and there is but one exit.

[warpmine]

Sadly, this is 20 years too late.  We're in the chute and there is but one exit.

.................heading toward the dumpster of history.

[Pandora]

Sean Hannity has Mark Levin on tonight, explaining the concepts in the book, along with a panel of conservatives -- Monica Crowley, Michelle Malkin, David Limbaugh, Deneen Borelli, Nigel Innis, David Webb, Joel Pollack and others -- asking questions.

I tuned in late and am hoping it will run again at midnight.

For those whom are annoyed by Levin's voice, this is not like his radio show; he's very calm, and lucid and articulate.

[trapeze]

The problem with his proposal is that it requires a president and congress and SCOTUS who will honor and obey the Constitution. Since we don't have that now it seems that Levin's idea, while good, will largely be an exercise in futility.

I heard him express a lot of frustration with a caller when that minor detail was pointed out today.

[Pandora]

The problem with his proposal is that it requires a president and congress and SCOTUS who will honor and obey the Constitution. Since we don't have that now it seems that Levin's idea, while good, will largely be an exercise in futility.

I heard him express a lot of frustration with a caller when that minor detail was pointed out today.

Get enough of the State legislatures involved, via this process, and steps can and will be taken to remedy that.

[IronDioPriest]

I think it's going to take extra-constitutional measures. I've said it so many times, but I really think that outright defiance of the federal government is the answer. We either need a business or industry backed by the power of a sovereign state to refuse to abide by an unconstitutional edict, or we need a sovereign state itself to do so.

Take the coal situation, just for one example of hundreds. West Virginia should stand up against the federal government on behalf of the coal miners in their state. Issue a lawful order from the legislature signed by the governor mandating business as usual in direct defiance of the federal government. Ignore any federal court orders or edicts from the justice department. Guard the county line with national guard. Guard the private property of the business with county sheriff's deputies. Make it known that any federal agent attempting to enforce the unconstitutional edicts will be arrested, detained, and driven to the state line.

Force those sons-of-bitches to either roll in with tanks, or stand down. Make the federal government force the issue, and see just how many Americans will stand by while the feds try to forcefully close down a coal mine in West Virginia.

Lives, fortunes, and sacred honor. Do we have any of that spirit left?

[warpmine]

I think it's going to take extra-constitutional measures. I've said it so many times, but I really think that outright defiance of the federal government is the answer. We either need a business or industry backed by the power of a sovereign state to refuse to abide by an unconstitutional edict, or we need a sovereign state itself to do so.

Take the coal situation, just for one example of hundreds. West Virginia should stand up against the federal government on behalf of the coal miners in their state. Issue a lawful order from the legislature signed by the governor mandating business as usual in direct defiance of the federal government. Ignore any federal court orders or edicts from the justice department. Guard the county line with national guard. Guard the private property of the business with county sheriff's deputies. Make it known that any federal agent attempting to enforce the unconstitutional edicts will be arrested, detained, and driven to the state line.

Force those sons-of-bitches to either roll in with tanks, or stand down. Make the federal government force the issue, and see just how many Americans will stand by while the feds try to forcefully close down a coal mine in West Virginia.

Lives, fortunes, and sacred honor. Do we have any of that spirit left?

Agreed and we've been hollering this for months.
Sacred Honor, not from the bunch in DC and from we've been able to observe, it looks as if the state of OK is the only one to which we may find it in govt.

[Weisshaupt]

Make it known that any federal agent attempting to enforce the unconstitutional edicts will be arrested, detained, and driven to the state line.

"Make it known that any federal agent attempting to enforce the unconstitutional edicts will be arrested, tried, found guilty of treason against the people of the United States and publicly hanged for their crime. "

There - Fixed it for you.

[Weisshaupt]

The problem with his proposal is that it requires a president and congress and SCOTUS who will honor and obey the Constitution. Since we don't have that now it seems that Levin's idea, while good, will largely be an exercise in futility.

I heard him express a lot of frustration with a caller when that minor detail was pointed out today.

My own opinion has always been in favor of a bill of rights; provided it be so framed as not to imply powers not meant to be included in the enumeration. At the same time I have never thought the omission a material defect, nor been anxious to supply it even by subsequent amendment, for any other reason than that it is anxiously desired by others. I have favored it because I supposed it might be of use, and if properly executed could not be of disservice. I have not viewed it in an important light—1. because I conceive that in a certain degree, though not in the extent argued by Mr. Wilson, the rights in question are reserved by the manner in which the federal powers are granted. 2 because there is great reason to fear that a positive declaration of some of the most essential rights could not be obtained in the requisite latitude. I am sure that the rights of conscience in particular, if submitted to public definition would be narrowed much more than they are likely ever to be by an assumed power. One of the objections in New England was that the Constitution by prohibiting religious tests, opened a door for Jews Turks & infidels. 3. because the limited powers of the federal Government and the jealousy of the subordinate Governments, afford a security which has not existed in the case of the State Governments, and exists in no other. 4. because experience proves the inefficacy of a bill of rights on those occasions when its controul is most needed. Repeated violations of these parchment barriers have been committed by overbearing majorities in every State. In Virginia I have seen the bill of rights violated in every instance where it has been opposed to a popular current. Notwithstanding the explicit provision contained in that instrument for the rights of Conscience, it is well known that a religious establishment wd have taken place in that State, if the Legislative majority had found as they expected, a majority of the people in favor of the measure; and I am persuaded that if a majority of the people were now of one sect, the measure would still take place and on narrower ground than was then proposed, notwithstanding the additional obstacle which the law has since created. Wherever the real power in a Government lies, there is the danger of oppression. In our Governments the real power lies in the majority of the Community, and the invasion of private rights is chiefly to be apprehended, not from acts of Government contrary to the sense of its constituents, but from acts in which the Government is the mere instrument of the major number of the Constituents. This is a truth of great importance, but not yet sufficiently attended to; and is probably more strongly impressed on my mind by facts, and reflections suggested by them, than on yours which has contemplated abuses of power issuing from a very different quarter. Whereever there is an interest and power to do wrong, wrong will generally be done, and not less readily by a powerful & interested party than by a powerful and interested prince. - Letter from James Madison to Thomas Jefferson, Oct 1788

Emphasis Mine

Our problem, my friends, is the vast parasitical population of locusts bound by handouts into a mafia run enterprise. Parchment Barriers will not stop them.  Reasoned Arguments will not stop them. Pleas for justice, civility or respect will fall on their deaf ears, for they have no comprehension of such concepts. They will not abide by new agreements as they have already demonstrated their contempt for the the old ones, and their willingness to lie, cheat and steal  to get their way. You cant stirke a bargain with them they will keep. They have no mercy, no souls and they have no problem with harassing, persecuting and enslaving those who disagree with them. They are narcissistic and sociopathic to the point of not being able to care about anyone but themselves and their own agenda. There is more than enough proof at this point that these things are true. .  The only thing that will stop them before they destroy themselves and us with them, is Severe Trauma delivered by a large assortment of blunt, pointed and ballistic objects - THEY will make this an issue of Liberty of Death, and I would rather die than give them one more inch of my freedom, my life, my decisions or my property. They voted to commit an act of war against us. They deserve no compassion and no mercy. Only death, preferably delivered in the longest, most painful way imaginable - my favorite being starvation. We have suffered new abuse at the hands of their tyrannical bully day after day. Each and every day a new thing that violates our rights, steals our property or undermines our traditions, our values and the  agreement upon which the legitimacy of our government rests.  And the response from the people who voted from him? Silence. No Remorse. No expressions that this wasn't what they wanted. Just dull eyed, addled brained platitudes about hope and change, and accusations that we are racist, hateful or fearful because we dare express outrage at the violations they heap upon us. Every single Obama voter deserves a most painful and prolonged  Death, from the most ardent liberal to the dumbest, most drug addled foot solider.  I pray God brings it to them.

 

[warpmine]

The problem with his proposal is that it requires a president and congress and SCOTUS who will honor and obey the Constitution. Since we don't have that now it seems that Levin's idea, while good, will largely be an exercise in futility.

I heard him express a lot of frustration with a caller when that minor detail was pointed out today.

My own opinion has always been in favor of a bill of rights; provided it be so framed as not to imply powers not meant to be included in the enumeration. At the same time I have never thought the omission a material defect, nor been anxious to supply it even by subsequent amendment, for any other reason than that it is anxiously desired by others. I have favored it because I supposed it might be of use, and if properly executed could not be of disservice. I have not viewed it in an important light—1. because I conceive that in a certain degree, though not in the extent argued by Mr. Wilson, the rights in question are reserved by the manner in which the federal powers are granted. 2 because there is great reason to fear that a positive declaration of some of the most essential rights could not be obtained in the requisite latitude. I am sure that the rights of conscience in particular, if submitted to public definition would be narrowed much more than they are likely ever to be by an assumed power. One of the objections in New England was that the Constitution by prohibiting religious tests, opened a door for Jews Turks & infidels. 3. because the limited powers of the federal Government and the jealousy of the subordinate Governments, afford a security which has not existed in the case of the State Governments, and exists in no other. 4. because experience proves the inefficacy of a bill of rights on those occasions when its controul is most needed. Repeated violations of these parchment barriers have been committed by overbearing majorities in every State. In Virginia I have seen the bill of rights violated in every instance where it has been opposed to a popular current. Notwithstanding the explicit provision contained in that instrument for the rights of Conscience, it is well known that a religious establishment wd have taken place in that State, if the Legislative majority had found as they expected, a majority of the people in favor of the measure; and I am persuaded that if a majority of the people were now of one sect, the measure would still take place and on narrower ground than was then proposed, notwithstanding the additional obstacle which the law has since created. Wherever the real power in a Government lies, there is the danger of oppression. In our Governments the real power lies in the majority of the Community, and the invasion of private rights is chiefly to be apprehended, not from acts of Government contrary to the sense of its constituents, but from acts in which the Government is the mere instrument of the major number of the Constituents. This is a truth of great importance, but not yet sufficiently attended to; and is probably more strongly impressed on my mind by facts, and reflections suggested by them, than on yours which has contemplated abuses of power issuing from a very different quarter. Whereever there is an interest and power to do wrong, wrong will generally be done, and not less readily by a powerful & interested party than by a powerful and interested prince. - Letter from James Madison to Thomas Jefferson, Oct 1788

Emphasis Mine

Our problem, my friends, is the vast parasitical population of locusts bound by handouts into a mafia run enterprise. Parchment Barriers will not stop them.  Reasoned Arguments will not stop them. Pleas for justice, civility or respect will fall on their deaf ears, for they have no comprehension of such concepts. They will not abide by new agreements as they have already demonstrated their contempt for the the old ones, and their willingness to lie, cheat and steal  to get their way. You cant stirke a bargain with them they will keep. They have no mercy, no souls and they have no problem with harassing, persecuting and enslaving those who disagree with them. They are narcissistic and sociopathic to the point of not being able to care about anyone but themselves and their own agenda. There is more than enough proof at this point that these things are true. .  The only thing that will stop them before they destroy themselves and us with them, is Severe Trauma delivered by a large assortment of blunt, pointed and ballistic objects - THEY will make this an issue of Liberty of Death, and I would rather die than give them one more inch of my freedom, my life, my decisions or my property. They voted to commit an act of war against us. They deserve no compassion and no mercy. Only death, preferably delivered in the longest, most painful way imaginable - my favorite being starvation. We have suffered new abuse at the hands of their tyrannical bully day after day. Each and every day a new thing that violates our rights, steals our property or undermines our traditions, our values and the  agreement upon which the legitimacy of our government rests.  And the response from the people who voted from him? Silence. No Remorse. No expressions that this wasn't what they wanted. Just dull eyed, addled brained platitudes about hope and change, and accusations that we are racist, hateful or fearful because we dare express outrage at the violations they heap upon us. Every single Obama voter deserves a most painful and prolonged  Death, from the most ardent liberal to the dumbest, most drug addled foot solider.  I pray God brings it to them.

 

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