It's About Liberty: A Conservative Forum
Topics => Politics/Legislation/Elections => Topic started by: Pandora on July 25, 2013, 01:08:57 PM
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Why would Republicans keep funding a law that hurts so many people and is so unpopular? (http://www.redstate.com/2013/07/25/defund-or-be-challenged/)
... Republicans in Congress have a choice this fall with the latest continuing resolution. They can choose to not include funding for the implementation of Obamacare. Negotiate everything, but make that their line in the sand. If the Democrats choose to shut down the government over an unpopular law that hurts people, it is their choice. Republicans should not fund Obamacare.
Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) proposed a bill this week to prohibit the funding of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/07/has-missouri-senator-roy-blunt-gone-wobbly-on-obamacare/)
... Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) is escalating the push by circulating a letter promising not to vote to fund the government after Sept. 30 if Obamacare is not fully defunded.
Sadly, the GOP leadership is already going wobbly on the idea.
Erick Erickson reported at RedState:
Here is what conservative activists should pay attention to. I have obtained the complete list of current signatures to Mike Lee’s letter. Likewise, Ted Cruz has legislation that would defund Obamacare. I have a list of the sponsors of that legislation. We should keep track to see who pulls their name off Mike Lee’s letter and who pulls their name off Ted Cruz’s bill. Additionally, several Senators are either on the letter or the bill, but not both. We should pressure them to be on both.
As it stands now, here is the list that I have confirmed and we should all be vigilant against Senate GOP Leadership pressure:
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I'll bet dollars to doughnuts they'll be more than a few disappointments here...and if they play the usual voting games (vote for one version and against another...the former possibly being a omnibus reconciliation bill) even more defections will occur. Useless, feckless...treasonous...this is the GOP we are accustomed to seeing.
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The Republican Branch of the American Political Establishment won't take a stand.
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The Republican Branch of the American Political Establishment won't take a stand.
That is exactly the scenario we are faced with, isn't it?
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http://hotair.com/archives/2013/07/26/sen-burr-block-a-continuing-resolution-without-obamacare-defunding-thats-the-dumbest-idea-ive-ever-heard/ (http://hotair.com/archives/2013/07/26/sen-burr-block-a-continuing-resolution-without-obamacare-defunding-thats-the-dumbest-idea-ive-ever-heard/)
Plus a list of others who also think it's a dumb idea.
This guy is supposed to be representing the people of North Carolina. With representation like this, we might as well have two Kay Hagans.
Damn these people.
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It is Burr who is proven to be one of the dumbest sumbiches on the planet...so deferential to dictatorial rule by Lord High Obama he is...
Screw him, if I was there this clown would be getting his ass kicked on the Capitol steps!
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The Republican Branch of the American Political Establishment won't take a stand.
They need a spine to stand,where they gonna get one of those?
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The Republican Branch of the American Political Establishment won't take a stand.
They need a spine to stand,where they gonna get one of those?
Since when did worms have spines? ???
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http://hotair.com/archives/2013/07/26/sen-burr-block-a-continuing-resolution-without-obamacare-defunding-thats-the-dumbest-idea-ive-ever-heard/ (http://hotair.com/archives/2013/07/26/sen-burr-block-a-continuing-resolution-without-obamacare-defunding-thats-the-dumbest-idea-ive-ever-heard/)
Plus a list of others who also think it's a dumb idea.
This guy is supposed to be representing the people of North Carolina. With representation like this, we might as well have two Kay Hagans.
Damn these people.
I had his number the minute I got his response to my inquiry about the then-imminent Feinstein gun ban. He has all the worst traits of the unprincipled, finger-in-the-wind politico.
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The Republican Branch of the American Political Establishment won't take a stand.
They need a spine to stand,where they gonna get one of those?
Since when did worms have spines? ???
They are all bottom feeders. Bastard grunts and porkfish. An interesting trait of bottomfeeders are their ability to bury their head in the sand.
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The Republican Branch of the American Political Establishment won't take a stand.
They need a spine to stand,where they gonna get one of those?
My steel-toed boot up their asses, that's where.
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http://hotair.com/archives/2013/07/26/sen-burr-block-a-continuing-resolution-without-obamacare-defunding-thats-the-dumbest-idea-ive-ever-heard/ (http://hotair.com/archives/2013/07/26/sen-burr-block-a-continuing-resolution-without-obamacare-defunding-thats-the-dumbest-idea-ive-ever-heard/)
Plus a list of others who also think it's a dumb idea.
This guy is supposed to be representing the people of North Carolina. With representation like this, we might as well have two Kay Hagans.
Damn these people.
I had his number the minute I got his response to my inquiry about the then-imminent Feinstein gun ban. He has all the worst traits of the unprincipled, finger-in-the-wind politico.
Mail him a bullet and target to paste upon his head. Be nice and ask him to wear it for special press op.
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Would rather hoist him by his privates on the Capitol flag pole.
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Carl Rove says its a bad idea to allow the shut down of government over this because it will give Obama a big stick to beat republicans with.
Not signing onto Lee or Cruz bills for that reason is kinda like not going to the movies cuz Peewie Herman might be there!!
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Something tells me Karl Rove will eventually be found dead as a result of a fatal auto-erotic asphyxiation accident.
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Will his corpse be found in a Bankok hotel room?
::praying::
::whoohoo::
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Will his corpse be found in a Bankok hotel room?
::praying::
::whoohoo::
Locale is irrelevant. Now that I think about it, finding his corpse is irrelevant.
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Will his corpse be found in a Bankok hotel room?
::praying::
::whoohoo::
Locale is irrelevant. Now that I think about it, finding his corpse is irrelevant.
::thumbsup::
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ObamaCare killing off at least 2% of FT workforce?
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/07/congratulations-democrats-obamacare-will-kill-off-at-least-2-of-us-full-time-workforce/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/07/congratulations-democrats-obamacare-will-kill-off-at-least-2-of-us-full-time-workforce/)
In the end...if this monstrosity is left in place 2% or anything remotely near it would be fortunate!!!
Add in the spawn that this will produce and the decimation will be total.
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That's okay, Libertas. Alan Grayson (Floridians re-elected that lunatic) and Jan Shakowksi have introduced a bill which would make it illegal for businesses to downgrade their employees to part-timers, so that'll fix things. ::facepalm::
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That's okay, Libertas. Alan Grayson (Floridians re-elected that lunatic) and Jan Shakowksi have introduced a bill which would make it illegal for businesses to downgrade their employees to part-timers, so that'll fix things. ::facepalm::
Uhh huh.
Are they also making it illegal to cease operations and say screw you?
And, additionally...even if anything is made illegal...wtf is gonna enforce it?
Moonbat effing nuts does not begin to explain these looters!!!
::gaah::
::laserkill::
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Are they also making it illegal to cease operations and say screw you?
In the name of the general welfare, to protect the people's security, to achieve full equality and total stability, it is decreed for the duration of the national emergency that:
Point One. All workers, wage earners and employees of any kind whatsoever shall henceforth be attached to their jobs and shall not leave nor be dismissed nor change employment, under penalty of a term in jail. The penalty shall be determined by the Unification Board, such Board to be appointed by the Bureau of Economic Planning and National Resources. All persons reaching the age of twenty-one shall report to the Unification Board, which shall assign them to where, in its opinion, their services will best serve the interests of the nation.
Point Two. All industrial, commercial, manufacturing and business establishments of any nature whatsoever shall henceforth remain in operation, and the owners of such establishments shall not quit nor leave nor retire, nor close, sell or transfer their business, under penalty of the nationalization of their establishment and of any and all of their property.
Point Three. All patents and copyrights, pertaining to any devices, inventions, formulas, processes and works of any nature whatsoever, shall be turned over to the nation as a patriotic emergency gift by means of Gift Certificates to be signed voluntarily by the owners of all such patents and copyrights. The Unification Board shall then license the use of such patents and copyrights to all applicants, equally and without discrimination, for the purpose of eliminating monopolistic practices, discarding obsolete products and making the best available to the whole nation. No trademarks, brand names or copyrighted titles shall be used. Every formerly patented product shall be known by a new name and sold by all manufacturers under the same name, such name to be selected by the Unification Board. All private trademarks and brand names are hereby abolished.
Point Four. No new devices, inventions, products, or goods of any nature whatsoever, not now on the market, shall be produced, invented, manufactured or sold after the date of this directive. The Office of Patents and Copyrights is hereby suspended.
Point Five. Every establishment, concern, corporation or person engaged in production of any nature whatsoever shall henceforth produce the same amount of goods per year as it, they or he produced during the Basic Year, no more and no less. The year to be known as the Basic or Yardstick Year is to be the year ending on the date of this directive. Over or under production shall be fined, such fines to be determined by the Unification Board.
Point Six. Every person of any age, sex, class or income, shall henceforth spend the same amount of money on the purchase of goods per year as he or she spent during the Basic Year, no more and no less. Over or under purchasing shall be fined, such fines to be determined by the Unification Board.
Point Seven. All wages, prices, salaries, dividends, profits, interest rates and forms of income of any nature whatsoever, shall be frozen at their present figures, as of the date of this directive.
Point Eight. All cases arising from and rules not specifically provided for in this directive, shall be settled and determined by the Unification Board, whose decisions will be final.[1]-Directive 10-289
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Yes, my bad, I was skipping a step...10-289 should preceed Order 66. Didn't mean to screw anybody out a few more fleeting moments of life... ::hat-tip::
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"Atlas Shrugged"?
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Yes. 10-289 is from Atlas, Order 66 from StarWars.
Different visions to the same ending...
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10 reasons why obamacare will ruin medical care and your life (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-01/guest-post-10-reasons-why-obamacare-going-ruin-your-medical-care-and-your-life)
Here are the ten most important points that I tell my patients:
1.Your private insurance premiums will cost more and more each year.
2.You will lose the choices and flexibility in health insurance policies that we have had available up until now.
3.As reimbursements continue to drop, fewer and fewer doctors will take Medicare (for those 65 and older) or Medicaid (people younger than 65).
4.Fewer doctors accepting Medicare and Medicaid causes an increase in wait times for appointments and a decrease in the numbers and types of specialists available on these plans. Consumers would be wise to line up their doctors now.
5.Studies from various organizations and states have consistently shown that Medicaid recipients have longer waits for medical care, fewer options for specialists, poorer medical outcomes, and die sooner after surgeries than people with no health insurance at all. Yet an increasing number of Americans will be forced into this second-class medical care.
6.As more people enter the taxpayer-funded plans (Medicare and Medicaid) instead of paying for private insurance, the costs to provide this increased medical care and medications will escalate, leading to higher taxes.
7.With no eligibility verifications in place, millions of people who are in the US illegally will be able to access taxpayer-funded medical services, making longer lines, longer wait times, and less money available for medical care for American citizens… unless taxes are increased even more.
8.Higher expenditures to provide medical services lead to rationing of medical care and treatment options to reduce costs. This is the mandated function of the Independent Payment Advisory Board: to cut costs by deciding which types of medical services to allow… or disallow.
If you are denied treatment, you have no appeal of IPAB decisions; you are simply out of luck, and possibly out of life. This is a radical departure from the appeals process required for all private health insurance plans. Further, the IPAB is accountable only to President Obama, and cannot be overridden by Congress or the courts. IPAB is designed to have the final word on your health.
9.Under current regulations, if medical care is denied by Medicare, then a patient is not allowed to pay cash to a Medicare-contracted physician or hospital or other health professional. Patients who need medical care that is denied under Medicare or Medicaid will find themselves having to either: 1) look for an independent physician or hospital (quite rare these days); or 2) go outside the USA for treatment.
10.Expect a loss of medical privacy. Beginning in 2014, if you participate in government health insurance, your health records will be sent to a centralized federal database, with or without your consent.
Oh, is that all?
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That's okay, Libertas. Alan Grayson (Floridians re-elected that lunatic) and Jan Shakowksi have introduced a bill which would make it illegal for businesses to downgrade their employees to part-timers, so that'll fix things. ::facepalm::
Just another example of how all these things are features, not bugs. Democrats acting like they got caught flatfooted by some supposed oversight but -- don't worry! -- they're going to fix it. They're going to fix it by unleashing another coercive measure. This is why most things are a win-win for socialists, even when they supposedly screw up they get to offer a correction in the form of more and more government.
Once you start down the path of taking from some and giving to others, the whole thing becomes an unstoppable avalanche of coercion. People find workarounds and other ways to avoid this or that diktat, so they clamp down on that with more coercion. A managed economy is nothing else but a managed population.
God, these people.
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God, these people.
I know, I swear, I know.
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That's okay, Libertas. Alan Grayson (Floridians re-elected that lunatic) and Jan Shakowksi have introduced a bill which would make it illegal for businesses to downgrade their employees to part-timers, so that'll fix things. ::facepalm::
Gee, I can't believe it took them so long to think of that.
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That's okay, Libertas. Alan Grayson (Floridians re-elected that lunatic) and Jan Shakowksi have introduced a bill which would make it illegal for businesses to downgrade their employees to part-timers, so that'll fix things. ::facepalm::
Gee, I can't believe it took them so long to think of that.
That bill is DOA ands illegal as hell.
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That's okay, Libertas. Alan Grayson (Floridians re-elected that lunatic) and Jan Shakowksi have introduced a bill which would make it illegal for businesses to downgrade their employees to part-timers, so that'll fix things. ::facepalm::
Gee, I can't believe it took them so long to think of that.
That bill is DOA ands illegal as hell.
The Roman Emperor, I forgot which one, did the same thing and the penalty was enslavement or death. Are we there yet? FOr even suggesting this, they should be dragged into the streets and hacked to death.. ::cussing::
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It's a bullsh*t minority vote move. The low information voter will see it as making sense and not even know that it can't be done,It's another fundraiser.
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That's okay, Libertas. Alan Grayson (Floridians re-elected that lunatic) and Jan Shakowksi have introduced a bill which would make it illegal for businesses to downgrade their employees to part-timers, so that'll fix things. ::facepalm::
Gee, I can't believe it took them so long to think of that.
That bill is DOA ands illegal as hell.
I thought ACA was illegal as Hell and DOA too, look how that ended!
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Want to get even more pissed? OK, how about this - the Regime has graciously decided to exempt Congress and their staffers from ObamaCare that the rest of us peons will be FORCED to comply with!
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/07/usa-health-congress-idUSL1N0G820F20130807?feedType=RSS&feedName=rbssHealthcareNews&rpc=22 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/07/usa-health-congress-idUSL1N0G820F20130807?feedType=RSS&feedName=rbssHealthcareNews&rpc=22)
Any angry peasants ready to storm the Capitol?
Hello?
(crickets)
What, pray tell, will it take?
::gaah::
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Want to get even more pissed? OK, how about this - the Regime has graciously decided to exempt Congress and their staffers from ObamaCare that the rest of us peons will be FORCED to comply with!
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/07/usa-health-congress-idUSL1N0G820F20130807?feedType=RSS&feedName=rbssHealthcareNews&rpc=22 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/07/usa-health-congress-idUSL1N0G820F20130807?feedType=RSS&feedName=rbssHealthcareNews&rpc=22)
Any angry peasants ready to storm the Capitol?
Hello?
(crickets)
What, pray tell, will it take?
::gaah::
Elysium....... It's where they live.
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Want to get even more pissed? OK, how about this - the Regime has graciously decided to exempt Congress and their staffers from ObamaCare that the rest of us peons will be FORCED to comply with!
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/07/usa-health-congress-idUSL1N0G820F20130807?feedType=RSS&feedName=rbssHealthcareNews&rpc=22 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/07/usa-health-congress-idUSL1N0G820F20130807?feedType=RSS&feedName=rbssHealthcareNews&rpc=22)
Any angry peasants ready to storm the Capitol?
Hello?
(crickets)
What, pray tell, will it take?
::gaah::
Elysium....... It's where they live.
I thought it was Uranus.
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Want to get even more pissed? OK, how about this - the Regime has graciously decided to exempt Congress and their staffers from ObamaCare that the rest of us peons will be FORCED to comply with!
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/07/usa-health-congress-idUSL1N0G820F20130807?feedType=RSS&feedName=rbssHealthcareNews&rpc=22 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/07/usa-health-congress-idUSL1N0G820F20130807?feedType=RSS&feedName=rbssHealthcareNews&rpc=22)
Any angry peasants ready to storm the Capitol?
Hello?
(crickets)
What, pray tell, will it take?
::gaah::
Elysium....... It's where they live.
I thought it was Uranus.
It looks like Elysium....It smells like Uranus.
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Want to get even more pissed? OK, how about this - the Regime has graciously decided to exempt Congress and their staffers from ObamaCare that the rest of us peons will be FORCED to comply with!
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/07/usa-health-congress-idUSL1N0G820F20130807?feedType=RSS&feedName=rbssHealthcareNews&rpc=22 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/07/usa-health-congress-idUSL1N0G820F20130807?feedType=RSS&feedName=rbssHealthcareNews&rpc=22)
Any angry peasants ready to storm the Capitol?
Hello?
(crickets)
What, pray tell, will it take?
::gaah::
Elysium....... It's where they live.
I thought it was Uranus.
It looks like Elysium....It smells like Uranus.
::hysterical::
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Check and mate!
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Didn't catch this but anybody handing The Butthead his ass deserves high praise.
http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=198241 (http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=198241)
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Low-life rotten liar!
“This is no longer a political debate; this is what we call the law,” Sebelius told a group that includes Democrats and Republicans, elected officials, political appointees and bureaucrats. “It was passed and signed three years ago. It was upheld by the Supreme Court a year ago. The president was re-elected. This is the law of the land.”
http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2013/08/12/sebelius-its-not-too-late-for-states-to-get-on-board-with-obamacare/ (http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2013/08/12/sebelius-its-not-too-late-for-states-to-get-on-board-with-obamacare/)
Yeah, the Ermächtigungsgesetz (Enabling Act of 1933) was the fircken law of the land too, you twisted hag, how did that work out for Germany and millions of people around the globe?
::gaah::
I spit on your law!
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Didn't catch this but anybody handing The Butthead his ass deserves high praise.
http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=198241 (http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=198241)
I liked this comment:
Rove is an elitist prick. He views us “common folk” with total, unhidden disdain.
In Green Bay they name streets after winning coaches. When this is over I believe there will be a lamp post with his name on it…
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Can't argue with that. And, he won't be lonely.
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Speaker John Boehner strongly hinted on a conference call with rank-and-file House Republicans that the upcoming continuing resolution will not be a do-or-die fight over Obamacare spending.
“Our intent is to move quickly on a short-term continuing resolution [CR] that keeps the government running and maintains current sequester spending levels,” Boehner told members, according to a person on the call.
While Boehner did not explicitly rule out using the CR for an Obamacare fight, other sources on the call said it was clear he preferred not to use the spending bill to draw a line in the sand. “He didn’t rule it out, but indicated to members that defund through CR is not the best strategy,” a second source said. Beyond the CR, in November or December, lies a needed debt-ceiling increase that the House GOP has long planned to use as leverage.
http://nationalreview.com/corner/356518/boehner-plans-short-term-cr-jonathan-strong (http://nationalreview.com/corner/356518/boehner-plans-short-term-cr-jonathan-strong)
Yeah, not the time to draw a line in the sand; not the hill to die on. Next hill coming up ........
Son of a BITCH!
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(http://drawception.com/pub/panels/2012/11-23/Fj4Ew33YDX-4.png)
(http://th07.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2012/241/3/1/hanging_carrot_by_aidasechem-d5ctr6q.jpg)
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They have no intention of seriously trying to stop Obamacare.
We're stuck with it.
I really hate John Boehner and my rep Mike Kelly
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I thought Republicans already surrendered the language, in that not funding a single program = shutting down government?
::thinking::
Oops, there's a page two. Read the entire thread before posting. ::hysterical::
But yes, I'm pissed the Republicans surrendered. French are "men" compared to Republicans, today.
The party really needs to die a decisive death in 2014. I am all 3rd party, as none of what I have to vote for will be the ones to do what it takes to save us.
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I think we should be sending money to the Dem running against BONER and dump him that way. In the end it can't be any worse that what we have now.
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Yeah...the CR is such a swell deal...I keep wondering where Obama keeps getting the funding for all the batsh*t crazy sh*t he comes up with...and between the frozen debt limit (cough!), the tacit approval of extra-constitutional executive decrees (cough!) and continual ankle-grabbing by the Pubbies (turn your head and cough!)...I wonder why I even bother wondering any more...?
Nice pics G, having a hard time choosing which one I like better...
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I think we should be sending money to the Dem running against BONER and dump him that way. In the end it can't be any worse that what we have now.
Agreed 100% with you JF.
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(http://www.americanthinker.com/cartoons/assets_c/2013/08/oboehner1-thumb-180xauto-3815.jpg)
H/T American Thinker
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Disturbing pic, but accurate...instead of making Obama & the Dem's eat ObamaCare Boner and the Pubbies are stumbling over themselves to keep it alive...that is truly disturbing.
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Disturbing pic, but accurate...instead of making Obama & the Dem's eat ObamaCare Boner and the Pubbies are stumbling over themselves to keep it alive...that is truly disturbing.
Needs a tear or two, fake or not oh and a fly on his lip cause we all know, horse sh*t demands flies.
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Lips need more purple too.
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Tough crowd.