Topic: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine

[Libertas]

Probably doesn't matter...the world's elite plan on hitting carbon Net Zero through genocide...the demand for energy, food, shelter...is all going to literally crater...

[Libertas]

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/new-arms-depot-blast-crimea-act-sabotage-kremlin-admits

Second video is impressive...nice show...must have had a sh!tload of arms and ammunition there...

Video of the Aug. 9 Saky air base explosion pretty impressive too.  Vehicles, jets & ammo.



All those Russian civilians thinking they could live peaceful lives in temperate luxury are now running back to Russia proper...

How dare the Russians stage weapons of war near civilians!  LOL!

War, gotta love it...

[Libertas]

In the widening conflict area...this looks like hyperbolic BS to me...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-warns-uk-its-air-force-ordered-prevent-planned-spy-plane-overflight

...Russian skirts getting ruffled over nothing...there are RC-135 flights going on every day in international space...same for drone flights by Global Hawks etc...I see them every day on flight trackers...they loop and pace along borders routinely...

Nothing in this article discusses flight path, zip zero nada.  So the allegation of "Russian space" cannot be confirmed.

Past flights never encroached Russian airspace...


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11116219/Moscow-claims-fighter-jet-intercepted-RAF-spy-plane-near-missile-testing-sites.html

...planes buzz planes and ship and back and forth all the time, have since man took flight...they can send interceptors and trade pics of each other, heck I got declassified recon pics showing Rooskies and Americans saying hello...nothing new...

So, overheated rhetoric aside...this kind of crap is a nothingburger...

Move along...

[patentlymn]

they can send interceptors and trade pics of each other, heck I got declassified recon pics showing Rooskies and Americans saying hello...nothing new...

I agree. The reports never indicated they violated Russian airspace. If they did it was likely sloppy reporting.

I knew an RC-135 pilot once. He showed photos taken out his window of MIGs. They came up to say hi. They got along just fine.

[Libertas]

they can send interceptors and trade pics of each other, heck I got declassified recon pics showing Rooskies and Americans saying hello...nothing new...

I agree. The reports never indicated they violated Russian airspace. If they did it was likely sloppy reporting.

I knew an RC-135 pilot once. He showed photos taken out his window of MIGs. They came up to say hi. They got along just fine.

There's been flipping the bird by American's and Russian's responding with pressing ham on glass...the latter easier for them in a big Bear or Badger...not so much for a fighter interceptor...sometimes the Rooskies would show contraband like a centerfold!
 

There had always been some good spirited teasing with competent professionalism...hopefully that continues...

[patentlymn]

Talking heads on. Same old same old in Ukr. They say instead of withdrawing Kiev forces to conserve manpower they are feeding more into Donbass to reduce ground lost for political purposes. Usually attackers lose more men than defenders but that is not the case here. Politicians can hide dead men but not lines on the map.

Zelensky replaced some military guy. Perhaps because the military wanted to keep soldiers alive.

I have been cursed with a long love for commie anthems. After hearing it I found myself humming the Internationale. They made Doctor Zhivago in Spain during Franco. During filming they has scenes where they had crowds singing The Internationale. The police went nuts and swooped down like white on rice. Much of Reds, including the Internationale scene, was filmed in St. Petersburg I think. Maybe Finland?

Back in 1973 I heard a drum and bugle corps play the Russian movie song Let's Go. I loved it.Took decades for me to find Let's Go because I had the name wrong.  Back at ACOC Starman found a song for me that I heard in Reds, with the lyrics. I also love the Russian national anthem. It used to be the Soviet anthem so they kept the music and changed the words.

Here is your dose of Russian propaganda.
Let's Go
https://youtu.be/_jqOGpzNrg4

Russia national Anthem
https://youtu.be/VJcnuZB4Xt4

Our Locomotive, used in Reds. Starman found this.
https://youtu.be/j6ytajj6Zow

Isinbaeva rocks the Russia National Anthem. Pole vault porn.
https://youtu.be/ul_qm3Ym8-k

[patentlymn]

I had on some video blog a while back about what school is like in Russia. It was done by one of many amateur video bloggers. She took videos in a school. She said that in some regions there are two official languages and both are taught.  I never studied about modern Russia. Then I found this.  All 22 republics have Russian as an official language and all but one have another official language ranging from 1 to 4 additional official languages. Most have just one additional. I had no idea.



Maybe this explains why some Chechens are fighting on the side of Russia? Maybe they got enough autonomy? I could never figure that out.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-republics-of-russia.html
The Federation of Russia is divided into 85 constituent units known as federal subjects. Of the 85 federal subjects, 21 are republics (22 if Crimea is included). The republics of Russia differ from other federal subjects in that they operate under their own constitution and have a right to establish own language. The republics are also granted extensive autonomy, though the level of the autonomy varies. Before 2010, the chief executives were being referred to as presidents. However, the federal laws were amended which reserved the title exclusively to the head of state. The republics also have their own assemblies that have often passed laws that are at odds with the federal laws.

[patentlymn]

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/08/will-europe-go-down-to-defeat-before-ukraine.html
Factories that produce ammonia — an ingredient to make fertiliser — announced the suspension of their operations in Poland, Italy, Hungary and Norway this week.

https://rumble.com/v1hhv8b-2022-08-27-dont-eat-your-pets.html
Jacob Dreizin predicts even worse fertilizer shortages next year, less grain/soybeans, less animal feed, livestock culls.

[Libertas]

Ukraine has become just another Syria, Lebanon...pick a failed state used as a playground by greedy selfish elitist bastards running practically every country on the planet...

Tuning this one out too, don't care...everybody can get sucked into a maelstrom and perish...wtf does it matter now?  Insanity is contagious and everybody has it.

 

PS - His old boss kicks the bucket...



...and his response to blow off the funeral on a lame excuse because he's still butthurt Gorby failed to get a no NATO expansion deal before the collapse of the worker's paradise says it all.

LOL!

I so do not care what happens to any of these clowns!

[patentlymn]

Didn't Gorby visit Minneapolis long ago to a royal welcome?
Yup.
https://www.axios.com/local/twin-cities/2022/09/01/gorbachevs-1990-visit-to-minnesota
https://youtu.be/HW6h0uS-X9o
Gorbachevs In Minnesota June 3, 1990 - Live Coverage

[patentlymn]

https://www.rt.com/news/561934-baerbock-ukraine-voters-sanctions/
https://twitter.com/ivan_8848/status/1565067553671626760
...
“If I give the promise to people in Ukraine – ‘We stand with you, as long as you need us’ – then I want to deliver. No matter what my German voters think, but I want to deliver to the people of Ukraine,” Baerbock said at one point.

“I have to be clear that this holds on as long as Ukraine needs me,” she said, referring to the EU embargo against Russia.
...
Baerbock’s fellow Green party member, Robert Habeck, the economy and climate change minister, told reporters on Wednesday that these “social measures” may include subsidies, a “changed market structure” for energy, and a budget that would shift the burden for electricity prices from the citizens, as well as price caps.
...

In an opinion piece published on Wednesday in Zeit Online, Baerbock argued there was “no going back” to the world before February 24, and that Germany and the EU will have to wage a long economic, sanctions, and propaganda struggle against Russia.

“We have to face reality: this Russia will remain a threat to peace and security in Europe for the foreseeable future,” she wrote. Baerbock accused Moscow of threatening Europe’s “social peace” by sending “troll armies to undermine our elections” and using “power games” with coal, gas, and oil, presenting the Greens’ long-standing environmentalist agenda as a matter of national security.

[Libertas]

Members of the Gulag, your Motherland needs you!

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-intel-says-russia-has-severe-manpower-shortages-recruiting-prisons

 

[patentlymn]

So there was some anti war Russian woman.  She was very anti-war and hated what Russia had done. She was so shamed and upset she moved away from the western Russia to work at an animal rehab center in the far east.

Her friend interviewed civilians in the Donbass. She translated the conversations into subtitles for her. Then some guy, a brother,  had escaped Ukraine through Russian and a friend needed help so he could leave Russia fore the west.

She could not reconcile what she heard from the brother or the citizens.

She agreed to go to the Donbass and personally interviewed the civilians. She saw all the Zs which she thinks are new swastikas. WTF?
Etc.
She said Russians are taught Russians and Ukr are brother slavs.
They found Ukr childrens book from age 7 upward.
The books teach that Ukr and Russians have nothing in common and Russians are evil and are to be hated.
https://youtu.be/0OysQ7yQl_o
[lowkeysays]https://youtu.be/0OysQ7yQl_o[/lowkeysays]

[patentlymn]

I had some talking heads on earlier while half asleep.
There is some upcoming "Rammstein" donor conference.
Kiev needs to show some progress to keep the funds coming in.
Kiev ordered some assault on a small, abandoned village not controlled by Kiev or Russia.
This was said to be in no mans land.
Kiev captured the village on video. Raised their flag over the village, then left in a hurry.
They lost 2 dead when the Russians or DPR discovered them.
So they got their fund raising video.

[Libertas]

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/whats-happening-ukraines-occupied-nuclear-plant

 

Yawn.

Whatever, don't care.

Funniest thing I did hear though...Ukrainians using chicks on dating sites enticing Russians in-theater to reveal their locations for hookups and then launching artillery and rocket strikes...

 

[patentlymn]

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/whats-happening-ukraines-occupied-nuclear-plant

 

Yawn.

Whatever, don't care.

Funniest thing I did hear though...Ukrainians using chicks on dating sites enticing Russians in-theater to reveal their locations for hookups and then launching artillery and rocket strikes...

 

IAEA report did not conclude who was shelling the plant. People are mocking them for this.

[Libertas]

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/whats-happening-ukraines-occupied-nuclear-plant

 

Yawn.

Whatever, don't care.

Funniest thing I did hear though...Ukrainians using chicks on dating sites enticing Russians in-theater to reveal their locations for hookups and then launching artillery and rocket strikes...

 

IAEA report did not conclude who was shelling the plant. People are mocking them for this.

Not surprised...cowards never want to point fingers.

See this?  (Not printing the Newsweak BS for obvious reasons) -

Many military and Russian analysts are claiming that the rout of Russian forces around Kharkiv is a “pivotal moment” in the war. It very well may be. Pro-Putin Russian bloggers are bitterly denouncing the military and even Putin himself for the sorry state of affairs that has led the Russian military to this low point.

(Also not reprinting the Putin will use tactical nukes stuff, rendering Ukraine uninhabitable is the same as losing Ukraine outright and throwing resources to the fire and risking a wider nuclear conflict...I don't care for Putin but I also don't think he is that stupid...and I am not interested in seeing him replaced given that a bigger hardcore nationalist lunatic like Dmitry Patrushev might make the worst fears a reality)  (But then again...who really fricken knows?  See this - I guess we may see if Russia's declaration not to use nukes first is truthful or not.  (We will also see what Putin's transition from a Special Military Operation to full Declaration of War looks like - Ukraine-Russia going hot?

This Ukrainian is right about this -

Ziperovich, a pro-Ukrainian writer, recognizes this moment of extreme peril.

The Western world simply doesn’t have the luxury of not thinking about these issues, and working to prevent this war from spinning utterly out of control. While it’s emotionally satisfying to call for Putin’s head, that may not be the wisest course of action.

I’ve been called a naive rube and worse for calling for renewed diplomacy with Russia, but I’ll risk that label. Eventually, Ukraine must try to leverage its mounting progress on the battlefield into some kind of negotiated peace, backed by the White House and NATO. Diplomatic conduits to the Kremlin must be explored, in Tel Aviv, Beijing, Ankara; Washington should feel out whomever is still talking to the Kremlin, and see if negotiations are a possibility.

Peace must be the ultimate goal here, even as the fighting continues. In that brief window of time right before Vladimir Putin is toppled, when he could theoretically use nuclear weapons, there should be another option available to him: diplomacy.

Moral maximalism won’t end this war.

Too bad the illegitimate corrupt filth in the White House and the morons in NATO want ashes.  (See this - What has been torpedoed once can be torpedoed repeatedly)

As for this...

It’s strange that the “peace faction” of the Democratic Party has suddenly lost its voice. In fact, few politicians are opposing Biden’s war. Despite the stakes being higher than at any time in the post-World War II world, with nuclear war being a real possibility, no prominent Democrats are calling for negotiations or even a reduction in lethal aid to Ukraine.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2022/09/11/russia-at-a-tipping-point-as-ukrainian-forces-advance-n1628462

It's not strange at all, Rick...these people are Communists, they mourned the collapse of the Soviet Union...are butthurt at Reagan and Reaganites for helping cause it...warmly embrace the Communists in Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela and China...tied their Ukraine problem around Russia & Trump's neck and will rather see the Earth destroyed than to reverse course or admit error in any way.

Welcome to Hell on Earth, courtesy of totalitarian trash.

PS - With NATO possibly distracted with an in-house issue, the Chi-Com/Taiwan theater in play and a looming Israeli strike on Iran...Ukraine may be a sideshow for Western powers.

[Pandora]

Who Could Have Ever Forseen.....

..... that any nation that has operating nuclear power plants and gets involved in a war has a very high probability of suffering a catastrophic event screwing their own people?

    "The team closely witnessed shelling in the vicinity of the ZNPP, in particular on 3 Sept. when the team was instructed to evacuate to the ground level of the Administrative Building," a report by IAEA Director General Rafael Grossi to the United Nations Security Council said. "Moreover, the team observed damage at different locations caused by reported events with some of the damage being close to the reactor buildings."

So what?

I remind you that Ukraine started this war, provoking it originally in 2014 with the Maidan "color revolution" stoked in no small part by the United States in which our President's family was extracting money in exchange for his son's "services" on the board of Burisma which did not include any sort of actual knowledge of the industry in which the firm was engaged.

I further remind you that a sitting Senator, John McCain, traveled to Ukraine and gave speeches supporting said revolt.

Then, following said revolt, the new Government which Victoria Nuland, who still makes policy for President Biden, cheered on not only the Maidan Coup itself but in addition we have sat back and allowed said "new government" to shell its own territory because the people who lived in said territory identified with Russia.

And finally, I remind you that Crimea was actually purchased by Russia at the time of Catherine The Great, far before any of this nonsense involving the United States, the USSR and similar took place.  In point of fact said purchase is just as valid as is ours of Louisiana or Alaska, the latter of which occurred in 1867.  In other words the "root" of all of this is territory that was legitimately part of Russia right up until someone decided it was inconvenient for their particular political ends and crafted a story around all of it.

Then if that's not stupid enough that very same part of the globe installed and operates to this day nuclear power plants while stoking violence with one of its neighbors, engaging in color revolutions, assassinations and shelling of people living in its own territory.

Oh what could possibly go wrong?

It seems to me that the use of civilian nuclear power comes with a duty to be damn sure you do not get involved in military conflict less than an all-on nuclear exchange in which case, of course, nobody cares if your plant glows a bit more brightly than the surrounding countryside.

Perhaps, just perhaps, if the IAEA and UN had a hint of common sense their screaming about "non-proliferation" would have and would today include complete sanctions against any nation that engages in such activities, demanding the full shutdown and removal of radioactive material from same as soon as the first instance of that sort of misbehavior occurs.

You can have either nuclear power or you can foment violent revolutions within and beyond your territory, never mind shelling your own citizens.  If you try to have both we'll stop you because if we don't the risk is unacceptable that someone is going to blow up one of those plants, either directly or by disrupting critical supplies.  After all, its rather obvious where they are, they're very big, they're very difficult if not impossible to sufficiently defend against such events and as a result that's the deal.

Of course taking that position would be rather..... unpopular given that there are other nations around the world who both have nuclear power and similar facilities yet don't play nice-nice with their military capabilities, either in threats or acts.

Right?

Yeah.

[patentlymn]

I heard that the Zap nuke plant reactors are all shut down now.
The plant provided 20-25% of Ukr electric power.

Two questions I would have liked had answered were who is shelling the plant and does Russia have any heavy weapons in the plant? Instead the IAEA says Russia should leave the plant. They could have done that from NYC.

It seems all these international agencies get captured and turned political. The Chinese planted some stooge at the WHO long ago over the EU favored guy.  The west captured the OPCW. Their reports on gas attacks in Syria lew up in their faces.

You can learn a lot just by listening. The US military say they want to harm Russia. They do not even pretend to care about the Ukr people. Pro Kiev people in Ukr say they want their sacred land back under their control. They do not even pretend to care about the people there because they mostly hate them. They often say they want the land without the current inhabitants on it.

In the end Ukr people will control the land known as Ukr, likely in several pieces. The Kiev friendly places will be controlled from Kiev. The Russian friendly places will be controlled by the locals. Initially appointed by Russia and later elected, just like in the Kiev controlled areas after the US backed 2014 coup.

After the 2014 coup the US appointed the Ukr leaders, some not even from Ukr. I think that the Ukr governors in various states/oblasts were appointed by Kiev govt even after elections. The local police were now controlled from Kiev. The Kiev govt passed anti Russian language laws, shut down TV stations, threw politicians in jail, etc. In 21 of the 22 Russian republics there is at least one second official language in addition to Russian. That part of the world is not like the US.

[Libertas]

Kinda makes you wonder what all the fuss is about at times, eh?  Apply the KISS principle.

On the Crimea purchase under Catherine the Great comparison to Alaska...the people doing the transaction (buyer and seller) may not always be on the side of the dweller of said lands...but in point of fact...Catherine annexed the Crimea from the Ottoman's after invading it in 1776 and installing her hand-picked Tartar leader Sahin as the Crimean Khan...not entirely popular among the citizens (sound familiar?) and the resulting revolts and rebellions finally resulted in Prince Potemkin pushed for and got Catherine to annex it.  It wasn't until 1783 that the Ottoman's recognized the transfer, so I think foreign policy wunderkind Karl needs to re-educate himself on the history.