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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #761 on: May 06, 2022, 08:31:10 AM »
Does Joe Biden intend to take the U.S. into a direct war with Russia?  Perhaps because the only historic way out of a deep economic recession is a war or housing starts? Perhaps, because they need a bigger distraction from the political impact of their own policies?

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/05/05/why-is-the-white-house-bragging-about-conducting-military-operations-in-ukraine-to-kill-russians/

Well...Duh!

Sweden given "assurances" if NATO membership applied for...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-gives-sweden-security-assurances-if-it-submits-nato-application

Brief sidebar re: above nation - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/swedish-prime-minister-says-integration-has-failed-after-migrant-riots

Who doesn't want a weak member overrun with murderous rapine Satanic death cultists?   ::)

As CTH also noted above - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-intel-assisted-sinking-russian-flagship-vessel-officials-say-bombshell-revelation

And wrapping up with this - “The current generation of NATO politicians clearly does not take the nuclear threat seriously,” ambassador Anatoly Antonov told Newsweek.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-nato-not-taking-nuclear-threat-seriously

No sh*t, Dude?  And in case ya haven't noticed...we who like to keep to ourselves first...are labelled enemies of this illegitimate occupation government...welcome to the party.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #762 on: May 06, 2022, 08:53:34 PM »
^^^ remember when the US got all butt hurt over the fake story that Russians were paying a bounty for US dead in Afghanistan? Imagine how this plays in Russia.

Russia does not have to write anti western propaganda. We write it for them.
UA writes their own anti UA propaganda daily. Russia just puts it on TV.

#1051 Post by patentlymn » Fri May 06, 2022 6:02 pm
https://t.me/iEarlGreyTV/1250
iEarlGrey, [5/6/2022 3:29 AM]
[Forwarded from Intel Slava Z]
🇺🇦??Local residents report that in Seversk and Serebryanka, which are still under the control of Ukrainian formations, an armored personnel carrier with a Z badge on board drives and fires at residential buildings. It is accompanied by a group of journalists who are filming another fake “how the Russians are hitting the residential areas” of Seversk and Serebryanka.

As soon as these settlements come under our control, these staged videos will be aired on Ukrainian and Western TV channels and resources.

UA making more anti UA propaganda to broadcast on Russian TV. Putin might smile when he hears this stuff. Video clip with subtitles. This could be fake but the UA is too proud of this stuff and made similar stuff before.

https://t.me/azmilitary11/3809
Ukrainian Nazi Oleksiy Serediuk says that this is 'a war of annihilation' and 'the entire Russian nation should be exterminated, if we want to survive (Nazi quote,Google it) ('der Russe muss sterben, damit wir leben konnen) and says 🇺🇦 don't take PoWs.




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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #763 on: May 09, 2022, 08:03:07 AM »
Farts in the wind...

Everybody wasting time until the big finale...

https://youtu.be/SZsfAmBM7gU
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #764 on: May 10, 2022, 12:28:51 PM »

H/T-GP

Looks more like a Ferengi war of acquisition...possession being paramount.  Wish we would GTFO of Europe and start acquiring troublesome neighbors too...

(sigh)

A real opportunity shot to Hell...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #765 on: May 10, 2022, 04:31:14 PM »
Watching Zelensky talk is surreal. Like he is reading some corny movie script. Talking about victory.

Another source of videos from RU side.
https://twitter.com/coope125

also
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses

https://t.me/azmilitary11
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka

cartoon
https://t.me/iEarlGreyTV/1349
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #766 on: May 10, 2022, 04:44:56 PM »
There is a lot more being released by the Rus as far as videos of combat operations...makes me wonder if they weren't as inclined early on before they achieved some consolidation...rolling in were those UKR videos of their troops whacking UKR cameras...

Fluff pieces I throw out with the atrocities as documented provenance matters and good and bad get conducted on both sides in a real war...

Funny cartoon...but the Euro's aren't slow-walking EU membership because it is convenient to not piss off Russia...pretty much think in most cases they don't care who they piss off...even each other...and it's not because of Nazi's...which I guess includes all "nationalists" they way people define things now...and everybody has Nazis...heck, Dmitri Utkin aside...Putinism is in its essence extremely nationalist...hence fascist...no, nobody cares about their Nazis...it's because of corruption...which coming from autocratic Euro's or smug American Marxists is an especially egregious and darkly ironic insult to people's intelligence.

Whatever...

Be nice if all sides got their asses kicked...in the end we all lose...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #767 on: May 11, 2022, 08:52:39 AM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-country-1st-time-adopts-law-declaring-russias-invasion-genocide-terrorism

Well, that'll help things.  But hey, there is a lot of Soviet hangovers on the former occupier and occupied sides impelling a lot of animosity right wrong or indifferent...

It's just another piece of the mosaic in the march to WWIII...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #768 on: May 13, 2022, 09:26:43 AM »
More Soviet hangovers...

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson met with Swedish Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson in Sweden on Wednesday and agreed that relations with Russian President Vladimir Putin should never be normalized.

“The leaders agreed that the aftershocks of Putin’s abhorrent invasion of Ukraine had fundamentally changed international security architecture,” a spokesman for Johnson said following the meeting. “They underlined that relations with Putin could never be normalized.”

The statement is the latest example of Western leaders suggesting they want to see Putin removed from office.

On Tuesday, Lithuania’s foreign minister explicitly called for regime change in Moscow, claiming it was the only way for regional countries to be safe from Russia. During his visit to Sweden, Johnson signed a military pact that vowed Britain would come to Sweden’s defense if it was attacked.

“Whether it’s in the event of a disaster or a military attack, what we’re saying today is that upon request from the other party, we would come to the other parties’ assistance,” Johnson said at a press conference with Andersson.

The new pact comes as Sweden and Finland are considering applying to join NATO. Johnson also visited Finland on Wednesday and made a similar pledge to defend the country if it is attacked.

Sweden and Finland are expected to make a decision on joining NATO sometime this week and are seeking security guarantees from alliance members during a potential application period. Moscow has warned against the two nations joining NATO, and Russian officials have said Russia will have to reinforce the over 800-mile border with Finland.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/uk-sweden-say-relations-putin-can-never-be-normalized-sign-defense-pact

With all do respect to the Lithuanian FM...personalizing this is a mistake...personally, most people know I have no trust in Putin, don't like the son of a bitch...but removing him is likely to get you something worse...like that lunatic Patrushev.  I understand the FM's inclination being he was in one of many states under brutal Soviet domination...but the sane goal is containment not regime change, collapse or open no holds barred warfare.

And while Johnson's agreement with Sweden looks Chamberlianesque...that corrupt bargainis already baked into NATO Article 5, so...either this way or the direct way the suicide pact is in play.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #770 on: May 15, 2022, 11:02:01 AM »

H/T-CTH
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #772 on: May 16, 2022, 08:42:46 AM »
I think it was Matt Bracken at WRSA who said it is the time of of the corrupt to "rob the Imperial Treasury" with impunity or some such thing...point being, like Rome, we are in a bad phase...and the looting by the elite is getting worse, more brazen...

Regardless, the PTB's are doing what they are told to do by the central cabalists...I think most people see what is coming...

See this?

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/whats-next-former-russian-president-warns-wests-self-harming-sanctions-mean-collapse

I don't think Dmitry came up with these talking points on his own...and it is a curious thing...surely the Russians cannot think warning the West, especially this illegitimate occupation regime in America can be told to see the destruction their actions are wreaking...they are after all just following orders...their masters think after all of the destruction and chaos...they'll be in better shape...which isn't the same thing as saying Nation A or B will be in better shape...nations to them are an impediment to their ends...but I think the Russians understand -

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-lawmaker-says-poland-next-line-de-nazification

...Nazi's in Poland is their next excuse to acquire territory.  It seems the central aim of Russia and China to exist as nations...even though eventually the latter will gobble the former.

Everybody is choosing sides...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/05/15/sunday-talks-finland-president-sauli-niinisto-indicates-a-global-cleaving-behind-decision-to-join-nato/

...for economic survival or physical survival.

Frankly, I think everybody is behaving stupidly...there won't be a "winner" unless one defines it as being less mortally crippled than Bastard A or Bastard B...

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #773 on: May 17, 2022, 08:40:32 AM »
Battle for Azovstal is over...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/least-300-azov-fighters-surrender-russians-azovstal-plant-ending-lengthy-siege

...lets see if any prisoner swaps materialize.  We'll see how existentially threaten "nazis" are.

As for these three...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/france-germany-italy-favor-negotiations-end-ukraine-war

...they may not want to be at war with Russia...and they may cite food concerns which are certainly real...but has as much to do with a desire to return to normalcy as anything...like normal flow of energy...and partitioning Ukraine is OK.

Well, the illegitimate occupation regime in the US disagrees, and cares not about energy, food or their own citizens...they make that painfully clear with every act and word...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #774 on: May 17, 2022, 09:54:17 AM »
Someone said this is like WWI where the elites had more in common with each other on all sides that the cannot fodder they sent to their deaths. I recall that the heads of state of the WWI combatants were related to each other, even cousins.

Zelensky certainly does not care about having 'his' people killed because they are not his people.
The US cares even less about Ukrainians.

The initial groups of civilians in the steel plant were mostly locals who sought refuge there and were held hostage by Azov.
These? True believers maybe. I heard that UA is trying to call this an "evacuation" rather than surrender. I wonder if that will spread.

These people have not been "fighting" for a long time. They were hiding just waiting to die. Senseless.

Russia tried diplomacy and had a couple Minsk agreements. The west, mostly US, encouraged UA to ignore the agreements. So Russia learned the US and UA were not to be trusted.

The people defending Mariupol were not locals but invaders from other parts of UA who hated the locals.

Many people in the western UA had joined the territorial defense with the understanding or even contract  that they would not be sent outside that territory. Now they are dying in the east.

I wonder how the people surrendering from the plant will be sorted out and treated. Regular military vs Nazis vs foreign mercenaries. They were guaranteed preservation of life if they surrendered. Russia has no death penalty. For every American who died in WWII 8 soviets died. They do not like Nazis. Many of the Azov have lots of Nazi tattoos.

The US armed crazies in Syria, calling them "moderate rebels." Maybe we will rebrand these as "moderate Nazis."
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #775 on: May 17, 2022, 12:05:48 PM »
Is Dmitri Utkin a moderate Nazi?

Well, regardless...the primary clowns in the macabre circus of death want war without end...until perhaps there is a definitive end...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-pledges-open-ended-military-support-ukraine-ahead-us-senate-40bn-aid-vote

All signs point towards more bloodshed, not less...

No survivor will care  about finger pointing...whoever is nearest them will get rewarded accordingly...

Same as it has always been...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #776 on: May 17, 2022, 01:26:10 PM »
 As long as it is just Ukrainians and Russians dying the west loves war.
US politicians barely hide it anymore. Fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.

I heard that more of the Ukrainians captured or killed in the east are in their 40s and from the west. Some from territorial guard units who never expected to be moved out of the west. 400 Ukrainian soldiers dying per day?

They might run out of Ukrainians soon.

Ukraine and much of the west avoids using the word "surrender" in reporting the final surrender at Azovstal.
"Evacuated"
https://www.google.com/search?q=azovstal
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #777 on: May 17, 2022, 01:47:21 PM »

DW News youtube
Russia: Deal reached to evacuate Azovstal's wounded.

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #778 on: May 17, 2022, 01:56:02 PM »
Expecting honest coverage by any latter day jurno is an unrealistic expectation...expect the worst and you cannot be disappointed...

I doubt your average Russian soldier is ever asked if they are OK dying for energy dominance and buffer space...I'm sure its party line de-nazification and protecting the Russian-speaking peoples...

https://youtu.be/NwYnbwQ0kv4

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #779 on: May 17, 2022, 01:56:47 PM »

DW News youtube
Russia: Deal reached to evacuate Azovstal's wounded.

No news on prisoner swaps, eh?
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