TOLEDO, OH — A bizarre scene was recorded in Toledo involving an officer aiming his Taser at an entire family, including a boy, as they were forced to lay in the middle of the street. According to witnesses, the aggressive encounter originated when a man questioned the way an officer was handling a license plate citation for his neighbor. The man who spoke up, and his entire family, were ripped from their vehicle and threatened with a taser.
http://www.policestateusa.com/2013/bizarre-scene-toledo-cop-holds-entire-family-ground-taser/
I guess this wouldn't have happened to this family either, Euph, if they'd not stopped and spoken up.
Strawman.
The drunk woman -- based on what was in the article -- was arrested due to her operating a motor vehicle under the influence of alcohol.
The situation you're citing appears to be a cop being a bully.
Those two situations aren't even remotely similar.
No, not "strawman".
The woman was suspected of DUI. There are protocols in place for dealing with that and those cops bullied her above and beyond what one would presume are the protocols, mouthy or not. That she was drunk, and in custody, it does not follow that a stripping is a rational response to that.
It's exactly the same as the cop bullying that family in the middle of the street -- how much you want to bet the cop was screaming obstruction of justice? So, if they hadn't stopped (hadn't been driving drunk) none of it would have happened.
I just don't see how the two situations are even remotely related and based on the classic definitions of "straw man" or "straw man fallacy", that's exactly what your comparison is. You are trying to compare a drunk woman who is in the police station in the process of being searched with a man and his family who, in the process of sticking their nose into a situation involving a friend who is being cited by most likely an overbearing or bullying cop, they wind up on the ground with a taser pointed at them.
To make matters worse for your straw man argument, the article clearly says the man's wife got lippy with the cop when he got back in the truck after registering his "complaint" with the cop citing the man's friend.
You can scream police brutality all you want, the fact remains the woman would not have been arrested
at all had she not been drinking and driving.
That is a stone fact.Another stone fact is had the man not gotten out of his truck and approached a cop in the performance of his duties, registering a "complaint," HE wouldn't have wound up on the ground either.
Now, that said,
I guess you missed the part where I said that I didn't and don't condone what the cops did to the drunk woman. Based on purely the soundless video, there's no way the cops could remotely justify that behavior. And while I'm on the subject, even a lippy woman isn't grounds to put that woman and her entire family on the pavement with a taser pointed at them.But let's look at this in a little more detail.At one point in the video, the woman made some sort of sudden move while she was being patted down. Her arms were up on the wall and it looked to me like the female officer was in the process of determining whether or not the drunk had a weapon on her. Bingo, the woman winds up on the floor and that's were things went south.
Both instances revealed cops who, at least based on what we're permitted to see in the form of the video and photos, probably overreacted. That isn't right and they should be held accountable.
The premise of my argument is, basically, "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes." Driving drunk is stupid behavior. Going off on a cop in the performance of his duties is also fundamentally stupid. Neither the man nor the woman had any business getting mouthy with the cop.
Had they had a problem with what the cop was doing, they could have registered a complaint with the police department and gone down that road. Instead, they stick their nose where it doesn't belong and complain when those same noses wind up getting intimate with asphalt.