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« on: September 18, 2013, 06:45:42 PM »
I was wasting my time the other evening following a rabbit trail on youtube. I started with Jimmy Durante singing "Smile" and from their I ended up with a copy of Walt Disney's silly symphony about the grasshopper and the ant.

I think the original version of the story goes back to Aesop's fables if I can remember, but still, if western civilization could understand the lesson this tale tells for millennia how can it forget it in the short time that has elapsed since karl marx first scribbled his pathetic diatribe against survival of the fittest.

We are currently being led by a president who seems to only care about the grasshopper and holds a great deal of disdain for all the worker ants (even though it was the bounty of the worker ants that saved the grasshopper's ass).

Where are the practical citizens who understand this fable and realize that there aren't enough ants to see all those grasshoppers through the winter. In the Disney cartoon it was easily implied that the grasshopper was not only a lazy, unproductive dolt who lived off the work of others, but with the coming of spring he had not changed his ways and was ready to spend the next season idling away, knowing that the ants would care for him again.

Where are the citizen ants who will show the grasshopper for what he is, a no-good shiftless idler who was a drag on the workers and was in no appreciated.

maybe we should start referring to those (and I mean all of those) who live off the government as unproductive grasshoppers.
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Re: grasshoppers and ants
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2013, 07:47:00 PM »
How many people (besides "us") have even heard of Aesop's fables?  Most couldn't read them let alone explain them.

I fear too many don't care if they're the unproductive.

As weisshaupt mentioned in another thread hard work is it's own reward.  That's not widely known or appreciated.
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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2013, 07:49:47 PM »
As weisshaupt mentioned in another thread hard work is it's own reward.  That's not widely known or appreciated.

It is known, they just fear it.
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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2013, 07:51:52 PM »
while I truly appreciate the depth of knowledge and understanding on this site, you guys are bringing me down with the general attitude that it's all over and the fat lady has already sung.

I do not sense much "fight" left in the right, just a lot of resignation and a contented wait to observe the left thrashing about during the coming apocalypse.

it would be sad if all we have left is the specter of revenge via a really big come-uppance.
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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2013, 07:59:36 PM »
I know every time I post in response to you I feel like I'm being a real bummer. Just my mood lately.

If you knew me in real life, you'd find I'm a pretty upbeat, optimistic person who believes in working hard.  But I am a student of history and realistic.

There were many times during the Revolutionary War that things could have gone bad for the patriots. But it didn't. History isn't linear. It can shift.  I don't think our current course has to be linear BUT it sure looks like it will be. And that  it ends at a cliff.

I don't believe in giving up because while I might not "save" everyone I have to answer to God for my behavior including helping others. Plus as the saying goes the one starfish you throw back into the sea is grateful even if you didn't save them all.
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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2013, 08:34:14 PM »
and just why don't our young people know about Aesop. I am amazed at how the progressive mind can embrace small islands of western culture and discard everything else that doesn't allow them the freedom to think and do what they will, unfettered by any civilizing restrictions.

I graduated from high school in 1968 and spent the next 4 years at college watching the leftist revolution unfold. I returned to school in 1978 for graduate work and was amazed by the radical change and the despondency among older more traditional professors who saw the dissolution of the educational process and the implementation of affirmative action and bell curve grading that inflated grades and depressed academic achievement. there was also a pall over any "traditional" thinking as if championing what had been the status quo was somehow returning to the dark ages. (and most of my classmates, a generation younger than I, were already displaying the lack of vigor and intellectual curiosity that would become the hallmark of the OWS crowd.

maybe it is because I saw and experienced what was before "the change" that I feel so desperate to prevent the inevitable
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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2013, 09:58:36 PM »
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Sometimes a thing gets broke can't be fixed. -Kaylee.


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Firefly is a wonderful Science Fiction Western, with an entertaining mix of high and low technology, a crew filled with memorable characters, and excellent writing and directing. In one of the best episodes, “Out of Gas”, the Serenity is damaged and adrift in space, without life support. Captain Mal, who is both deeply cynical and even more deeply optimistic, tells his genius engineer Kaylee to fix the problem and get them moving again.

Emphasis mine. (Not sure if you are a Fan WhimsialMamaPig, but Firefly has been succor for me, )  We are all Captain Reynolds.  The approaching Armageddon is both disaster and opportunity.  Our course to that cliff is linear.  What happens after.. that is not.

The right doesn't have to fight. At least not at a game they have rigged so we can't win. The Left's quarrel is with reality. Its with Human nature. It is with GOD HIMSELF.  I am placing my bets on God in that conflict. As Lady V pointed out, The Hand of God can be seen throughout the American Revolution.  From Plymouth  Rock splitting asunder. , to the unique and miraculous assembly of flawed and different men that Produced first the Declaration and then the Constitution, to the many Battles where divine providence stepped in to save Washington and his men, to Franklin's appeal to Prayer at the Constitutional Convention after which a months long deadlock was broken,  to the fact that Jefferson and Adams died on the same day, the 4th of July, 50 years to the day .  The more you read our history, the more evident the Hand of God is in it.

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Bendis: We're gonna die.
Mal: We're not gonna die. We can't die, Bendis. And you know why? Because we are so... very... pretty. We are just too pretty for God to let us die. Huh? Look at that chiseled jaw, huh? Come on!

America is too pretty for God to let it die. And if I am wrong,and  it is  God's will in judgement for our wicked ways, then I will die with it. (and believe me, most of  the Left can't even conceive that we would do such a thing - they are convinced once we are forced to "pass it so we can see whats in it" (just like any other turd)  we will join them)

We can no longer prevent the disaster. You are correct that "Fat Lady has sung"  and we have nothing to do now but wait, and that is hard. Unless they move against us- unless they move to take control via a police state,  their power will simply wane and fade as the dollar simply collapses out from under them.  Will we get "revenge via a really big come-uppance"?  Don't know.  Yes, my heart wishes to see them suffer, for reality to smack them down just as we said it would, to callously regard them in their suffering as they callously regarded us when they  persecuted us and violated our rights. But, given history, these barbarians will fight to retain power, and they will start a civil war and the  balkanization of Geographic America. But, America isn't a place. Its a worldview. Anywhere we live, it lives. The Grasshoppers can't kill all of the ants or THEY won't survive the winter and the ants won't be enslaved.  One way or another, we will be free, and these vermin will have no power over us. Be that in life or in death.
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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2013, 10:28:55 PM »
Weisshaupt is right. The Left's fight ultimately is not with us, it is with reality. Almost every pathetic little bromide uttered by the Left amounts to so much whining about the nature of existence itself. Most of us learned "life ain't fair" at relatively young ages. I was taught that. I was also taught that it didn't mean I had to like it, I just had to understand it for what it is.

The Left's fight against Truth is already lost for them. The question mark is, how much havoc will they wreak in their struggle against it? I believe it was St. Augustine who said "the Truth requires no defense. It need only be set free and it will defend itself."

I suppose as a new member of the forum it does seem awfully cynical here. That's because most of the members here have been corresponding almost daily for several years, and there's been something akin to a "regression to the mean" in terms of attitude. But it's also because we've seen our nominal representatives squander so many golden opportunities that it becomes harder and harder to chalk it up to mere incompetence on their part. I don't think "resignation" is the right description for us....more like biding time, waiting for the enemy to make himself vulnerable.

I appreciate the fact that you approach these problems from a fresh angle (for sure, there's a certain amount of group-think even here) and am glad you are willing to call out Eeyore-ness when you see it.
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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2013, 10:46:30 PM »
I appreciate the fact that you approach these problems from a fresh angle (for sure, there's a certain amount of group-think even here) and am glad you are willing to call out Eeyore-ness when you see it.

Is it bad that I smile a bit when my friends call me Eeyore?
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Re: grasshoppers and ants
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2013, 07:06:15 AM »
while I truly appreciate the depth of knowledge and understanding on this site, you guys are bringing me down with the general attitude that it's all over and the fat lady has already sung.

I do not sense much "fight" left in the right, just a lot of resignation and a contented wait to observe the left thrashing about during the coming apocalypse.

it would be sad if all we have left is the specter of revenge via a really big come-uppance.

I think if you hang around, you'll notice that not all here are completely doom and gloom. The nature of watching the Leftists so closely, and discussing their transgressions so regularly, does have the effect of reinforcing a negative view. It's something we've discussed at length.

Some here are of the opinion that it is all over, and that our task will be to pick up the pieces. Others are of the opinion that there is still plenty of reason to fight. Personally, I lean more in the latter camp, but boy oh boy, I have my days, I tell ya.
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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2013, 08:07:40 AM »
Hope for the best, plan for the worst...minimizes the severity of surprises!   ;)
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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2013, 09:57:56 AM »
I said just yesterday, "I am a pessimist, because if I expect the worst and it happens I am prepared to deal with the outcome, but when the worst doesn't happen I am happy.  Worst case is what I expected, best case I'm pleased anything between are varying degrees of happiness."

As a side note Weisshaupt you are very wise.  I enjoy reading your posts because they may not always be upbeat, but they always give me incite.
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« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2013, 11:03:55 AM »
ok, I see all your points, being of advanced years, I understand the concept of waiting and observing, but I must say I feel apprehensive for my children and grandchildren.  I know they have not been given the strength of insight that we of older years were fortunate to get from viable schools.

I have been more successful with my first born in inculcating in him my feelings about this nation, but my first grandchild is entering junior high school and is already apathetic at best and mis-informed at worst about her culture and nation unless her father re-educates her when he finds errors that have been funneled into her head by the local school system
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« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2013, 11:39:10 AM »
ok, I see all your points, being of advanced years, I understand the concept of waiting and observing, but I must say I feel apprehensive for my children and grandchildren.  I know they have not been given the strength of insight that we of older years were fortunate to get from viable schools.

I have been more successful with my first born in inculcating in him my feelings about this nation, but my first grandchild is entering junior high school and is already apathetic at best and mis-informed at worst about her culture and nation unless her father re-educates her when he finds errors that have been funneled into her head by the local school system

I am a bit younger - 50 - and I have similar concerns about my children and one grandchild.

My oldest daughter is married, she and her husband both staunch conservatives, Christians, and at the very least in tune with conservative media. Not 100% sure how that translates to ideology or action, but they're on the right side of the fence. But my grandson is only 5. I worry for him, just because there is so long to go before he reaches adulthood. I would not see him robbed of childhood by the Left stealing his opportunity to live in America as it was intended to be.

My older son, frankly, I worry. He is very bright. Brilliantly so, I would say. Which made him a favorite of his teachers all through high school. He's off to college now, at the uber-liberal University of Minnesota, and I fear for him. He's a good guy, a smart guy, and seems to "get" things. But he's also demonstrated some more liberal tendencies in regard to homosexual marriage, multi-culturalism, illegal immigration, etc. All these things are rooted in his youthful desire to be kind and accepting.

I have tried to warn him that professors will attempt to conflate his more liberal opinions on these social issues with Leftist thinking - use his open-mindedness as a platform to challenge all his beliefs - and fill the void with Marxist equivalence, ie; if mom and dad are wrong about gay marriage, and people who approve of gay marriage are progressives, then you are aligned with progressives, thus mom and dad are wrong about capitalism. He seems aware of this tactic, and receptive to my warnings. I am hopeful, but with him, I wait to see...

My younger son, I have little concern. He's more of a black-and-white kid. He's a senior in high school, and I think he's got pretty clear cut opinions about right and wrong, and the evil of collectivism.

Then there's my 8 year old daughter, adopted from China. We received her in 2005, when she was 11 months old. When we made the decision to adopt, I never would have imagined that we were bringing her to a place where there would be a debate over whether or not to become like the place we took her from. I fear for her most of all - that America will let her down. A part of me even fears that given the right set of circumstances, America will end up worse than China. I shudder at the thought that we rescued her from what was surely a life in hell as an abandoned orphan released onto the streets upon reaching age 12 - into a family who intended to provide her with all the opportunity and abundance of the United States of America - only to see America fall to the same evil ideology that plagues the country from which we rescued her.

Alas. It's one of those days.
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Re: grasshoppers and ants
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2013, 11:57:58 AM »
earlier this morning I was watching a documentary on the 7 deadly sins and the sin of the day was greed. If you accept the premise that greed was the prime motivator for man's evolution out of the trees and into the cities then you know that the socialist progressive ideology is inevitably doomed as even the most ardent socialist will need to eat and when the welfare state is broke he will need to develop his capitalist skills to survive.

I am also reading barry cunliffe's between the oceans 9000-1000 bc  and it was only with the entrance of trade into Europe that the various cultures evolved beyond simple hunter/gatherer cultures (I use them as examples of the only truly successful spread-the-wealth societies).
the beginnings of the consumption of luxury goods as a display of wealth and power was seen with this change and we have been on this path of consumerism one way or the other as a species since we left our hunter/gatherer societies in the dust.

what we have at this time is a concerted effort by the socialists of the world to perpetuate their myth through the indoctrination of our weakest link,(our youth with still impressionable not fully developed sense of self).

These propagandists need to be exposed on a regular basis for the frauds that they are rather than being given the deference and respect that the medieval and renaissance clergy were given before the protestant revolution.

we need a revolution along the lines of the one perpetrated by Martin Luther who exposed the corruption and fallibility of the catholic church of that time. and while he had the advantage of the newly developed media of the printing press we now have the internet to do the same
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« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2013, 12:08:03 PM »
As a side note Weisshaupt you are very wise.  I enjoy reading your posts because they may not always be upbeat, but they always give me incite.
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« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2013, 12:20:07 PM »
As a side note Weisshaupt you are very wise.  I enjoy reading your posts because they may not always be upbeat, but they always give me incite.
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« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2013, 12:24:35 PM »
I appreciate the fact that you approach these problems from a fresh angle (for sure, there's a certain amount of group-think even here) and am glad you are willing to call out Eeyore-ness when you see it.

Is it bad that I smile a bit when my friends call me Eeyore?


Same here. My family even called me Eeyore as a child. I have always been an "old man" even as a young child. It's not so much that I am a Glass Half Empty type, but rather a Glass Half Empty. And broken. With shards of glass in the bottom. And I probably just swallowed some. type.
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« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2013, 12:27:34 PM »
I appreciate the fact that you approach these problems from a fresh angle (for sure, there's a certain amount of group-think even here) and am glad you are willing to call out Eeyore-ness when you see it.

Is it bad that I smile a bit when my friends call me Eeyore?


Same here. My family even called me Eeyore as a child. I have always been an "old man" even as a young child. It's not so much that I am a Glass Half Empty type, but rather a Glass Half Empty. And broken. With shards of glass in the bottom. And I probably just swallowed some. type.

LOL.  Sorry, don't mean to laugh, that was just too good not to.
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« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2013, 12:08:21 AM »
I appreciate the fact that you approach these problems from a fresh angle (for sure, there's a certain amount of group-think even here) and am glad you are willing to call out Eeyore-ness when you see it.

Is it bad that I smile a bit when my friends call me Eeyore?


Same here. My family even called me Eeyore as a child. I have always been an "old man" even as a young child. It's not so much that I am a Glass Half Empty type, but rather a Glass Half Empty. And broken. With shards of glass in the bottom. And I probably just swallowed some. type.

LOL.  Sorry, don't mean to laugh, that was just too good not to.


In fact, my role as the family Eeyore is so well established that my brother got me this glass (seen here modeling a lovely local Märzen):






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