Topic: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine

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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-warship-fires-warning-shots-cargo-vessel-seeking-ukraine-port-entry

Found nothing...

Matter of when not if people start firing back...

Oh well, BFD...

WOW. Factual reporting. Finally.

Nothing illicit was found aboard the Vasily Bykov and it was allowed to continue on its way, but likely other ships will take note, given the 'live fire' incident and rising dangers.

I thought the previous grain deal included allowing inspections. Factual reporting on the details is lacking. Who, what, where, when is so old school. Now it is mostly narrative.

If boarding and inspection is the worst outcome maybe insurance rates will not skyrocket. These are civilian ships  who don't want trouble.

Then again I remember reading of the WWI "Q ships." German subs used to surface, fire a warning shot, allow crew to get into life boats, then the cargo ship was sunk. Then hidden large guns were put on deck. No more Mr. Nice Guy.

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I had this on. Patrick Lancaster is with  DPR drone specialist. This is a recon drone. Nothing exciting. DPR drone vs Kiev drone. Some long range Kiev drone passed overhead. They hide from it out of fear of artillery as armed drones are rare in this location. There is "supression" on both sides. I think that means EW stuff. The DPR drone is almost brought to ground by the Kiev EW. They have some EW anti drone gun but do not get a good chance to use it. Not worth watching for the most part.

At 27 min he interviews the drone guy. He is 25, joined at 16. From Shakhtarsk, Donetsk. He joined in response to the invasion from the Kiev troops. He lied to his parents and told them he was just guarding HQ. He later got wounded and he had to tell them he was involved in the fighting. He said that early on volunteers came from elsewhere and Russia to help. He said he did not see Russian army until the SMO in 2022.I found that part interesting.

Some idiots say that a country cannot attack itself. Sherman invaded Georgia in the US civil war. I think Grant attacked Richmond? Lee was in Gettysburg PA. When I watched lots of telegram videos civilians described how Mariupol was invaded by troops from the Kiev side who hated them and did nasty things to them. Those troops fought the Russians.

I do not have polls from Donetsk at my finger tips. Contrary to what people hear, the people did not want to be separate from Ukraine back then. They wanted some autonomy and things as they had been before the 2014 coup. The post coup govt in Kiev was hand picked, on audio, by the US govt's Vicky Nuland.  They did not like that.







https://youtu.be/2bVedU0sNo8?t=1618
 
 With Russian DPR Special Forces Recon & Electronic Warfare Team On Ukraine Frontline Mission
Patrick Lancaster
561K subscribers
200,532 views  May 31, 2023  #RussiaUkrainewar #Ukraine #Russia

In this Special report I embed with the Russian DPR OBTF "Cascade" Special Forces Drone Recon & Electronic Warfare Team on a Mission to the Russia - Ukraine War Frontline. We traveled deep into the most dangerous part on the frontline territory near Velyka Novosilka very close to Ukrainian positions. As soon as we arrived at the point where they were to start their mission and Ukrainian drone flew over head and appeared to be targeting us. We ran and hid from the drone until it lost track of us and then we documented the OBTF "Cascade" team completing their mission
The OBTF "Cascade" includes parts of the forces and means of the law enforcement agencies of the DPR. The key element of the OBTF "Cascade" is the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the DPR. The head of the OBTF "Cascade" is the DPR Minister of Internal Affairs, Colonel-General A. A. Dikiy. It should be mentioned that the DPR government is actively merging with the Russian Government so things change fast

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Finally. Factual reporting. Black Sea.
So, RU has a navy capable of boarding cargo ships. Ukr does not. It only has naval drones capable of blowing holes in them. Shore launched torpedoes? So far, I had only heard of a post grain deal radio transmission telling a ship that all ships heading to Ukraine would be considered possibly carrying weapons to  Ukraine. That was the most hostile act I know of so far, until now. Then Kiev said they would sink any ships to/from RU ports or something like that. We shall see.

https://southfront.org/russian-marines-showed-footage-of-recent-inspection-of-sukra-okan-cargo-ship/
Russian Marines Showed Footage Of Recent Inspection Of Sukra Okan Cargo Ship

The Russian military shared footage of the inspection by the patrol ship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet Vasily Bykov on the Sukra Okan cargo ship. The incident took place on August 13, when the patrol ship fired warning shots at the cargo ship en route under the flag of Palau to the Ukrainian port of Izmail. LINK

The footage shows Russian Ka-29 helicopter flying over the Sukra Okan cargo ship which did not fulfill the requirements for stopping. A group of Russian servicemen landed on the ship, checking documentation and conducting inspection activities in the ship’s premises to check for the presence of prohibited cargo. The inspection was carried out in accordance with the requirements of international laws.

After the completion of the operation, the ship continued its journey to the port of Izmail.

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More footage of above
https://t.me/intelslava/50579

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https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/russia-destroys-grain-silos-along-danube-us-pushes-alternative-ukraine-shipping-routes

Grain silo - "Don't drone me, bro!"

 

This is funny AF too...

NATO CoS - Ukraine is going to have to live with being smaller...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-suggests-first-time-ukraine-could-cede-territory

Then, he has to walk that back...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-official-retracts-russian-land-grab-suggestion-means-broker-peace-ukraine

LOL!

Why lose some when the option of losing all is still possible?

 

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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/warmongering-neocons-spend-2-million-ads-ukraine-war

Defending Democracy Kleptocracy Together

 

Talk about a panic button!  This is akin to announcing another bogus scamdemic lockdown...

NOBODY with a brain is buying this BS anymore...only the brain-dead demoscat dreck and the conspirators GAFF about protecting the totalitarian drift!

They are panicking...time to hit them HARDER!!!

As for the Euro theater...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/belarusian-forces-conduct-landing-assault-drills-near-polish-border

...Belarus cannot break wind without Czar Vlad's approval...

...if they and the Rus move, they'll move in unison...

Meanwhile Ukrainian's continue to expend equipment and personnel at horrific rates for little gains in territory...I think to date they've liberated/captured 2 little towns...

Having more success with drones and submersibles...

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It seems the US TNT used  in artillery shells comes from Poland and a part of Ukraine now part of Russia. We don't make TNT in the US???  Just brilliant.

https://youtu.be/ECl3vPRMdAU?t=1268
 F16 world tour. Ukraine casualty averse. Welt, 3MIL mobilization. US needs TNT. CNN, BRICS fail. U/1
Alex Christoforou

https://www.rt.com/news/581547-pentagon-struggles-ammunition-ukraine-materials/

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Anybody can make it...it is a chemical process...tolouene nitric acid, citric acid, oleum, sodium sulfate...or sodium bicarbonate then fuming nitric acid and sulfuric acid...

Most shells etc use amatol (TNT & ammonium nitrate) in legacy items and replaced by Comp-B [RDX/Cyclonite, TNT dash of wax] & , Torpex [RDX, TNT & powdered aluminum] & Tritonol [TNT & powdered aluminum]...

And that is being replaced with something called IMX-101 and it is a more complicated chemical combination than I will attempt to describe...

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Then why buy it from Poland and Ukraine???
Also, tucker interviews Serbian president. Just a trailer.
That should be interesting.
https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1693274436215152986

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Then why buy it from Poland and Ukraine???
Also, tucker interviews Serbian president. Just a trailer.
That should be interesting.
https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1693274436215152986

Probably more kickbacks...

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I took an anthropology course in college, mostly college. We mostly read case studies/field studies where some guy/gal tried to be unobtrusive, observe, and write stuff down. Maybe it went woke now. It never left me. I watched a lot of telegram video clips early in this war. Also video clips from non govt sources.

I saw some factory making mine safety equipment maybe in Donbass. They still have factories! They still have mines! The women were in the basement shelter as the place was being shelled or rocket attacked. They broke out singing Katushka. Wow, they seem to have a common culture! Someone started singing some Soviet era song but they broke out laughing half way through because they forgot the lame words.

Eli from Russia shows various towns in Russia. She mentions what factories are there.

Reminds me of this song. Used in the movie Reds (1981). Starman at ACOC found it for me. Lame words.  BTW the movie does not glorify communism, although it seems like that at the beginning.
https://youtu.be/j6ytajj6Zow

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"Most American know nothing about Ukraine," Macgregor continued, adding that "if they knew anything about the history of Eastern Europe, they would all say 'get out!'... because the wars and the blood and the hatred that's been fought over for centuries is something we can't sort out."

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/us-brink-catastrophic-war-could-easily-destroy-us-col-douglas-macgregor-tells-tucker

Most honest thing he has said yet...the rest is the usual obvious and unimportant.

If he was fully honest he would also acknowledge the role Russia has played in making this hatred and conflict inevitable...as well as acknowledge Russians must know no matter how this ends they also cannot  ever hope to sort out either...without resorting to the sins of the past that helped fertilize much of the hatred.

I'll not hold my breath waiting for McGregor or Russians to admit it though...

We now, regrettably...return to the regular programming...

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^^^
This has links to the Tucker Macgregor interview.

My random thoughts below.

I wonder if NATO can fight well. I have no expertise on this. I think that Israel has to have a good military. If they fail to they will be in trouble in a hurry. The US is protected by two oceans. We can be fat, dumb, and happy and not suffer at home from military invasions. Have we let things slide? I heard that EU let things slide a great deal.

I always admired Israeli weapons development. Now it seems Russia is doing a good job. Iran might be doing OK considering their limitations.

I would guess that USAF and naval AF is vastly superior to the Russian AF. What if Russia knows that and does not oblige to engage in fighters vs fighters?  How would US planes fair over protected airspace?

It seems the F-35 is a great plane. Does it have an Achilles heel? I heard it can be located using radars but not targeted using radars?

Tucker interview below.

Tucker recently interviewed Col. Macgregor for 50 minutes. I'll bet this is the first time many Americans heard this.
People have copied this video outside twitter. This is a very good video IMO.
In short, the Americans have been lied to about the war.
The US main tank uses a turbine, can run for only 8 hours on a tank of fuel, some parts reach 1000 deg F, tanks can be tracked from space using this high temp. They cannot hide.
US army is like the French before the Franco Prussian war. They thought they were great but they were not.

US debt is $240K per worker.
' Asylum seekers' get $2,200 per month?? More than US average social security and much more than fire victims in Hawaii got.
 Donors control US govt.
60K Ukr children went missing.
He estimated 400K Ukr dead. Maybe 40K RU dead(?) I did not write this down so maybe faulty.

Big business wants to own Ukr farm land after the war.

Niger is not our concern. No, Wagner and China are not to blame, at least not now.


https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1693761723230990509
or
https://youtu.be/iMUAaWK79Vc
[lowkeysays]https://youtu.be/iMUAaWK79Vc[/lowkeysays]
 Tucker Carlson Talks To Colonel Douglas Macgregor About The Ukraine War
TheDC Shorts
536K subscribers
365,654 views  Aug 21, 2023
Tucker Carlson spoke with Colonel Douglas Macgregor about the Ukraine war

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https://www.bitchute.com/video/nPh02HucLxc3/

Things are missing here...

A legitimate ass-kicker would love to face a static defense...either this is bait to lure forces in to be hit by the mobile units nearby or with drones and such...or the Uke's are so weak they've made static defenses effective for one of the few times in history...

Also, a large shell direct hit that crap will not stop...

More importantly if the OpFor has drones with IR capability...those so-called hidden spots light up like a Christmas tree...

So, not sure how much of this vid is propaganda vs real...

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https://www.bitchute.com/video/nPh02HucLxc3/

Things are missing here...

A legitimate ass-kicker would love to face a static defense...either this is bait to lure forces in to be hit by the mobile units nearby or with drones and such...or the Uke's are so weak they've made static defenses effective for one of the few times in history...

Also, a large shell direct hit that crap will not stop...

More importantly if the OpFor has drones with IR capability...those so-called hidden spots light up like a Christmas tree...

So, not sure how much of this vid is propaganda vs real...

I heard that the cluster munitions (shells?)  have a mix of anti personal and anti vehicle.? The anti personnel have tiny parachutes and explode at a height above ground maybe with flechettes. Not sure of the anti vehicle. They only used the cluster munitions because they ran out of the preferred high explosive stuff.

The wood would stop the flechettes not any HE stuff. They continue to use cluster stuff against the civilian areas of Donetsk. The US does not seem to tell them use to attack Russian military instead.

IMO the US micromanaged the Ukr counter offensive and is now blaming them for the lack of progress.

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https://www.bitchute.com/video/nPh02HucLxc3/

Things are missing here...

A legitimate ass-kicker would love to face a static defense...either this is bait to lure forces in to be hit by the mobile units nearby or with drones and such...or the Uke's are so weak they've made static defenses effective for one of the few times in history...

Also, a large shell direct hit that crap will not stop...

More importantly if the OpFor has drones with IR capability...those so-called hidden spots light up like a Christmas tree...

So, not sure how much of this vid is propaganda vs real...

I heard that the cluster munitions (shells?)  have a mix of anti personal and anti vehicle.? The anti personnel have tiny parachutes and explode at a height above ground maybe with flechettes. Not sure of the anti vehicle. They only used the cluster munitions because they ran out of the preferred high explosive stuff.

The wood would stop the flechettes not any HE stuff. They continue to use cluster stuff against the civilian areas of Donetsk. The US does not seem to tell them use to attack Russian military instead.

IMO the US micromanaged the Ukr counter offensive and is now blaming them for the lack of progress.

I heard the opposite...they are not using what we gave them they we use them and are just doing their own thing...plus fighting too wide a front at once instead of concentrating on weak areas and whenever they do concentrate they stupidly attack areas too well defended...

There are only a zillion drone and spy plane flights conducted close enough to the area plus sat overflights...they must disregard advice and just tool around like bandits...

Anyway, all must not being going according to Putin's expectations...he jettisoned General Armageddon (Surovikan) and turned their air forces to some dude named Afzalov...and blaming him for advane knowledge of Prigozhin's rebellion...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-fires-general-who-ran-ukraine-war-wake-wagner-mutiny-events

...which may point towards the plane Prigozhin was on was eliminated on Putin's orders...

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I heard the same as you but only recently. Before that I heard state dept leaks were calling this counter offensive "Vicky's offensive" as state dept was micromanaging it. I believe that the initial thrust using armor through mine fields with no air support was the plan. It's almost like the state dept should not plan wars.

I don't pretend to understand any of this Kremlin stuff. The Wagner guy was surrounded and the road to Moscow blocked by Chechens.  I heard that the Russian helicopter was not supposed to be launched and some hot head in Wagner shot it down. A screw up.

Oh well.

The fact that Kiev is getting ANY bad press does not look well for them. Some say it sounds like the end of Vietnam. "Gee, we gave them all that equipment and training and they still lost. Not OUR fault. we did what we could."

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I never liked the Hunt for Red October because I could not buy that a whole bunch of Soviet officers would commit treason. There WAS some basis for the plot. Some Soviet warship had a crew that thought they were being mistreated by the captain. So a small group locked him and others below decks in a room and took over the ship. They took it to maybe Leningrad, thinking that if only the top brass knew how bad they were being treated they would remedy the situation.

The leader was executed and the others involved put in prison.

Wasn't there some old saying "If only Stalin knew .... " (about Soviet mistreatment)?

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I do not read French. It seems to say Crimea is 67% Russian, 15% Ukr, 10% Tartar. They discuss how to ethnically cleanse Crimea. They provide the sources on the screen.

https://t.me/putingers_cat/3868
??On the French TV channel LCI they discuss the practical steps of the supposed future ethnic cleansing of Crimea.

??Follow:
t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses

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The sh!tshow that keeps on sh!tting...