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Title: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Pandora on December 02, 2012, 12:38:54 PM
Charles Krauthammer calls for it. (http://ace.mu.nu/archives/335347.php)

"It's not just a bad deal, this is really an insulting deal. What Geithner offered ....  This idea -- there are not only no cuts in this, there's an increase in spending with a new stimulus. I mean, this is almost unheard of.

Also proposed is to do away with the Debt Ceiling altogether.

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The Walk Away/Let It Burn option is growing on people. One cautionary note, though: This will provoke a serious constitutional crisis and may undo the Republic. So a soft Let it Burn could turn into a genuine collapse of the Republic.

Obama is a tyrant. If Republicans do not lift the debt ceiling, it is perfectly obvious what he will do, as he's argued for it before: Like Putin, he will begin unilaterally asserting power he doesn't have.

And what will be the recourse? Court, I suppose. Impeachment, sure, but Democrats will block conviction. So whether or not the President can suddenly assert sweeping power over the purse -- sweeping aside the last real check on his power granted to the House of Representatives -- will depend on the vote of Justice Go Along to Get Along Roberts.

Just something to keep in mind. Tyrants are always looking for pretexts to rule without any check.

Republic?  ::snort::  WHAT Republic?
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Pandora on December 02, 2012, 01:05:49 PM
The Ohio Republican said he told Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner “you can’t be serious,” when the lead White House negotiator presented the plan to GOP congressional leaders last week. (http://thehill.com/video/house/270471-boehner-flabbergasted-by-geithner-proposal)

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He called the administration proposal that included $1.6 trillion in tax increases, $400 billion in unspecified tax cuts and a bevy of additional stimulus spending, “nonsense.”

... charging the White House with proposing more in new spending than they have offered in upfront cuts to GOP leaders.

The White House “has responded with virtually nothing, they’ve actually asked for more revenue than they’ve been asking for the whole time,” Boehner said.

“At the end of the year, they wanted to extend unemployment benefits, they wanted a new stimulus program for infrastructure, they wanted to extend some other tax breaks and all of this new stimulus spending would literally be more than the spending cuts that he was willing to put on the table,” Boehner added.

... “What we did is put forward a very comprehensive, very carefully designed mix of savings and tax rates to help us put us back on a path to stabilizing our debt, fixing our debt and living within our means.”

Geithner instead sought to put pressure on GOP lawmakers to accept tax rate increases on the wealthy. “There's not going to be an agreement without rates going up,” he said.

I see what they're doing here, what the Left always does; instead of shrinking away when they meet opposition -- like the Republicans usually do -- they're pouring it on.  They retreat not an inch, they increase their demands.

Walk away.  Let it burn.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Pandora on December 02, 2012, 01:11:48 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/why-obama-pushing-stimulus-fiscal-cliff-deal-video-033547060.html (http://news.yahoo.com/why-obama-pushing-stimulus-fiscal-cliff-deal-video-033547060.html)

Why does Obongo want yet *another* "stimulus"?

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The argument in favor of such stimulus? The tax measures, at least, could minimize the drag on the economy from Mr. Obama's proposed tax increases on the wealthy.

“The increases in the top two income tax brackets would put a drag on consumption, so I think, from the Obama point of view, the spending or tax cuts are designed to offset that drag to consumption,” says Michael Brown, an economist at Wells Fargo Securities in Charlotte, N.C.

Spending.  Spending, spending.  Spendingspendingspendingspending .... to infinity and beyooooooooooond.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 02, 2012, 01:51:37 PM

If Republicans walk they will walk in support of the Constitution.  If they do not walk the Constitution is surrendered.  Walking will draw a clear line between the Democrats and the Republicans.  That will a good and clear story to tell.  Americans will understand the choice.

Let it burn. Long live the Republic.
 
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: John Florida on December 02, 2012, 02:27:17 PM
   Grab a beer and watch it burn and enjoy it.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on December 02, 2012, 04:15:13 PM
The script is already written, there will be agreement to punt into the new congress, the new unencumbered congress will basically bend over and grab its ankles settling for a deal that gives the dem's 99% of what they want and the Pubbies 1% of what they want (which isn't worth a damn) and Boehner & McConnell will hail it as the only option available to them blah blah blah...

They will not walk, they will give and give generously...tis the season.

Too bad though, should let it burn and let all the automatic triggers hit.

Doesn't matter though, Obamessiah is going to raise the debt ceiling by dictate, his spending authority recognizes no controlling legal authority!
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Glock32 on December 02, 2012, 05:08:24 PM
It's all setting the stage for Order 66.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on December 02, 2012, 05:25:31 PM
The Great Jedi Purge [Order 66] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnipJVGX_3c#ws)

Yeah, in the end evil is defeated, too bad all those people have to die getting there though.

Oh well...
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: warpmine on December 02, 2012, 10:12:02 PM
In a sane world, Judah and his Maccabees would come in and slaughter them all. Happy Chanukah!
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 03, 2012, 12:33:43 AM

Andrew Jackson said the Maccabees was one of the world's greatest military books.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: AmericanPatriot on December 03, 2012, 12:48:56 AM
I doubt if our Pubbies have the nerve to walk away
Any talk at this point is posturing
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: ToddF on December 03, 2012, 10:16:57 AM
Anything short of these three options will not have my support.

A.  Yes, walk away.  I don't consider it the end of the world of our deficit is cut to $700 billion from $1.2 trillion.

B.  $1 tax increases for $10 spending cuts, my personal favorite.  REAL cuts as in NOW.  $100 billion tax increase, $1.2 trillion cut in spending, our budget is balanced.

C.  Simpson-Bowles baby.  Pass it.  Let the whining of the Pussy in Chief commence. 

All three of these ideas our Pussy in Chief have supported at one time or another, when demagoguing for the stupid.  Call his bluff.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 03, 2012, 10:56:17 AM

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    If every Arab in the Middle East laid down his weapon, there would be peace in the Middle East. If every Israeli laid down his (or her) weapon, Israel would be annihilated.

    Likewise, if government stopped all spending, the deficit problem would be solved. If government confiscated the gross annual income of every individual in the country making over $66,193, the deficit would destroy our country.

    In a sane world, politicians would cut every last dollar of government spending they could in order to bring financial order back to an entitlement-happy society. After government’s debilitating spending habits were slashed or restructured, only then would the conversation shift to taxes and revenue to make up the gap.

    Of course, this isn’t a sane world. It’s the world in which it’s Israel’s fault for every ill in Palestine and Republicans are evil and stupid for wanting to cut spending.

Link (http://www.economicnoise.com/2012/12/02/reality-has-consequences-2/)
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on December 03, 2012, 11:41:40 AM
Frankly My Dear, I Don't Give a Damn - Gone with the Wind (6/6) Movie CLIP (1939) HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ5ICXMC4xY#ws)

Clark Gable - Portraying the American People

Vivien Leigh - Portraying useless politicians.

!
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: LadyVirginia on December 03, 2012, 03:19:26 PM
walk away?

I wish


won't happen

Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: radioman on December 03, 2012, 04:25:44 PM
Ok here is what we need to do:

Let the repubs make their offer
Let the demos make their offer
Submit both offers to an arbiter
Designate Obama as the arbiter.
Done deal.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: AlanS on December 03, 2012, 06:33:08 PM
$100 billion tax increase......

F*&^ that. The working (productive) people are taxed out the ass already. Revenue is NOT the problem. Spending IS.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Predator Don on December 03, 2012, 07:10:56 PM
The only avenue for obama to gut our military is to allow us to fall off the cliff. He wants it, he wants the extra taxes and he wants more stimulas to pass on to our kids so he can kick the can down the road.

Its why the libs made such a idiotic offer....because if they didn't, they are afraid boehner will cave. It's perfect for the libs....Boehner doesn't cave and the cuts are automatic and down goes our military.....Boehner caves and the consolation prize id 1.6 trillion in taxes.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: ChrstnHsbndFthr on December 03, 2012, 07:33:14 PM
Let it burn, but make sure everyone knows, far and wide, who lit the match. All we could do was step away and let them take responsibility for the fire they have demanded.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Glock32 on December 03, 2012, 07:34:56 PM
We're at a point where we have no real choice but to let things fall apart, and even then the probability of success is not great. Fever is one of the main symptoms people seek to treat when they are sick, yet it actually empowers the immune system. A fever is the body's attempt to raise its temperature to a point where infectious organisms become weakened, while its own immune system becomes more efficient at higher temperature. So unless it is extreme, reducing a fever might actually be counterproductive at eliminating sickness.

I can't really look at our situation as a civilization much differently.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on December 03, 2012, 09:06:36 PM
Pubbies will get blamed no matter what, they know it and yet they'll still screw this up somehow. They should let the triggers hit and then in the new Congress submit a bill restoring military spending and tax cuts and tell Obama to choke on to on Reid to stuff it! But that's a fantasy scenario for the moron party!
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: LadyVirginia on December 03, 2012, 10:48:15 PM
most of the people out "there" aren't going to believe there's a problem because these guys keep kicking the can away...they hear about some financial troubles and then in the nick of time it's solved!!


Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on December 04, 2012, 06:55:53 AM
Plus, things are not painful enough for people, once the full effects of progressive ideology hits them hard in the face...well, many will still look for a handout...but the handouts are diminishing with each passing second...
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Pandora on December 04, 2012, 08:15:06 AM
Last evening, Levin imparted some useful inside-baseball about the House and Weepy Boehner's shenanigans there.  Apparently, when dealing with his fellow House members, particularly the Freshman, he's a regular bullying badass -- unlike when he's DEALING with Obongo.

He's and his Lieutenants (Cantor et al.) have kicked off at least three staunch conservatives from the 1st and 2nd tier committees because they were resisting his desire to deal cave; Levin named one of them who has no committee assignment at all for next year.

This guy is a huge problem, moreso than we knew.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Glock32 on December 04, 2012, 10:01:41 AM
And he is Speaker only because of the Tea Party people he now kneecaps whenever possible.  Oh, but let's continue to work from within!  Boehner needs to go. The ideal way would be in a primary challenge, but he needs to go even if it means losing to his Dem challenger.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on December 04, 2012, 11:11:13 AM
Electing that crap back in as Speaker in the new Congress will be yet another sign that the GOP is fatally unrecoverable.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: TeachX3 on December 04, 2012, 11:21:16 AM
We're at a point where we have no real choice but to let things fall apart, and even then the probability of success is not great. Fever is one of the main symptoms people seek to treat when they are sick, yet it actually empowers the immune system. A fever is the body's attempt to raise its temperature to a point where infectious organisms become weakened, while its own immune system becomes more efficient at higher temperature. So unless it is extreme, reducing a fever might actually be counterproductive at eliminating sickness.

I can't really look at our situation as a civilization much differently.

What an absolutely fantastic comment, agreed!
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 04, 2012, 11:24:04 AM

("Electing that crap back in as Speaker in the new Congress will be yet another sign that the GOP is fatally unrecoverable.")³

Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Pandora on December 04, 2012, 11:53:10 AM
HotAir (http://hotair.com/archives/2012/12/04/conservative-purge-in-the-house-republican-caucus/) has it:

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Speaker John A. Boehner initiated today a small purge of rebellious Republicans — mostly conservatives — from prominent committees; it’s the latest instance of the Ohio Republican’s clamping down on his fractious conference.

    The decisions were made by the GOP Steering Committee at a Monday meeting, which reviewed a spreadsheet listing each GOP lawmaker and how often he or she had voted with leadership, three sources said.

    Reps. David Schweikert of Arizona and Walter Jones of North Carolina were booted from the Financial Services Committee. Reps. Justin Amash of Michigan and Tim Huelskamp of Kansas were removed from the Budget Committee.

    According to a source, Schweikert was told that he was ousted in part because his “votes were not in lockstep with leadership.”


The correlation to dissent may not cover the reshuffle entire, Strong reports.  For instance, Schweikart’s problem might be less his votes and more in the way he campaigned against Ben Quayle:

    Schweikert defeated Rep. Ben Quayle in a contentious GOP primary and was not regarded as leadership’s first choice in that race. Schweikert’s tactics in the rough-and-tumble primary, according to several sources, rubbed leaders the wrong way.

    A GOP lobbyist emailed about the Schweikert situation, “Wow. Don’t F w Jeb.” The reference was apparently to incoming Financial Services Chairman Jeb Hensarling of Texas, the departing GOP Conference chairman.


When analyzing assignment changes, don’t entirely discount the personal over the political.  The fiscal cliff could be coincidental to this {Sure, Ed - P.} as this is the normal time for reassessing committee assignments for the upcoming session of Congress.  These committee spots are given out for many reasons, and policy fealty is only one of them.  Anyone who has seen politics up close at any level learns quickly that the systems are set up to reward and punish based on the whims of those elected to leadership.

... However, the changes certainly appear to prepare Boehner to deliver on any agreement he makes with Harry Reid and Barack Obama.  That came up as an issue in the summer of 2011, when a back-bench revolt began to look likely as details of the “grand bargain” got leaked during the final days of the debt-limit crisis.  It signals that Boehner wants to have a carte blanche on negotiations this time around, and that his leadership appears ready to give it to him.

I'd like to give him something and it doesn't look anything like carte blanche.

This sonofabtch is negotiating with SCOaMF over how to confiscate and apportion MY PROPERTY.  Yes, I'm HOLLERING.  We have no representation in the Federal government today and Boehner is purging what little we might have had.

Rush is on the radio right now outlining and itemizing the new taxes on investment income due just to Obongocare -- it's looking like about 40% on the stocks and such profit -- and we haven't even gotten to the sell-out deal on income taxes that's coming thanks to Boehner and company.

Anybody still thinking this won't end up coming to blows?
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on December 04, 2012, 12:06:36 PM
Yes, I'd like to give him and his ilk the same thing!

BITS!

Molôn Labé!
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: ToddF on December 04, 2012, 12:24:05 PM
He's gotta have a clue that he's setting the House up for a historical defeat in 2014, doesn't he?
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Glock32 on December 04, 2012, 12:25:04 PM
Nobody ever said that every ornament in the tree has to be a D.  There's plenty of room for Rs as well.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Pandora on December 04, 2012, 12:27:26 PM
He's gotta have a clue that he's setting the House up for a historical defeat in 2014, doesn't he?

He doesn't CARE.  As long as keeps his seat, his salary, pension and perks, pffffft.  He's one of the ones that is most comfortable being in the minority, as long as he's got his bling, even if he can't strongarm the rest into voting him into leadership.

Look at Pelosi for the other-side-of-aisle comparison.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Pandora on December 04, 2012, 03:24:43 PM
Okay, CHF; here's your more evidence, and as for Walter Jones, it's over his usual bugaboo -- egregious defense spending:

"Conservative Republican Reps. Tim Huelskamp of Kansas and Justin Amash of Michigan hit back at Republican leadership on Tuesday, following their Monday removal from prominent committees, calling the move “petty” and “vindictive,” and accusing Speaker of the House John Boehner and his deputies of silencing independent conservative voices in preparation to steamroll a tax hike through Congress.

Huelskamp — who was removed from the Agriculture and Budget Committees — released a video on Friday declaring his intention to not vote for any tax increases and received notice of his removal on Monday, “one business day” later.

“I think there’s going to be an attempt to pass a tax increase through the House, in exchange for what?” he told a group reporters at the Heritage Foundation Tuesday afternoon. “This president doesn’t want to do entitlement reform, doesn’t want to cut spending… I think it makes very clear to conservatives that you’re about to get run over.”

The decision, he said, was “all behind closed doors” and was presented to him as based on a secret scorecard of “what was considered the right vote.”

Libertarian star Amash suggested that a willingness to put defense cuts on the table was behind his and Huelskamp’s removal from the Budget Committee, as well as Arizona Rep.  David Schweikert and North Carolina Rep. Walter Jones’ removal from the Financial Services Committee.

“I can tell you that to different degrees, Tim Huelskamp and even Walter Jones have taken positions on military spending that are a little more open to compromise on that issue — working with Democrats to try and find ways to reduce spending… I don’t know if that’s the common thread for sure, but it’s certainly true about all of us that we’re more open to that.”

“I think they [Republican leaders] are willing to raise taxes to avoid any defense cuts,” he charged, “and I think they’re willing to take any deals, even bad ones, to avoid defense cuts.”

Amash clarified that he is not for massive slashes in defense, but said that all things need to be considered in order to achieve a compromise in negotiations with Democrats.

“The amount of reform we are going to need in Medicare and Social Security is significant,” he said, “and we’re not going to get there unless we look like honest brokers.”

The decision to boot them from the committee, Huelskamp told reporters, “confirms most Americans’ deepest suspicions about Washington: It’s petty, it’s vindictive, and if you have any conservative principles, you will be punished… No good deed goes unpunished.”

“My constituents didn’t send me to vote for him [President Barack Obama] and they didn’t send me to vote for [Senate Majority Leader Harry] Reid or Mr. Boehner,” Huelskamp said.

Amash said that he had not even been informed of the decision yet, and only heard about it from the media.

“We haven’t even been told officially that we were removed from the Budget Committee,” Amash told reporters. “I had to read it in the newspaper… I haven’t received a single call from leadership, a single email… I think it’s pretty outrageous, frankly.”"

Read more; there's another whole page on the shenanigans: http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/04/purged-conservative-reps-boehner-planning-to-run-over-conservatives-vote-for-tax-hike/#ixzz2E7XJn8Ev (http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/04/purged-conservative-reps-boehner-planning-to-run-over-conservatives-vote-for-tax-hike/#ixzz2E7XJn8Ev)
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: John Florida on December 04, 2012, 06:29:30 PM
  Beck was right when he said that we had "Progressives on both sides"
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Pandora on December 04, 2012, 06:43:51 PM
Damn skippy.  And we knew it, too.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on December 05, 2012, 07:11:27 AM
Nobody ever said that every ornament in the tree has to be a D.  There's plenty of room for Rs as well.

Indeed!
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on December 05, 2012, 07:13:12 AM
Damn skippy.  And we knew it, too.

If the only way to stave off defense cuts is to accept more taxes then to Hell with them!  They (Obama & the Dem's) will still slash defense in order to spend on entitlements and porkulus like they always fricken do!

Eff it!  Cliff my ass!  Push them all over!!!
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: AmericanPatriot on December 05, 2012, 11:21:04 AM
Hopefully, a legitimate question, so don't spank me
It has been said that we spend more on defense than everyone else. Or something like that.
I know. I know. Some of the other country's numbers aren't included.

We have bases in a majority of the world's countries and fight endless wars with ridiculous rules of engagement.

The $800 toilet seat and $500 hammers

I would bet we could find some efficiencies that wouldn't hurt defense one bit.
Maybe Germany, Japan and Korea could pay for their own damn defense.

Also, I've seen it said that a lot of our adventurism is to keep the Saudis propped up
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Pandora on December 05, 2012, 11:29:39 AM
Hopefully, a legitimate question, so don't spank me
It has been said that we spend more on defense than everyone else. Or something like that.
I know. I know. Some of the other country's numbers aren't included.

We have bases in a majority of the world's countries and fight endless wars with ridiculous rules of engagement.

The $800 toilet seat and $500 hammers

I would bet we could find some efficiencies that wouldn't hurt defense one bit.
Maybe Germany, Japan and Korea could pay for their own damn defense.

Also, I've seen it said that a lot of our adventurism is to keep the Saudis propped up

Aw hell, AP; I agree with you.  On all of it.  I believe we don't need all the bases we have currently; they could be reduced to a few/several strategic locations and be done with it.

To the ROE, don't even get me started.   ::outrage::

As for the last in particular, if we could get ahold of our own damn oil, we could let somebody else pay to keep the Saudis in their own gold toilet appointments.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on December 05, 2012, 11:50:49 AM
Hopefully, a legitimate question, so don't spank me
It has been said that we spend more on defense than everyone else. Or something like that.
I know. I know. Some of the other country's numbers aren't included.

We have bases in a majority of the world's countries and fight endless wars with ridiculous rules of engagement.

The $800 toilet seat and $500 hammers

I would bet we could find some efficiencies that wouldn't hurt defense one bit.
Maybe Germany, Japan and Korea could pay for their own damn defense.

Also, I've seen it said that a lot of our adventurism is to keep the Saudis propped up

Aw hell, AP; I agree with you.  On all of it.  I believe we don't need all the bases we have currently; they could be reduced to a few/several strategic locations and be done with it.

To the ROE, don't even get me started.   ::outrage::

As for the last in particular, if we could get ahold of our own damn oil, we could let somebody else pay to keep the Saudis in their own gold toilet appointments.

Agree on all points.  Plus those comparative numbers are not comparative, the free ride Europe and others get via NATO and our presence there means more money for butter than guns for those clowns, time that free ride ends.  There is no need for NATO anymore, if we want (air) basing rights in England and Germany and (baval) basing rights in Spain & Italy, fine, lets lease it, but these obsolete organizations need to go.  Ashcanistan needs to be bailed on and Iraq can stand on their own (let the Saudi's fend off the Persian meddling there!).  The other things that would need to go to save money is the insane politics in the Pentagon and Congress in making defense expenditures (how, I dunno, a panel of retired general officers and qualified industry analysts review all submissions and fit it to authorized spending levels?) and competitive pricing, no more minority set-asides and other crony-capitalist BS!
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: LadyVirginia on December 05, 2012, 12:00:49 PM
Unfortunately, I think the military cuts won't be in $500 toilets or useless programs (for example, eco concerns are tracked in the military).  It will be in training and readiness and security.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on December 05, 2012, 12:07:36 PM
Unfortunately, I think the military cuts won't be in $500 toilets or useless programs (for example, eco concerns are tracked in the military).  It will be in training and readiness and security.


Yes.  But thanks for reminding me that there are costs to the social engineering and eco stuff too, savings aplenty if we dispense with that insanity too!
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Glock32 on December 05, 2012, 12:15:39 PM
I am at the point where I believe anything that weakens the US government must be a positive thing. If that means a weaker military? I hate to even be thinking that way, but yeah, maybe it is for the better. Nowadays I can't help but see the military and police as tools in Leviathan's arsenal...tools it will ultimately use against the citizenry.

Take armed drones for instance. That is one area of defense spending that will substantially increase regardless of overall cuts. It's something statists have fantasized about forever. A cheap, virtually invulnerable eye in the sky that can also eliminate human targets? They're becoming ubiquitous enough that pretty soon every square foot of this country will be under continuous surveillance, both visually and electronically.

 ::foilhathelicopter::
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 05, 2012, 12:25:21 PM
Hopefully, a legitimate question, so don't spank me
It has been said that we spend more on defense than everyone else. Or something like that.
I know. I know. Some of the other country's numbers aren't included.

We have bases in a majority of the world's countries and fight endless wars with ridiculous rules of engagement.

The $800 toilet seat and $500 hammers

I would bet we could find some efficiencies that wouldn't hurt defense one bit.
Maybe Germany, Japan and Korea could pay for their own damn defense.

Also, I've seen it said that a lot of our adventurism is to keep the Saudis propped up

Aw hell, AP; I agree with you.  On all of it.  I believe we don't need all the bases we have currently; they could be reduced to a few/several strategic locations and be done with it.

To the ROE, don't even get me started.   ::outrage::

As for the last in particular, if we could get ahold of our own damn oil, we could let somebody else pay to keep the Saudis in their own gold toilet appointments.

Agree on all points.  Plus those comparative numbers are not comparative, the free ride Europe and others get via NATO and our presence there means more money for butter than guns for those clowns, time that free ride ends.  There is no need for NATO anymore, if we want (air) basing rights in England and Germany and (baval) basing rights in Spain & Italy, fine, lets lease it, but these obsolete organizations need to go.  Ashcanistan needs to be bailed on and Iraq can stand on their own (let the Saudi's fend off the Persian meddling there!).  The other things that would need to go to save money is the insane politics in the Pentagon and Congress in making defense expenditures (how, I dunno, a panel of retired general officers and qualified industry analysts review all submissions and fit it to authorized spending levels?) and competitive pricing, no more minority set-asides and other crony-capitalist BS!

Yes to all.  What we have today is a "realpolitic" military, it's time to clean house.  And LV is correct, as in the community going broke, the politicians cry they are going to cut police and fire services first. 
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on December 05, 2012, 12:26:49 PM
In fact I fear the reduction will expedite the non-human elements, and the more immoral humans controlling deadly inanimate objects...the freedom and liberty of citizens will be threatened like never before.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 05, 2012, 06:49:18 PM

http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/05/conservative-group-launches-campaign-to-depose-boehner-from-speakership/ (http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/05/conservative-group-launches-campaign-to-depose-boehner-from-speakership/)
                                          ::praying::
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: John Florida on December 05, 2012, 07:19:05 PM

http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/05/conservative-group-launches-campaign-to-depose-boehner-from-speakership/ (http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/05/conservative-group-launches-campaign-to-depose-boehner-from-speakership/)
                                          ::praying::



  It would be nice to drop kick the stupid SOB back to where ever he came from.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Glock32 on December 05, 2012, 08:17:00 PM

http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/05/conservative-group-launches-campaign-to-depose-boehner-from-speakership/ (http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/05/conservative-group-launches-campaign-to-depose-boehner-from-speakership/)
                                          ::praying::



  It would be nice to drop kick the stupid SOB back to where ever he came from.

From the look of him, that would be Willy Wonka's chocolate factory.


(http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL2135/12119137/21603570/391587085.jpg)


Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: ChrstnHsbndFthr on December 06, 2012, 03:57:38 AM
My initial doubts arose from the inclusion of Walter Jones. I don't consider him all that conservative. Better than some, sure, but not so conservative to be included in a purge.  Yet, there is general agreement now that this is what happened. 

I support removing the Speaker.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Predator Don on December 06, 2012, 08:35:59 AM

http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/05/conservative-group-launches-campaign-to-depose-boehner-from-speakership/ (http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/05/conservative-group-launches-campaign-to-depose-boehner-from-speakership/)
                                          ::praying::



All it takes is 16 abstaining from voting?  Not going to happen. This is soddom and Gomorrah and the number could be negotiated down to two and it won't happen......there is no rightous legislating there.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Pandora on December 06, 2012, 08:48:18 AM
My initial doubts arose from the inclusion of Walter Jones. I don't consider him all that conservative. Better than some, sure, but not so conservative to be included in a purge.  Yet, there is general agreement now that this is what happened. 

I support removing the Speaker.

There is "general agreement" because those that have been purged were advised after the fact as to the why, thereby providing confirmation, and the why is just as it was said from the start.  And Walter Jones figures right in there, conservative or not, because he's been after military cuts for a long time.

So ......

Toldja.     Thhpppbbbbttttttttt.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 06, 2012, 01:40:38 PM

Is there one (1) voting Republican that pays attention to David Frum?  Isn't he one of those writers who is posted in bathrooms for Democrat amusement?  And RNC directors, please God, help us.

Former RNC Research Director: Will No One Rid Me of This Turbulent Tea Party?
—Ace
(http://ace.mu.nu/archives/335482.php)
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: IronDioPriest on December 06, 2012, 02:34:43 PM
What can the GOP hope to accomplish by sticking their thumb in the Tea Party eye besides irrelevance? The best they can hope for is a baseline going forward indicating exactly how irrelevant they are without a conservative electoral base.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Glock32 on December 06, 2012, 02:45:00 PM
What they want is a comfortable minority status. Just enough of a presence on Capitol Hill that Democrats will need their cooperation on certain major issues, but otherwise irrelevant. That's pretty much how it was for many years prior to the Reagan Revolution, and the old mandarins of the GOP have been doing everything to return to that mode.

I'm done with eating the GOP's sh*t-sandwich on the basis that theirs at least has sprinkles on it.



(http://omnicomics.com/spacemonkey/wp-content/uploads/turd-sprinkles.jpg)
No longer good enough.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: IronDioPriest on December 06, 2012, 03:15:46 PM
Criminy, I can smell that.

 ::barf::
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Pandora on December 06, 2012, 04:14:18 PM
What can the GOP hope to accomplish by sticking their thumb in the Tea Party eye besides irrelevance? The best they can hope for is a baseline going forward indicating exactly how irrelevant they are without a conservative electoral base.

I think they're looking to "irrelevant" us.  I think they think if they go full-on hispandering, we can be replaced.  Perhaps not easily at first, but the more "hispanics" they can import, pay or bribe with amnesty to vote for them, the less our votes will matter.

Slightly off topice, I heard on the "news" just today that Mexicans make up 55% of our illegal alien population, with those from other Latin American countries comprising another 20%.

So, 75% of our illegal alien colonization is "hispanic" and we're neither supposed to take note of that nor object under the pain of the racism accusation.

Reacquaint yourself with this piece (http://www.cis.org/Usurpation-Elites-People%27sWill), from which I took this sample:

.... "Republican lawmakers we spoke with knew that naturalized Latin American immigrants and their offspring vote mostly for the Democratic Party, but still most of them (all except five) were unambiguously in favor of amnesty and of continued mass immigration (at least from Mexico). This seemed paradoxical, and explaining their motivations was more challenging. However, while acknowledging that they may not now receive their votes, they believed that these immigrants are more malleable than the existing American: That with enough care, convincing, and "teaching," they could be converted, be grateful, and become dependent on them. Republicans seemed to idealize the patron-client relation with Hispanics as much as their Democratic competitors did. Curiously, three out of the five lawmakers that declared their opposition to amnesty and increased immigration (all Republicans), were from border states.

Also curiously, the Republican enthusiasm for increased immigration also was not so much about voting in the end, even with "converted" Latinos. Instead, these legislators seemingly believed that they could weaken the restraining and frustrating straightjacket devised by the Founding Fathers and abetted by American norms. In that idealized "new" United States, political uncertainty, demanding constituents, difficult elections, and accountability in general would "go away" after tinkering with the People, who have given lawmakers their privileges but who, like a Sword of Damocles, can also "unfairly" take them away. Hispanics would acquiesce and assist in the "natural progress" of these legislators to remain in power and increase the scope of that power. In this sense, Republicans and Democrats were similar.

While I can recall many accolades for the Mexican immigrants and for Mexican-Americans (one white congressman even gave me a "high five" when recalling that Californian Hispanics were headed for majority status), I remember few instances when a legislator spoke well of his or her white constituents. One even called them "rednecks," and apologized to us on their behalf for their incorrect attitude on immigration. Most of them seemed to advocate changing the ethnic composition of the United States as an end in itself. Jefferson and Madison would have perhaps understood why this is so—enthusiasm for mass immigration seems to be correlated with examples of undermining the "just and constitutional laws" they devised."
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on December 06, 2012, 08:49:00 PM
Doesn't matter how much candy they put on a turd, it's still a turd and should be flushed.  Let the flushing begin.  If they think they can live without us and more than make up the difference by pandering to unassimilating enclaves who will always go to the highest bidder (cough, Dem's!), then they are beyond insane.

GOP Klingons...

Let Them DIE!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Swvf3w6hcY4#)

"Let them die!"
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on December 06, 2012, 09:02:26 PM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/12/06/sen_rand_paul_we_should_let_dems_raise_taxes_and_then_let_them_own_it.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/12/06/sen_rand_paul_we_should_let_dems_raise_taxes_and_then_let_them_own_it.html)

Rand, Speaker Boner & Crew ain't that smart and no where near that disciplined!  These are Ruling Class buttknockers running the party cheerfully into Hell using tactics once reserved for Stalinists like Pelosi, as Levin so eloquently points out.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: warpmine on December 06, 2012, 09:11:50 PM
  Beck was right when he said that we had "Progressives on both sides"
But he was dead wrong in hoping it could all be done peacefully, it can't.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on December 06, 2012, 09:14:37 PM
  Beck was right when he said that we had "Progressives on both sides"
But he was dead wrong in hoping it could all be done peacefully, it can't.

Yeah, ask the survivors of the Holocaust how peaceful works.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on December 09, 2012, 09:18:17 PM
 ::saywhat::

http://www.france24.com/en/20121209-imfs-lagarde-warns-against-us-fudge-fiscal-cliff (http://www.france24.com/en/20121209-imfs-lagarde-warns-against-us-fudge-fiscal-cliff)

Listen here Christine, park your broom elsewhere!

 ::mooning::
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Glock32 on December 09, 2012, 10:55:49 PM
At least she acknowledged spending. Most of these morons are convinced it's entirely a "the rich aren't being taxed enough" problem.

You know what else pisses me off about this spineless Republican leadership? They keep letting the liberals dominate the language on "revenue". Yet another word we've ceded to them. Boehner and company have conceded to the increased revenue = increased taxes fallacy. If he wants to give the president some additional revenue options, to use their words, why not take the opportunity to educate the public on the time proven Laffer curve?

This is a perfect opportunity to make the argument that lower taxes produce more revenue to the government when economic activity increases as a result. More importantly it would also expose the lie that this has anything to do with revenue. It's about taxation for its own sake, not as a revenue generating policy but as a social engineering policy. If it were simply about bringing in more dollars to the Federal government they would pursue lower tax rates because it has been shown to work countless times in the past.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on December 10, 2012, 07:11:05 AM
Agreed.  Plus, I'd like to hear the argument why anybody thinks the Dem's have any credibility about cutting spending when a) their track record proves otherwise and b) their Obama Plan (as presented by Turbo-Timmy) includes STIMULUS?!  The fallacy of spending now equals savings later must have a stake driven through it once and for all!

::cussing::  We DO NOT have a taxing problem, we have a SPENDING PROBLEM!   ::cussing::
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Predator Don on December 10, 2012, 12:39:33 PM
Bob Corker ( RINO, Tennessee) is on board to raise taxes on the top 2%. I'll allow you to read his reasoning. ::gaah:: ::falldownshocked:: ::facepalm::

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/09/republican-corker-says-hed-support-raising-tax-rates/ (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/09/republican-corker-says-hed-support-raising-tax-rates/)


Talking to some of my political buddies Sunday. Corker supporters. When I mentioned he has turned RINO and supports a tax hike for the promise of negotiating entitlements (dang, I hate that word).......He actually had some defenders. DEFENDERS!!!!! When a state such as tennessee, with a super majority within our border, has this type of leadership....we are royally screwed.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Pandora on December 10, 2012, 01:01:04 PM
Are your political buddies in the leadership?

Corker et al. are willing to sacrifice "the rich" with yet another 2% of their property being stolen in the hopes they can get a "deal" that does what exactly?  They ought to just cut to the case and throw "the rich" into the volcano and be done with it.

I am so mightly sick and tired of hearing the antipathy directed at "the rich" by the Left and now by the Republicans; it's no longer covert, it's as blatant and as unAmerican as it gets.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Predator Don on December 10, 2012, 01:24:24 PM
Are your political buddies in the leadership?

Corker et al. are willing to sacrifice "the rich" with yet another 2% of their property being stolen in the hopes they can get a "deal" that does what exactly?  They ought to just cut to the case and throw "the rich" into the volcano and be done with it.

I am so mightly sick and tired of hearing the antipathy directed at "the rich" by the Left and now by the Republicans; it's no longer covert, it's as blatant and as unAmerican as it gets.


No, they are not in leadership positions. It's their attitude, or its always the other peoples senators and congressmen who are the problem...not mine. I told them the truth is hard to swallow at times, but OUR problem as a party IS the Bob Corkers.

We are doomed.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: radioman on December 10, 2012, 03:45:56 PM
What we should be doing is demanding 'CUT SPENDING ONLY'!

If the Demos are not willing to CUT SPENDING, then there is nothing to talk about.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Glock32 on December 10, 2012, 03:59:45 PM
If it's any consolation, we were doomed long before this.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on December 10, 2012, 05:39:43 PM
If it's any consolation, we were doomed long before this.

Agreed, it is merely becoming more obvious is all.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Predator Don on December 10, 2012, 05:56:14 PM
If it's any consolation, we were doomed long before this.

Agreed, it is merely becoming more obvious is all.


Not obvious to enough....I had a conversation with a few of my younger members. They were actually talking politics, which I thought...hey, this is good. Little did I know they didn't think it would be so bad if the US of A morfed into one large middle class.  ::falldownshocked:: ::doh::

We're screwed.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Pandora on December 10, 2012, 06:36:28 PM
And just how did they think this magic "morfing" was going to happen?
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Predator Don on December 10, 2012, 07:20:30 PM
And just how did they think this magic "morfing" was going to happen?

By taxing the "rich" to the point there is a middle class. Redistribution, baby, redistribution. Pay your fair share. Some actually complained about obama, but figured it could turn out well if monies were confiscated, spread around until we are all big happy middle class. ::hysterical::

I jokingly requested a meeting with thier economics teacher.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Glock32 on December 10, 2012, 07:33:49 PM
In their fantasy land if you did that, and all money was equally distributed (forget for a moment the upheaval necessary to make that happen), within a few years there would again be rich and poor, with the majority somewhere in between. What would they say then? Time for another upheaval?

My all purpose retort to all variations of this argument is "a centrally managed economy means a centrally managed population". It's no coincidence that the countries which in the past imposed centrally managed economies had populations that lived behind barbed wire with internal checkpoints.

I think it was Mark Steyn who said it -- public education in this country is guilty of mass child abuse.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on December 11, 2012, 06:39:37 AM
And the "rich" would be the elite, the politburo, the ruling class, whatever term you prefer...the apartchuks carrying out the elite agenda would be the upper-middle, everybody else would be muck.  Then perhaps the 99% would really have a legitimate cause to bitch!

Face it, we are surrounded by enemies, fools, dupes and looters...the patient cannot be saved in its current state...it needs to be terminated and rebuilt.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on December 11, 2012, 06:56:14 AM
Cash those dividends now or pay more later!

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-10/rich-gain-as-companies-seek-to-beat-obama-tax-increases.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-10/rich-gain-as-companies-seek-to-beat-obama-tax-increases.html)

And tax havens are all the rage now, but who here thinks the libiots won't go after those next?!

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-10/google-revenues-sheltered-in-no-tax-bermuda-soar-to-10-billion.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-10/google-revenues-sheltered-in-no-tax-bermuda-soar-to-10-billion.html)
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Predator Don on December 11, 2012, 07:28:55 AM
Oh goody, goody......Bob Corker (aka Bob Porker in Tennessee today) will be on CNBC in a few minutes......

Speaking of CNBC, something I used to enjoy watching, has turned into a liberal love fest.....JIm Kramer can kiss my ass. The channel is no longer enjoyable. Their "Rise above" garbage is code for raise taxes.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on December 11, 2012, 11:21:27 AM
I didn't know CNBC was ever acceptable.   ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 11, 2012, 11:49:05 AM

I watched Kudlow for a good while, he was a supporter of and the person who introduced Sarah Palin to the national audience.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Predator Don on December 11, 2012, 03:08:33 PM
I didn't know CNBC was ever acceptable.   ::unknowncomic::


I enjoyed Squawk Box. They used to have some good discussions and debate.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on December 12, 2012, 06:46:52 AM
I didn't know CNBC was ever acceptable.   ::unknowncomic::


I enjoyed Squawk Box. They used to have some good discussions and debate.

I guess I disengaged from news media earlier than most, I don't even watch Fox much anymore...unless some event is in play, otherwise the boob tube is really only for entertainment, and less and less entertains me now days...
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on December 12, 2012, 07:34:12 AM
O'Bongo makes a bold prediction -

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/exclusive-president-obama-predicts-gop-cave-taxes/story?id=17937679 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/exclusive-president-obama-predicts-gop-cave-taxes/story?id=17937679)

Way to go out on a limb there O'Bongo...

Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Glock32 on December 12, 2012, 11:09:35 AM
O'Bongo makes a bold prediction -

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/exclusive-president-obama-predicts-gop-cave-taxes/story?id=17937679 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/exclusive-president-obama-predicts-gop-cave-taxes/story?id=17937679)

Way to go out on a limb there O'Bongo...



(http://imgc.artprintimages.com/images/art-print/michael-nichols-young-chimpanzee-hangs-from-a-tree-limb_i-G-26-2687-ITWUD00Z.jpg)
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on December 12, 2012, 11:23:09 AM
Yeah, that's him!  He's the pooh-thrower!   ::hysterical::
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Glock32 on December 12, 2012, 11:25:34 AM
(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff269/halo707/Forums/Thatsracist.gif)
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on December 12, 2012, 11:28:50 AM
As long as I ain't wrong!   ;)

 ::whoohoo::
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Predator Don on December 12, 2012, 12:33:23 PM
O'Bongo makes a bold prediction -

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/exclusive-president-obama-predicts-gop-cave-taxes/story?id=17937679 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/exclusive-president-obama-predicts-gop-cave-taxes/story?id=17937679)

Way to go out on a limb there O'Bongo...



(http://imgc.artprintimages.com/images/art-print/michael-nichols-young-chimpanzee-hangs-from-a-tree-limb_i-G-26-2687-ITWUD00Z.jpg)



If barack had a son it would look just like him.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on December 12, 2012, 07:04:36 PM
  ::hysterical::
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: benb61 on December 12, 2012, 07:39:02 PM
O'Bongo makes a bold prediction -

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/exclusive-president-obama-predicts-gop-cave-taxes/story?id=17937679 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/exclusive-president-obama-predicts-gop-cave-taxes/story?id=17937679)

Way to go out on a limb there O'Bongo...



(http://imgc.artprintimages.com/images/art-print/michael-nichols-young-chimpanzee-hangs-from-a-tree-limb_i-G-26-2687-ITWUD00Z.jpg)



If barack had a son it would look just like him.

I thought that was a photo of young Barry Soreto in Malaysia.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Predator Don on December 12, 2012, 08:18:02 PM
O'Bongo makes a bold prediction -

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/exclusive-president-obama-predicts-gop-cave-taxes/story?id=17937679 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/exclusive-president-obama-predicts-gop-cave-taxes/story?id=17937679)

Way to go out on a limb there O'Bongo...



(http://imgc.artprintimages.com/images/art-print/michael-nichols-young-chimpanzee-hangs-from-a-tree-limb_i-G-26-2687-ITWUD00Z.jpg)



If barack had a son it would look just like him.

I thought that was a photo of young Barry Soreto in Malaysia.


I think it's a young moochelle.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Glock32 on December 12, 2012, 08:23:11 PM

I thought that was a photo of young Barry Soreto in Malaysia.


Now that you mention it, that part of the world would indeed be orangutans rather than chimpanzees.  Allow me to correct this.


(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_xwE0rBDpg1Y/SEVK4YIs_VI/AAAAAAAABR4/rJBwULuZ4xQ/s400/orangutan-jungle-forest.jpg)
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: IronDioPriest on December 12, 2012, 09:43:57 PM
Are the daughters out of bounds?

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_xwE0rBDpg1Y/SEVK4YIs_VI/AAAAAAAABR4/rJBwULuZ4xQ/s400/orangutan-jungle-forest.jpg)

(http://imgc.artprintimages.com/images/art-print/michael-nichols-young-chimpanzee-hangs-from-a-tree-limb_i-G-26-2687-ITWUD00Z.jpg)

Whaaaaat? Whaaaaat? I'm just askin'!
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 12, 2012, 09:55:38 PM

Besides being their children they are children and should be given a pass. 
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Glock32 on December 12, 2012, 09:59:22 PM
That's mighty white of you Charles.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 12, 2012, 10:06:52 PM

The parents are big enough targets.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: IronDioPriest on December 12, 2012, 10:14:50 PM
You're right, of course Charles. But then... they ARE Leftist children. And I would wager a hefty sum that they will be a thorn in the side of this country long after their mommy and daddy are dry as dust.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Pandora on December 12, 2012, 10:47:01 PM
Anders Brejvik.

I am just sayin'.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 12, 2012, 10:49:12 PM

They are children of leftists and, yeah, they will probably turn out like their parents; however, I'm willing to wait and let them tell me.  As far as a thorn long after the parents, I'm not sure we will have a country after his parents.  We'll know pretty soon though.

Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 12, 2012, 10:59:36 PM
Anders Brejvik.

I am just sayin'.

If this enmity is not put to rest it won't be some Brejvik killing kids it will a very adult conflagration.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Pandora on December 12, 2012, 11:02:08 PM
Anders Brejvik.

I am just sayin'.

If this enmity is not put to rest it won't be some Brejvik killing kids it will a very adult conflagration.

What way is there to "put it to rest", Charles?  The children have been indoctrinated through every possible avenue.  Hitler's Youth Brownshirts were true believers.  The adults are going to have conflagrate .... riiiight down the line.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Glock32 on December 12, 2012, 11:46:18 PM
I've read more than one account from Allied soldiers who said out of all the firefights they were in, the Hitler Youth were the most fanatical. It takes a true cradle-to-grave culture of brainwashing (not unlike Islam) to make someone throw away their life without hesitation. I'm reminded also of the Iran-Iraq war, where the Iranians sent teenagers out into the minefields to clear a path for the adult soldiers behind them. They gave these kids some sort of cheesy plastic token beforehand, telling them they would be able to enter Paradise with it.

One thing movements of "fundamental transformation" have always had in common is their view that the current generation of adults are disposable...impediments that need to go away sooner rather than later. The youth are the soil for Hope & Change. Hitler and Lenin both made virtually identical comments about needing only a few years to plant those seeds in the minds of the youth and they would own them forever.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: IronDioPriest on December 13, 2012, 01:22:24 AM

They are children of leftists and, yeah, they will probably turn out like their parents; however, I'm willing to wait and let them tell me.  As far as a thorn long after the parents, I'm not sure we will have a country after his parents.  We'll know pretty soon though.


That's a fair point based on decency. Certainly can't fault you for that.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: RickZ on December 13, 2012, 06:29:25 AM
Good point about children and fanaticism.  We have the recent exemple with The Killing Fields.  Some psychiatrist on tv said kids are basically sociopaths and that only through growth and good role models do they change and feel empathy.  Give a kid a gun and tell him to kill adults is jolly good fun.  Until they hit 21 (30 in the movie) when "their palm flower crystal embedded in the palm of their right hand" makes a last color change to black.  Oopsie!

There is an argument that Hitler took mass murder and turned it into a manufacturing process, and I think that's true.  But under Lenin and, more importantly, Stalin, the gulag, though more spread out, was just as much a killing machine using the young to grind the gears of The Great Purges.  Only to be replaced by a later group of youngsters.  And so on.  When you're young and marching toward Utopia, you're invincible, until you aren't.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on December 13, 2012, 06:41:47 AM
I'm not giving anybody a pass or a benefit of any doubt, enemies abound and I tolerate none of them!  There are casualties in war, it seems our enemies know this far far better than we do!

 ::)

BOT - InTrade odds on the ridiculously named "fiscal cliff" deal are going over the proverbial cliff...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-12/odds-debt-ceilingfiscal-cliff-deal-year-end-plummet-16-intrade (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-12/odds-debt-ceilingfiscal-cliff-deal-year-end-plummet-16-intrade)

Best news I've heard in days!
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: RickZ on December 13, 2012, 06:55:06 AM
Anders Brejvik.

I am just sayin'.

If this enmity is not put to rest it won't be some Brejvik killing kids it will a very adult conflagration.

What way is there to "put it to rest", Charles?  The children have been indoctrinated through every possible avenue.  Hitler's Youth Brownshirts were true believers.  The adults are going to have conflagrate .... riiiight down the line.

Well, as long as they use condoms.  Wait, what?
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on December 16, 2012, 11:29:59 AM
Boehner goes flaccid -

http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/boehner-pitches-millionaire-tax-hike-85128.html?hp=f1 (http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/boehner-pitches-millionaire-tax-hike-85128.html?hp=f1)

Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Alphabet Soup on December 16, 2012, 11:58:25 AM
Strategically I still think it's the wrong move but I will note that the offer is conditional upon cuts that Øbongo will never agree to.

Checkmate.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on December 16, 2012, 03:36:50 PM
We kinda felt the same way about letting the Supreme's settle ObamaCare too as I recall, crap has a way of hitting the fan and pasting you in the face.  Such an offer should not have even been made.  Now O'Bongo & the Dem's know they have Boehner right were they want him.

Stupid Party strikes again.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 16, 2012, 07:12:40 PM
Larry Summers, Larry Summers, hmmm, didn't Ritimmy Geithner replace him?


http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/boehner-offers-to-take-debt-limit-off-the-table/2012/12/16/8b369b7e-47c6-11e2-b6f0-e851e741d196_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/boehner-offers-to-take-debt-limit-off-the-table/2012/12/16/8b369b7e-47c6-11e2-b6f0-e851e741d196_story.html)

The White House rejected the offer, saying it would raise too little cash to significantly dent record budget deficits and do nothing to extend emergency unemployments benefits into the new year, according to a Democrat familiar with the talks.

But the tax offer was viewed as a breakthrough, the Democrat said. Senior White House officials remained in contact with Boehner’s staff throughout the weekend in a sign that serious negotiations had finally begun after weeks of stalemate and partisan posturing.

“Recognizing the importance of raising tax rates is a big, positive and important step,” said former White House economic adviser Lawrence Summers, who emphasized that he was not speaking for the Obama administration.

“The evaluation of any deal should depend on how much total revenue is raised, whether adequate demand is maintained to sustain the recovery and whether we are restoring confidence or just marking time until another debt-limit crisis,” Summers said.


Oh, Johnny, you're weak as water. 
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on December 16, 2012, 09:44:15 PM
See, we knew this would happen.  They have Boehner cornered, he weasels out of higher taxes now and he'll get skewered by the democrat-media complex for being held hostage by extremists fat cats, and Boehner would rather be skewered by conservatives because he hates them more than dem's and the media.

The script is all but written.  There is no serious opposition to Obamunism as long as this retard remains Speaker.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Glock32 on December 16, 2012, 10:09:13 PM
For their next act, the House GOP will cave on the inevitable Son of AWB that is going to be presented at the beginning of January. This one won't have a sunset provision either.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on December 17, 2012, 07:04:11 AM
For their next act, the House GOP will cave on the inevitable Son of AWB that is going to be presented at the beginning of January. This one won't have a sunset provision either.

They would probably love a retroactive bill with mandatory surrender of them to authorities for what they deem to be FMV.  If they were serious this would be so, I say push them as hard as possible to go for the whole enchilada and let's get this on!
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on December 17, 2012, 11:46:21 AM
Dance, Monkey!

Boehner caves in a little, Obama rejects, Boehner caves some more, Obama rejects...

See a pattern here?  Obama will get it all eventually...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/boehner-offers-to-take-debt-limit-off-the-table/2012/12/16/8b369b7e-47c6-11e2-b6f0-e851e741d196_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/boehner-offers-to-take-debt-limit-off-the-table/2012/12/16/8b369b7e-47c6-11e2-b6f0-e851e741d196_story.html)

What a waste of   ::cussing::  time!   ::mooning::
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: IronDioPriest on December 17, 2012, 05:23:30 PM
Boehner is doing what he's told n exchange for a promise not to release the photos of him with a nude teenage boy. That's why he cries.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: warpmine on December 17, 2012, 09:26:50 PM
"Think of how STUPID the average person is... then realize that HALF of them are STUPIDER than that."

I love this!

I hate it when you're so right!
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on December 18, 2012, 07:01:22 AM
Here he comes again...   ::bus::

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-boehner-meet-as-debt-talks-intensify/2012/12/17/6b43c24a-4868-11e2-b6f0-e851e741d196_print.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-boehner-meet-as-debt-talks-intensify/2012/12/17/6b43c24a-4868-11e2-b6f0-e851e741d196_print.html)

The weeping carrot stick is about to fold completely...

Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Glock32 on December 18, 2012, 10:36:14 AM
For emphasis:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt87mXL_ftg
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on December 18, 2012, 11:31:02 AM
Awesome.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/pelosi-backed-boehners-tax-cut-proposal (http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/pelosi-backed-boehners-tax-cut-proposal)

Just awesome!

 ::mooning::
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: John Florida on December 18, 2012, 07:59:40 PM
Awesome.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/pelosi-backed-boehners-tax-cut-proposal (http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/pelosi-backed-boehners-tax-cut-proposal)

Just awesome!

 ::mooning::

 Shows how weak he is.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on December 19, 2012, 07:33:35 AM
Anybody in the GOP caucus who thinks this idiot should remain as Speaker is a traitor to America, period.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Glock32 on December 19, 2012, 07:44:47 PM
Anybody in the GOP caucus who thinks this idiot should remain as Speaker is a traitor to America, period.

I've come to the conclusion that you could say the majority of this country are traitors to America. Why did I have to be born during the Rule of Moron? I have, apparently, a decidedly 18th Century mindset. It pains me to every day live and breathe the ascendency of the Moron, as they flippantly say "so what?" at the loss of things they'll never understand.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Pandora on December 19, 2012, 09:00:03 PM
Anybody in the GOP caucus who thinks this idiot should remain as Speaker is a traitor to America, period.

I've come to the conclusion that you could say the majority of this country are traitors to America. Why did I have to be born during the Rule of Moron? I have, apparently, a decidedly 18th Century mindset. It pains me to every day live and breathe the ascendency of the Moron, as they flippantly say "so what?" at the loss of things they'll never understand.

Because you have a purpose right now, as do we all who live in this time.  Could be those of you with 18th Century mindsets, while there may be few, will be responsible for the pivot back to sanity.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: warpmine on December 19, 2012, 09:49:28 PM
Anybody in the GOP caucus who thinks this idiot should remain as Speaker is a traitor to America, period.

I've come to the conclusion that you could say the majority of this country are traitors to America. Why did I have to be born during the Rule of Moron? I have, apparently, a decidedly 18th Century mindset. It pains me to every day live and breathe the ascendency of the Moron, as they flippantly say "so what?" at the loss of things they'll never understand.
"The Age of Moron" ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on December 20, 2012, 07:34:58 AM
Anybody in the GOP caucus who thinks this idiot should remain as Speaker is a traitor to America, period.

I've come to the conclusion that you could say the majority of this country are traitors to America. Why did I have to be born during the Rule of Moron? I have, apparently, a decidedly 18th Century mindset. It pains me to every day live and breathe the ascendency of the Moron, as they flippantly say "so what?" at the loss of things they'll never understand.

Because you have a purpose right now, as do we all who live in this time.  Could be those of you with 18th Century mindsets, while there may be few, will be responsible for the pivot back to sanity.

I feel all too often (I always have, but it has been massively enhanced in recent years) that I was born 150-200 years to late.  While I may feel I am not meant for this age, I am here.  I figure God has a plan (and a sense of humor, I guess) and what will be will be.  He knows me and He will use me as He sees fit.  I just hope I am used properly.  All I know is if people (especially the Morons) are looking for compassion and forgiveness, they'll have to look a lot higher than me.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 20, 2012, 12:14:01 PM

I may think like a 19th century man but if it were not for 20th century medicine I'd not have seen puberty, I'll take my existence as validation of your observation that we're here for an important purpose.

Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Pandora on December 20, 2012, 12:22:50 PM

I may think like a 19th century man but if it were not for 20th century medicine I'd not have seen puberty, I'll take my existence as validation of your observation that we're here for an important purpose.

What my mother told me validates the premise for me.  I was a placenta previa baby and they usually died during birth then.  I was just too stubborn to give up, I guess.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: benb61 on December 20, 2012, 12:29:05 PM
Quote
I'll take my existence as validation of your observation that we're here for an important purpose.

I have had way too many "close calls" to not know that He has a purpose for me.  From accidents that should have been fatal, yet I walked away without a scratch, to stupid decisions that should have landed me in jail but didn't.  There is a divine reason that I am the man I am today.

 ::praying::
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: John Florida on December 20, 2012, 12:44:18 PM

I may think like a 19th century man but if it were not for 20th century medicine I'd not have seen puberty, I'll take my existence as validation of your observation that we're here for an important purpose.

What my mother told me validates the premise for me.  I was a placenta previa baby and they usually died during birth then.  I was just too stubborn to give up, I guess.


   I was a blue baby with the cord wrapped around my neck three times.But I'm still here.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Pandora on December 20, 2012, 12:48:04 PM

I may think like a 19th century man but if it were not for 20th century medicine I'd not have seen puberty, I'll take my existence as validation of your observation that we're here for an important purpose.

What my mother told me validates the premise for me.  I was a placenta previa baby and they usually died during birth then.  I was just too stubborn to give up, I guess.


   I was a blue baby with the cord wrapped around my neck three times.But I'm still here.

See?  That's what I'm saying, even when the majority of us is normal.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: warpmine on December 20, 2012, 07:00:56 PM

I may think like a 19th century man but if it were not for 20th century medicine I'd not have seen puberty, I'll take my existence as validation of your observation that we're here for an important purpose.

What my mother told me validates the premise for me.  I was a placenta previa baby and they usually died during birth then.  I was just too stubborn to give up, I guess.


   I was a blue baby with the cord wrapped around my neck three times.But I'm still here.
Sounds like my son, swimming in fluid flipping and flopping having a gay old time never wanting to leave until they took him out forcefully via Cesarian.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: John Florida on December 21, 2012, 07:18:42 AM

I may think like a 19th century man but if it were not for 20th century medicine I'd not have seen puberty, I'll take my existence as validation of your observation that we're here for an important purpose.

What my mother told me validates the premise for me.  I was a placenta previa baby and they usually died during birth then.  I was just too stubborn to give up, I guess.


   I was a blue baby with the cord wrapped around my neck three times.But I'm still here.

See?  That's what I'm saying, even when the majority of us is normal.


 ???
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Pandora on December 21, 2012, 02:16:45 PM

I may think like a 19th century man but if it were not for 20th century medicine I'd not have seen puberty, I'll take my existence as validation of your observation that we're here for an important purpose.

What my mother told me validates the premise for me.  I was a placenta previa baby and they usually died during birth then.  I was just too stubborn to give up, I guess.


   I was a blue baby with the cord wrapped around my neck three times.But I'm still here.

See?  That's what I'm saying, even when the majority of us is normal.


 ???

Alright, I put that wrong.  What I'm trying to say is even when the circumstances of birth were unremarkable for the majority of people, they, too, are here and alive now for a reason.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: John Florida on December 21, 2012, 07:39:55 PM

I may think like a 19th century man but if it were not for 20th century medicine I'd not have seen puberty, I'll take my existence as validation of your observation that we're here for an important purpose.

What my mother told me validates the premise for me.  I was a placenta previa baby and they usually died during birth then.  I was just too stubborn to give up, I guess.


   I was a blue baby with the cord wrapped around my neck three times.But I'm still here.

See?  That's what I'm saying, even when the majority of us is normal.


 ???

Alright, I put that wrong.  What I'm trying to say is even when the circumstances of birth were unremarkable for the majority of people, they, too, are here and alive now for a reason.

   ::hat-tip::
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Pandora on January 01, 2013, 01:47:34 PM
Forget the "walk away"; they're still negotiating with our stuff and, damnit, they're running the same playbook AGAIN!  I just heard Grahamnesty advocate "saving our powder" for the debt ceiling fight, which means caving on raising taxes for the "rich" making $250K and over.  Some one here wrote it; "not the hill to die on; need to save it for X, Y, Z".
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on January 01, 2013, 02:13:25 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/31/Fiscal-cliff-deal-41-1-in-tax-increases-to-spending-cuts-ratio (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/31/Fiscal-cliff-deal-41-1-in-tax-increases-to-spending-cuts-ratio)

41:1 Tax to cut ratio, and we all know the real ratio will be 41:0 and that that 41 will go even higher!

Pubbies, they cannot die off fast enough to save the nation!
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: AmericanPatriot on January 01, 2013, 02:46:26 PM
My "conservative" senator Pat Toomey went all in.

F**k him, too, asnd the horse he rode in on
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on January 01, 2013, 02:50:15 PM
My "conservative" senator Pat Toomey went all in.

F**k him, too, asnd the horse he rode in on

Make PETA mad, shoot the horse, when the idiot hits the deck stomp him with your boot heel, that way all the media will focus on is the poor horse...
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: trapeze on January 01, 2013, 03:38:40 PM
My "conservative" senator Pat Toomey went all in.

F**k him, too, asnd the horse he rode in on

It would have passed with a Democrat majority no matter what. So, I don't understand why so many Republicans voted in favor of this idiocy. Unless, of course, they actually believe that supporting tax increases will somehow result in an easier path to reelection.  Really? I expect flawed thinking from McCain and Graham...they are idiots. But, Ron Johnson? Jeff Sessions?

And now we are down to Boehner. Which almost certainly means that it's all over. Boehner will cave. It's what he does. All of the Democrats in the House will vote for it and Boehner will get enough loyal ass kissers to go along with him and that's it. We're done.

Two years from now we will lose the House. The base will not show up for this pack of spineless cowards and the Democrats will win. And then it will be all over.

So...

...unless Boehner finds his spine, his testicles and something like "principles" between now and tomorrow the country is truly lost. And we have two years to stock up on food and ammo.

I am sort of anticipating the formation of groups in our communities to begin discussing what to do when the sh*t hits the fan. This happened pre-Y2K with people getting together to discuss what they needed to do to prepare for "the end." I attended one of those meetings out of curiosity (I never bought in to the hysteria over Y2K) and was impressed with the seriousness of the people in my community in preparing for a crisis that would never happen. I am kind of anticipating people getting together again now that there is a real crisis coming. I will need to have a chat with my local firearms dealer and get in on the ground floor. There will be safety in numbers.

We will need to keep an eye on the next election for sheriff, too. Wouldn't want the wrong person to get into that slot.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Alphabet Soup on January 01, 2013, 03:51:13 PM
I'm watching to see if anyone exploits the illegal nature of this senate vote.

You see, there were a number of lame duck senators who were technically ineligible to cast a vote after 12/31/12 - but voted anyway.

Nah - that would be invalidating their precious feeeeeelings and that just wouldn't do.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: charlesoakwood on January 01, 2013, 07:10:08 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/01/01/house-pay-freeze-vote-is-for-political-cover-dems-say/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/01/01/house-pay-freeze-vote-is-for-political-cover-dems-say/)

But first lawmakers voted on a plan to freeze the salaries of lawmakers and federal employees.

Despite Democratic objections, the bill passed 287 to 129, with 55 Democrats voting with Republicans to approve the measure.

The pay bill is cosponsored by Reps. Mike Fitzpatrick (R-Pa.) and Darrell Issa (R-Calif.).

Mike Fitzpatrick; Is he a Tea Partyer?

Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: RickZ on January 02, 2013, 01:34:36 AM
I'm watching to see if anyone exploits the illegal nature of this senate vote.

You see, there were a number of lame duck senators who were technically ineligible to cast a vote after 12/31/12 - but voted anyway.

Nah - that would be invalidating their precious feeeeeelings and that just wouldn't do.

This Congress' term ends 1/3/13.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Pandora on January 02, 2013, 02:01:38 AM
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/01/house-passes-fiscal-cliff-bill-with-85-republican-votes/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/01/house-passes-fiscal-cliff-bill-with-85-republican-votes/)

Tick, tick, tick .....
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on January 02, 2013, 06:58:08 AM
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/01/house-passes-fiscal-cliff-bill-with-85-republican-votes/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/01/house-passes-fiscal-cliff-bill-with-85-republican-votes/)

Tick, tick, tick .....

BOOM!!!

Boehner and the rest of the Chamberlain's need to be purged or you can kiss any hope of rolling back the drift into tyranny goodbye forever.

Personally I think the notion of a peaceful resolution at this point is DOA, the wise person will prepare for the open rebellion sure to come.

ETA - Ryan for voted for  ::cussing::  and Cantor & McCarthy voted against.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-0102-fiscal-cliff-20130102,0,1215218.story (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-0102-fiscal-cliff-20130102,0,1215218.story)

Kline is the only(R) in MN that voted for, find out who in your delegation is one of the 85 Chamberlain's!

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2012/h659 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2012/h659)

Oh, and hope everybody is ready for 2% more payroll tax for FICA, they didn't do anything about that, but no doubt that will be in the grand compromise to come by the end of february, just how much it will cost the pubbies is yet to be determined.  Chances are high they'll pay dearly, so remember these 85, I bet their numbers grow.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: AmericanPatriot on January 02, 2013, 08:40:51 AM
I see my boy, Mike Kelly, sold me out again.
I expect nothing less
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Lisa in PA on January 02, 2013, 09:05:11 AM
I see my boy, Mike Kelly, sold me out again.
I expect nothing less

He was doing so well there for awhile!  I knew he would vote for this because of the comments he made about "Plan B" a few weeks ago, so I wasn't surprised.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: IronDioPriest on January 02, 2013, 09:24:03 AM
I really think the republican party is dead now. We're headed toward one-party hegemony.

They failed to turn out their base in the presidential election, and their response is to give their base the middle finger.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 02, 2013, 09:32:30 AM

Oh, and hope everybody is ready for 2% more payroll tax for FICA, they didn't do anything about that, but no doubt that will be in the grand compromise to come by the end of february, just how much it will cost the pubbies is yet to be determined.  Chances are high they'll pay dearly, so remember these 85, I bet their numbers grow.

The GOP is dead. I won't vote for fund them now even if they are my only choice or hope. Let it burn. Voting for them is voting to give the Democrats their way  in the end.  We have in the past voted GOP out of optimism and the knowledge that they might cause a  delay. Now that we have passed the point of no return, we might as well step on the gas. We need to use  their own weight against them, and let them plunge headlong into the abyss because of a sudden lack of (political) opposition.  I might be in a small  minority, but because of people like me, the GOP  will loose at the National level for the rest of time.  The rest of you can try to keep the GOP alive, or let her go. I will only vote 3rd party from now on- because I think there is a zero % chance that any GOP will ever stand up for our principles - being entrenched in  the system and playing the game. They are traitors just as much as every Democrat, and should share their fates. So  lets help them down that road. Give them what they want and more. Give them time and they will use it to further entrench the police state. We need to force their hand, and make them move too early- and the best part is they will do that on their own if simply given the chance.

Ironically, I am happier than I have been in years.  The political war is over. We lost. Get in your (unregistered)  firefly, live life day to day, take jobs as they come,  and use every opportunity that comes your way to F up the Alliance goons, and hurt those who have supported them. Never Forgive. Never forget. But reading the news or getting angry is pointless now. I can tell you what each and every headline you will read in the next 5 years will say:  "The Democrats get their way again, happiness expected, if it weren't  for those evil meddling kids!"   My head is down and I am concentrating on my own affairs and developing my skills and  my ability to sustain myself. I'll do the best I can till that Fed carrying my Bullet arrives, and now that that Fed's arrival is a foregone conclusion, there isn't any point in worrying about it till he is standing on my doorstep. Knowing the govt, he will take years to show up. I won't even try to guess the offense. No point. They will find something. After all I am a dissenter and I am unwilling to pretend I am not. The actual charges are meaningless - both to me and to them.All I can do is work to protect me and mine in the meantime.
 
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: ToddF on January 02, 2013, 10:33:57 AM
Yep, in a surprise it was Kline that went Full Retard, not Paulsen.

The deal increases the deficits $3.9 trillion over what they would have been.  That's the wrong way, children.  Let the party burn.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on January 02, 2013, 11:26:07 AM

Oh, and hope everybody is ready for 2% more payroll tax for FICA, they didn't do anything about that, but no doubt that will be in the grand compromise to come by the end of february, just how much it will cost the pubbies is yet to be determined.  Chances are high they'll pay dearly, so remember these 85, I bet their numbers grow.

The GOP is dead. I won't vote for fund them now even if they are my only choice or hope. Let it burn. Voting for them is voting to give the Democrats their way  in the end.  We have in the past voted GOP out of optimism and the knowledge that they might cause a  delay. Now that we have passed the point of no return, we might as well step on the gas. We need to use  their own weight against them, and let them plunge headlong into the abyss because of a sudden lack of (political) opposition.  I might be in a small  minority, but because of people like me, the GOP  will loose at the National level for the rest of time.  The rest of you can try to keep the GOP alive, or let her go. I will only vote 3rd party from now on- because I think there is a zero % chance that any GOP will ever stand up for our principles - being entrenched in  the system and playing the game. They are traitors just as much as every Democrat, and should share their fates. So  lets help them down that road. Give them what they want and more. Give them time and they will use it to further entrench the police state. We need to force their hand, and make them move too early- and the best part is they will do that on their own if simply given the chance.

Ironically, I am happier than I have been in years.  The political war is over. We lost. Get in your (unregistered)  firefly, live life day to day, take jobs as they come,  and use every opportunity that comes your way to F up the Alliance goons, and hurt those who have supported them. Never Forgive. Never forget. But reading the news or getting angry is pointless now. I can tell you what each and every headline you will read in the next 5 years will say:  "The Democrats get their way again, happiness expected, if it weren't  for those evil meddling kids!"   My head is down and I am concentrating on my own affairs and developing my skills and  my ability to sustain myself. I'll do the best I can till that Fed carrying my Bullet arrives, and now that that Fed's arrival is a foregone conclusion, there isn't any point in worrying about it till he is standing on my doorstep. Knowing the govt, he will take years to show up. I won't even try to guess the offense. No point. They will find something. After all I am a dissenter and I am unwilling to pretend I am not. The actual charges are meaningless - both to me and to them.All I can do is work to protect me and mine in the meantime.
 

Agreed.  I might vote some people in at the local level that I think stand a chance of being on the right side of history once the fed's start goosesteeping in broad daylight in the hopes of generating some more opposition to the tyrants, but for national elections I am all but done, if I do vote it will be for a third party not some hapless pubbie.  I too am looking to myself and my clan, the GOP should and will die, and the faster the better.  And when the time comes I too will aim to misbehave and torment those who would oppress me!
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on January 02, 2013, 11:39:19 AM
Yep, in a surprise it was Kline that went Full Retard, not Paulsen.

The deal increases the deficits $3.9 trillion over what they would have been.  That's the wrong way, children.  Let the party burn.

Speaking of Full Retards...

The jackass in chief didn't even stick around long enough to sign this 2 month joke!

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/01/02/obama-in-hawaii-fiscal-cliff-standoff-behind-him/ (http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/01/02/obama-in-hawaii-fiscal-cliff-standoff-behind-him/)

So, the logical question to ask is...

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: radioman on January 02, 2013, 11:40:57 AM
These are the repubs in the House who voted against the fiscal cliff bill. They need to be targeted for maximum support in their re-election bids. Don't go 3rd party against these folks. They need to be rewarded for their vote; otherwise, why would they listen to us in the first place? if we don't keep supporting them?

Adams
Aderholt
Akin
Amash
Amodei
Austria
Bachmann
Bachus
Barrow
Bartlett
Barton (TX)
Becerra
Berg
Bilirakis
Bishop (UT)
Black
Blackburn
Blumenauer
Bonner
Boustany
Brooks
Broun (GA)
Bucshon
Burgess
Campbell
Canseco
Cantor
Capito
Carter
Cassidy
Chabot
Chaffetz
Coffman (CO)
Conaway
Cooper
Cravaack
Crawford
Culberson
DeFazio
DeLauro
DesJarlais
Duffy
Duncan (SC)
Duncan (TN)
Ellmers
Farenthold
Fincher
Flake
Fleischmann
Fleming
Flores
Forbes
Foxx
Franks (AZ)
Gardner
Garrett
Gibbs
Gingrey (GA)
Gohmert
Goodlatte
Gosar
Gowdy
Granger
Graves (GA)
Griffin (AR)
Griffith (VA)
Guinta
Guthrie
Hall
Harper
Harris
Hartzler
Hensarling
Huelskamp
Huizenga (MI)
Hultgren
Hunter
Hurt
Issa
Jenkins
Johnson, Sam
Jones
Jordan
King (IA)
Kingston
Labrador
Lamborn
Landry
Lankford
Latham
Long
Lummis
Mack
Marchant
Massie
Matheson
McCarthy (CA)
McCaul
McClintock
McDermott
McHenry
McIntyre
McKinley
Mica
Miller (FL)
Miller (NC)
Moran
Mulvaney
Myrick
Neugebauer
Nugent
Nunes
Nunnelee
Olson
Palazzo
Paulsen
Pearce
Pence
Peterson
Petri
Poe (TX)
Pompeo
Posey
Price (GA)
Quayle
Rehberg
Renacci
Rigell
Rivera
Roby
Roe (TN)
Rogers (AL)
Rohrabacher
Rokita
Rooney
Roskam
Ross (FL)
Scalise
Schilling
Schmidt
Schrader
Schweikert
Scott (SC)
Scott (VA)
Scott, Austin
Sensenbrenner
Smith (NE)
Smith (WA)
Southerland
Stearns
Stutzman
Terry
Tipton
Turner (OH)
Visclosky
Walberg
Walsh (IL)
Webster
West
Westmoreland
Whitfield
Wilson (SC)
Wittman
Wolf
Woodall
Yoder
Young (IN)

Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: charlesoakwood on January 02, 2013, 11:41:36 AM

"ETA - Ryan for voted for    and Cantor & McCarthy voted against."

"I see my boy, Mike Kelly, sold me out again."

"Yep, in a surprise it was Kline that went Full Retard, not Paulsen."


It's part of the play.  I think we're deep into act II.


Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Predator Don on January 02, 2013, 12:02:38 PM
Lamar! and Corker, my esteemed Tennessee reps, voted yes.

My old self would skewer them thru e mail, phone call and letter....But I'm not my old self. I'm done. Time to hunker down, do the best I can for my family. No more votes from me.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: charlesoakwood on January 02, 2013, 12:16:24 PM

IIRC, from here, Corker was for it, recanted, then voted for it.  He now will be able to play whichever clip he chooses.

It is time for independent and/or third party candidates to receive support from us and those three million who could not stomach voting for a "reach across the isle".

Those kids supporting Ron Paul were right. 


Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Glock32 on January 02, 2013, 12:21:17 PM
I really think the republican party is dead now. We're headed toward one-party hegemony.

They failed to turn out their base in the presidential election, and their response is to give their base the middle finger.

Yep. I think that pretty much seals it for the GOP. They will lose the House in 2014, assuming we have elections then.

My priority now is to get the hell out of the city. What's coming will be harder to deal with inside the urban/suburban concentration camps. Up until even quite recently I was having the typical concerns a person has about advancing my career, moving on to positions of greater responsibility and greater compensation. But it's now clear that those things are phantoms. Everyone under the age of 50 has had their ability to pursue happiness completely destroyed. It's liberating in a way. Now I won't feel like I am setting back my life by taking lesser work in a better area.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: AlanS on January 02, 2013, 12:55:09 PM

IIRC, from here, Corker was for it, recanted, then voted for it.  He now will be able to play whichever clip he chooses.


He was against it before he voted for it. ::outrage::

Does that mean I have to become a Paulbot to get anything accomplished?
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Predator Don on January 02, 2013, 01:04:52 PM

IIRC, from here, Corker was for it, recanted, then voted for it.  He now will be able to play whichever clip he chooses.

It is time for independent and/or third party candidates to receive support from us and those three million who could not stomach voting for a "reach across the isle".

Those kids supporting Ron Paul were right. 




Yea, Corker really disappointed me. He was on Fox several times lambasting this thing....then he votes for it. Idiot.

Should be some interesting conversations between me and the Corker supporters...when I see them. I will show no mercy.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: charlesoakwood on January 02, 2013, 01:34:31 PM


IIRC, from here, Corker was for it, recanted, then voted for it.  He now will be able to play whichever clip he chooses.


He was against it before he voted for it. ::outrage::

Does that mean I have to become a Paulbot to get anything accomplished?

Absolutely not.  
 
I do think that upon being offered the choice of a Pubby we should differ to and actively support a third candidate. And also work to spoil the Socialist candidates regardless of party name.

And I am for certain not a Paulinian; however, I would much rather have him as president than current circumstance.

ETA: After checking, I am pleased to see my reps name on radioman's list.

Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: IronDioPriest on January 02, 2013, 02:02:58 PM
May the republicans who aided this regime in destroying the country and taking total control of government be the very first executed in the loyalty trials.

Here here. So say we all.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 02, 2013, 02:14:20 PM

He was against it before he voted for it. ::outrage::

Does that mean I have to become a Paulbot to get anything accomplished?

Being a Paulbot won't accomplish anything either. Its just something to do till the revolution comes.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: radioman on January 02, 2013, 02:43:07 PM
If you guys don't support the house repubs that supported you, by voting against this bill, how is that smart?

Time to double-down, support them, and in the next primary season, add to their ranks. 3rd party crap is just that: crap.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 02, 2013, 03:28:54 PM
If you guys don't support the house repubs that supported you, by voting against this bill, how is that smart?

Time to double-down, support them, and in the next primary season, add to their ranks. 3rd party crap is just that: crap.

Because the Dems always vote as a bloc. No. Matter. What.

And the GOP establishment allows jerks like this not only to run, but to lead. That is how we get a McCain. That is how we get a Romney. So a few realize that they will never be elected again and rebel. So what?   The result is the SAME no matter what we do, and at this point its just time to let it all burn.  The Tories made themselves irrelevant in the same manner, and thus the GOP was born, and from that the Civil War.  If you want a different result, you have to vote 3rd party.  If you vote Dem, you get socialism. If you vote GOP, you get them caving to Dems even when they don't have to and you get Socialism. You vote 3rd party and you get a Dem because the GOP can't muster the votes for themselves.  Its the same result no matter which way its accomplished.  Let. it. burn.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: radioman on January 02, 2013, 03:50:44 PM
I still think that we are better off increasing our conservative members in the repub party. As we increase our numbers, we will get better results. We are still too small a number to make the impact we need. We need to keep adding, not giving up.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: IronDioPriest on January 02, 2013, 03:57:24 PM
I wrote a long letter to Michele Bachmann today laying out a case for her to abandon the GOP, and in so doing, to forcefully invite other conservatives (like Amash, etc) in the House to do the same.

I will continue to support conservative Republicans radioman. I will be even more likely to do so if they abandon the GOP on principle. This party needs to die, or at least be so mortally wounded that the obvious and only course of action is to cut the gangrenous tissue from the body of the party.

I will have a glimmer of hope that the gangrenous tissue can indeed be cut if and when John Boehner is sent crying into the rank-and-file of the House Republicans.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 02, 2013, 03:57:46 PM
I still think that we are better off increasing our conservative members in the repub party. As we increase our numbers, we will get better results. We are still too small a number to make the impact we need. We need to keep adding, not giving up.

How? We can't add. At least not enough to beat the Democratic margin of cheat, and even when we do, the people elected cave-- and that is because no sane person wants to rule. No real conservative will ever run for office because conservatives just want to be left alone. No one is giving up- we are just giving up on a rigged game that cannot be won.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: ChrstnHsbndFthr on January 02, 2013, 04:00:24 PM
One advantage to the Gerrymandering games they have been playing is that in certain districts there is no excuse for a squish. We CAN win. We must keep primary challengers ready for attacking the squishes.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Pandora on January 02, 2013, 04:01:46 PM
I still think that we are better off increasing our conservative members in the repub party. As we increase our numbers, we will get better results. We are still too small a number to make the impact we need. We need to keep adding, not giving up.

How? We can't add. At least not enough to beat the Democratic margin of cheat, and even when we do, the people elected cave-- and that is because no sane person wants to rule. No real conservative will ever run for office because conservatives just want to be left alone. No one is giving up- we are just giving up on a rigged game that cannot be won.

Or are beaten into submission or ineffectuality by the withholding and withdrawing of committee assignments and such.  A representative has no chance to influence legislation, then; all they have left is a yea or nay vote and that isn't enough.

It's extremely discouraging, all of it ....
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Predator Don on January 02, 2013, 04:30:57 PM
I'm much better off supporting true conservatives at the local and state level. DC? Everyone who goes there, I don't care thier intentions, becomes consumed by corruption. It is a cesspool and normal people do not want to play in chit. Libs do.


I watched The Dark Knight the other day. I'm always intriqued as the Joker attempts to push Batman to the place he doesn't want to be. Batman threatens to go there, but we know he will not. Libs use our sense of morality as a weapon against us. I do not want to be them but unfortunately, this is not make believe, but real life. The good guy doesn't win. We are chased away by the dogs, our good intentions exploited. Unfortunately, real life has went a step further than the movie, as one of the ships would be destroyed today....The one with us on it.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on January 02, 2013, 06:13:07 PM
I really think the republican party is dead now. We're headed toward one-party hegemony.

They failed to turn out their base in the presidential election, and their response is to give their base the middle finger.

Yep. I think that pretty much seals it for the GOP. They will lose the House in 2014, assuming we have elections then.

My priority now is to get the hell out of the city. What's coming will be harder to deal with inside the urban/suburban concentration camps. Up until even quite recently I was having the typical concerns a person has about advancing my career, moving on to positions of greater responsibility and greater compensation. But it's now clear that those things are phantoms. Everyone under the age of 50 has had their ability to pursue happiness completely destroyed. It's liberating in a way. Now I won't feel like I am setting back my life by taking lesser work in a better area.

I'm just north of fifty and have felt betrayed for what seems a long time now, the descent from Reagan style conservatism has been stark, I bailed on a management position 10 years ago and have held lesser positions since because a) the work is so easy to me I can get done in regular business hours what it takes others working overtime to achieve (thus giving me more time for things I want to do) and b) less for the tax man to collect and piss away on statist BS.  I am at the point where I am now 90% out of rigged markets and instead plow my investments into physical PMs.  I am disconnecting from the game more and more each month.  When it comes time to scoot I may not even bother with a resignation letter...
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on January 02, 2013, 06:17:40 PM
I still think that we are better off increasing our conservative members in the repub party. As we increase our numbers, we will get better results. We are still too small a number to make the impact we need. We need to keep adding, not giving up.

But the GOP regularly punishes the conservatives in office even if they survive the backstabbing GOP leadership, lack of party support and Rovian destruction efforts in the primary and general elections.  How many times do they have to hang out the "conservatives not wanted sign" and be treated as 3rd class status if they still survive to get in office?
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: charlesoakwood on January 02, 2013, 07:01:06 PM
I still think that we are better off increasing our conservative members in the repub party. As we increase our numbers, we will get better results. We are still too small a number to make the impact we need. We need to keep adding, not giving up.

How? We can't add. At least not enough to beat the Democratic margin of cheat, and even when we do, the people elected cave-- and that is because no sane person wants to rule. No real conservative will ever run for office because conservatives just want to be left alone. No one is giving up- we are just giving up on a rigged game that cannot be won.

Or are beaten into submission or ineffectuality by the withholding and withdrawing of committee assignments and such.  A representative has no chance to influence legislation, then; all they have left is a yea or nay vote and that isn't enough.

It's extremely discouraging, all of it ....

Yes it is but we can't quit, it's righteous to continue participation.  If we have a conservative rep or senator support him. However, if as it is in my state the system is "rigged" from the precinct up, therefore, if you are dissatisfied with what you are being offered the only alternative is an outlier, he may not win but it will inflict pain on the establishment.  Ask the establishment if RP does not inflict pain upon them.
 
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on January 03, 2013, 06:52:31 AM
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obamas-staff-use-autopen-sign-fiscal-cliff-legislation_693578.html (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obamas-staff-use-autopen-sign-fiscal-cliff-legislation_693578.html)

What a wanker.

 ::mooning::

Now the SCoaMF is back in Hawaii goofing off while his minions work on his next big power grabs - immigration & guns.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-quickly-go-immigration-reform-and-gun-control_693547.html (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-quickly-go-immigration-reform-and-gun-control_693547.html)

I hope Pele vomits on him!
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: RickZ on January 03, 2013, 07:28:19 AM
I still think that we are better off increasing our conservative members in the repub party. As we increase our numbers, we will get better results. We are still too small a number to make the impact we need. We need to keep adding, not giving up.

I thought about the bolded part and it's just rubbish.  It was the TEA Party which elevated Weepy to the Speaker's position back in 2010.  in 2012, the Orangeman purged conservatives from committees.  So Weepy got a job through people he absolutely loathes.  Tell me again how keeping on pushing will result in a different outcome?  /Definition of insanity and all that.

The eGOPS don't want conservatives, which is why there will have to be another party formed from the rubble of the Republican Party, and that comes with its own set of issues.  The eGOPS just want to go along to get along, with that fake collegiality we see so often expressed by our Congressbastards (John McLame praising John Effin 'I served in Vietnam' Kerry for the SoS position, e.g.).  How many Republican Congressbastards have ever called Owebama a socialist, much less the racist progressive totalitarian commie rat bastard thug he is?

The Republicans are dead, they insulted their base much too often.  They didn't learn from McCain nor Romney (nor even Dole).  Weepy is folding like the cheap suit Owebama is.  As for conservatism, it's a lost cause with current pols because they don't want to have to make a decision -- and vote -- on the tough problems of the day.  Better to keep the Free Shyt Army happy.  After all. conservatives only work and pay the bills, so who gives a fukc what they think?
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: LadyVirginia on January 03, 2013, 09:52:32 AM
The sheriff in my area is a Tea Party member and now he's thinking of running for higher office.  I'll probably help in his campaign but personally I'd rather he stayed sheriff. 

I noticed in the list posted above that Roskam voted along with Bachmann and the others.  I found this interesting as he's Chief Deputy Whip. ( I started paying attention to him after I saw him at Hillsdale one weekend (his daughter went there).  My daughter says he's mostly a big government conservative.  heh  Aren't they all?   ::facepalm::   )
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 03, 2013, 10:24:35 AM
When it comes time to scoot I may not even bother with a resignation letter...

Oh, man, that is a hilarious way to leave at some companies.  It may be months before anyone notices you aren't there. I work in telecom, and Dilbert has always been less funny because  of it ( I have personally witnessed in real life many of the events portrayed as "jokes" in Dilbert)    I worked in Sales long enough and have visited enough places to know that almost universally  Large Corporations become just like the govt- each manager is defending his fiefdom, and NO ONE cares about the bottom line.  Projects are established to perpetuate funding- NOT to accomplish a goal ( the first place I worked, a single, already  completed, cash cow project funded every other project in the building) . Not doing your job is often viewed as a plus by your manager as long as you put in enough effort to provide the illusion the task is making progress. That is why the requirements change. That is why they keep the drug-addled moron co-worker  on staff. If you work in a place like that, find your inner-Wally and TRY to get fired by not working. Firing involves legal and paperwork, and in many cases your manager will try to transfer you, or simply ignore you, rather than do it.  (Put all of your useless people in a group, assign them work that duplicates that of another dept and make sure it gets back to the other dept head..if you are lucky, he demands they be merged with his group. )  Its even more fun if you work a govt job. Just wait till the Dems implement the "job security" stuff Europe has where you have to pay an employee for three years after you fire them... but I am sure no one would take advantage of that...

 



Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on January 03, 2013, 11:47:41 AM
When it comes time to scoot I may not even bother with a resignation letter...

Oh, man, that is a hilarious way to leave at some companies.  It may be months before anyone notices you aren't there. I work in telecom, and Dilbert has always been less funny because  of it ( I have personally witnessed in real life many of the events portrayed as "jokes" in Dilbert)    I worked in Sales long enough and have visited enough places to know that almost universally  Large Corporations become just like the govt- each manager is defending his fiefdom, and NO ONE cares about the bottom line.  Projects are established to perpetuate funding- NOT to accomplish a goal ( the first place I worked, a single, already  completed, cash cow project funded every other project in the building) . Not doing your job is often viewed as a plus by your manager as long as you put in enough effort to provide the illusion the task is making progress. That is why the requirements change. That is why they keep the drug-addled moron co-worker  on staff. If you work in a place like that, find your inner-Wally and TRY to get fired by not working. Firing involves legal and paperwork, and in many cases your manager will try to transfer you, or simply ignore you, rather than do it.  (Put all of your useless people in a group, assign them work that duplicates that of another dept and make sure it gets back to the other dept head..if you are lucky, he demands they be merged with his group. )  Its even more fun if you work a govt job. Just wait till the Dems implement the "job security" stuff Europe has where you have to pay an employee for three years after you fire them... but I am sure no one would take advantage of that...

 





Yeah, I like the Office Space route, sans hypnotist, we got the latter in the WH now, don't need that shyt!  when I bail I will just not show up, see how long the paychecks roll in....not going to quit...they'll have to fire my ass...bills?...I won't pay no stinkin' bills!...and then ride undemployment until the collapse.

Fvck 'em, about the only way I'll get my stolen money back from the rat-bastards holding the IRS's leash, I never agreed to have my money go to welfare queens and Obama-stash ghetto trash etc for almost 40 years!

 ::mooning::
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on January 05, 2013, 10:34:07 AM
Lazy, mouthy, worthless rat scat bastard!

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/01/05/obama-urges-action-on-debt-ceiling-during-vacation/ (http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/01/05/obama-urges-action-on-debt-ceiling-during-vacation/)

 ::mooning::

It is too bad there are no adults around to cut of this petulant man-childs allowance.

The sphincter in chief needs to be cut the frick off!
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: John Florida on January 05, 2013, 08:48:24 PM
Lazy, mouthy, worthless rat scat bastard!

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/01/05/obama-urges-action-on-debt-ceiling-during-vacation/ (http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/01/05/obama-urges-action-on-debt-ceiling-during-vacation/)

 ::mooning::

It is too bad there are no adults around to cut of this petulant man-childs allowance.

The sphincter in chief needs to be cut the frick off!

 You might as well be calling Ghost Busters.
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: charlesoakwood on January 30, 2013, 12:08:44 PM

Paul Broun Will Seek Georgia Senate Seat Vacated by Retiring Sen. Saxby Chambliss (http://theothermccain.com/2013/01/30/paul-broun-will-seek-georgia-senate-seat-vacated-by-retiring-sen-saxby-chambliss/)


Reference:

These are the repubs in the House who voted against the fiscal cliff bill. (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,7281.msg87034.html#msg87034)

Re: Boehner to resign tonight? (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,7452.msg87135.html#msg87135)
Title: Re: "Fiscal cliff" - "Walk Away" Gaining Steam
Post by: Libertas on January 30, 2013, 01:40:25 PM
All 3 GA rep's voted against the fiscal cliff deal, making sure one gets in who will have cash to win the G.E. would be nice, right now looks like a crowded field.  Well, if we even make it to 2014 or it matters a damn...

I guess all three are looking to get out from under Boehner's orange thumb and make a difference elsewhere...