Topic: Dear Liberal, Here is why I'm so hostile

[IronDioPriest]

It's a mid-length piece; I'd recommend reading the whole thing.

It's nothing we haven't discussed, but it is articulated in a clear, concise way that leaves no misunderstandings. If you're questioning the value of the hatred in your heart for the Leftists, this puts that value into words, in a calm, matter-of-fact fashion. I found it edifying.

Dear Liberal, Here's why I'm so hostile

Lately, I must admit that my hostility towards your political ilk has ramped up, pretty dramatically.  No, it’s not because we, at this point in my life, have a half-black president in the White House, and I’m some closet racist who is becoming increasingly frustrated at the prospects of the White Man’s power slipping through my fingers.  I know that thought keeps you warm at night, but I can assure you that it is a comfortable fiction of which you should probably divest yourself.

Now before I waste too much of your time, let’s establish who I’m talking to...

[warpmine]

Yes, yes, this says it in the most basic terms even a liberal/progressive can verstunde err understand

[Pablo de Fleurs]

Heading off to my Monday night Men's Bible Study (studying 'gods @ War') - haven't read the article - but consider the anger (approaching hatred for the president) to be righteous anger. I'm sure he'd claim righteousness, too...but anyone uttering "God bless Planned Parenthood" is most definitely on the wrong side of God's judgment (never mind pro-homo, infanticide, Black Lib theology)...and his followers are merely drones.

I also identify with what must have been a righteous anger of the colonial army led by General George Washington & why I sarcastically allude to George admonishing his men to lay down their muskets and read scripture to the British army...no it was time to kill in defense of tyranny & religious oppression.

Finally there's this, written by King David

Psalm 109

Psalm 109

New King James Version (NKJV)
Plea for Judgment of False Accusers
To the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David.

Do not keep silent,
O God of my praise!
2 For the mouth of the wicked and the mouth of the deceitful
Have opened against me;
They have spoken against me with a lying tongue.
3 They have also surrounded me with words of hatred,
And fought against me without a cause.
4 In return for my love they are my accusers,
But I give myself to prayer.
5 Thus they have rewarded me evil for good,
And hatred for my love.

6 Set a wicked man over him,
And let an accuser[a] stand at his right hand.
7 When he is judged, let him be found guilty,
And let his prayer become sin.
8 Let his days be few,
And let another take his office.
9 Let his children be fatherless,
And his wife a widow.
10 Let his children continually be vagabonds, and beg;
Let them seek their bread also from their desolate places.
11 Let the creditor seize all that he has,
And let strangers plunder his labor.
12 Let there be none to extend mercy to him,
Nor let there be any to favor his fatherless children.
13 Let his posterity be cut off,
And in the generation following let their name be blotted out.

14 Let the iniquity of his fathers be remembered before the Lord,
And let not the sin of his mother be blotted out.
15 Let them be continually before the Lord,
That He may cut off the memory of them from the earth;
16 Because he did not remember to show mercy,
But persecuted the poor and needy man,
That he might even slay the broken in heart.
17 As he loved cursing, so let it come to him;
As he did not delight in blessing, so let it be far from him.
18 As he clothed himself with cursing as with his garment,
So let it enter his body like water,
And like oil into his bones.
19 Let it be to him like the garment which covers him,
And for a belt with which he girds himself continually.
20 Let this be the Lord’s reward to my accusers,
And to those who speak evil against my person.

21 But You, O GOD the Lord,
Deal with me for Your name’s sake;
Because Your mercy is good, deliver me.
22 For I am poor and needy,
And my heart is wounded within me.
23 I am gone like a shadow when it lengthens;
I am shaken off like a locust.
24 My knees are weak through fasting,
And my flesh is feeble from lack of fatness.
25 I also have become a reproach to them;
When they look at me, they shake their heads.

26 Help me, O Lord my God!
Oh, save me according to Your mercy,
27 That they may know that this is Your hand—
That You, Lord, have done it!
28 Let them curse, but You bless;
When they arise, let them be ashamed,
But let Your servant rejoice.
29 Let my accusers be clothed with shame,
And let them cover themselves with their own disgrace as with a mantle.

30 I will greatly praise the Lord with my mouth;
Yes, I will praise Him among the multitude.
31 For He shall stand at the right hand of the poor,
To save him from those who condemn him.

If you truly stand with the Lord Jesus Christ (not that He's pro-America or pro-republican) against those who openly mock Him via their legislative agenda & then attempt to claim righteousness as theirs...we can be angry with them. This "Jesus as Socialist", "Jesus as pro-gay", "Jesus as a married man" is all pure bullsh*t.

And the Jesus that returns (yeah the Wool-Haired guy with the split tongue sword)...THAT Jesus will have something to say to them.

[Pandora]

And, sure as night following day, along comes this guy, totally missing the point ...

Jay Cullen • 2 hours ago

So basically your point is, you have all this stuff and you are not willing to share it. That's an internally consistent belief, but an amoral one.

... because that's all they understand, stuff.

[Weisshaupt]

Yes, yes, this says it in the most basic terms even a liberal/progressive can verstunde err understand

No, they will NEVER understand.  At  fundamental level, they  do not believe other people have rights. They are sociopaths, who believe everyone else is simply property of the collective, to be used, abused and sacrificed as needed to get what they want.

They talk about Palin not being a "real woman", a Conservative Black as not being "Authentic", a Conservative Gay as being "illegitimate" - because ANYONE who doesn't fall in lockstep with their world view is  not an "authentic person" and can be discarded as less than human- beneath contempt, and without rights and undeserving of compassion or empathy.  Only a "liberal" is a real person, just as only Nazis  were Authentic "Aryians"

They don't see you as a person. You are part of the landscape. Somewhere  in between a Tree and rock, and they can not consider you, as a person, at all.
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[IronDioPriest]

And, sure as night following day, along comes this guy, totally missing the point ...

Jay Cullen • 2 hours ago

So basically your point is, you have all this stuff and you are not willing to share it. That's an internally consistent belief, but an amoral one.

... because that's all they understand, stuff.

One would have to try real f***in' hard to read that and come away with that as the synopsis.

Leftists cannot deal with the truth in ANY venue. It ALWAYS shines, and forces them to pretend not to see.

[Weisshaupt]

... because that's all they understand, stuff.

Yes. Not YOUR stuff and MY stuff. Just stuff. And YOU are just "stuff" to them as well.

Me Is Mine, You Is Yours

[IronDioPriest]

Yes, yes, this says it in the most basic terms even a liberal/progressive can verstunde err understand

No, they will NEVER understand.  At  fundamental level, they  do not believe other people have rights. They are sociopaths, who believe everyone else is simply property of the collective, to be used, abused and sacrificed as needed to get what they want.

They talk about Palin not being a "real woman", a Conservative Black as not being "Authentic", a Conservative Gay as being "illegitimate" - because ANYONE who doesn't fall in lockstep with their world view is  not an "authentic person" and can be discarded as less than human- beneath contempt, and without rights and undeserving of compassion or empathy.  Only a "liberal" is a real person, just as only Nazis  were Authentic "Aryians"

They don't see you as a person. You are part of the landscape. Somewhere  in between a Tree and rock, and they can not consider you, as a person, at all.
.

I don't believe that. I believe that they have to ACT as if it is how you describe. But they know you're a person. They know that in order for them to get their way, someone else must have their freedom taken.

The truth forces them to take these ridiculous positions in order to hold their house of cards together. Hence, a Black conservative is not authentically Black, or Sarah Palin is not authentically female. They must twist and turn to hold onto these things. They don't really believe them at the core. They just believe in Leftism more than the value of truth.

[warpmine]

Yes, yes, this says it in the most basic terms even a liberal/progressive can verstunde err understand

No, they will NEVER understand.  At  fundamental level, they  do not believe other people have rights. They are sociopaths, who believe everyone else is simply property of the collective, to be used, abused and sacrificed as needed to get what they want.

They talk about Palin not being a "real woman", a Conservative Black as not being "Authentic", a Conservative Gay as being "illegitimate" - because ANYONE who doesn't fall in lockstep with their world view is  not an "authentic person" and can be discarded as less than human- beneath contempt, and without rights and undeserving of compassion or empathy.  Only a "liberal" is a real person, just as only Nazis  were Authentic "Aryians"

They don't see you as a person. You are part of the landscape. Somewhere  in between a Tree and rock, and they can not consider you, as a person, at all.
.

I think they do understand it's just that they don't care and you've stated that in previous posts regarding progressive trash so it really isn't about understanding where(conservative) you're coming from, it's just about whether or not they can enforce it at the barrel of a gun. If that's the case and we know it to be so, killing them is a moral imperative .

[Weisshaupt]

They must twist and turn to hold onto these things. They don't really believe them at the core. They just believe in Leftism more than the value of truth.

Do you have any evidence for supposing that?

Leftism dictates that they ignore the rights of others. Treat them as stuff collectively owned.  If you accept leftism, then you accept that as its fundamental premise - Gemeinnutz geht vor eigennutz.  If they saw us as individuals - with legitimate and authentic ideas in our own right,  they would have to respond in some way to accusations that they are steeping on the rights of others, they would have to acknowledge their use of force as at least a potentially immoral act. They never respond.  Exhibit A:  "Stuff" guy.  He will not acknowledge it is YOUR stuff - he completed missed the entire discussion and saw only Stuff that someone was trying ( unfairly!) to keep for himself - such stuff to include his OWN ideas. His own Conscience. His own Pursuit of Happiness. To him, it all  belongs to the community. Freedom is what you have left over after the community has made its demands. The Community decides how much STUFF belongs to the community. You have no say because  YOU - your body and soul - belong ( in a ownership sense)  to the community.   YOU are stuff to be distributed or sacrificed. You are part of the herd.  You must obey the shepherd. The Shepherd OWNS you.  To be fair, it is also how most of them see themselves- as sheep, thankful to do as they are told and to be absolved of the responsibility of thinking for themselves. .  The others see themselves as the Shepherds, a type of life orders of magnitude above the herd, anointed to guide them to utopia. And if you have to kill or hobble  the wayward sheep, so what?  The Sheep is your ward and property, you can do what you want with it, right? 

They do not regard you as an equal. They do not recognize your person-hood, for to do so would deny the moral basis of leftism.  They do not think the objective  truth is useful ( see Howard Zinn)  Its all about them and how you serve them.  If you do not serve, then you are to be destroyed without consideration.
This is what allowed Mao, Pol-pot, Hilter, and Stalin.  They do not see others as people. That is how they manage to shove Jews in to Stock Cars, how they manage to demand a harvest of the people they denied seed to plant, how they empty cities and how they support abortion, euthanasia  and eugenics.  You are just an egg to be broken to make an omelet.

Make no mistake.  They don't see you as human.  Your only value is in what they think they can get out of you.

[IronDioPriest]

They must twist and turn to hold onto these things. They don't really believe them at the core. They just believe in Leftism more than the value of truth.

Do you have any evidence for supposing that?

Yeah, truth. Can it be denied that I am human? Can it be denied that Sarah Palin is a female? Can it be denied that Clarence Thomas is Black?

In all three cases, the answer is, "of course not."

So what are we left with deducing, when Leftists claim the opposite of the obvious truth? All Leftists know that saying Sarah Palin is not a true female is false on its face. Their position forces them to conjure ridiculous justifications for statements that are obviously false.

Now, if you're going to argue that Leftists will treat you as if you are not human, I won't argue against that. They see us as individuals; they're just such believers in their ideology, our individuality does not matter to them.

[Pandora]

That's fair.  They know, they just don't care.

[Weisshaupt]

Yeah, truth. Can it be denied that I am human? Can it be denied that Sarah Palin is a female? Can it be denied that Clarence Thomas is Black?

Can it be denied? The left does it EVERY. DAY.  . Objective truth is impossible, and it weren't its undesirable, so sayeth Howard Zinn.  The adherents of Leftism deny there is such a thing as Truth. There is only "political truth" or "practical truth" - which is any statement that allows them to obtain what they want.

Stalin denied you were human.  You are an egg to be broken for the glorious Cause.
Sarah Palin isn't a "real woman" - the left thinks  it is okay to make rape jokes about her.   
Clarence Thomas isn't an "Authentic black" - he is a house slave, an Uncle Tom, a traitor.

The left's entire philosophy is based around seeing those who oppose them as inferior, without merit, and evil.  Yes,  the truth remains the truth, but like the Dwarfs in the Donkey's Hovel, they WILL NOT, CANNOT  SEE.

Lets examine the hypothesis:
They Know you are a human.
They don't Care you are human.
They act in all ways as though you are not human.

What exactly allows them to "know" and not "care"?  To "know" in this context  is to acknowledge the truth  - at least to oneself.  Does anyone here really believe they do that? And if they did, would they not be all the more evil and monstrous for it?  Very few humans willingly believe and see themselves as evil and don't care. I doubt even Hitler saw himself that way. I'll bet he genuinely believed the world would be a better place without the Jews - and given his particular emotional and mental makeup, it undoubtedly would have been -for him.  But I bet you  he did it with a Clean conscience.   You got to break a few eggs..

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
C. S. Lewis

Do they recognize us as "victims"? Do their consciences nag at them to stop? 
Do you really think they Acknowledge to themselves that they advocate, do and are evil to others, but don't care?  They are  all narcissistic sociopaths-  Have you EVER seen a liberal exhibit genuine Shame? Any mortification or embarrassment  at having their hypocrisy exposed, their sins outed,   their lies publicly  disproved?   Anthony Wiener ?  Al Gore? Bill Clinton? Eric Holder? Obama himself?  They are all Nietzsche's Supermen- ABOVE MORALITY.  Beyond Good and Evil.
They are not aware of you as an equal. They CAN'T let themselves be, for the second they do, they must acknowledge they are the bullies. The second they do, they would have to let your opinion of them  matter. 

 I can guarantee you that even under  torture they will NEVER, EVER acknowledge to you that you are human. They will never admit there is a truth outside of and separate from themselves and what they want. Their world view makes it impossible for them to recognize us as equals, for they believe they have no equals but for those who agree with them. 

All of us, for all of our hatred for them - see them as Human, and we would joyfully avoid a conflict if each could go their own way.  For them, its an alien way of existing and they will never accept such a compromise. THEY OWN YOU. YOU ARE PROPERTY. They will do with you as they please.  They will not NEGOTIATE. There is no reason to deal in good faith with "stuff" .They are BORG.  You can only become one with them. It is the only option they will accept.  They don't care, because if you aren't Borg, you aren't worthy of caring about. 

[Weisshaupt]

More from Stuff guy, who I have foolishly engaged.

Also, thing to consider: If you force me live and let live, isnt that forcing your agenda on me? If I believe what someone are doing causes immense harm, isn't you preventing me from putting an end to that a way of forcing me to accept your values?

Got that. You are Stuff. Saying you are NOT stuff is imposing your agenda on Him.

[Pandora]

Disagree.

Stalin denied you were human.  You are an egg to be broken for the glorious Cause.
Sarah Palin isn't a "real woman" - the left thinks  it is okay to make rape jokes about her.   
Clarence Thomas isn't an "Authentic black" - he is a house slave, an Uncle Tom, a traitor.

Stalin declared those "eggs" as useless humans.
Can't rape a non-woman, therefore she's recognized as a woman worth raping.
Thomas is defined as a useless, non-authentic Black, but Black nonetheless.

They know we're human; they've simply decided we're not their kind of humans, therefore we can be discarded at will.

[IronDioPriest]

They know we're human; they've simply decided we're not their kind of humans, therefore we can be discarded at will.

That's pretty much what I've been trying to say. They twist themselves into rhetorical pretzels to justify the evil their ideology demands of them. But they know. Just like they know a fetus is a baby.

[Glock32]

It comes down to asking what is the great harm that occurs when one side or the other doesn't get its way. For us, not getting our way means that we will be subjected to the whims of the numerically superior, and that can entail whatever they want. i.e., we will actively be taken from, our labor and property (and eventually lives) confiscated.

Them not getting their way means nothing actively happens to them. It simply means they don't get to fleece others. But whatever their own individual endeavors and pursuits are, they can continue unmolested.

This little dichotomy quickly demonstrates the comparative morality of the two positions. If I don't get my way I am upset because it means things are going to be done to me. When they don't get their way they're upset because it means things are not going to be done to me. Nothing gets done to them when I get my way. The same cannot be said when the roles are reversed.

And right on cue Mr. Stuff Guy comes along to prove the point by drawing a false equivalency. Somehow not allowing yourself to be robbed by their hired government henchman is "forcing your agenda on them".

That's a good article, but it doesn't even begin to touch on the hostility I feel. My main concern at this point is hoping I do not wind up with a damaged soul as a result of the inevitable situation they're forcing.

[RickZ]

It’s nothing personal, necessarily.

Bullshyt.  It is personal.  These proggies are shills for Big Government.  When the Government kills my insurance plan and limits my doctors ('firing' one of my cardios in the process), it is most assuredly personal.

The author is still stuck in the verbal 'nicety' war.  That part's over for me.  I do not try to convince any liberal moron anything.  I just want him dead so I can live my life in the peace and security I have always known.  I believe in live and let live, they believe in power and control.  It is personal on an existential level.

My reply comment on that thread.  We'll see how long they keep it up.

If everyone took part in 'Take Out A Proggie Day', the changes would be vitalizing.  And I don't mean take a proggie out on a dinner date.

There are around 310 million people in this Country, more than enough to take out the political Mandarin class, along with the proggies in the Praetorian Guard media and the proggie educrats, as well.

There's no point in trying to persuade proggies of the rightness of your argument and the failure of theirs.  Now we move on to the next phase:  Targeted assassinations.  After all, the Government wants to kill me so why wait for the final 'trains to the camps' denouement (which is always the end game when a government wages war on its own people)?    Welcome to my America under the Owebama totalitarian regime.  The sides in this war are as old as civilization itself:  Government control versus individual liberty.  My individual freedom is non-negotiable.  Better to die on one's feet than to be a slave of the Government.

Someday Americans will relearn that you can't negotiate with communists, and communists are what progressives are.  In typical 'bastardize a word' fashion, they will not admit who they are, just like Owebama will not admit that he is the most far left radical president we've ever had the misfortune to #occupy The White House.  He was sold to us by the Praetorian Guard media as a moderate centrist (not that I ever believed that BS).  How's that moderation working out for us?

We are in an existential war for the survival of this Country's soul.  It is not going to be peaceful nor be resolved in the debauched halls of Congress but rather extremely bloody and played out in the streets across this Land.  And all the proggies had to do to prevent the impending bloodshed was to leave people the hell alone.  But they couldn't even do that, the gawdamn nosy busybodies.  I am already suffering, so I'll make damn sure they suffer, too.  Holding their breath forever while we throw dirt on their faces is a damn good start and would make ol' Tom Jefferson proud.

Just remember:  'If you like your doctor, tough shyt, I lied.  And you suckers believed me!'  Just how do you 'negotiate' with that willing 'sucker' mindset?

(I do believe I responded to the same comment as Weisshaupt, unless the first name isn't Adam and there are a ton of other Weisshaupt's around.)

Also, I agree with Weisshaupt:  They will never understand.  A sociopath can never comprehend another's person's pain or humanity, and the proggies are all about sociopathy and psychopathy.  Hell, those traits are political resume enhancers for that crowd.

[Pablo de Fleurs]

If everyone took part in 'Take Out A Proggie Day', the changes would be vitalizing.  And I don't mean take a proggie out on a dinner date.

There are around 310 million people in this Country, more than enough to take out the political Mandarin class, along with the proggies in the Praetorian Guard media and the proggie educrats, as well.

There's no point in trying to persuade proggies of the rightness of your argument and the failure of theirs.  Now we move on to the next phase:  Targeted assassinations.  After all, the Government wants to kill me so why wait for the final 'trains to the camps' denouement (which is always the end game when a government wages war on its own people)?    Welcome to my America under the Owebama totalitarian regime.  The sides in this war are as old as civilization itself:  Government control versus individual liberty.  My individual freedom is non-negotiable.  Better to die on one's feet than to be a slave of the Government.

Someday Americans will relearn that you can't negotiate with communists, and communists are what progressives are.  In typical 'bastardize a word' fashion, they will not admit who they are, just like Owebama will not admit that he is the most far left radical president we've ever had the misfortune to #occupy The White House.  He was sold to us by the Praetorian Guard media as a moderate centrist (not that I ever believed that BS).  How's that moderation working out for us?

We are in an existential war for the survival of this Country's soul.  It is not going to be peaceful nor be resolved in the debauched halls of Congress but rather extremely bloody and played out in the streets across this Land.  And all the proggies had to do to prevent the impending bloodshed was to leave people the hell alone.  But they couldn't even do that, the gawdamn nosy busybodies.  I am already suffering, so I'll make damn sure they suffer, too.  Holding their breath forever while we throw dirt on their faces is a damn good start and would make ol' Tom Jefferson proud.

Just remember:  'If you like your doctor, tough shyt, I lied.  And you suckers believed me!'  Just how do you 'negotiate' with that willing 'sucker' mindset?

(I do believe I responded to the same comment as Weisshaupt, unless the first name isn't Adam and there are a ton of other Weisshaupt's around.)

Also, I agree with Weisshaupt:  They will never understand.  A sociopath can never comprehend another's person's pain or humanity, and the proggies are all about sociopathy and psychopathy.  Hell, those traits are political resume enhancers for that crowd.

Think globally, shoot locally.

[ToddF]

I think he's in the final stages of verbal nicety.

In conclusion, just know that the harder you push to enact your agenda, the more hostile I will become — the harder I will fight you.  It’s nothing personal, necessarily.  If you want to become a slave to an all-powerful central government, be my guest.  But if you are planning to take me and my family down with you, as we say down here in the South, I will stomp a mud-hole in your chest and walk it dry.

Bring it.