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Title: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Glock32 on November 06, 2012, 11:37:06 PM
Here are the major things I take from tonight's bloodbath:




I bold that last one because I have honestly been preparing myself mentally for this moment for at least the past 2 years or so. It is going to affect a lot of my daily thought process. I no longer see any point to cruising all the usual political sites, listening to Rush, and so on, because I think if we are honest with ourselves we can conclude that the political solution is now closed off. There's no point to Tea Party rallies or any of that anymore. We made an honest effort, but it was too little and far, far too late. Yet I have become very accustomed to coming to this forum almost every day, and I wonder what is there to discuss now? The voters have rejected our political philosophy, which happens to be the same philosophy as our Founders, and the same philosophy that made this country what it was. But, they have nevertheless rejected it.  I am now of the belief that the only thing left is for the inevitable implosion brought about by the insane, unsustainable policies that we were trying to put the brakes on through the political process. Since we have failed in that effort, the implosion is now a certainty.

I don't know, what else does everyone take from this?  Everything is different now, I know that much. I don't want the discussion here to dry up, but what is there to talk about now? To me it's almost as if "It's About Liberty" has suddenly become "It's About Survival".  That is how things feel to me now.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Pandora on November 06, 2012, 11:38:43 PM
Then we'll talk about survival.  But keep in mind that Liberty exists first in your heart and THEY CAN'T TAKE THAT.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: LadyVirginia on November 06, 2012, 11:50:58 PM
Then we'll talk about survival.  But keep in mind that Liberty exists first in your heart and THEY CAN'T TAKE THAT.

I agree with both thoughts, Pan.

The ideas that we hold dear transend this country.  It's up to us to keep them and pass them on to someday blossom once again. It is the legacy we pass on to those we care about and their children.

I was listening to a man on the radio one day a couple of months ago and he was talking about how God had blessed this country.  Then he said "but there's no guarentee that this country will continue to exist" because that's not His promise to us. It chilled me. Because he's right.
 


Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 07, 2012, 12:15:44 AM

LIVING WILL FORM


I, ____________, being of sound mind and body, do not wish to be kept alive indefinitely by artificial means. Under no circumstances should my fate be put in the hands of pinhead partisan politicians who couldn't pass ninth-grade biology if their lives depended on it, or lawyers/doctors/hospitals interested in simply running up the bills.

If after a reasonable amount of time passes, and I fail to ask for: (Check all that apply): a Martini ______, a Margarita ______, a Scotch and soda ______, a Bloody Mary______, a beer ______, a Gin and Tonic _______, a Glass of Chardonnay ______, a Steak ______, Lobster or crab legs ______, the TV remote control ______, a bowl of ice cream ______, the sports page______, Sex______, or Chocolate_______, it should be presumed that I won't ever get any better. When such a determination is reached, I hereby instruct my appointed person and attending physicians to pull the plug, reel in the tubes, and call it a day. At this point, it is time to call the New Orleans Jazz Funeral Band to come and do their thing at my funeral, and ask all of my friends to raise their glasses to toast the good times we have had or should’ve had.

Signature:________________________Date:__________

P.S. I hear that in Ireland there is a Nursing Home with a Pub. The patients are happier, and they have a lot more visitors. Some of them don't even need embalming when their time comes. If anyone knows the name of this happy place, PLEASE pass it on.

Amendment #1:
Should I become incapacitated as described above, DO NOT PULL THE PLUG until after I have voted against Barack Obama by absentee ballot in the November 2012 election.

Amendment #2:
If the plug has been pulled in violation of #1 above, and I am dead, transport me to Chicago so I can still vote against Barack Obama.

 
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Weisshaupt on November 07, 2012, 12:20:25 AM

LIVING WILL FORM


I, ____________, being of sound mind and body, do not wish to be kept alive indefinitely by artificial means. Under no circumstances should my fate be put in the hands of pinhead partisan politicians who couldn't pass ninth-grade biology if their lives depended on it, or lawyers/doctors/hospitals interested in simply running up the bills.

If after a reasonable amount of time passes, and I fail to ask for: (Check all that apply): a Martini ______, a Margarita ______, a Scotch and soda ______, a Bloody Mary______, a beer ______, a Gin and Tonic _______, a Glass of Chardonnay ______, a Steak ______, Lobster or crab legs ______, the TV remote control ______, a bowl of ice cream ______, the sports page______, Sex______, or Chocolate_______, it should be presumed that I won't ever get any better. When such a determination is reached, I hereby instruct my appointed person and attending physicians to pull the plug, reel in the tubes, and call it a day. At this point, it is time to call the New Orleans Jazz Funeral Band to come and do their thing at my funeral, and ask all of my friends to raise their glasses to toast the good times we have had or should’ve had.

Signature:________________________Date:__________

P.S. I hear that in Ireland there is a Nursing Home with a Pub. The patients are happier, and they have a lot more visitors. Some of them don't even need embalming when their time comes. If anyone knows the name of this happy place, PLEASE pass it on.

Amendment #1:
Should I become incapacitated as described above, DO NOT PULL THE PLUG until after I have voted against Barack Obama by absentee ballot in the November 2012 election.

Amendment #2:
If the plug has been pulled in violation of #1 above, and I am dead, transport me to Chicago so I can still vote against Barack Obama.

 

Welcome o the Dark Side CO.
Glad to have you here.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 07, 2012, 12:49:13 AM

Thanks for the welcome.


Yes and no.  Politics as we knew them are irrelevant but politics will continue.
A new old style of politics that we only know from novels and history will become
the rule replacing the rule of law.  As long as places like this are allowed to exist
there will be much to talk about.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: AlanS on November 07, 2012, 04:37:13 AM

Thanks for the welcome.

  • "Politics are now irrelevant"

Yes and no.  Politics as we knew them are irrelevant but politics will continue.
A new old style of politics that we only know from novels and history will become
the rule replacing the rule of law.  As long as places like this are allowed to exist
there will be much to talk about.


We can always chart the expeditious journey of the country's decent into Hell.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 07, 2012, 07:31:37 AM
Damn, that is good stuff CO!   ::beertoast::

As for the "what do we talk about", survival?  Yes, while we can.  My liberty I carry in my heart, along with my faith, they can try to take either one, but not without incurring greivous injury.

Molôn Labé!
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Glock32 on November 07, 2012, 09:15:08 AM
I just ordered another half case of 7.62x39.  Not that I think a shooting war is imminent or anything like that.  It's just I feel so utterly impotent now. The political avenue is gone, yet there's still a lot of us in this country.  So I decided I would just order some more of what will no doubt be a hot commodity.  Sales will surely be astronomical.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Pandora on November 07, 2012, 09:25:39 AM
Several sites are reporting Republican turnout was less than in '08.   ::speechless::
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: AmericanPatriot on November 07, 2012, 09:28:42 AM
Here's some of the lessons I think I got from the election.

2012 was the end of the old white guy in politics. Classes , races and identity groups are the future
We are dinosaurs

Republican leadership won't learn the right lesson and blame the loss on being too conservative. On second hand, they may be right.

The American people's values are no longer my values.

Liberty and freedom are gone

America is dead
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: ToddF on November 07, 2012, 10:49:38 AM
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Republican leadership won't learn the right lesson and blame the loss on being too conservative. On second hand, they may be right.

My prediction.  The Republican House will go Full Retard, now.  There will be no Republican house at the end of 2014.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: LadyVirginia on November 07, 2012, 10:56:09 AM
Classes , races and identity groups are the future



yep

I read comments from conservatives blacks on Twitter last night and they said GOP doesn't reach out and addresss the concerns of hispanics and blacks and women.

!?

Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Pandora on November 07, 2012, 11:05:51 AM
Classes , races and identity groups are the future



yep

I read comments from conservatives blacks on Twitter last night and they said GOP doesn't reach out and addresss the concerns of hispanics and blacks and women.

!?

I really have so had it with that sht!!!

WTF makes those groups so fcking speshul that they have separate "concerns"?! 

No, they have speshul WANTS, they want it from us, so that makes it "free", right?  That it makes us less free?  WTF would they care; it's revenge for their "concerns" not being "addressed".
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: LadyVirginia on November 07, 2012, 11:10:47 AM
Classes , races and identity groups are the future



yep

I read comments from conservatives blacks on Twitter last night and they said GOP doesn't reach out and addresss the concerns of hispanics and blacks and women.

!?

I really have so had it with that sht!!!

WTF makes those groups so fcking speshul that they have separate "concerns"?!  

No, they have speshul WANTS, they want it from us, so that makes it "free", right?  That it makes us less free?  WTF would they care; it's revenge for their "concerns" not being "addressed".

God given rights transend race, gender

but they want none of that

freedom is too much personal responsibilty

Besides what the heck can we say to them that Dems haven't already promised?
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 07, 2012, 11:14:10 AM
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Republican leadership won't learn the right lesson and blame the loss on being too conservative. On second hand, they may be right.

My prediction.  The Republican House will go Full Retard, now.  There will be no Republican house at the end of 2014.

If by "full retard" you mean the Weeper (Boehner) will cave into Duh Wun and fvck us over, yes, that is not a bet I'd care to be on the wrong side of.

But, I am done betting, I'm leaving the game.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Pandora on November 07, 2012, 11:27:05 AM
Classes , races and identity groups are the future



yep

I read comments from conservatives blacks on Twitter last night and they said GOP doesn't reach out and addresss the concerns of hispanics and blacks and women.

!?

I really have so had it with that sht!!!

WTF makes those groups so fcking speshul that they have separate "concerns"?!  

No, they have speshul WANTS, they want it from us, so that makes it "free", right?  That it makes us less free?  WTF would they care; it's revenge for their "concerns" not being "addressed".

God given rights transend race, gender

but they want none of that

freedom is too much personal responsibilty

Besides what the heck can we say to them that Dems haven't already promised?

Die.  Take your "win" and watch it love you to death.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 07, 2012, 11:27:25 AM
 ::facepalm::

Way to go Catholics!  Just like American Jews, they chose suicide.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/11/holy-smokes-obama-wins-catholic-vote-despite-attacks-on-the-church/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/11/holy-smokes-obama-wins-catholic-vote-despite-attacks-on-the-church/)

Free sh*t Morons!

 ::mooning::
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 07, 2012, 11:40:20 AM
FYI - Can't seem to find one of those national county-by-county maps of the election, would like to know the hardcare libiot counties to avoid, maybe there is a way to find a safe zone in the deepest part of conservative areas that is equidistant from bordering libiot counties on all compass axis points...

 ::saywhat::

Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: LadyVirginia on November 07, 2012, 11:41:06 AM
::facepalm::

Way to go Catholics!  Just like American Jews, they chose suicide.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/11/holy-smokes-obama-wins-catholic-vote-despite-attacks-on-the-church/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/11/holy-smokes-obama-wins-catholic-vote-despite-attacks-on-the-church/)

Free sh*t Morons!

 ::mooning::

Catholic in name only

most don't go to church, don't know church teachings and not interested in learning

Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 07, 2012, 11:45:19 AM
Looks like West is likely to lose his FL race too. 

 ::)

The world is going to hell in a handbasket...

 ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Pandora on November 07, 2012, 11:57:42 AM
Well, according to George Will (http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/07/george-will-gops-election-night-winner-was-marco-rubio/), Marco Rubio is what the GOP needs to "broaden the demographic appeal of the Party".

Remember what I wrote about the demographic change in this country, how this election might be the last chance to elect a Republican?  Well, we're all out of chances, and the push will be on to pander to the anybody-but-White cohort.

We're done.  My hope now is for an even faster FAIL.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: LadyVirginia on November 07, 2012, 12:52:37 PM
  Well, we're all out of chances, and the push will be on to pander to the anybody-but-White cohort.

We're done.  My hope now is for an even faster FAIL.

oh that spells success

/
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Pandora on November 07, 2012, 01:01:16 PM
  Well, we're all out of chances, and the push will be on to pander to the anybody-but-White cohort.

We're done.  My hope now is for an even faster FAIL.

oh that spells success

/

I'll see your /sarc   ;)  and I raise you more immigration, both legal and illega --- er, work-permitted.

I was relatively certain Romney wasn't going to move against legal immigration, and he'd said he wouldn't revamp the Dream Act by EO, so that was the reason for my prediction.  Obongo, however, is going to ramp up production and importation of the unproductive and alien.  From the perspective of the LEFT, it does spell success.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Predator Don on November 07, 2012, 02:37:46 PM
FYI - Can't seem to find one of those national county-by-county maps of the election, would like to know the hardcare libiot counties to avoid, maybe there is a way to find a safe zone in the deepest part of conservative areas that is equidistant from bordering libiot counties on all compass axis points...

 ::saywhat::





Gotta stay out of the cities. They are all cesspools. Look at the map of Tennessee (exclude Memphis) Davidson county( Nashville) will be blue, everything else is heavy red. You can come down here. My area is conservative. I don't think I could survive in a few of these states.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 07, 2012, 08:20:11 PM
Well, according to George Will (http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/07/george-will-gops-election-night-winner-was-marco-rubio/), Marco Rubio is what the GOP needs to "broaden the demographic appeal of the Party".

Remember what I wrote about the demographic change in this country, how this election might be the last chance to elect a Republican?  Well, we're all out of chances, and the push will be on to pander to the anybody-but-White cohort.

We're done.  My hope now is for an even faster FAIL.

What a load.  Time to let the GOP die, it is already running all over itself in a mad dash to look like they can play nice with the newly energized statist SCoaMF -

Boehner - Higher taxes, sure, why the hell not?!

http://www.cnbc.com/id/49731550 (http://www.cnbc.com/id/49731550)

Boehner - "We want you (Obama) to succeed!"

http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/07/boehner-to-obama-this-is-your-moment-we-want-you-to-succeed/ (http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/07/boehner-to-obama-this-is-your-moment-we-want-you-to-succeed/)

Dingy Harry - Let's restrict use of the filibuster, Mytch will only say stern words at a presser nobody in the MFM covers much anyway, so where's the risk?!

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/7/reid-moves-limit-gop-filibusters/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/7/reid-moves-limit-gop-filibusters/)

When people are ready to roll over...I say keep rollin' them...roll 'em right into the sewer!

GOP can FOAD!   ::mooning::
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Glock32 on November 07, 2012, 08:30:05 PM
There is something even more chilling about Reid's effort to declaw the filibuster. He is pursuing it because he knows the rule change will not come around to bite the Democrats in the ass, IOW he knows they now have a permanent lock on majority status.

This is about that point in the movie where Yoda and Obi-wan bid their goodbyes and head off to their respective lives of hidden exile.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 07, 2012, 08:45:39 PM
Yup.  The Sith are in control, what Jedi remain are old, weak and vastly outnumbered.  Welcome to exile.  Oh, and those SCOTUS picks will just sail through with nary a word...no matter how left-wing moonbattish they are.  Oh yeah, the Old Guard really bent us over but good these past several years, yes, they really deserve their share of the streetlamps.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: warpmine on November 07, 2012, 08:46:37 PM
Classes , races and identity groups are the future



yep

I read comments from conservatives blacks on Twitter last night and they said GOP doesn't reach out and addresss the concerns of hispanics and blacks and women.

!?


What? Liberty isn't a concern to them...like something else is more important than that.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 07, 2012, 08:58:56 PM
Classes , races and identity groups are the future



yep

I read comments from conservatives blacks on Twitter last night and they said GOP doesn't reach out and addresss the concerns of hispanics and blacks and women.

!?


What? Liberty isn't a concern to them...like something else is more important than that.

Free sh*t and cool positions with fancy titles to lord over people.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: LadyVirginia on November 07, 2012, 09:44:44 PM
The pictures from the swelling crowds for Romney fooled  me.  Even in one of his campaign emails he mentioned the large crowds as an example of momentum.  BUT those crowds were "us". 
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 08, 2012, 07:15:58 AM
I heard somewhere speculation about Evangelicals bolting from Romney, to where I dunno, maybe the eco-nut faction went to him, I have seen no data on that.

Anyway, I think the bigger issue was what appears to me to be the near total abandonment of the Tea Party support for Romney, I suspect when all is said and done that it will not be anti-Mormon sentiment or anything, but the collapse of Tea Party support that did him in.  It appears the Libertarian and Libertarian-leaning elements in the Tea Party either stayed home, voted for Johnson or wrote in Ron Paul...the surge in Tea Party support in 2010 just evaporated...no doubt seeing Ruling Class asshats like The Butthead stab Tea Party candidates in the back in the primaries and run as independents against them if they did win the primary soured the people supporting those candidates.

Perhaps if as I argued a long time ago the GOP front runner were to openly court Ron Paul and see if the idea of running Treasury could have energized some Tea Party support and resulted in a better turnout for Mitt, I dunno, it's all academic anyway, the deed is done.

What cannot be denied is that once again Ruling Class elements gave us the candidate who was not any of our conservative first choices, I went along with it to give others the benefit of the doubt and perhaps buy some time, but the fact is the Ruling Class porked us again.  They'll deny it an blame us, but whatever, people know better.  The Tea Party people sure seemed to know better, now it is time for conservatives to leave the GOP, put families and friends and their own welfare first and go on about life.

Want more reasons to abandon politics?  The dust hasn't even settled and the media is speculating about 2016...just read this and then ask yourself "Why do I care?"!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/07/with-2012-election-done-fields-wide-open-for-2016-presidential-tickets/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/07/with-2012-election-done-fields-wide-open-for-2016-presidential-tickets/)

 ::mooning::
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: AmericanPatriot on November 08, 2012, 08:20:34 AM
Maybe a little conspiracy theory?
Since I work nights, I get a little CoasttoCoastAM.

On their election might special there was a lady who investigates elections named Bev Harris. Her site is www.blackboxvoting.org (http://www.blackboxvoting.org)

Quote
(National) 11/7/2012 - AMERICA'S CLAIRVOYANT ELECTION SYSTEM - Perhaps one of the oddest moments of all during last night's live election coverage was what happened to Karl Rove on Fox Network News.

With Florida still too close to call and hundreds of thousands of votes still out in Ohio (including a large hunk of votes in Romney strongholds), and with a spread of about 100,000 votes separating the candidates in Ohio, Fox called Ohio for Obama. Karl Rove arranged to come on the Fox network to voice his rebuttal.

Now, whatever you think of Rove, I think most of us agree that he's a numbers guy. His numbers didn't support the calling of the state of Ohio at that point in time. When he explained his reasoning, the Fox anchor quickly shut him down. "It's a science" he was told.

Based not on actual votes, but on projections from a single private entity, the National Election Pool (NEP), we were all told what the election results were going to be. When Rove pulled out his notes and calculations, he was basically told "Shut up, this is a science."

But is that what your vote really is? A science project, to be viewed only by experts inside a nesting set of black boxes, completely out of public view?

If we are to have real self-governance, we need to be able to authenticate each essential step in our own elections -- without need for special expertise to explain to us what the result is. What more centralized, privatized form of declaring a result is there than to commission the NEP to provide a single set of statistics to ALL of the TV networks for a declaration of results without human eyes ever looking at a single ballot.

The media called the election in Tennessee just 11 minutes after the polls closed and by the way, exit polls had already been cancelled in Tennessee because, it was explained, everyone already knew who the winner was going to be so why bother with the expense. Even the voting machines, opaque and controlled by whatever their programmers put into them, had not yet issued results printouts. Is this the new, NEW method for pretending at democracy?

Washington State, where I live, is a forced absentee state, where 100% of the votes are now absentee ballots, which must be postmarked on Election Day. I placed my ballot in the post office at 2 pm. There are no exit polls, because there are no polling places. Apparently a few phone calls now substitute for actual exit polling (to people with land lines? That's an increasingly elderly demographic). Perhaps 40% of all ballots in Washington have not even been counted yet, but we've been told the results.

In California, typically 25% of the votes are counted after Election Day, yet results have been announced. That's a million uncounted ballots in Los Angeles alone. We have no clue what is on those ballots but we've been told not to worry about it. The stats guys have issued their verdict.

Forget voting machines, programmed by insiders to do whatever they do. Let's just skip counting the votes altogether and use statistics.

Creepy little way to run an election, if you ask me

More at the link
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Pandora on November 08, 2012, 08:23:49 AM
It's not who votes, it's who counts the votes.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: LadyVirginia on November 08, 2012, 11:17:47 AM
comments from
 http://ricochet.com/main-feed/It-s-Not-the-Economy-After-All-Is-It/(comment)/520029#comment-520029 (http://ricochet.com/main-feed/It-s-Not-the-Economy-After-All-Is-It/(comment)/520029#comment-520029)

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katievs:

Turns out, we're not a majority anymore.  Turns out that social issues trump economic issues for the left.   They don't care if the economy is in the toilet.  They want abortion and free birth control and same-sex marriage.  Like Marx, they're out to marginalize the Church and break down the family.  Their voters want hand-outs, not personal responsibility.

***

This, I think, was the real blind spot for both the GOP and myself personally. 

Underlying the whole "we are a center right nation" talk was an implicit belief in a thoughtful electorate who acted more like the mythical homo economicus than an emotional single-issue voter.  We talk about cultural decline, in terms that imply we are only at the start of the slippery slope; the core of our culture is still better, savable, and reachable. 

Last night put a stake through that idea.  We are halfway down the greased ramp and accelerating.

We face an electorate willing to be deceived, willing to abdicate responsibility, and willing to ignore all other considerations to satisfy their personal narcissistic concerns.  This is not a country that will listen to a calm, intellectual message about order and structure.

when a person only cares about his or her own wants for that day and has no basis for making decisions such as a core of principles then we will have an uphill battle
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Pandora on November 08, 2012, 11:38:01 AM
comments from
 http://ricochet.com/main-feed/It-s-Not-the-Economy-After-All-Is-It/(comment)/520029#comment-520029 (http://ricochet.com/main-feed/It-s-Not-the-Economy-After-All-Is-It/(comment)/520029#comment-520029)

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katievs:

Turns out, we're not a majority anymore.  Turns out that social issues trump economic issues for the left.   They don't care if the economy is in the toilet.  They want abortion and free birth control and same-sex marriage.  Like Marx, they're out to marginalize the Church and break down the family.  Their voters want hand-outs, not personal responsibility.

***

This, I think, was the real blind spot for both the GOP and myself personally.  

Underlying the whole "we are a center right nation" talk was an implicit belief in a thoughtful electorate who acted more like the mythical homo economicus than an emotional single-issue voter.  We talk about cultural decline, in terms that imply we are only at the start of the slippery slope; the core of our culture is still better, savable, and reachable.  

Last night put a stake through that idea.  We are halfway down the greased ramp and accelerating.

We face an electorate willing to be deceived, willing to abdicate responsibility, and willing to ignore all other considerations to satisfy their personal narcissistic concerns.  This is not a country that will listen to a calm, intellectual message about order and structure.

when a person only cares about his or her own wants for that day and has no basis for making decisions such as a core of principles then we will have an uphill battle

Too many people today have no "future orientation" at all -- "I want everything and I want it right damn now"; these people are the "instant gratification" cohort.

The principles of order and structure, necessary for a stable society, have given way to a "do yer own thang" mindset that insists on abortion and same-sex "marriage" as THE liberties worth having -- for them; for the rest of us, the "order" that makes them comfortable is when they're issuing them about how we must lives OUR lives, and nothing is beyond their purview.  What we do on our property is always "open to discussion" because the environment simply cannot be degraded in any way, which extends to the pollution of your wood fire wafting into "their" air.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 08, 2012, 11:38:52 AM
Maybe a little conspiracy theory?
Since I work nights, I get a little CoasttoCoastAM.


 ::laughonfloor::

I used to help my BIL plow snow for a few extra bucks back in the day...had a riot wind-rowing at 45mph chomping on tobacco and guzling caffeine and listening to Art Bell and the latest conspiracies on C2C!

Damned entertaining!  Ahh, memories...

Anyway, BOT, the NEP is nothing new, railed against that years ago, might as well yell at the moon for all the good it does...nobody, apparently, outside of few crazy people like us care...

Embrace the horror, we have a front row seat to the end of the nation...the ultimate "teaching moment" of our time.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: AmericanPatriot on November 08, 2012, 11:48:01 AM
C2C still has it's share of woo woo nutjobs which I mostly find entertaining.
But, it is also a source of alternate news and info sometimes.

I tried to listen to their election night coverage on replay but there was a very pro Obama slant to some of the guests.I just skipped through them
The guest I cited I heard part of live on my way home from work and wanted to hear again.
I'm a subscriber so I can listen to the replays.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 08, 2012, 11:50:11 AM
Well, you know there are a lot of headlines now days that not too long ago would be shrugged off as something spinning out of The Onion, so...
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Pandora on November 08, 2012, 11:51:15 AM
You know we're in trouble when we're saying "you just can't make this sht up".
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 08, 2012, 12:04:19 PM

Rush is saying 3,000,000 Republicans stayed home, but the demographers have not discerned who they are.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: LadyVirginia on November 08, 2012, 12:12:08 PM
I've had married couples say that allowing same sex marriages won't affect them--as if that's the deciding factor.  40 years ago I'm sure no one guessed we'd have 54 million abortions.  In 10 - 20 years where will we be if the 1% homo lobby is successful?  

I doubt that every woman who has an abortion thinks she's contributing to the 54 million dead from abortion.  She doesn't see her decision "affecting" anyone but herself.  She doesn't see that her single decision contributes to a culture of death.  Afterall, she has a good reason to abort.

Everyone walks around thinking they act and live within a vaccum.  I'm sick of people thinking they're "nice" people who think their actions are singular and don't work in concert with everyone elses to change culture for the worse.


Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 08, 2012, 12:16:15 PM

Rush is saying 3,000,000 Republicans stayed home, but the demographers have not discerned who they are.


Rush isn't considering the fact that either the number is full of scat, or that it might coincide with how many conservative ballots were tossed out, lost, destroyed...whatever...
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 08, 2012, 12:17:21 PM
I've had married couples say that allowing same sex marriages won't affect them--as if that's the deciding factor.  40 years ago I'm sure no one guessed we'd have 54 million abortions.  In 10 - 20 years where will we be if the 1% homo lobby is successful?  

I doubt that every woman who has an abortion thinks she's contributing to the 54 million dead from abortion.  She doesn't see her decision "affecting" anyone but herself.  She doesn't see that her single decision contributes to a culture of death.  Afterall, she has a good reason to abort.

Everyone walks around thinking they act and live within a vaccum.  I'm sick of people thinking they're "nice" people who think their actions are singular and don't work in concert with everyone elses to change culture for the worse.



Bubbleheads.

 ::asskicking::
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: IronDioPriest on November 08, 2012, 12:24:20 PM
I've had married couples say that allowing same sex marriages won't affect them--as if that's the deciding factor.  40 years ago I'm sure no one guessed we'd have 54 million abortions.  In 10 - 20 years where will we be if the 1% homo lobby is successful?  

I doubt that every woman who has an abortion thinks she's contributing to the 54 million dead from abortion.  She doesn't see her decision "affecting" anyone but herself.  She doesn't see that her single decision contributes to a culture of death.  Afterall, she has a good reason to abort.

Everyone walks around thinking they act and live within a vaccum.  I'm sick of people thinking they're "nice" people who think their actions are singular and don't work in concert with everyone elses to change culture for the worse.


And regarding the hand-wringing going on right now among the GOP intelligentsia, postulating that the GOP should abandon "social issues" in order to appeal to the "moderate middle", consider this:

This cycle there were 4 liberal states with marriage amendments on the ballot. All 4 liberal states came down in favor of homosexual marriage. BUT - in ALL 4 OF THOSE STATES - TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE RECEIVED MORE VOTES THAN MITT ROMNEY.

What does that tell us about how "social issues" play with the electorate at large? Traditional marriage is more popular in liberal states than the GOP candidate.

It seems to me that if a "type" of conservatism isn't popular in the blue states and swing states, it is FISCAL conservatism - NOT SOCIAL conservatism.

Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 08, 2012, 12:27:02 PM

Rush is saying 3,000,000 Republicans stayed home, but the demographers have not discerned who they are.


Rush isn't considering the fact that either the number is full of scat, or that it might coincide with how many conservative ballots were tossed out, lost, destroyed...whatever...

"Tossed out" goes into conspiracy which has been disqualified as an option.  There are people "professionals" seeking the answer and it will be interesting to know.  Maybe Levin may address it today.


Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Pandora on November 08, 2012, 12:37:21 PM
I've had married couples say that allowing same sex marriages won't affect them--as if that's the deciding factor.  40 years ago I'm sure no one guessed we'd have 54 million abortions.  In 10 - 20 years where will we be if the 1% homo lobby is successful?  

I doubt that every woman who has an abortion thinks she's contributing to the 54 million dead from abortion.  She doesn't see her decision "affecting" anyone but herself.  She doesn't see that her single decision contributes to a culture of death.  Afterall, she has a good reason to abort.

Everyone walks around thinking they act and live within a vaccum.  I'm sick of people thinking they're "nice" people who think their actions are singular and don't work in concert with everyone elses to change culture for the worse.


But, YES! it will.  In order to "consecrate" same-sex "marriage", marriage has to be made sexless for everybody and that's a vast change of concept and language.  That is going to change the way the State evaluates the spouses in normal marriages, not just the homosexuals.

The concrete concepts of husband and wife will be the first to go, mother and father will follow, as will sister and brother, aunt and uncle -- all the words we know that define and explain sex relationships within families.

Those married couples do not understand the principles of order and stability, and have no respect for tradition, nevermind religion.   ::gaah::
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: LadyVirginia on November 08, 2012, 12:50:09 PM


The concrete concepts of husband and wife will be the first to go, mother and father will follow, as will sister and brother, aunt and uncle -- all the words we know that define and explain sex relationships within families.

Those married couples do not understand the principles of order and stability, and have no respect for tradition, nevermind religion.   ::gaah::

It will destroy parental rights.



Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 08, 2012, 12:58:39 PM

Rush is saying 3,000,000 Republicans stayed home, but the demographers have not discerned who they are.


Rush isn't considering the fact that either the number is full of scat, or that it might coincide with how many conservative ballots were tossed out, lost, destroyed...whatever...

"Tossed out" goes into conspiracy which has been disqualified as an option.  There are people "professionals" seeking the answer and it will be interesting to know.  Maybe Levin may address it today.




Caller named "Ken" on rush said he thinks he was one of the 3m "conservatives" that issued a protest vote, Rush said thanks, you gave us Obama, caller said going over the cliff 100mph vs 70mph is still going over the cliff, thinks the GOP leadership needs to learn a lesson  (  ::speechless::   ::hysterical::  what a dumbass! ) and rush pointed out that's not the lesson leadership is taking (they think it is social issues, and needing to reach out to wymens and hispanics)...

Fits my theory of Libertarians/Conservatives being the culprit.

Oh well, the deed is done.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: LadyVirginia on November 08, 2012, 01:11:46 PM
my daughter got fb messages from friends proclaiming they were going to be part of the 5% (who vote libertarian)  she asked why do you want to elect BO?  They were strident in their answers that they were right. 
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Pandora on November 08, 2012, 01:38:13 PM
Rush had a clip of Krauthammer advising "we" should get Rubio out in front with an enforcement/amnesty-without-citizenship plan.  Because this is how "we" will get the "hispanics" on board.

 ::gaah::

NO.  WE WON'T.  They don't really give a crap about immigration, they want free stuff from all y'all White people and the Dems are ready to give it to them.

I made a promise to God to not utter his name nor that of His Son in a vulgar and disrespectful way, so ARRRGGGHHHH!
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Weisshaupt on November 08, 2012, 02:13:14 PM

It will destroy parental rights.


At some point you stop. You tell them "make me" - nd if they persis you shoot them dead. When they come to get you for that shooting, you shoot at them.  When they come with the swat - leave behind a little something for them to "discover" - If you take one just one- that is one less to go to the next guy, and c***less others not willing to take the job as being too dangerous.  They RELY on our obedience and fear to hide their tyranny and bullying.  Make them display who they are.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: John Florida on November 08, 2012, 02:14:39 PM
Rush had a clip of Krauthammer advising "we" should get Rubio out in front with an enforcement/amnesty-without-citizenship plan.  Because this is how "we" will get the "hispanics" on board.

 ::gaah::

NO.  WE WON'T.  They don't really give a crap about immigration, they want free stuff from all y'all White people and the Dems are ready to give it to them.

I made a promise to God to not utter his name nor that of His Son in a vulgar and disrespectful way, so ARRRGGGHHHH!



  They do give a crap about immigration,they think it's in the bag.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Glock32 on November 08, 2012, 02:44:57 PM
I came to the conclusion some time ago that for many indoctrinated whites, nothing is worse than being accused of racism. That includes even being murdered. Why else is the country so terrified of the immigration issue?  Because they're terrified of being called racists.

The controversy doesn't work with me. I see no reason to avoid admitting that adding millions of Third World peasants to our country every year is doing us long term harm.  All you have to do is look at where they come from to see how it will soon look in the areas they settle in large numbers.

This game is so over. Watching the GOP scramble to implement all the wrong solutions just confirms it all.  We've probably been done more harm by "our" party than the Democrat opposition.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: radioman on November 08, 2012, 03:13:18 PM
I think that it is more apparent to me after the election, and listening to the pundits talk about the election is this:
1 - Leftists/liberals Democrats are MOrons with a capital MO!
2 - There is nothing you can say or do that will ever change their point of view.
3 - The MOrons outnumber us
4 - With open borders the spread will be bigger next time

Conclusion:
All this bitching about 'messaging', choice of candidate, too moderate, too conservative, RINO, race makeup, wrong policies, Border, no border, and all the other blah blah blah is a total waste of time.

MOrons will never agree with us and will never vote with us in a presidential election. Fageddaboutit!

What can we do about it?
I saw one statistic that jumped out at me, and Rush talked about it today: 3 million more people voted GOP for McCain than in this election. What kind of sh1te is this? We already know there are more MOrons than us, so why on God's Green Earth would a conservative republican not vote against the MOrons, regardless of who our candidate is? Our turnout this time around should have been 3 million MORE people, not less.

We can't do anything with the MOrons, so can we turn the repubs that stayed at home? I don't know. It may be, that those repubs that stayed at home are also MOrons and untouchable as well. if that's the case, then, the only thing left for us is to HEDGE in what ever way you seem that works for you.

I'm looking at putting more into Silver because it is smaller denominations than Gold, and it is not as political as Gold. I'm retired and have already cashed out of my 401K. If you have significant assets in 401K's, I suggest you consider cashing out even if you have to pay a penalty, because i believe that this administration will be looking for assets to steal as soon as it realizes that raising taxes on the rich will not bring in the cash that they want. Just a matter of time. They will have to obtain more assets from somewhere to maintain their thirst for spending, and unlike Hitler, they don't have a neigboring country they can capture for asset seizures.

Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Alphabet Soup on November 08, 2012, 03:16:46 PM
This has always been "fall off the log" easy for me. Maybe it is because of my experiences growing up.

Everyone is racist. No exceptions - no exclusions. If (you) say, "No I'm not" it is because you have successfully talked yourself into a delusion of denial. It is a natural part of the human experience and literally no different than being able to differentiate dark from light.

The problem isn't our true natural racist selves - it's how we manage our racism. If you're like I am you have your latent racism in check. That is, your rational mind is exerting control over your emotions and directing it through the MLK filter (content of character, etc). When we operate in this mode we look at a black man being a jerk and say, "That guy is being a jerk". When we're operating in our emotional mind we say, "Niggers are jerks".

Babies, who quite obviously have not yet had an opportunity to be infused with political (in)correctness, exhibit this very human trait. They naturally seek familiarity. They look upon face that look like their mothers favorably and faces that are vastly different from their mamas with fear.

I've had the race card tossed at me many many times but I don't think that there is a time when anyone has played the race card on me with any success. It doesn't work if you (1) accept the benchmark outlined above, (2) use your rational brain to place things in their proper perspective, and (3) recognize that Liberal Projection is at play and the card tosser is undoubtedly a racist whose racism is out of control.

Oh, and once more....just for the record...hispanic isn't a race. Calls of racism against mexicans is patently absurd on the face of it.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: LadyVirginia on November 08, 2012, 06:16:38 PM
Hispanics aren't going to come over to the GOP regardless of what they are offered.  They've already get all the crap they want from the dems.  The GOP isn't offering anything they can't already get.

Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Magnum on November 08, 2012, 06:21:55 PM
I agree AS. I grew up in the inner city and I am still here. I developed my "racism" because of the many experiences and interactions (I"ll save the stories for now) I have had with minority groups here that I grew up with, went to school with and deal with presently. I work on treating everyone on how I like to be treated and with respect..... trying to leave them better off having met me, but sometimes you see behavior that leaves one astonished in a bad way.
 
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Oh, and once more....just for the record...hispanic isn't a race. Calls of racism against mexicans is patently absurd on the face of it.

Yep! Both my parents and siblings have dark hair, black eyes and are olive complected. I am the exception as I have green eyes but I got the big nose and now the gray hair >:(. We were frequently asked if we were Hispanic. People do not realize how similar in appearance Italians, Greeks, Jews, Hispanics ect....... can be. And heck for that matter my wife is of Italian/Irish decent and some of her relatives are the "dark" Irish. Oh one other thing my brother's wife is part American Indian and she is considered a "minority" yet she has blond hair.......but she has the high cheek bones ;D I love her, she is conservative and laughs at the idiocy made of race by the left.That's why I could give a rats butt about race as determined by the lefties but once they become involved they destroy and ruin lives.

As the joke goes, what is the difference in Italians, Greeks, Jews and Hispanics......................


The Jews have the money. However nobody told me...........
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Predator Don on November 08, 2012, 07:03:48 PM
All interesting reading and I agree it is senseless to attempt to dissect the liberal mind. My thought is we need at least 20 years to change the balance of power, and it won't happen until we control 1/2 of the educational system and 1/2 the media.We simply can't do it politically, it is too corrupt. We need to bypass the political process and teach the people.....But imo, its gonna take a couple of decades. We live in an apathetic nation today. While most of us were busy creating a life for ourselves and our families, liberals were busy robbing half the nation of thiers. We've reached the tipping point. It's been a slow process and I don't need to point out some of the processes here, you already know, but at some point, we need to take back the country by creating a true and meaningful narrative...and it's gonna take a while.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Pandora on November 08, 2012, 07:08:12 PM
All interesting reading and I agree it is senseless to attempt to dissect the liberal mind. My thought is we need at least 20 years to change the balance of power, and it won't happen until we control 1/2 of the educational system and 1/2 the media.We simply can't do it politically, it is too corrupt. We need to bypass the political process and teach the people.....But imo, its gonna take a couple of decades. We live in an apathetic nation today. While most of us were busy creating a life for ourselves and our families, liberals were busy robbing half the nation of thiers. We've reached the tipping point. It's been a slow process and I don't need to point out some of the processes here, you already know, but at some point, we need to take back the country by creating a true and meaningful narrative...and it's gonna take a while.

I think the process will go faster and be more successful if we gather in conservative enclaves the way the statists have done.  It doesn't have to be formal -- it couldn't be, there are LAWS, YOU KNOW -- but the word will get around that "liberals are not really welcome here".  And they don't want to live by us Neanderthals anyway.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: John Florida on November 08, 2012, 07:17:14 PM
  Plat it the way they play it: Stop talking about what were against,only talk about what were for.

 One were in they will find out real fast what were against. Let them accuse us of all manor of garbage and keep doing it there way say one thing and do another.Hide who we are as they do till they get into power.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Magnum on November 08, 2012, 07:18:30 PM
What got me today Don as I was listening to Bill Bennett was that the majority of those making 50,000 a year or more per household voted for Romney, those who made under for obama.

It friggin ticks me off to no end that those who hardly pay any taxes or no taxes at all are allowed to vote and punish those who make America work. Redistribution of wealth is evil.............................

Everything the left touches it destroys..........................
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Pandora on November 08, 2012, 07:26:21 PM
I agree AS. I grew up in the inner city and I am still here. I developed my "racism" because of the many experiences and interactions (I"ll save the stories for now) I have had with minority groups here that I grew up with, went to school with and deal with presently. I work on treating everyone on how I like to be treated and with respect..... trying to leave them better off having met me, but sometimes you see behavior that leaves one astonished in a bad way.
 
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Oh, and once more....just for the record...hispanic isn't a race. Calls of racism against mexicans is patently absurd on the face of it.

Yep! Both my parents and siblings have dark hair, black eyes and are olive complected. I am the exception as I have green eyes but I got the big nose and now the gray hair >:(. We were frequently asked if we were Hispanic. People do not realize how similar in appearance Italians, Greeks, Jews, Hispanics ect....... can be. And heck for that matter my wife is of Italian/Irish decent and some of her relatives are the "dark" Irish. Oh one other thing my brother's wife is part American Indian and she is considered a "minority" yet she has blond hair.......but she has the high cheek bones ;D I love her, she is conservative and laughs at the idiocy made of race by the left.That's why I could give a rats butt about race as determined by the lefties but once they become involved they destroy and ruin lives.

As the joke goes, what is the difference in Italians, Greeks, Jews and Hispanics......................


The Jews have the money. However nobody told me...........

The issue with race often devolves to culture and religion (other than the hostiles).  It's a lot easier for a marriage to succeed when both persons come from similar backgrounds and religions -- less to learn and deal with.  Marriage is difficult enough that having a like background and religious foundation leaves that much less to fight over.  And for the in-laws/relatives to get in a snit about.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Pandora on November 08, 2012, 07:27:40 PM
What got me today Don as I was listening to Bill Bennett was that the majority of those making 50,000 a year or more per household voted for Romney, those who made under for obama.

It friggin ticks me off to no end that those who hardly pay any taxes or no taxes at all are allowed to vote and punish those who make America work. Redistribution of wealth is evil.............................

Everything the left touches it destroys..........................

It is evil.  Few are taught today not to covet.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Predator Don on November 08, 2012, 07:34:15 PM
All interesting reading and I agree it is senseless to attempt to dissect the liberal mind. My thought is we need at least 20 years to change the balance of power, and it won't happen until we control 1/2 of the educational system and 1/2 the media.We simply can't do it politically, it is too corrupt. We need to bypass the political process and teach the people.....But imo, its gonna take a couple of decades. We live in an apathetic nation today. While most of us were busy creating a life for ourselves and our families, liberals were busy robbing half the nation of thiers. We've reached the tipping point. It's been a slow process and I don't need to point out some of the processes here, you already know, but at some point, we need to take back the country by creating a true and meaningful narrative...and it's gonna take a while.

I think the process will go faster and be more successful if we gather in conservative enclaves the way the statists have done.  It doesn't have to be formal -- it couldn't be, there are LAWS, YOU KNOW -- but the word will get around that "liberals are not really welcome here".  And they don't want to live by us Neanderthals anyway.


Another avenue which could work is thru electing republican governors. Every republican governor, regardless if they are moderate or not, are balancing thier budgets. Plus, the stupid masses are not as swayed to vote. This could work like your idea of conservative enclaves, on a state level. The more I think on it, the less states rights the more power liberals are able to gather.

The idea of moving or gathering like minds on a state level, could give some respite from liberal "logic", create a voting block too large to dismantle. It won't win a Presidency, but I'm betting a solid block of states, doing well, as the takers flock to those liberal bastains offering gay marriage and such garbage, will soon fall. We kinda have it now in the south, but conservatives moving from the northeast, the wisconsin corridor, Pennsylvania, ohio and a few others, we could create a strong allience.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: LadyVirginia on November 08, 2012, 07:47:50 PM
The idea of moving or gathering like minds on a state level, could give some respite from liberal "logic", create a voting block too large to dismantle. It won't win a Presidency, but I'm betting a solid block of states, doing well, as the takers flock to those liberal bastains offering gay marriage and such garbage, will soon fall. We kinda have it now in the south, but conservatives moving from the northeast, the wisconsin corridor, Pennsylvania, ohio and a few others, we could create a strong allience.

I think moving to a friendly state offers possibilities.  The areas that elected BO will become like Detroit.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Pandora on November 08, 2012, 09:04:53 PM
All interesting reading and I agree it is senseless to attempt to dissect the liberal mind. My thought is we need at least 20 years to change the balance of power, and it won't happen until we control 1/2 of the educational system and 1/2 the media.We simply can't do it politically, it is too corrupt. We need to bypass the political process and teach the people.....But imo, its gonna take a couple of decades. We live in an apathetic nation today. While most of us were busy creating a life for ourselves and our families, liberals were busy robbing half the nation of thiers. We've reached the tipping point. It's been a slow process and I don't need to point out some of the processes here, you already know, but at some point, we need to take back the country by creating a true and meaningful narrative...and it's gonna take a while.

I think the process will go faster and be more successful if we gather in conservative enclaves the way the statists have done.  It doesn't have to be formal -- it couldn't be, there are LAWS, YOU KNOW -- but the word will get around that "liberals are not really welcome here".  And they don't want to live by us Neanderthals anyway.


Another avenue which could work is thru electing republican governors. Every republican governor, regardless if they are moderate or not, are balancing thier budgets. Plus, the stupid masses are not as swayed to vote. This could work like your idea of conservative enclaves, on a state level. The more I think on it, the less states rights the more power liberals are able to gather.

The idea of moving or gathering like minds on a state level, could give some respite from liberal "logic", create a voting block too large to dismantle. It won't win a Presidency, but I'm betting a solid block of states, doing well, as the takers flock to those liberal bastains offering gay marriage and such garbage, will soon fall. We kinda have it now in the south, but conservatives moving from the northeast, the wisconsin corridor, Pennsylvania, ohio and a few others, we could create a strong allience.

THAT'S what I'm SAYIN'.

Expand from counties to more counties then to the state then to states.  Conservatives need to colonize states in our own country.  We may not be able to do anything about DC at large, but stop them from afflicting us with their totalitarianism.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Glock32 on November 08, 2012, 09:06:46 PM
Trouble is, economic prosperity goes where we go, which means the vultures and locusts are always close behind.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 08, 2012, 09:23:28 PM

Create legal exclusivity or repellant.

Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Pandora on November 08, 2012, 09:24:02 PM
Trouble is, economic prosperity goes where we go, which means the vultures and locusts are always close behind.

Well, since the welfare-state is what's killing us, we need new rules, by state if necessary.  No more bloc grants from the Feds; eff 'em.  No workee, no eatee.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: LadyVirginia on November 08, 2012, 09:48:11 PM
within the community bring back the culture of shame--

lazy ones are criticized and looked down upon

make it clear that productive people who hold dear worthwhile values are esteemed and held up as an example...



Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Pandora on November 08, 2012, 10:21:50 PM
within the community bring back the culture of shame--

lazy ones are criticized and looked down upon

make it clear that productive people who hold dear worthwhile values are esteemed and held up as an example...


I agree.  On the other hand, I hold no ill will for those who sincerely cannot solely care for themselves or their own.  Done properly, caring for these folks helps bring neighbors, family and friends together in some ways.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: LadyVirginia on November 08, 2012, 11:29:44 PM
within the community bring back the culture of shame--

lazy ones are criticized and looked down upon

make it clear that productive people who hold dear worthwhile values are esteemed and held up as an example...


I agree.  On the other hand, I hold no ill will for those who sincerely cannot solely care for themselves or their own.  Done properly, caring for these folks helps bring neighbors, family and friends together in some ways.

I'm with you on that.  And people make mistakes and I'm willing to forgive trangressions that are repented.  But not this in-your-face I can do what I want attitude. Well, they don't want forgiveness anyway because they don't see anything wrong with their behavior.  And it's because they didn't grow up with good examples.

I said to my daughter how many people have miserable little lives today but have no idea that they choices they've made have contributed to those miseries.  She had a friend who decided that having two boyfriends to sleep with was a great idea.  The girl thought it was like Twilight!  Of course, she's convinced herself that she's so mature seeking out health care for her birth control and testing for STD's. Neither men know about the other of course and she spends her life lying to both and others.  She aspires to nothing. 

Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: benb61 on November 08, 2012, 11:30:00 PM
What got me today Don as I was listening to Bill Bennett was that the majority of those making 50,000 a year or more per household voted for Romney, those who made under for obama.

It friggin ticks me off to no end that those who hardly pay any taxes or no taxes at all are allowed to vote and punish those who make America work. Redistribution of wealth is evil.............................

Everything the left touches it destroys..........................

By planting the seeds of class warfare, obama grew the eviltree that got him re-elected.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 09, 2012, 02:09:20 AM
What happened with this election? Something went terribly wrong and we need to know what were the failures that caused this tragedy.  They're not sure yet, we don't know but we do know that three million mostly white voters stayed home.  The analysis haven't finished with all the data for a conclusion but there are data points.

The Other McCain (http://theothermccain.com/2012/11/08/well-fight-again-tomorrow/)

We can then look to Mark Levin, who called for Karl Rove to get off the stage, and linked to this Bloomberg article that openly mocked Rove as “Biggest Super-PAC Loser”. Stacy and others have been saying for years that the Establishment GOP and their consultant pilot fish need to be forcibly retired, and this massive failure on the part of the Establishment calls for not just retirement, but a wholesale application of wooden stakes and decapitations.
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Mark Levin · 384,317 like this  13 hours ago ·
"Get off the stage Rove"  following link
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Rove Biggest Super-PAC Loser, Trump Says Waste of Money (http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-08/rove-biggest-super-pac-loser-trump-says-waste-of-money.html)

By Julie Bykowicz and Alison Fitzgerald [Bloomberg]
[Heat for Rove and Rove crawfishing]

The Republican strategist created the model for outside money groups that raised and spent more than $1 billion on the Nov. 6 elections -- many of which saw almost no return for their money.
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Rush Limbaugh asks: Why Did 3 Million GOP-ers Stay Home? (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/11/08/why_did_three_million_republicans_stay_home)

So three million Republican voters stayed home on Election Day. Three million predominantly white voters stayed home. ...
...
They did lose the white vote, but Democrats didn't get it. They just didn't show up, and it wasn't voter suppression that didn't turn 'em out.

What would be the reason that three million voters didn't show up? Let's go through the possibilities. It could be that there are a number... We've talked to 'em. We've had 'em call. We got 'em, in fact, on hold. A number of Republicans are tired of moderate nominees. They've sent the Republican Party money for years and said, "To hell with it. If you're gonna eschew conservatism, I'm not giving you any money, and I'm not voting for you."
...
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Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: AlanS on November 09, 2012, 05:10:25 AM
A number of Republicans are tired of moderate nominees. They've sent the Republican Party money for years and said, "To hell with it. If you're gonna eschew conservatism, I'm not giving you any money, and I'm not voting for you."
...
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As more than a few of us said.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: IronDioPriest on November 09, 2012, 06:58:13 AM
Even if people are disgusted with the GOP, it still doesn't compute.

People knew coming into this that re-electing Obama and a Leftist senate would forever ensconce Obamacare.

Every. Single. Credible. Poll. Taken since Obamacare was crammed through has shown it to be moderately-to-vastly unpopular with the American people - except the exit polls on 11/6/12, showing people favoring the health care law - and of course the only poll that counts; the election results.

3,000,000 Republican voters stayed home?

Like Charles mentioned, we had enthusiasm disparities like 200 people for Stevie Wonder and Obama, and 30,000 people for Romney - repeating all across the country for the last 2-3 weeks of the campaign. We had enthusiasm-gap polls showing the GOP enjoying a lead larger than any before. We had party ID polls showing the GOP leading. We had polls showing independent voters breaking for the GOP in double digits.

It doesn't compute.

As Josef Stalin supposedly said, "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."

God help me overcome thought-loops that lead to no conclusions and no peace. But it does not compute. Which, if true, means that we are in the midst of a hostile totalitarian coup of a scope barely imaginable.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 09, 2012, 08:18:35 AM
A number of Republicans are tired of moderate nominees. They've sent the Republican Party money for years and said, "To hell with it. If you're gonna eschew conservatism, I'm not giving you any money, and I'm not voting for you."
...
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As more than a few of us said.

Yes, Im agreed to vote for Romney not because I thought Romney was "the answer", I voted for Romney because a) he was not Obama and b) to give other people breathing time.

Apparently not every conservative considered the former to be enough and didn't care about the latter.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 09, 2012, 08:24:20 AM
Even if people are disgusted with the GOP, it still doesn't compute.

People knew coming into this that re-electing Obama and a Leftist senate would forever ensconce Obamacare.

Every. Single. Credible. Poll. Taken since Obamacare was crammed through has shown it to be moderately-to-vastly unpopular with the American people - except the exit polls on 11/6/12, showing people favoring the health care law - and of course the only poll that counts; the election results.

3,000,000 Republican voters stayed home?

Like Charles mentioned, we had enthusiasm disparities like 200 people for Stevie Wonder and Obama, and 30,000 people for Romney - repeating all across the country for the last 2-3 weeks of the campaign. We had enthusiasm-gap polls showing the GOP enjoying a lead larger than any before. We had party ID polls showing the GOP leading. We had polls showing independent voters breaking for the GOP in double digits.

It doesn't compute.

As Josef Stalin supposedly said, "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."

God help me overcome thought-loops that lead to no conclusions and no peace. But it does not compute. Which, if true, means that we are in the midst of a hostile totalitarian coup of a scope barely imaginable.


Not doubting the presence of malfeasance on a massive scale, I actually warned of it, but assuming proof positive is found, it changes nothing!  We have ample proof of Obama's lies, Benghazigate alone shows that clearly, but nobody gives a FF!  Come forward with proof an election was stolen and the knives will come out and some holding them may surprise or shock some people.  The only person able to contest the election results capitulated, the deed is done...and so are we.

The GOP is done too, they are just too stupid to know it.  They will not learn the right lessons, again...they will not stop blaming conservatives, again...they will not purge moderates from their midst, again...they will wither on the vine and die out...as they should.

The time of politics is OVER, it is now the time of revolution or enslavement, their is no middle ground, no door number three.

Welcome to the end.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: John Florida on November 09, 2012, 08:48:37 AM
Were divided as a party and that's at the center of it or people wouldn't elect rinos to congress.They keep us as divided as Bambi does.As long as that happens were dead internally.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: LadyVirginia on November 09, 2012, 09:18:52 AM
Even if people are disgusted with the GOP, it still doesn't compute.

People knew coming into this that re-electing Obama and a Leftist senate would forever ensconce Obamacare.

Every. Single. Credible. Poll. Taken since Obamacare was crammed through has shown it to be moderately-to-vastly unpopular with the American people - except the exit polls on 11/6/12, showing people favoring the health care law - and of course the only poll that counts; the election results.

3,000,000 Republican voters stayed home?

Like Charles mentioned, we had enthusiasm disparities like 200 people for Stevie Wonder and Obama, and 30,000 people for Romney - repeating all across the country for the last 2-3 weeks of the campaign. We had enthusiasm-gap polls showing the GOP enjoying a lead larger than any before. We had party ID polls showing the GOP leading. We had polls showing independent voters breaking for the GOP in double digits.

It doesn't compute.

As Josef Stalin supposedly said, "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."

God help me overcome thought-loops that lead to no conclusions and no peace. But it does not compute. Which, if true, means that we are in the midst of a hostile totalitarian coup of a scope barely imaginable.


No, it doesn't compute.  Not this time.

Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Weisshaupt on November 09, 2012, 09:49:40 AM
I agree.  On the other hand, I hold no ill will for those who sincerely cannot solely care for themselves or their own.  Done properly, caring for these folks helps bring neighbors, family and friends together in some ways.

Nope. If you need help and you ask, then I will consider it. If you need help and chose to hold a gun to my head to get it, you can sleep with the fishes. I hold ill will for ANYONE who is willing or desperate enough to accept dirty money, taken by force.  They deserve whatever ails them and more. 
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 09, 2012, 09:59:04 AM

A catalyst.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Pandora on November 09, 2012, 02:25:26 PM
I agree.  On the other hand, I hold no ill will for those who sincerely cannot solely care for themselves or their own.  Done properly, caring for these folks helps bring neighbors, family and friends together in some ways.

Nope. If you need help and you ask, then I will consider it. If you need help and chose to hold a gun to my head to get it, you can sleep with the fishes. I hold ill will for ANYONE who is willing or desperate enough to accept dirty money, taken by force.  They deserve whatever ails them and more. 

I was speaking specifically of those who ask, not demand, nor those who use force.  I should have made myself more clear.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Pandora on November 09, 2012, 02:30:36 PM
Even if people are disgusted with the GOP, it still doesn't compute.

People knew coming into this that re-electing Obama and a Leftist senate would forever ensconce Obamacare.

Every. Single. Credible. Poll. Taken since Obamacare was crammed through has shown it to be moderately-to-vastly unpopular with the American people - except the exit polls on 11/6/12, showing people favoring the health care law - and of course the only poll that counts; the election results.

3,000,000 Republican voters stayed home?

Like Charles mentioned, we had enthusiasm disparities like 200 people for Stevie Wonder and Obama, and 30,000 people for Romney - repeating all across the country for the last 2-3 weeks of the campaign. We had enthusiasm-gap polls showing the GOP enjoying a lead larger than any before. We had party ID polls showing the GOP leading. We had polls showing independent voters breaking for the GOP in double digits.

It doesn't compute.

As Josef Stalin supposedly said, "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."

God help me overcome thought-loops that lead to no conclusions and no peace. But it does not compute. Which, if true, means that we are in the midst of a hostile totalitarian coup of a scope barely imaginable.


No, it doesn't compute.  Not this time.

I agree; it does not compute.

I wrote on another thread that I am beginning to believe those 3 mil votes were cast and *disappeared*.  There were voting machinge "irregularities" all over the place, and that's just the start of the problem. 

There is no "chain of custody" for ballots -- how can there be if they are in a machine -- as in the old days.  There is no supervised counting at our polling places, ballots then locked up, and then transported by some of these same folks for delivery to a central collection location.

For a lot of these machines, there is no paper ballot backup at all.

I believe we've been snookered.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Glock32 on November 09, 2012, 02:59:19 PM
If we've been had it's only because we allow ourselves to be had. Why aren't people demanding accountability?  And I mean way before 2012. The process of choosing one's representatives is at the very core of our supposed system of government, it's what puts the democratic in "democratic process".

We should not tolerate the existence of voting machines that have no physical registration for each vote cast on it. We are trusting that a bunch of 1s and 0s in computer memory are faithful recordings of a voter's choices. Yeah, right.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: LadyVirginia on November 09, 2012, 03:03:24 PM
And I mean way before 2012.

yep.  the train left the station along time ago
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 10, 2012, 09:47:49 AM
At the risk of taking heat...

Perhaps we are merely witnessing the logical culmination of the 19th, 24th and 26th amendments...giving the vote to women and the young and removing the poll tax made it so anyone (and I mean ANYONE) can vote.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/267101-gallup-2012-election-had-the-largest-gender-gap-in-history (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/267101-gallup-2012-election-had-the-largest-gender-gap-in-history)

Not saying it takes all the blame, but in an age when the number of lazy and stupid people is at all time highs...

Jus' sayin'...
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Pandora on November 10, 2012, 10:48:19 AM
At the risk of taking heat...

Perhaps we are merely witnessing the logical culmination of the 19th, 24th and 26th amendments...giving the vote to women and the young and removing the poll tax made it so anyone (and I mean ANYONE) can vote.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/267101-gallup-2012-election-had-the-largest-gender-gap-in-history (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/267101-gallup-2012-election-had-the-largest-gender-gap-in-history)

Not saying it takes all the blame, but in an age when the number of lazy and stupid people is at all time highs...

Jus' sayin'...

No heat coming at you from this quarter; I agree.  Women who vote often negate the votes of their husbands and vice versa; plus, it's another incentive to not form families and stay single.

As far as the lazy and stupid, is it not infuriating that an unmarried/divorced mother of two living off the dole get to vote?!
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 10, 2012, 12:24:16 PM
At the risk of taking heat...

Perhaps we are merely witnessing the logical culmination of the 19th, 24th and 26th amendments...giving the vote to women and the young and removing the poll tax made it so anyone (and I mean ANYONE) can vote.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/267101-gallup-2012-election-had-the-largest-gender-gap-in-history (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/267101-gallup-2012-election-had-the-largest-gender-gap-in-history)

Not saying it takes all the blame, but in an age when the number of lazy and stupid people is at all time highs...

Jus' sayin'...

No heat coming at you from this quarter; I agree.  Women who vote often negate the votes of their husbands and vice versa; plus, it's another incentive to not form families and stay single.

As far as the lazy and stupid, is it not infuriating that an unmarried/divorced mother of two living off the dole get to vote?!

The Founders saw property owners as being the only essential electorate that mattered the most, they knew that people without any skin-in-the-game would merely cause mischief and lo and behold, once again their timeless wisdom is proven right.  These fools and Free-sh*tters that put Stymie back in power have turned their back on God and the Founders, why should we associate with them in the least anymore?
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Pandora on November 10, 2012, 12:32:59 PM
I see no reason why we should, or must.  They don't want us anyway, for anything more than a pocket to pick.

The single/divorced woman is not really mateless; she's wed to the State, she's "Julia".
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Glock32 on November 10, 2012, 01:10:47 PM
Almost everything that once assured a merit-based society has been dismantled because of "racism". Even when explicitly race-based restrictions are removed, it is obvious that blacks are still disproportionately less likely to meet the other standards of merit. The dogma for the past 60 years has been that any measurement or qualification that results in blacks failing in disproportionate numbers is a prima facie evidence of racism, and therefore it's the standard itself that must be thrown out.

This simply is not going to change. That much is obvious by now. The only thing that can happen is for the inevitable failure brought on by lowering ourselves to the standards of Third World banana republics. And when that happens, the challenge will be preventing it from transpiring in a Rhodesia-to-Zimbabwe fashion.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 10, 2012, 01:35:44 PM
Just makes Alaska that much more attractive to me, know what I'm sayin'?
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Glock32 on November 10, 2012, 02:30:47 PM
My concern with Alaska is its proximity to Russia. Maybe the fact that it also has proximity to Canada would dissuade the Russians from aggression. Canada, whether it wants to be or not, is now the alpha of North America.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: John Florida on November 10, 2012, 08:49:43 PM
Just makes Alaska that much more attractive to me, know what I'm sayin'?

  Alaska isn't the answer trust me. Months of dark months of light, bitter cold everything wears out faster than hell. You have to be special to live there.Nothing is easy to get nothing survies the cold.

   A noirthern climate is OK but that's way cold.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 11, 2012, 11:55:37 AM
Idaho?  Lewiston looks nice.   ::whatgives::

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho)
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 11, 2012, 03:43:55 PM
More election blowback.

Applebee's & Papa Johns trashed in social media for threatening to cutback staff due to ObamaCare -

http://twitchy.com/2012/11/09/applebees-targeted-after-franchisee-mulls-hiring-freeze-in-response-to-obamacare/ (http://twitchy.com/2012/11/09/applebees-targeted-after-franchisee-mulls-hiring-freeze-in-response-to-obamacare/)

Apparently asshats think true liberty is found in social media, not the Constitution.  We are so porked.  This society needs a thorough scrubbing...

Meanwhile, West continues to fight the count -

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/11/florida-officials-order-partial-recount-in-tight-congressional-race-between-rep/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/11/florida-officials-order-partial-recount-in-tight-congressional-race-between-rep/)

I guess Allen is in a hury to go back to DC and have knives placed into his back by the likes of Boehner & Crew...I think I'd say screw it and take care of my family and let DC go to hell...
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: John Florida on November 11, 2012, 06:07:41 PM
Idaho?  Lewiston looks nice.   ::whatgives::

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho)

     Much better.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Weisshaupt on November 11, 2012, 09:30:39 PM
Just makes Alaska that much more attractive to me, know what I'm sayin'?

  Alaska isn't the answer trust me. Months of dark months of light, bitter cold everything wears out faster than hell. You have to be special to live there.Nothing is easy to get nothing survies the cold.

   A noirthern climate is OK but that's way cold.

The male to female ratio in Alaska is 20:1 - a woman went there looking for a husband figuring her odds were good, but when she got there she found out the goods were odd.

I couldn't take it myself. I have a fried looking seriously at Montana and South Dakota.  Unfortunately his job is here in Colorado.  I have no idea how you could prep and keep a farm that far away.  You either just quit and move, or don't do it.

Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Predator Don on November 11, 2012, 10:28:58 PM
I'm not sure anyone could " prep" enough to survive in Alaska, especially if attempting to get away from population areas.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Glock32 on November 11, 2012, 11:02:43 PM
We all like to think of Alaska as the last redoubt of the rugged individualist, and maybe it is for some special Grizzly Adams types, but as a state it is actually a huge recipient of Federal largesse.  That's the whole reason the contemptible Lisa Murkowski won the Senate race as a write-in after Joe Miller had beaten her fair and square. She ran an ad blitz telling people Joe Miller, as a fiscal conservative, would shut off the faucet of money from DC.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Weisshaupt on November 12, 2012, 01:07:04 AM
Ann on the election:

Quote
YOU READY TO GET SERIOUS NOW? YOU READY TO LISTEN?
POSTED BY ANN BARNHARDT - NOVEMBER 7, AD 2012 6:23 PM MST
Now do you understand why I had precious little to say about the "election"? The results of this election were determined in 2008, including the faux-opposition candidate. You people who have spent the last several months breathlessly agonizing over this, analyzing fake polls and deluding yourselves into believing that this was somehow a legitimate operation are just sad. You're like the people in Iraq who supported the opposition candidate to Saddam Hussein for all of those years. Yes, Saddam Hussein held "elections". Regularly. That is what happened here yesterday. We had a Saddam Hussein "election".
This can all be summed up in one simple sentence that I have been screaming from the rooftops ever since November of 2008:

These people are NEVER going to walk away.

The Republic was overthrown in a neo-Stalinist putsch four years ago. Stalinists don't walk away. Ever. Stalinists don't hold elections - they put on shows to delude the masses, which they consider to be vermin, into believing that they still have some say and some degree of freedom. And when even that gets tiresome for them, they start slaughtering people. By the tens of millions.

Note that all of the so-called pundits on the so-called "right" are avoiding the issue of massive voter fraud. They're all just spewing the same nonsense as ever:

The fight has just begun! This is when the real hard work begins! Yay! We'll show 'em in 2016! Yay!

Meanwhile, here in the land of reality, my inbox is filling with emails from people who are just now realizing that they are probably going to die an unnatural death, and probably within the next several years.

But it's cool, because Ace put up a recipe thread today. Spit on one's hands and hoist the black flag, indeed!

So, what to do now? I have several action items for you. These are all re-hash, but I'll put them together and re-post them because maybe, just maybe, you people are actually ready to listen and do something.

1. TAX STRIKE

If you are self-employed, stop paying quarterlies and DO NOT FILE next April. Boehner rolled over this morning and announced that the "Republicans" are gung-ho to raise taxes. They can only raise taxes on you if you pay taxes. Don't pay. DO NOT FILE.

IF YOU ARE NOT SELF-EMPLOYED and your employer withholds your taxes, all you have to do is increase THE NUMBER OF EXEMPTIONS YOU CLAIM. Exemptions are NOT just wife-and-kids. People who make large charitable donations kick up their exemptions, as do people with big mortgages. In theory, there is no maximum to the number of exemptions you can claim, but 9 is considered to be the "normal" maximum. Go to your human resources / payroll department tomorrow and tell them you want to increase your exemptions and thus decrease your withholding as much as possible. Then, next April, DO NOT FILE.

There is exactly ONE non-violent remedy left to you, and that is a tax strike. If you do not do this, you are guaranteeing, and I mean 1000% guaranteeing, that there will be a massive hot war and genocide in the United States within the next decade. Go find a good teenaged boy. Look into his eyes, and then understand that if we do not starve the Putsch Regime in Washington, that boy will almost certainly die in the war.

2. MEDIA STRIKE

If you do not now understand that the media is enemy number one of you, your family, this culture and of God; if you do not understand that the media is SATANIC, then you are either terminally stupid or you are hopelessly addicted to the satanic filth, agitporn and lies yourself. Pick up the phone, call the cable or satellite company and TURN THE sh*t OFF NOW.

Oh, and by the way, I found out how much you are paying for each cable channel. It is roughly $0.12 per month per channel. I saw this figure in a recent story about Algore's Stalinist propaganda channel, Current TV, which they are now trying to sell. Current TV goes into 60 million homes and has annual revenues from their cable and satellite royalties of $86 million. That is $0.12 per subscriber per month. So, you are offering that "pinch of incense" of $0.12 per month (at minimum) for every channel that is included in your cable or satellite package, including the sodomite channel, including MTV, including MSNBC, whether you watch it or not, and even if you block it on your cable box. Your money is still going to these outfits every month, and in doing so you proclaim that "caesar is lord". St. Polycarp, pray for us.

3. FINANCIAL MARKET STRIKE

Get out, get out, get out. Close every brokerage account without exception. When my economic presentation is posted within the next few days, you will clearly see why. Pull your bank accounts down to the bare minimum. Buy gold and silver. Keep some Federal Reserve Notes on hand. Pay off debt and hold clear title to as much as you possibly can. Start liquidating your stuff now if, like me, you are going to eventually lose your home, which should actually be in play for almost everyone except the very wealthy who don't need to generate any income (and thus pay no taxes) to survive and and simply live off of their existing wealth. Anyone who generates income and declares a tax strike should start preparing now to have their home and the contents of their home seized. Thus, get rid of everything now so that there is nothing for them to seize.

4. CANCEL YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE

Find cash-only doctors (general practitioners) operating in your area and establish a relationship with them now. Once you find a cash-only G.P., get a list of cash-only surgeons and surgery centers.

If you live anywhere near Oklahoma City, there is already an outstanding cash-only surgery center in your back yard. CLICK HERE TO BEHOLD THE FUTURE OF MEDICINE.

5. START THINKING AGGRESSIVELY AND OFFENSIVELY

I'll just give you an example so you know what I mean. I found out that when you don't file with the IRS, what they do is "subpoena" your bank statements from your bank, and then they simply go in and add up all of the credits in your bank account and IGNORE ALL OF THE DEBITS. No expenses are recognized whatsoever. Every dollar "in" is considered to be pure, fully-taxable income.

Sounds horrible, right? Especially if you are a business owner like me, right?

So, how do I make this work for me? Simple. I'm going to get some cash deposited into the bank in a quantity that I am prepared to lose, and then I am going to login to my online banking interface and sit here all blessed day and transfer that quantity of money between my bank accounts. I'm hoping to "generate" "income" in the form of credit entries on my bank statements into the eight figures.

In theory, if I had enough of a cash base, I could literally offset the entire national debt by "generating income" for the IRS in this way. But, I'll just target an eight-figure "taxable" income for 2012. Heh. See what I'm getting at here? You don't cower. You RUN AT THEM.

If those rat bastards want to play, I'm their huckleberry.

Say when.


she also has her new  multipart  part economic preso up.. apparenlty her last word on the subject
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 12, 2012, 07:11:50 AM
I think AP posted the video link here, haven't seen it yet though (dang work filters!) -

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,7154.0.html (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,7154.0.html)

Some ballsy stuff she propmotes, but if millions did it the system would be overwhelmed.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: AlanS on November 12, 2012, 01:50:39 PM
Quote
Start liquidating your stuff now if, like me, you are going to eventually lose your home, which should actually be in play for almost everyone except the very wealthy who don't need to generate any income (and thus pay no taxes) to survive and and simply live off of their existing wealth. Anyone who generates income and declares a tax strike should start preparing now to have their home and the contents of their home seized. Thus, get rid of everything now so that there is nothing for them to seize.

That sounds fine and dandy, but where is one supposed to hoard their gold and silver with no where to live? Going Galt seems kind of tough with no where to run.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 12, 2012, 02:20:36 PM
Quote
Start liquidating your stuff now if, like me, you are going to eventually lose your home, which should actually be in play for almost everyone except the very wealthy who don't need to generate any income (and thus pay no taxes) to survive and and simply live off of their existing wealth. Anyone who generates income and declares a tax strike should start preparing now to have their home and the contents of their home seized. Thus, get rid of everything now so that there is nothing for them to seize.

That sounds fine and dandy, but where is one supposed to hoard their gold and silver with no where to live? Going Galt seems kind of tough with no where to run.

Hmmm...

Cast it into bullets and donate it to the statists coming to rob you?  Bury it off in the woods ala Jesse James and retreive it later if you survive?  We appear to be missing the option, but I suspect it is a cache effort of some sort...
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Predator Don on November 12, 2012, 02:50:40 PM
Quote
Start liquidating your stuff now if, like me, you are going to eventually lose your home, which should actually be in play for almost everyone except the very wealthy who don't need to generate any income (and thus pay no taxes) to survive and and simply live off of their existing wealth. Anyone who generates income and declares a tax strike should start preparing now to have their home and the contents of their home seized. Thus, get rid of everything now so that there is nothing for them to seize.

That sounds fine and dandy, but where is one supposed to hoard their gold and silver with no where to live? Going Galt seems kind of tough with no where to run.


I like Ann, but most people will not be willing to sell off ( I'm not) and wait for uncle Sam to come after you. Plus, I own my home, although I do not qualify as "rich" or be able to live sans income. I could sell and get by a few years, but I just as soon defend my property than sell, bury my assets and then wait for the enevitable.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Weisshaupt on November 12, 2012, 02:56:50 PM
Quote
Start liquidating your stuff now if, like me, you are going to eventually lose your home, which should actually be in play for almost everyone except the very wealthy who don't need to generate any income (and thus pay no taxes) to survive and and simply live off of their existing wealth. Anyone who generates income and declares a tax strike should start preparing now to have their home and the contents of their home seized. Thus, get rid of everything now so that there is nothing for them to seize.

That sounds fine and dandy, but where is one supposed to hoard their gold and silver with no where to live? Going Galt seems kind of tough with no where to run.

Ann sees something noble in allowing them to make her penniless.  However, you can bury your gold pretty much anywhere  in a Nat forrest and no one will find it..
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Pandora on November 12, 2012, 03:44:31 PM
Quote
Start liquidating your stuff now if, like me, you are going to eventually lose your home, which should actually be in play for almost everyone except the very wealthy who don't need to generate any income (and thus pay no taxes) to survive and and simply live off of their existing wealth. Anyone who generates income and declares a tax strike should start preparing now to have their home and the contents of their home seized. Thus, get rid of everything now so that there is nothing for them to seize.

That sounds fine and dandy, but where is one supposed to hoard their gold and silver with no where to live? Going Galt seems kind of tough with no where to run.

Ann sees something noble in allowing them to make her penniless.  However, you can bury your gold pretty much anywhere  in a Nat forrest and no one will find it..


Having buried gold is not exactly penniless.  I *think* Ann sees some value in allowing them to think they made her penniless.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Weisshaupt on November 12, 2012, 05:22:43 PM
I like Ann, but most people will not be willing to sell off ( I'm not) and wait for uncle Sam to come after you. Plus, I own my home, although I do not qualify as "rich" or be able to live sans income. I could sell and get by a few years, but I just as soon defend my property than sell, bury my assets and then wait for the enevitable.

Yeah, I won't sell off either, and I would rather fight to defend the defensible.  Ann I think is running early on this.. The Tax protest will happen natrually as they try to take more and more. Less and less will be made. Its that simple..
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: AlanS on November 12, 2012, 05:31:52 PM
Quote
Start liquidating your stuff now if, like me, you are going to eventually lose your home, which should actually be in play for almost everyone except the very wealthy who don't need to generate any income (and thus pay no taxes) to survive and and simply live off of their existing wealth. Anyone who generates income and declares a tax strike should start preparing now to have their home and the contents of their home seized. Thus, get rid of everything now so that there is nothing for them to seize.

That sounds fine and dandy, but where is one supposed to hoard their gold and silver with no where to live? Going Galt seems kind of tough with no where to run.

Ann sees something noble in allowing them to make her penniless.  However, you can bury your gold pretty much anywhere  in a Nat forrest and no one will find it..


Until they break out the drones and start tagging along.

I'm with the majority. My house is paid for, I'm not going anywhere. I'm trying to make our area as self sufficient as possible. I now have a tractor and acreage, my next purchase will be a pickup sans computer that I (or any other dummy) can work on. Old skool rocks!! ::cool::
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 12, 2012, 06:02:54 PM

Same here, I was relieved when I closed on the city place
and after the election doubly.  And I like my stuff.

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3569/3325580248_e51708a118_z.jpg)

Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 12, 2012, 06:24:05 PM
Yeah like I said earlier Ann's approach only works if millions do it, if they don't...

I am halfway through my mortgage, it's debatable what comes first - paying it off or having it turn to crap when everything hits the fan...but the BOL is paid for, so...

Nah nah nah nah nah!  Pass that "no tresspassing' sign at your own risk!   ;)
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: John Florida on November 12, 2012, 06:47:06 PM
Quote
Start liquidating your stuff now if, like me, you are going to eventually lose your home, which should actually be in play for almost everyone except the very wealthy who don't need to generate any income (and thus pay no taxes) to survive and and simply live off of their existing wealth. Anyone who generates income and declares a tax strike should start preparing now to have their home and the contents of their home seized. Thus, get rid of everything now so that there is nothing for them to seize.

That sounds fine and dandy, but where is one supposed to hoard their gold and silver with no where to live? Going Galt seems kind of tough with no where to run.

Ann sees something noble in allowing them to make her penniless.  However, you can bury your gold pretty much anywhere  in a Nat forrest and no one will find it..


Until they break out the drones and start tagging along.

I'm with the majority. My house is paid for, I'm not going anywhere. I'm trying to make our area as self sufficient as possible. I now have a tractor and acreage, my next purchase will be a pickup sans computer that I (or any other dummy) can work on. Old skool rocks!! ::cool::

 Or get your hands on an older unit and knock it back to the 60s without and computer in it at all.Old school engine and transmissions aren't that hard to come up with.But if you can find on a standard trans would have benefits.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: LadyVirginia on November 13, 2012, 09:57:08 AM
Quote
Lessons from the 2012 election

some people don't learn

My daughter has two friends who put up pictures on their FB celebrating BO's win. 

One is Jewish.  She even went so far as to make a wallpaper with pictures of the guy.  She's in one picture with a big, fat grin holding  a Forward! sign.
My daughter asked what's wrong with her?  She's Jewish doesn't she understand....?  I said Liberal first, Jewish second.  No, American Jews thinks being liberal is being Jewish. And I suspect that more than a few don't like the Christian aspects that appear in the republican side.

The other is black and Catholic. Crazy excited would describe her reaction to his win.  My answer to this?  She voted based on race.  She converted from Baptist a few years ago and is quite proud of her preacher grandfather.  I don't question her desire or reason to convert but seems to me you take the whole package  when you convert in this day and age. It's not like she didn't know when she joined the Catholic church what she was joining.  It seems to me that race trumped faith.



Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 13, 2012, 10:20:02 AM

(http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/exitpoll-1.png)

The OTW demographic is interesting.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Glock32 on November 13, 2012, 10:42:03 AM
Quote
The other is black and Catholic. Crazy excited would describe her reaction to his win.  My answer to this?  She voted based on race.  She converted from Baptist a few years ago and is quite proud of her preacher grandfather.  I don't question her desire or reason to convert but seems to me you take the whole package  when you convert in this day and age. It's not like she didn't know when she joined the Catholic church what she was joining.  It seems to me that race trumped faith.

Barnhardt refers to these people as "ethnic Catholics", which is a pretty clever borrowing of the term "ethnic Jew" (which apparently describes your daughter's other friend).

Look at the chart CO posted.  Among Catholics, the majority still voted for Obama.  Among Latino Catholics, it was 75% for Obama.  Hispanics are supposedly this very religious, conservative group, but they just voted for a man who has ordered their Church and every other Christian Church to violate their most fundamental beliefs. They did this because "Santa Claus" will win any popularity contest.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 13, 2012, 11:18:42 AM
Lots of Free Shyt types pretending not to covet thy neighbor's stuff, eh?

 ::cussing::  'em!

 ::rockets::
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Predator Don on November 13, 2012, 12:42:22 PM

(http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/exitpoll-1.png)

The OTW demographic is interesting.



So.....if we can get the Jews and Catholics on board it would never be close. The two groups raped by this administration and they still vote for dems.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: LadyVirginia on November 13, 2012, 12:47:02 PM
another lesson not learned...

Quote
U.S. Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, and Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad led a bipartisan call today for Congress to approve a multi-year extension of the renewable energy production tax credit that they called critical to the wind energy industry.

The lame duck Congress “needs to pass at least the one-year extension,” Grassley said at a Washington news conference.

Uncertainty about the tax credit is hurting wind energy production and local communities where wind energy-related manufacturers are laying off workers, Branstad added.

“Thousands of jobs in the wind industry have already been impacted by the credit’s looming expiration, and thousands more are at risk,” Branstad and Oregon Gov. John Kitzhaber wrote to congressional leaders. “We urge you to take swift action to extend the (production tax credit) before the end of this congressional session.”
link (http://qctimes.com/news/state-and-regional/iowa/grassley-branstad-lead-call-for-wind-energy-tax-credit-extension/article_9f325116-2db5-11e2-ac8b-001a4bcf887a.html)
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 13, 2012, 12:54:29 PM

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/exitpoll-1.png (http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/exitpoll-1.png)

The OTW demographic is interesting.



So.....if we can get the Jews and Catholics on board it would never be close. The two groups raped by this administration and they still vote for dems.

I'm beginning to think secession would be easier achieved.
Romney received the white Catholic vote Obama the Hispanic Catholic.  The fault must be the Catholic Church not providing homogeneity of their teaching and the influx of voters whose cultural heritage is that of voting for tyrants and living in submission with no concept of themselves as individuals.  Again, this is the fault of the American Catholic Church not educating their parishioners that in America their rights are from God and not the State.

Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Glock32 on November 13, 2012, 01:02:29 PM
another lesson not learned...

Quote
U.S. Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, and Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad led a bipartisan call today for Congress to approve a multi-year extension of the renewable energy production tax credit that they called critical to the wind energy industry.

The lame duck Congress “needs to pass at least the one-year extension,” Grassley said at a Washington news conference.

Uncertainty about the tax credit is hurting wind energy production and local communities where wind energy-related manufacturers are laying off workers, Branstad added.

“Thousands of jobs in the wind industry have already been impacted by the credit’s looming expiration, and thousands more are at risk,” Branstad and Oregon Gov. John Kitzhaber wrote to congressional leaders. “We urge you to take swift action to extend the (production tax credit) before the end of this congressional session.”
link (http://qctimes.com/news/state-and-regional/iowa/grassley-branstad-lead-call-for-wind-energy-tax-credit-extension/article_9f325116-2db5-11e2-ac8b-001a4bcf887a.html)

The bolded portion summarizes everything that is wrong.  There is no wind industry.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Pandora on November 13, 2012, 01:13:18 PM
Nope, there isn't.  But there ARE wind subsidies and that's all that matters.

Seen rationally, Congressional salaries are wind subsidies as well.

Buncha rent-seeking whores, the whole lot of 'em.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: RickZ on November 13, 2012, 01:17:52 PM
Nope, there isn't.  But there ARE wind subsidies and that's all that matters.

Seen rationally, Congressional salaries are wind subsidies as well.

Buncha rent-seeking whores, the whole lot of 'em.

Boy, do I ever disagree with that last line.  Whores have a value (and a service) and are honest about their work but political rent-seeking whores have no such value; forget honesty.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Glock32 on November 13, 2012, 01:20:31 PM
Nope, there isn't.  But there ARE wind subsidies and that's all that matters.

Seen rationally, Congressional salaries are wind subsidies as well.

Buncha rent-seeking whores, the whole lot of 'em.

Right, and you can see their mindset on full display, as they lament the loss of jobs if the subsidies are not extended. And a perpetual motion machine will work too, as long as you give it an occasional push.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 13, 2012, 02:08:17 PM


political rent-seeking whores have no value
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: warpmine on November 14, 2012, 04:44:10 AM
another lesson not learned...

Quote
U.S. Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, and Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad led a bipartisan call today for Congress to approve a multi-year extension of the renewable energy production tax credit that they called critical to the wind energy industry.

The lame duck Congress “needs to pass at least the one-year extension,” Grassley said at a Washington news conference.

Uncertainty about the tax credit is hurting wind energy production and local communities where wind energy-related manufacturers are laying off workers, Branstad added.

“Thousands of jobs in the wind industry have already been impacted by the credit’s looming expiration, and thousands more are at risk,” Branstad and Oregon Gov. John Kitzhaber wrote to congressional leaders. “We urge you to take swift action to extend the (production tax credit) before the end of this congressional session.”
link (http://qctimes.com/news/state-and-regional/iowa/grassley-branstad-lead-call-for-wind-energy-tax-credit-extension/article_9f325116-2db5-11e2-ac8b-001a4bcf887a.html)
Never a bipartisan effort to end bat sh*t crazy money scheme is there? Ann Said it best, they're all responsible for the horrendous mess as a civilization, we're in. Perfect examples.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: warpmine on November 14, 2012, 04:46:37 AM
Nope, there isn't.  But there ARE wind subsidies and that's all that matters.

Seen rationally, Congressional salaries are wind subsidies as well.

Buncha rent-seeking whores, the whole lot of 'em.

Right, and you can see their mindset on full display, as they lament the loss of jobs if the subsidies are not extended. And a perpetual motion machine will work too, as long as you give it an occasional push.
...........off a cliff.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 14, 2012, 11:22:23 AM
Only butresses the "human zoo" theory IMO!

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/you-have-a-group-of-social-scientists-to-thank-for-obamas-re-election-read-why/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/you-have-a-group-of-social-scientists-to-thank-for-obamas-re-election-read-why/)

Dumb animals!  I have no doubt the Ruling Class clowns in the GOP will latch onto this bullsplatter!

 ::mooning::
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 14, 2012, 11:24:39 AM
 ::)

"his will"  "his partner Michael"

 ::)

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/florida-man-very-upset-about-the-election-results-kills-himself-writes-fk-obama-on-his-will/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/florida-man-very-upset-about-the-election-results-kills-himself-writes-fk-obama-on-his-will/)
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Pandora on November 14, 2012, 11:37:59 AM
Only butresses the "human zoo" theory IMO!

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/you-have-a-group-of-social-scientists-to-thank-for-obamas-re-election-read-why/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/you-have-a-group-of-social-scientists-to-thank-for-obamas-re-election-read-why/)

Dumb animals!  I have no doubt the Ruling Class clowns in the GOP will latch onto this bullsplatter!

 ::mooning::

Quote
This kind of approach trades on a human instinct to conform to social norms, psychologists say.

Yah, just what we need  ::)  but what we need first is a definition of "social norms" and who decides the definition.

Buncha lemmings.  This is why I don't have many friends.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 14, 2012, 11:52:49 AM

That's the great argument; who defines the social norm.

Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: benb61 on November 14, 2012, 03:04:53 PM
Only butresses the "human zoo" theory IMO!

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/you-have-a-group-of-social-scientists-to-thank-for-obamas-re-election-read-why/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/you-have-a-group-of-social-scientists-to-thank-for-obamas-re-election-read-why/)

Dumb animals!  I have no doubt the Ruling Class clowns in the GOP will latch onto this bullsplatter!

 ::mooning::

Quote
This kind of approach trades on a human instinct to conform to social norms, psychologists say.

Yah, just what we need  ::)  but what we need first is a definition of "social norms" and who decides the definition.

Buncha lemmings.  This is why I don't have many friends.

Same here!
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Weisshaupt on November 14, 2012, 04:26:49 PM
Quote
We’re the Liberals
Posted by Frank J. at 11:00 am
I’m starting to wonder if it’s time to shed the “conservative” label. We’re not conservatives — we’re radicals. We’re advocating ideals of freedom that no country — not even the U.S. — has ever fully embraced. It’s not something old we want, it’s something new that’s never quite existed before. Who are “conservative” are those trying to uphold the horrible status quo we have, i.e., those who voted for Obama and the Democrats in this last election. They’re not going anywhere new or grand, they’re just puttering around in this downward spiral we’re in.

Now the left have pretty much abandoned the word liberal as they basically turned it into a swear word by being associated with them. Let’s take it back. I always preferred the term “classical liberal” as we’re trying to change things based on not just any moron new idea but on the original liberal idea: freedom. And it is still very scary for most people. They can’t stand the idea of regular citizens having guns. They fear the idea of the economy not being controlled. And they’re terrified of having to fend for themselves and not having the false promises of government entitlements. But we have our radical, crazy idea that freedom is the best way, and we will continue to fight for it. When fearful people try to make us more like failing Europe, we will continue to pave out our own new and unique way.

We’re the liberals here, and it’s time we embraced that. - Frank -j @ IMAO (http://www.imao.us/index.php/2012/11/were-the-liberals/)
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Pandora on November 14, 2012, 05:44:54 PM
::)

"his will"  "his partner Michael"

 ::)

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/florida-man-very-upset-about-the-election-results-kills-himself-writes-fk-obama-on-his-will/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/florida-man-very-upset-about-the-election-results-kills-himself-writes-fk-obama-on-his-will/)

Unh hunh; first they took the word "gay" and made a travesty of it, now they've abominated the word "partner".  Anytime one refers now to "partner", as in "business partner", it will need those two words together or another form of clarification.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 15, 2012, 08:35:11 PM
Gee, why does West have backers now?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/15/gop-leaders-back-wests-call-recount/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/15/gop-leaders-back-wests-call-recount/)

The GOP is beyond dysfunctional...  ::)

How about avoiding problems on the front end? No, that'd be too principled and sensible... 
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 16, 2012, 07:23:13 AM
Mitt - Free sh*t party strategy worked and I was the wrong candidate to run because of RomneyCare made attacks on ObamaCare fall on deaf ears.

OK, he didn't say the latter but it is way to easy to infer!

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/leaked-audio-of-mitt-romney-explaining-to-donors-why-he-lost-election-and-guess-what-bill-clinton-told-him/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/leaked-audio-of-mitt-romney-explaining-to-donors-why-he-lost-election-and-guess-what-bill-clinton-told-him/)

Damn, Pubbies are awesome!

/
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 16, 2012, 11:28:33 AM

GOP backing West is a looking forward CYA move.
Expecting all else to be forgotten in 2 years
they will point to this as their serious support
for all conservatives.  Hey, GOP, KMA!

Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 16, 2012, 05:22:59 PM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83989.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83989.html)


“We didn’t win the argument, we didn’t even make the argument” throughout much of 2012, [Senator elect Ted] Cruz said.

But in the first debate, he argued, that changed.

“It was the one time we actually contested ideas, presented two viewpoints and directions for the country,” he said. “And then inevitably, there are these mandarins of politics, who give the voice: ‘Don’t show any contrasts. Don’t rock the boat.’  So by the third debate, I’m pretty certain Mitt Romney actually French-kissed Barack Obama .

“I have no doubt that there is a focus group somewhere [TPOS] of undecided Ohio voters who have been living in a cave for the last 30 years, who decided they liked that,” Cruz continued. “‘Don’t show any disagreement whatsoever with the president. Don’t rock the boat. Just be a nice guy.’”

Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 17, 2012, 09:45:21 AM
Sounds like Ted thinks the Ruling Class asshats running the GOP into the dirt are morons.

Well, there's one leader of the New Resistance, hopefully he survives what is coming and what needs to be done.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 19, 2012, 11:46:30 AM
West being told he's toast, it's over, give up...

http://tampa.cbslocal.com/2012/11/19/election-officials-miss-deadline-to-report-recount-results-in-allen-west-race/ (http://tampa.cbslocal.com/2012/11/19/election-officials-miss-deadline-to-report-recount-results-in-allen-west-race/)

Sucks when people refuse to accept corrupt elections...

/
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 19, 2012, 12:00:55 PM

What a farce.  Blustering, they mute the judges bad opinion by saying they will go ahead and do a recount which will commence Saturday.  Saturday they convene and after eating a three course takeout announce they did not finish the recount on-time and it's over.   We did our best folks now it's time to shut up and go home.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 19, 2012, 12:15:55 PM
Welcome to terminal Democracy.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 19, 2012, 05:26:56 PM

Caught a bit of Rush today and he was pushing hard on St. Luci and by neglect the GOP.  By the way, that supervisor
is unavailable today, she's in the hospital. (Is that the poboy equivalent of Rehab?)

Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: John Florida on November 19, 2012, 07:24:58 PM

What a farce.  Blustering, they mute the judges bad opinion by saying they will go ahead and do a recount which will commence Saturday.  Saturday they convene and after eating a three course takeout announce they did not finish the recount on-time and it's over.   We did our best folks now it's time to shut up and go home.

 Aparently he's fighting on. I"ve given up hope.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: AlanS on November 20, 2012, 10:12:31 AM
Aparently he's fighting on. I"ve given up hope.

I haven't entirely given up hope. I've figured out it'll get a LOT worse before it gets better.

1) Gold.
2) Silver.
3) Lead.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 20, 2012, 10:16:32 AM

It's a header on Drudge, Alan has thrown in the towel. 
Ten to one the Pubby's had a back room talk with him.

Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 20, 2012, 11:24:10 AM
Aparently he's fighting on. I"ve given up hope.

I haven't entirely given up hope. I've figured out it'll get a LOT worse before it gets better.

1) Gold.
2) Silver.
3) Lead.

The Triumvirate of Prepping!

Quickly followed up with water, food, fuel & shelter.

Life is gonna get a lot simpler for folks, not easier, just simpler.   ;)
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 20, 2012, 11:26:09 AM

It's a header on Drudge, Alan has thrown in the towel.  
Ten to one the Pubby's had a back room talk with him.



You know CO, putting this post right after AlanS' post made me double take!   ;D

Heard on radio too, West has packed it in.  Would not be surprised to learn the Pubbies told him to back down or risk zero support in the future...wait...they gave him zero support...the GOP is utterly useless...
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Pandora on November 20, 2012, 12:33:48 PM
The GOP managed to gerrymander two top Florida conservatives right out of Congress. (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/11/nice-work-gop-manages-to-gerrymander-two-top-florida-conservatives-right-out-of-congress/)

"Via ilgipper at Free Republic:

    The Florida House and Senate went overwhelmingly GOP in 2010…it was darn near a clean sweep. I believe the House went approximately 80/20 in our favor. The resulting redistricting not only screwed Allen West, but they also set up the primary battle between Sandy Adams and John Mica. Mica is the consummate DC insider. He’s the chair of the transportation committee, champion of high-speed rail spending, etc.

    Adams won her seat in 2010 over Suzan Kosmas who was literally one of those final ‘blue dog’ votes that helped pass Obamacare in the final vote. Adams would have had that seat locked up for as long as she wanted it, and she was a real grassroots champion. She was going after the EPA on their horrific regulations, etc.

    The FL GOP set up the ugly primary, where Mica had all the resources and took her out. We lost a true conservative for a guy with stage 4 beltway-itis.

    We lost two of the best people in congress due to GOP shenanigans… And a woman and black man on top of it. This stuff is maddening.

    As Levin put it last night, if these brilliant consultants like Steve Schmitt and Mike Murphy want to keep throwing conservatives under the bus, they are just asking for a third party. We are getting screwed by both parties."
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 20, 2012, 02:28:10 PM
GOP kicks ass, eh?  Too bad it is our ass they kicked to the curb.

The arrogant bastards probably won't even realize their mistakes...but they'll suffer all the same...
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: AmericanPatriot on November 20, 2012, 02:36:22 PM
I would rather West be there than the other guy.

However, he is not a stalwart of liberty.

NDAA?
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: ToddF on November 20, 2012, 03:07:27 PM
What they did to Allen West was purposeful.  Never forget it. 

 ::rockets::
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Pandora on November 20, 2012, 06:58:55 PM
I would rather West be there than the other guy.

However, he is not a stalwart of liberty.

NDAA?

Yup, I know.  Wasn't always crazy about what he did or said, as I wrote.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: John Florida on November 20, 2012, 09:49:02 PM
What they did to Allen West was purposeful.  Never forget it. 

 ::rockets::

 You damned skippy.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 23, 2012, 12:05:38 PM
Bitter irony, states and organizations who voted for and support the full Obama agenda suffering as a result of that which their Messiah deems necessary!

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/sandy-ravaged-new-jersey-families-face-6933-tax-hike-fiscal-cliff-stalemate (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/sandy-ravaged-new-jersey-families-face-6933-tax-hike-fiscal-cliff-stalemate)

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/21/Surprise-PA-College-Slashes-Hours-To-Avoid-Obamacare (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/21/Surprise-PA-College-Slashes-Hours-To-Avoid-Obamacare)

Hope it hurts but good!  OWN IT, bitches!

 ::mooning::
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 25, 2012, 11:19:08 AM
Rahmhole's blueprint for success, if you can stomach reading it...

  ::puke::

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/rahm-emanuel-its-time-to-rebuild-america/2012/11/23/178624bc-340a-11e2-bfd5-e202b6d7b501_print.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/rahm-emanuel-its-time-to-rebuild-america/2012/11/23/178624bc-340a-11e2-bfd5-e202b6d7b501_print.html)

Easy citizenship and more free shyt...

 ::mooning::

 ::rockets::
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Predator Don on November 25, 2012, 11:22:55 PM
Rahmhole's blueprint for success, if you can stomach reading it...

  ::puke::

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/rahm-emanuel-its-time-to-rebuild-america/2012/11/23/178624bc-340a-11e2-bfd5-e202b6d7b501_print.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/rahm-emanuel-its-time-to-rebuild-america/2012/11/23/178624bc-340a-11e2-bfd5-e202b6d7b501_print.html)

Easy citizenship and more free shyt...

 ::mooning::

 ::rockets::

Eh...child's play. Today I was greeted with the headline in the Tennesseean ( the Nashville rag) " conservative Christians out of mainstream" .....I'm sure you can find it online, if you have the stomach to read it.

Of course they found a few pastors who agree...and they twist gods word, but it is the America we live today.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 26, 2012, 06:57:31 AM
Rahmhole's blueprint for success, if you can stomach reading it...

  ::puke::

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/rahm-emanuel-its-time-to-rebuild-america/2012/11/23/178624bc-340a-11e2-bfd5-e202b6d7b501_print.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/rahm-emanuel-its-time-to-rebuild-america/2012/11/23/178624bc-340a-11e2-bfd5-e202b6d7b501_print.html)

Easy citizenship and more free shyt...

 ::mooning::

 ::rockets::

Eh...child's play. Today I was greeted with the headline in the Tennesseean ( the Nashville rag) " conservative Christians out of mainstream" .....I'm sure you can find it online, if you have the stomach to read it.

Of course they found a few pastors who agree...and they twist gods word, but it is the America we live today.

This must be it -

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20121125/NEWS06/311250052/Christian-right-falls-from-mainstream?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7C&gcheck=1&nclick_check=1 (http://www.tennessean.com/article/20121125/NEWS06/311250052/Christian-right-falls-from-mainstream?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7C&gcheck=1&nclick_check=1)

"America is no longer a Christian nation"

Where have I heard that bullsh*t before?    ::thinking::

Obviously this is a product of heathen city folk, let us hope they never roam outside their self-imposed cages, eh?!
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Predator Don on November 26, 2012, 07:45:34 AM
Rahmhole's blueprint for success, if you can stomach reading it...

  ::puke::

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/rahm-emanuel-its-time-to-rebuild-america/2012/11/23/178624bc-340a-11e2-bfd5-e202b6d7b501_print.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/rahm-emanuel-its-time-to-rebuild-america/2012/11/23/178624bc-340a-11e2-bfd5-e202b6d7b501_print.html)

Easy citizenship and more free shyt...

 ::mooning::

 ::rockets::

Eh...child's play. Today I was greeted with the headline in the Tennesseean ( the Nashville rag) " conservative Christians out of mainstream" .....I'm sure you can find it online, if you have the stomach to read it.

Of course they found a few pastors who agree...and they twist gods word, but it is the America we live today.

This must be it -

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20121125/NEWS06/311250052/Christian-right-falls-from-mainstream?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7C&gcheck=1&nclick_check=1 (http://www.tennessean.com/article/20121125/NEWS06/311250052/Christian-right-falls-from-mainstream?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7C&gcheck=1&nclick_check=1)

"America is no longer a Christian nation"

Where have I heard that bullsh*t before?    ::thinking::

Obviously this is a product of heathen city folk, let us hope they never roam outside their self-imposed cages, eh?!


Yea, that's it. Even in an area which votes almost 70 percent republican, the local rag is liberal.  If we don't attempt to take back some media, we are doomed.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 26, 2012, 09:59:03 AM
Rahmhole's blueprint for success, if you can stomach reading it...

  ::puke::

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/rahm-emanuel-its-time-to-rebuild-america/2012/11/23/178624bc-340a-11e2-bfd5-e202b6d7b501_print.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/rahm-emanuel-its-time-to-rebuild-america/2012/11/23/178624bc-340a-11e2-bfd5-e202b6d7b501_print.html)

Easy citizenship and more free shyt...

 ::mooning::

 ::rockets::

Time to activate the New Sons of Liberty network.  Tar?  Check.  Feathers?  Check.   Rail?  Check.  What time do we meet at their HQ?   ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on November 26, 2012, 11:42:16 AM
Look!  Pubbies grabbing ankles!  Unheard of!

/

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,7228.new.html (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,7228.new.html)
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on December 09, 2012, 10:10:54 AM
Those supposedly more values-oriented nominally Catholic went the Obama, but the heathen 20% helped put him over.

The 20% - the "nones".

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/12/09/166753248/add-this-group-to-obamas-winning-coalition-religiously-unaffiliated (http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/12/09/166753248/add-this-group-to-obamas-winning-coalition-religiously-unaffiliated)

Yeah, none.  As in how much sympathy will I have for their poor starving dying asses?  Yeah, none.  You morons made your bed too!
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: warpmine on December 09, 2012, 11:26:51 AM
Catholic in name only?

Church needs to get rid of this dead diseased matter even if it's leg or arm. Ann Barnhardt will back this up and until this happens the Church will be complicit in the condemning those immortal souls to hell by reason of standing by and saying nothing. The CHurch needs to wake up and lead the lost sheep back to the Light.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: AmericanPatriot on December 09, 2012, 12:42:30 PM
There are some conspiracy type people who say that the highest echelons of the catholic church have pledged allegiance to Satan and work for him.

I'm going to get a book called Petrus Romanus, the Final Pope.
It is based on the "prophecy" of a St Malachy who says there will only be 112 popes with the current one being #111
Apparently, his description is surprisingly accurate on all the popes up until now.

I like woo
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on December 09, 2012, 09:20:32 PM
Kind of reminds me of how the Church stood by and did nothing.  It fell to local clergy to help fight Fascism and save people.  It appears the money hitting the collection plate (no matter where it came from or why) is all that matters anymore.
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: Libertas on December 24, 2012, 11:31:29 AM
This is just...well, you read it...

http://www.france24.com/en/20121223-romney-didnt-want-run-president-son-says (http://www.france24.com/en/20121223-romney-didnt-want-run-president-son-says)

If he didn't want it then all he had to do was walk away...

What a load, even if right, what a load!
Title: Re: Lessons from the 2012 election
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 25, 2012, 12:37:43 AM

Lessons learned, Jan. 3, 2013, as I understand it, there will be an opportunity to elect a new Speaker of the House, Whip, and Majority Leader.  If the current three pustules occupying these positions are tossed out on their ear the Republican party may have a chance of survival.

Schadenfreude: Mr. Sensitive Guy Suffers Major Fail (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,7391.0.html)