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Offline Libertas

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Black Box Tax Tool
« on: October 27, 2013, 05:41:04 PM »
No way, no how, ever.  Will set my car on fire and buy a horse first!

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Re: Black Box Tax Tool
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2013, 09:44:24 AM »
The information is already there in most new cars. Think "On Star"....
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Re: Black Box Tax Tool
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2013, 09:51:32 AM »
Quote from: AlanS on October 28, 2013, 09:44:24 AM
The information is already there in most new cars. Think "On Star"....

And once you cancel On Star, it keeps transmitting your data to whomever.
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Re: Black Box Tax Tool
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2013, 11:48:14 AM »
Since I boycott ObamaMotors and will buy an old vehicle if I need to I hope to postpone the horse option until I really need it.  Perhaps a neighbor at the lake will swing a deal for a pony!
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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2013, 12:27:24 PM »
Even without a black box, states that do annual or biannual "safety" inspections are recording this information.  Here in NC your annual inspection includes odometer readings (and a check for evidence of odometer tampering) and has for many years. I've always known it was for eventual use as a taxation metric.

So let me guess, they're going to integrate the black box with GPS and every state you drive through is probably going to have a crack at you? Do people yet see why privacy is indeed such a big deal? The concepts of freedom and privacy are inextricably linked, without one you cannot have the other. Technology is making feasible the creation of the Total Surveillance state, once again helpfully enabled by all the people who pooh-poohed privacy concerns over the years, and accused concerned people of being a bunch of Chicken Littles.
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Re: Black Box Tax Tool
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2013, 11:12:32 PM »
The Dune books formulated a world that had abandoned computer driven culture. When I read these books many years ago I didn't quite understand the reason for this, I just compared it to the nuisance that computers were creating in the 70's and 80's.  Now I am a little more impressed by Herbert's prescience. I was also frightened by a movie from the late 60's, I believe, called "Colossus, the Forbin Project. Well we are there. our governments can control everything everywhere now, but they would be powerless without the computers.

anyone ready to become a Luddite?
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Re: Black Box Tax Tool
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2013, 07:24:22 AM »
Quote from: Glock32 on October 28, 2013, 12:27:24 PM
Even without a black box, states that do annual or biannual "safety" inspections are recording this information.  Here in NC your annual inspection includes odometer readings (and a check for evidence of odometer tampering) and has for many years. I've always known it was for eventual use as a taxation metric.

So let me guess, they're going to integrate the black box with GPS and every state you drive through is probably going to have a crack at you? Do people yet see why privacy is indeed such a big deal? The concepts of freedom and privacy are inextricably linked, without one you cannot have the other. Technology is making feasible the creation of the Total Surveillance state, once again helpfully enabled by all the people who pooh-poohed privacy concerns over the years, and accused concerned people of being a bunch of Chicken Littles.

I look for the free market (even if it is "black"!) to come up with a box-jammer...

 ::doublebird::  the statists!
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Re: Black Box Tax Tool
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2013, 07:30:03 AM »
Quote from: whimsicalmamapig on October 28, 2013, 11:12:32 PM
The Dune books formulated a world that had abandoned computer driven culture. When I read these books many years ago I didn't quite understand the reason for this, I just compared it to the nuisance that computers were creating in the 70's and 80's.  Now I am a little more impressed by Herbert's prescience. I was also frightened by a movie from the late 60's, I believe, called "Colossus, the Forbin Project. Well we are there. our governments can control everything everywhere now, but they would be powerless without the computers.

anyone ready to become a Luddite?

The Butlerian Jihad, the revolt against the thinking machines.  Many a SciFi author has expounded on the perils of over-reliance on technology...AI...SkyNet and the like...

Technology is a double-edged sword...

Once people are taken out of the loop who knows what can happen?

This is why I am uneasy about drones...letting a machine be the executioner of a faceless bureaucrat or despotic leader is a frightening prospect!  One step away from letting the machine make the call on its own based solely on its programming.  Bad programming, bad result.  Foolish road to go down!
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Re: Black Box Tax Tool
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2013, 10:59:52 AM »
Quote from: Libertas on October 29, 2013, 07:24:22 AM
Quote from: Glock32 on October 28, 2013, 12:27:24 PM
Even without a black box, states that do annual or biannual "safety" inspections are recording this information.  Here in NC your annual inspection includes odometer readings (and a check for evidence of odometer tampering) and has for many years. I've always known it was for eventual use as a taxation metric.

So let me guess, they're going to integrate the black box with GPS and every state you drive through is probably going to have a crack at you? Do people yet see why privacy is indeed such a big deal? The concepts of freedom and privacy are inextricably linked, without one you cannot have the other. Technology is making feasible the creation of the Total Surveillance state, once again helpfully enabled by all the people who pooh-poohed privacy concerns over the years, and accused concerned people of being a bunch of Chicken Littles.

I look for the free market (even if it is "black"!) to come up with a box-jammer...

 ::doublebird::  the statists!

That WILL occur!
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