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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1660 on: August 28, 2023, 01:42:36 PM »

The above French TV numbers do not match the 2013 USAID poll. Maybe the only choices were Russian and Ukrainian. The 15% Ukr  was the same in both cases.  Plus I am told that Kiev took the autonomous options off the table in 1996, leaving either being part of Ukraine as an oblast or part  of Russia. An independent Crimea would need the protection of Russia. Crimeans would have to jump to one side or the other.

I imagine the Kiev ideology would not welcome non Ukrainian Tartars.

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Ex US Marine ex pat lives in Thailand. Brian Berletic at The New Atlas. He found a 2013 USAID paper on Crimea and discusses it. He discusses the poll. https://youtu.be/PGoNNbnQmjg?t=1143

What do you consider yourself? 40% Russian, 24% Crimean, 15% Crimean Tartar, 15% Ukrainian
If Crimea could join only one what should it join? 53% Russian customs union, 17% EU.
How would you evaluate your attitude to the following entities? (warm?) 68% RU, 14% EU, 13% Turkey, 10% Pol, 6% US.
In your opinion, what should the status of Crimea be?
Autonomy in Ukraine (as today) 53%
Crimea should be separated and given to Russia 23%
 Crimean Tatar autonomy within Ukraine 12%
Common oblast of Ukraine 2%
https://pdf.usaid.gov/pdf_docs/pnaec705.pdf
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1661 on: August 29, 2023, 08:06:43 AM »
For true accuracy though one must acknowledge and quantify the filter for who control the information in the region...

Just like the low-info dreck here...they got it there...it's everywhere...
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« Reply #1662 on: August 29, 2023, 08:41:24 AM »
For true accuracy though one must acknowledge and quantify the filter for who control the information in the region...

Just like the low-info dreck here...they got it there...it's everywhere...

Crimea was officially titled as the autonomous republic of Crimea or some such. Kiev officially revoked the autonomy in 1996 but Crimea still regarded themselves as autonomous. I can see where most people would want to preserve their autonomy if that was the status quo.

You should always consider who did the poll. If this poll was done by Russia that would effect how I viewed it, although I would question why only 25% wanted to join Russia if the poll was biased in some way.

In law, an "admission against interest" gives added weight. If USAID wanted to bias the poll I don't think they would come up with these results.

Kiev made it clear that autonomy was going to end and the people of Crimea reacted. Americans are so ignorant they believe that Crimea is mostly filled with Ukrainians.  If Crimea had not received Russian protection, they would be in the same situation as Odessa. Russian would be banned in schools, business, and govt. Russian books would be seized. Later, priests would be arrested, churches seized, and turned over to a 2018 govt created sect. They made the move that was right for them.

Some reporter from NBC went to Crimea and asked a few questions of people on the street on camera. He asked some woman if she considered herself Ukrainian or Russian. She laughed at him and said "Russian of course."  That was enough for Kiev to put him on their kill list. They want to keep Americans ignorant.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1663 on: August 29, 2023, 05:18:23 PM »
IMO the US and Kiev have been staying awake at night trying to figure out how to drag NATO into the war. If the US would blow up the NS pipelines would they launch an attack from Estonia without their permission? From the sea?  Is Estonia stupid enough to knowingly get involved?

BTW Some Taiwan billionaire is running for president. His Platform? "We will not become the next Ukraine."

20(?)  UAVs reportedly hit the airport at PSKOV. I don't normally post on such stuff but look at the location. Hard to hit from Ukraine. Right next to Estonia. I would not count on early information being correct.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Pskov,+Pskov+Oblast,+Russia/@57.8005908,28.2659341,12z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x46c0193affb48223:0xea1f6715fb9517f!8m2!3d57.8166994!4d28.3344735!16zL20vMDFzMjIw?entry=ttu

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https://t.me/ZradaXXII/24739
Turkish publics report that kamikaze UAVs were massively launched from the territory of Estonia.

https://t.me/RWApodcast/529
Pskov International Airport has been attacked by a swarm of ~20 UAVs. There is a large fire that looks like a hit on a fuel depot or something similar. Pskov is located about 700km from the Ukrainian border, about 200km from the Belorussian border, about 60km from the Latvian border and about 30km from the Estonian border. Some sources are alleging that the drone swarm came from the west, meaning they were launched from Latvia or Estonia... But there is no official information yet, neither as to what exactly happened, nor what the damage is.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1664 on: August 30, 2023, 07:48:35 AM »
https://twitter.com/i/status/1696635489346883780

https://twitter.com/i/status/1696780202700103750

Hard to GAF...

Russia ignored us for 4 years and got just as stuck as we did with the corrupt pedo puppet FJB...

And not like anybody dragging this nation kicking and screaming into Hell GAF about us either...

This is Russia's problem...

Besides, Uke's are doing the same thing all collapsing armies do...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ft-discovers-71-year-old-ukrainian-nato-training-program

...so be patient...

And, it is also largely a Euro problem...some know this, others do not...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/very-dangerous-moment-hungarys-orban-warns-tucker-3rd-world-war-knocking-door

...and Orban is correct...we the oppressed people of America need Trump back, liberty and America can survive any more degeneration into totalitarianism...certainly the intelligent people in Europe see it too, the current batch of globalists will destroy them too, and if America wasn't occupied by despotism it would be harder for the Euro globalists to go it alone...if Russia had embraced free America and cut any kind of deal they would not be in this mess either...

Corruption, stolen elections, globalists and war profiteers and mistakes got us all here...

All we can do is wait to see if America can throw of the chains being thrown around them...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1665 on: August 30, 2023, 12:53:21 PM »
This, however...I do GAF about...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/biden-looks-prevent-future-president-ending-ukraine-war

...they can KMY/KOA!  Binds nothing.  Their MOU can rot...any funding Quislings authorize do not have to be spent, just like anything allocated for a border wall can be ignored and the wall dismantled!

And given this...

https://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,18045.new.html#new

...the deadwood will self remove soon enough.
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« Reply #1666 on: August 30, 2023, 01:50:58 PM »
This, however...I do GAF about...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/biden-looks-prevent-future-president-ending-ukraine-war

...they can KMY/KOA!  Binds nothing.  Their MOU can rot...any funding Quislings authorize do not have to be spent, just like anything allocated for a border wall can be ignored and the wall dismantled!

And given this...

https://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,18045.new.html#new

...the deadwood will self remove soon enough.

From the link.  FEMA is worried about running out of money and requested  $12B, provided $24B is given to Ukraine.

EU may sanction Poland for refusing Ukraine grain into the country.
Poland has elections coming up. Olaf Scholz recently said that there will no more money to help consumers deal with higher nat gas prices. This winter may be brutal. German mfg is dropping.

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The Pope was added to the Banderite hitlist “Myrotvorets” for calling on Russian youth not to abandon the legacy of great Russia but it was quickly deleted according to numerous Telegram channels.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1667 on: August 30, 2023, 02:29:01 PM »
For 9 years now. Nothing new except that newer US weapons are being used.


https://youtu.be/2Z5JUaXbCzo
 American Air To Surface Rockets Hit Center Donetsk Russia Ukraine War (Special Operation)
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Ukraine is continuing to fire USA supplied weapons on civilian areas in Donetsk. Today Ukraine fire many  AGM-88 HARM air to surface missiles into civilian areas of Donetsk. In this report I go to the location were a AGM-88 HARM  hit the 18th floor of an apartment building under construction "Bulvar City" Voroshilovsky District, CENTER Donetsk. There was many attacks by Ukrainian forces on civilian areas of Donetsk today including a hardware store being hit and 6 civilians injured. I addition to going to the location where the Harm hit I also went to the main trauma hospital and spoke to Doctors and injured children about the civilian casualties of the daily shelling.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1668 on: August 31, 2023, 08:17:12 AM »
FJB and the scum-sucking DemoNazis holding disaster relief for Maui & Florida hostage to more billions pissed away in Ukraine can GFT!   ::doublebird::

Why anybody would want an apostate pope on their side must not be able to reach Satan directly...  ::)

Civilians suffer in war?  Not a newsflash...

In fact if you want to know the greatest destroyer of human life on the planet - it has always been and will continue to be TYRANNY!  It has dwarfed anything wars have done by far...look it up!  Armenian genocide, purges, cultural revolutions, killing fields...

War can impact civilians but nothing wipes them out like tyranny from their overlords.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1669 on: August 31, 2023, 11:22:47 AM »
I have no dog in this religious fight. The sect taking over the orthodox churches in Ukraine was created in 2018 by the govt as I recall. I read that people were required to denounce Russia before they were allowed to enter the churches. I have no idea how the priests were trained or ordained before or now. Are the new priests graduates of some seminary?  Are they Christian? This must be upsetting to older religious people.

The US made a lot of bone head moves in the middle east but nothing like Kiev is doing by messing with religion.

https://t.me/ukraine_watch/7912
Ukranian authorities force church to change dates of church holidays from tomorrow

They coincide with Catholic feasts.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1670 on: August 31, 2023, 11:56:32 AM »
it's not like the Russian Orthodox Church is a paragon of virtue and independence!

Under Imperial rule they went along with the government...under Communism they went along with the government...the only difference being the Imperialists did not oppress, imprison, rob or shoot the clergy...

https://www.rbth.com/history/329361-russian-orthodox-church-ussr-communism

So, one bitch of the government pointing at another and screaming "bitch of the government" leaves me not GAF at all...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1671 on: August 31, 2023, 01:11:17 PM »


I don't GAF about Islam either.
Imagine Russia creating a new govt backed Islam sect, arresting Imams, seizing mosques and giving them to the new sect, and seizing holy relics and shipping them out of the country?
Geez! I cannot imagine doing that. What is the up side?

There is an upside to trying to get along with other people.
Putin recently visited Dagestan, mostly Islamic. He was very warmly welcomed and was given a special edition of the Koran.
Putin ended the second Chechen war by bombing them, with money. Grozny had been flattened and was rebuilt. They have a lot of autonomy. Eli from Russia visited and reported on the place, including a wedding. Now there are tens of thousands of Chechen warriors fighting alongside Russia. THAT is the upside.

Kiev drank some nasty pagan Norse ethnic superiority Kool Aid that will destroy them.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1672 on: August 31, 2023, 01:15:44 PM »
This is one way to avoid paying any more for the war.  ::laughonfloor::

https://t.me/iEarlGreyTV/7119
🇭🇺?🇺🇦 Hungary will refuse to finance the Kiev regime until Ukraine reports on the spent 50-70 billion euros

Hungarian media quoted Foreign Minister Peter Szijjártó as saying that Kiev would have to provide a detailed report.

“Of course I won’t give in to pressure. Until we get a detailed, clear account of what the approximately €50-70 billion spent on Ukraine was spent on, and until the OTP bank is removed from the list of so-called international sponsors of the war, there can be no question of making a decision. about additional funds to finance armaments or anything related to Ukraine,” Szijjártó said.

Among other things, Hungary expects the Kiev regime to exclude the OPT bank from the list of 'war sponsors'.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1673 on: August 31, 2023, 01:31:04 PM »


Alastair Crooke is pretty good. He has been around the block a few times.
He has done negotiations.
He was asked if he could open up a channel more than once. He said that part was easy, but always asked what do you want me to say, to offer?
THAT is the hard part.
About a cease fire?
So you want to have a cease fire so you can re-arm Kiev, rebuild the army, then attack again in a few years???

He said Ukr was like Hotel California. You can check out but you can never leave.

https://youtu.be/33A0GIrLT1Q
 U.S. Seeking Perpetual War in Ukraine? w/ Alastair Crooke fmr Brit ambassador
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1674 on: September 05, 2023, 12:54:48 PM »


https://t.me/ukraine_watch/8177
🇺🇦🇪🇺Ukrainians are starting to receive notices that they will be deported back to Ukraine if they do not leave the EU on their own within two weeks.

A Ukrainian 'refugee' has received a letter from the authorities demanding that he return to Ukraine within 2 weeks, even though, as he explains, he has not left the country illegally and has not bought any certificates. He is asking users for advice on how to ensure that he does not return to the country.

Run, Forrest!...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1675 on: September 06, 2023, 12:58:08 PM »
I will only point out those EuroFascists don't do that for darker-skinned peoples...

In other vastly more critical news...that has my blood boiling...'

Most Americans have absolutely no idea how close we are to nuclear war.  Our politicians confidently assure us that the war in Ukraine will never spark a nuclear conflict, and the mainstream media in the western world rarely talks about such a scenario.  But over in Russia, things are completely different.  They regard the war in Ukraine as an existential conflict between Russia and NATO, and there is constant talk on Russian television about the possibility of nuclear war.  Here is the latest example that I have come across…

A Kremlin propagandist has issued the latest nuclear threat against the West regarding the war in Ukraine, warning that the U.S. could be in danger of a Russian missile attack.

Igor Korotchenko, editor of the newspaper National Defense and a regular guest on the Russia 1 channel where guests have repeatedly called for strikes against Ukraine’s allies, took exception to criticism of Russian conduct in the war.

During his recent appearance on the Russia 1 channel, Korotchenko openly talked about a “first strike” which would involve hitting “targets on the territory of the United States of America”…

“The most important message we should send to the Americans is that we will not wage war with you in Europe,” he said in a clip subsequently posted on X (formerly Twitter) by Ukrainian internal affairs adviser Anton Gerashchenko.

“In response to your attacks on Russian military or civilian facilities, the first strike will be a preventative limited strike against targets on the territory of the United States of America,” he told the anchor of 60 Minutes, Yevgeny Popov. Last week, Russia announced that its Sarmat strategic missile system, which can reach the U.S., had been put on combat duty.


This is just more confirmation of my belief that these Russian c*******ers desire this just as much as the motherf**king puppetmasters and puppets running amok here!  If these Russian c*******ers are as brilliant as all Russians and Russophiles tell us fracking constantly they are, that Czar Vlad is playing 4D chess against a bunch of depraved woke Western fools...then they knew what was going to be triggered when they rolled into Ukraine and started annexing territory, any other explanation is bullsh*t because it would completely obliterate their intelligent superiority!

Just like they knew what would happen if they failed to negotiate any kind of agreement with Trump when they had the chance and chose not to.  They want this nuclear exchange as bad as our lunatics running things!

That is pretty stunning.

But Korotchenko’s remarks are tame compared to what retired Major General Alexander Vladimirov is saying.

Vladimirov is the author of Russia’s “war bible”, and he is entirely convinced that a nuclear war involving the United States and Russia has become “inevitable”…

Nuclear war is the ‘inevitable’ conclusion of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, a Russian general who wrote the nation’s ‘war bible’ has warned.

The chilling forecast came from retired Major General Alexander Vladimirov, who penned Russia’s three volume book called the ‘General Theory of War’.

Why didn’t this make headline news all over the United States?

According to Vladimirov, “nuclear weapons will be used in this war”, and he wants his country to actively prepare for such an outcome so that they will have the best chance to survive…

He warned: ‘I am sure that nuclear weapons will be used in this war – inevitably, and from this neither we nor the enemy have anywhere to go.

‘The sooner our politicians and leadership realise this, the sooner we start to train troops and the population for this – the more chances we will have for survival, which means victory.’


Looks like to me Satan has all the shot-callers East and West by the shorthairs...they are ALL lunatics!

And this bullsh*t...

Sadly, Vladimirov is seeing things quite clearly.

If we stay on the path that we are on, it will result in the unthinkable.

That is why so many of us have been advocating for a peaceful solution in Ukraine.


Snyder has so much Putin gravy on his face he cannot see straight!

We...   ::outrage::  Yes, it's just the lunatics running the US to blame, the lunatics on the East are accountability free!  What an asshole!

Unfortunately, Joe Biden and his minions just keep escalating matters.  They are deeply frustrated with how poorly Ukraine’s counteroffensive has fared, and they are pushing the Ukrainians to make more of an effort to achieve a breakthrough in the south…

Michael you ignorant slut!  WTF do you expect the puppet or puppetmasters to do? Hot-tub time machine it back several decades and rediscover their anti-war selves?  Realize what they are doing is bad?  Walk away from all their investments in bioweapon labs and human trafficking?  Son fo a ...

The Russian defenses are extremely well prepared, and tens of thousands of Ukrainian men have already been slaughtered during fruitless attempts to break through Russian lines. Meanwhile, the Russians have been making significant gains on the eastern front…

Yet, nuclear war according to the Russians is inevitable.  We're winning, but we still want to nuke some asses!  Totally sane...

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And screw this dumbsh*t and his ad hom toss in about Taiuwan...GFY you dreck-filled imbecile!

FJB sent the idiot Blinken and miss it to Ukraine promising another $1B...sounds like peace is right around the corner MFer!

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How about throwing in North Korea!  You you did...naturally.

https://freedomfirstnetwork.com/2023/09/there-is-talk-in-russia-about-hitting-targets-in-the-u-s-because-nuclear-war-has-become-inevitable

What an ass!  Russians own half of this mess, get that through your damned head!!!
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« Reply #1676 on: September 06, 2023, 02:36:28 PM »
^^^ I pay more attention to what Putin says than the people you cited who are indeed scary.

The pope blamed US for "barking at Russia's door." I agree and always thought that NATO moving east was aggressive behavior and uncalled for.

I think what the US would do if Russia had trained Mexico to Russian standards, armed them to the teeth,  and remained silent about whether MX would get nukes or Russian missiles. All those have been true about Ukraine.

NATO needs to be in Ukraine about as much as Russia needs to be in Mexico. It would make no difference if Russian propaganda claimed to be in MX to defend Latin America or  to promote 'Democracy.'

One thing that shocks me is how honest US politicians and military are. US is doing this to harm Russia. Almost no mention of Ukrainian people.

Michael Hudson mentioned the oracle of Delphi being asked about Greece invading Persia. She said if Greece invaded Persia this would destroy a great empire. It did. The Greek empire. This will destroy the US empire, especially the financial empire.  It will destroy Germany and the EU.

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1677 on: September 07, 2023, 09:12:40 AM »
So you agree it is justified for Russians to launch nukes on the US, good to know...

And agree that Putin isn't as smart as he thinks he is since he ignored Trump and didn't see puppet FJB coming...

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« Reply #1678 on: September 07, 2023, 10:22:56 AM »
So you agree it is justified for Russians to launch nukes on the US, good to know...

And agree that Putin isn't as smart as he thinks he is since he ignored Trump and didn't see puppet FJB coming...

I never said that or thought that. Geez.

I think the US should have gone to war in MX if Russia did what US did in Ukraine.
I would prefer dirty tricks, bribes, regime change in MX before resorting to war.

Also see below. Note this was not limited to inside Ukr.
As part of the SBU, in 2015, a unit was created that deals with murders - the former head of the special services, Valentin Nalyvaichenko.

At that time, the authorities in Ukraine decided that simply "imprisoning collaborators" was not enough.

“We reluctantly came to the conclusion that we need to eliminate people,” he admitted.

They "really didn't want to", but "had to"...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1679 on: September 07, 2023, 12:31:13 PM »
I've given up on this arena...

People want to see one side or the other as innocent...or marginally less scummy than the other...

IMO all are responsible for what follows, no if's and's or but's...

I think I've lost all interest in this...nothing is going to change the status quo...
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