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Topics => 2nd Amendment/Firearms => Topic started by: Alphabet Soup on March 11, 2013, 08:46:48 PM
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Colorado Senate give final OK to gun control bills
By KRISTEN WYATT
Associated Press
DENVER (AP) -- A gun control package pushed by Colorado Democrats cleared the state Senate on Monday, as sponsors described it as a needed response to Colorado's blood-soaked history of mass shootings.
One Democrat after another rose Monday to talk about restricting gun rights after last July's shooting at a suburban Denver movie theater. The vote came on the eve of an expected plea by the alleged gunman, James Holmes, who is accused of killing 12 people and injuring dozens more.
The measures approved by the Senate included a limit on the kinds of high-capacity ammunition magazines Holmes is accused of using in the theater shooting. Other measures included expanded background checks on private gun sales and a new ban on gun ownership for people facing domestic violence charges.
Republicans argued in vain that the gun controls would not have prevented the theater shooting, nor the school massacre last December in Newtown, Conn. Some cited the 1999 Columbine High School shootings outside Denver.
Democrats stood firm.
More here: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_XGR_GUN_CONTROL_COLORADO?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-03-11-20-27-16 (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_XGR_GUN_CONTROL_COLORADO?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-03-11-20-27-16)
Colorado goes full-stupid: women, minorities, & the poor hardest hit.
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Mass civil disobedience will ensue. They have to know this. They are about to instantly transform law-abiding citizens into felons.
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The state has made its decision.
Will Magpul stay or where will
they go?
ETA
This eliminates talk about a contiguous line of states.
Trap was correct.
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Magpul will definitely go. They've put their reputation on the line, and they correctly surmised that their customer base would not tolerate them staying in an anti-gun environment anyway. They will probably go to Texas.
Sadly, Colorado has simply been californicated. It was turned into a posh mountain playground for their Aspen chalets and make-believe cattle ranches. But it's happening elsewhere too. How long until Montana, Wyoming, Idaho are similarly turned? Those states have small populations to begin with.
What it boils down to is that there's ultimately no running away. At some point "the two solitudes" that presently occupy the same country are going to have to have it out.
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This eliminates talk about a contiguous line of states.
Trap was correct.
Unless we fight them for it. When push comes to shove, the cities will become easy targets. Especially in Western States where water is everything.
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Montana & Wyoming actually send Democrats to DC, the process of infiltration is already underway.
I heard some BS on the radio today here in Minnie, about the Dem's and pushing the pro-homosexer marriage issue, but the same principle applies - the talking head says "oh, these rural democrats are facing heat on this vote, they have constituents not in favor of this, they are in danger of being voted out"! I call it BS because it rarely happens. A few may take the hit, the rest coast along, and then the next battle comes and they throw the people under the bus again, back up, and hit 'em again, time after time, and the asshats stay in control!
We're all being californicated!
And yes, sooner I hope than later, we will have to have it out.
They won't let us separate ourselves from their insanity and we cannot live with it or them, one must utterly defeat the other.
There is NO other way.
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Montana & Wyoming actually send Democrats to DC, the process of infiltration is already underway.
I heard some BS on the radio today here in Minnie, about the Dem's and pushing the pro-homosexer marriage issue, but the same principle applies - the talking head says "oh, these rural democrats are facing heat on this vote, they have constituents not in favor of this, they are in danger of being voted out"! I call it BS because it rarely happens. A few may take the hit, the rest coast along, and then the next battle comes and they throw the people under the bus again, back up, and hit 'em again, time after time, and the asshats stay in control!
We're all being californicated!
And yes, sooner I hope than later, we will have to have it out.
They won't let us separate ourselves from their insanity and we cannot live with it or them, one must utterly defeat the other.
There is NO other way.
It's like what's his name (Manchin?) from West Virginia. I remember he made big news during his campaign for Senator with that ad where he's shooting a rifle and talking about what a pro-gun Democrat he is. After Sandy Hook he couldn't get on the gun ban bandwagon fast enough. Why do people continue to trust Democrats who claim to be "not like one of those" Democrats? A pro gun Democrat? An anti-abortion Democrat? Yeah. They might as well be leaving money under your pillow for baby teeth.
But you're right, I didn't even think to remember that Montana already has a Democrat senator. Our big problem is that government is able to peddle a drug so addictive it makes heroin look like nothing: other people's money. The human brain, and maybe that of all sentient life on this planet, is hard wired to want something for nothing. Minimum exertion for maximum reward. There are days when I look at how pervasive that mindset is, and how completely the entrenched interests of the statist oligarchy have been able to wield it, that I just conclude it's hopeless trying to fix it. It simply has to burn itself out, and what will fill that vacuum is anyone's guess.
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Glock32 - You just (amply) illustrated why the NRA lost me as a supporter (I can't help that I'm a lifer).
I argued with them reasonably, passionately, and endlessly about their idiotic single-issue myopia. I told them that supporting assholes like reid would come back to bite them on the ass. I pleaded with them to adopt a brightline and stand firm. Instead they insist that they can make bargains with people who have no honor. Stupid. Naive. Neglegent.
And so utterly unnecessary.
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Glock32 - You just (amply) illustrated why the NRA lost me as a supporter (I can't help that I'm a lifer).
I argued with them reasonably, passionately, and endlessly about their idiotic single-issue myopia. I told them that supporting assholes like reid would come back to bite them on the ass. I pleaded with them to adopt a brightline and stand firm. Instead they insist that they can make bargains with people who have no honor. Stupid. Naive. Neglegent.
And so utterly unnecessary.
That's exactly why I left the NRA behind for about 2-3 years - until they became the primary organized resistance to this latest gun-grab. I re-upped my membership solely because of the need for an organized resistance to what the Leftists are trying to on the graves of Sandy Hook Elementary.
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Montana & Wyoming actually send Democrats to DC, the process of infiltration is already underway.
I heard some BS on the radio today here in Minnie, about the Dem's and pushing the pro-homosexer marriage issue, but the same principle applies - the talking head says "oh, these rural democrats are facing heat on this vote, they have constituents not in favor of this, they are in danger of being voted out"! I call it BS because it rarely happens. A few may take the hit, the rest coast along, and then the next battle comes and they throw the people under the bus again, back up, and hit 'em again, time after time, and the asshats stay in control!
We're all being californicated!
And yes, sooner I hope than later, we will have to have it out.
They won't let us separate ourselves from their insanity and we cannot live with it or them, one must utterly defeat the other.
There is NO other way.
It's like what's his name (Manchin?) from West Virginia. I remember he made big news during his campaign for Senator with that ad where he's shooting a rifle and talking about what a pro-gun Democrat he is. After Sandy Hook he couldn't get on the gun ban bandwagon fast enough. Why do people continue to trust Democrats who claim to be "not like one of those" Democrats? A pro gun Democrat? An anti-abortion Democrat? Yeah. They might as well be leaving money under your pillow for baby teeth.
But you're right, I didn't even think to remember that Montana already has a Democrat senator. Our big problem is that government is able to peddle a drug so addictive it makes heroin look like nothing: other people's money. The human brain, and maybe that of all sentient life on this planet, is hard wired to want something for nothing. Minimum exertion for maximum reward. There are days when I look at how pervasive that mindset is, and how completely the entrenched interests of the statist oligarchy have been able to wield it, that I just conclude it's hopeless trying to fix it. It simply has to burn itself out, and what will fill that vacuum is anyone's guess.
We are were we thought we always would be once this road to perdition was first embarked on, the vacuum will be filled with a renewed spirit of liberty and freedom or ashes.
Molôn Labé!
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I hope you are right. If past is prologue, the vacuum will be filled either by a loose confederation of city-states (the remaining islands of civilization sort of like the period between the end of Rome and the beginning of medieval feudalism) or a more overt tyranny. I am trying to imagine what the situation will be like when we have millions of entitled, childlike people whose sustenance (i.e. productive citizens) has been cut off by the failure of the state and its monetary transfusion apparatus. I don't see them making a transition to self-sufficiency. We might end up with an overt, hard tyranny to put the hordes under control. That might even be the entire plan, to have people begging for a strong man to make the danger go away.
Either that or we'll just have to deal with them as you would any other roving predators.
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I'm OK with the latter.
Things hit hard enough, it may be beyond even a strong man's ability to assert central authority and govern vast tracts of land, there may always be pockets beyond their reach, hopefully we end up in the latter.
With the passage of time though, the advantage in controlling more territory, populace and resources will always go to the strongest. Joining the right group(s) to ally with in the interregnum is going to be critical.
Decades...perhaps many, of feudal warring states and the bleak existence that accompanies it may be the best several succeeding generations can hope for.
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Our big problem is that government is able to peddle a drug so addictive it makes heroin look like nothing: other people's money. The human brain, and maybe that of all sentient life on this planet, is hard wired to want something for nothing. Minimum exertion for maximum reward. There are days when I look at how pervasive that mindset is, and how completely the entrenched interests of the statist oligarchy have been able to wield it, that I just conclude it's hopeless trying to fix it. It simply has to burn itself out, and what will fill that vacuum is anyone's guess.
Which is why they must get the police state in place now. Without the Money to bribe and pay your thugs, you are nobody.
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. I don't see them making a transition to self-sufficiency. We might end up with an overt, hard tyranny to put the hordes under control. That might even be the entire plan, to have people begging for a strong man to make the danger go away.
It Worked for FDR. Scared people looking for a strong voice. But a strong voice won't get you food or fuel.
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Found this link from Western Rifle Shooters, to a site called Resistor in the Rockies:
http://co-ironwill.blogspot.com/2013/03/commierado-senate-passes-all-5-anti-gun.html (http://co-ironwill.blogspot.com/2013/03/commierado-senate-passes-all-5-anti-gun.html)
I don't need to summarize. You can read it here.
Well, we tried to tell them.
We wrote letters. We made phone calls. We sent e-mails. We packed their Town Hall meetings. We testified in the House and Senate meetings. We honked our horns in disapproval.
And they, as expected, ignored us.
It was all for nothing, some may say.
I disagree.
They've been warned. Now they have no excuse when the blow back hits them. We tried to work within the system and they rigged it against us.
In the end, it does not matter what they decide.
We will not comply.
We will not submit to background checks for private party transactions.
We will continue to purchase standard capacity magazines and bring them in State.
We will not turn our guns in...court order on not.
We will not acknowledge unjust and treasonous laws.
We will not be subjugated.
It's going to get real.
Decide what you will do now.
You should have an answer already.
UPDATE: In my haste to post this, I neglected to consider that one of the bills will have to go back to the House for a re-vote, since it was amended in the Senate. This bill can still be killed. Doesn't mean it will, but we must try. Regardless of the outcome on this bill, we won't comply with the other bills.
The bill is HB 1224 - The magazine capacity bill. It passed the Senate by 1 single vote. 2 Democrats voted against it. Senators Tochtrop (D) & Jahn (D) were the only ones to listen to reason.
There are some good comments, but the one I fear to be most accurate is this one:
Anonymous13:19
I am going to make a very bold prediction of what will happen with the pasage of these bills. Nothing. Abso-freaking-lutely nothing.As a native of Colorado I read all of your words about "oooh they better watch out" yada, yada, yada. I have heard this from our community for the better of my 40+ years. Why do these politicians pass these bills? Because they know that we are just a bunch of blowhards with idle threats. I am not going to do anything about this and neither are you. So please stop with all of the angry banter. We are done for and neither you nor I are going to do anything about it. We are not our nations founders. We are cowards. You know it and I know it. Face it.
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I think I get where Anonymous13:19 is coming from. There are all sorts of rabble-rousers and agitators out there. I've been trying to keep my personal threats and promises down - at least to a dull roar.
Yes, there are many who will blink at the prospect of violence, and a few who will blanch at the sight of blood. But then there are a couple of us who don't have anything left to live for, plenty to die for, and no hesitation to drop the hammer.
So here's something in between a promise and a threat...
Try me.
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I think I get where Anonymous13:19 is coming from. There are all sorts of rabble-rousers and agitators out there. I've been trying to keep my personal threats and promises down - at least to a dull roar.
I was so mad last night, I can't begin. Anonymous13:19 might be a coward, but that doesn't mean the rest of us are. The founders fought the revolution with 3% of the population. Maybe nothing will happen. Maybe it will. It will if they show up at my doorstep. I am F'ing done being bullied. The only reason the whole lot of them haven't been killed is because we all know the collapse is coming, and they won't be able to a damn thing after..
After the collapse they won't be able to afford police. After the collapse they only way they can pay is in ill-gotten loot - the spoils of war. The battle lines will be clearly defined. The Shooting will start then. Or they will leave us alone. And I don't think we care which.
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(I know this contains some astounding generalities but bear with me ;-)
There is one thing that really baffles me.....who will protect the left when the walls fall down?
I know that some conservatives live in urban areas but by~n~large big cities are leftist cesspools. And one significant aspect of big cities vs. suburbia -> rural areas is the concentration of blokes prone to acts of mayhem. How would you like to be pressed into a crowded area with the dregs of life all around you and suddenly find the necessity to fend for yourself? Warm & fuzzy or cold shiver time?
Are any of these klowns considering the consequences of the acts they are putting into play?
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I wonder if Lara Logan's credentials as an upstanding lib and member of the MFM helped her much in Tahriri square?
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There is one thing that really baffles me.....who will protect the left when the walls fall down?
No one. I know folks who will go hunting- they plan to start a "long-pig" BBQ restaurant. The left always want the govt to bully others into ignoring their behavior- into paying the consequences of it. And when the Govt is no longer there.. there will be no reason to consider them worthy of saving.
As the liberals who ask what good your AR-15 is if a Govt Swat team, tank or drone is coming to your home, you say "its plenty good for taking out my revenge on the likes of you before they get here."
NO. MERCY. Because they would have none on you if tables were turned. There is no point in showing mercy, kindness or civility to a savage barbarian who lives only by the forced tribute of the productive.
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There is one thing that really baffles me.....who will protect the left when the walls fall down?
No one. I know folks who will go hunting- they plan to start a "long-pig" BBQ restaurant. The left always want the govt to bully others into ignoring their behavior- into paying the consequences of it. And when the Govt is no longer there.. there will be no reason to consider them worthy of saving.
As the liberals who ask what good your AR-15 is if a Govt Swat team, tank or drone is coming to your home, you say "its plenty good for taking out my revenge on the likes of you before they get here."
NO. MERCY. Because they would have none on you if tables were turned. There is no point in showing mercy, kindness or civility to a savage barbarian who lives only by the forced tribute of the productive.
Mercy would be an endgame, there will be no mercy.
We could devolve another fifty years and in that
time who knows.
It is not unlike "pick another place", there is no
better place and it appears the whole of the first,
second, and third worlds are as hell bent on devolving
as we are. On and on
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The slow boil or instant death is an old choice....and evil depends on us choosing the slow death....as if slowly is better than quickly. In the end, death is death. One might even be less painful than another.
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I do not see why a ballot initiative to overturn these laws would not be possible and likely successful. If Colorado can pass a law via ballot initiative to legalize pot then overturning unconstitutional gun control laws seems like fair game.
In any event, since I live in CO, I will not comply. I will purchase any capacity magazine I like in Texas and personally import it. I will purchase any firearm I like in Texas and personally import it. I will build any rifle I like and the CO gov can pound sand.
I don't know anyone where I live who would comply with this abomination.
Come and take it, asshats.
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Civil disobedience on a massive scale they cannot handle without going full Nazi and kicking in doors, at some point people who value liberty are going ot have to go all-in. Call the statist bluff, they made their illegal laws, let them enforce them. If it sparks the fire of general rebellion, so be it.
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I do not see why a ballot initiative to overturn these laws would not be possible and likely successful. If Colorado can pass a law via ballot initiative to legalize pot then overturning unconstitutional gun control laws seems like fair game.
Not if the pools are correct. Out 2 Million California refugees locusts support them. They all think gun control laws keep them "safe" - they don't trust themselves with a gun because they know they couldn't be trusted with it, being natural bullies and all. And they don't trsut you with a gun because you are the person they are planning to bully. It might be close and its worth the effort. But I wouldn't hold out too much hope.
I just wish we could pass a law punishing any legislator for introducing a gun control bill with death.
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I do not see why a ballot initiative to overturn these laws would not be possible and likely successful. If Colorado can pass a law via ballot initiative to legalize pot then overturning unconstitutional gun control laws seems like fair game.
Not if the pools are correct. Out 2 Million California refugees locusts support them. They all think gun control laws keep them "safe" - they don't trust themselves with a gun because they know they couldn't be trusted with it, being natural bullies and all. And they don't trsut you with a gun because you are the person they are planning to bully. It might be close and its worth the effort. But I wouldn't hold out too much hope.
I just wish we could pass a law punishing any legislator for introducing a gun control bill with death.
::clapping::
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I would like a Constitutional amendment stating that all statutory law enacted by normal legislative process shall have a built-in expiration of not more than 10 years. To enact statutes without a built-in expiration, a larger super majority would be required. So fundamental, obvious laws that everyone agrees on would not be affected, but laws passed for dubious reasons of political grandstanding would not be able to ruin future generations indefinitely.
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All that will be left for our survivors...assuming we win the war...and the land isn't scorched...and...
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I would like a Constitutional amendment stating that all statutory law enacted by normal legislative process shall have a built-in expiration of not more than 10 years. To enact statutes without a built-in expiration, a larger super majority would be required. So fundamental, obvious laws that everyone agrees on would not be affected, but laws passed for dubious reasons of political grandstanding would not be able to ruin future generations indefinitely.
That is a really good idea. That is better than term limits - because it limits the dubious laws themselves.
Add in a provision that individual states may nullify a law within their borders, and if 25% or 33% (not sure which number) of states do so, the law is nullified country wide, and we have a real winner.
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Another benefit to this idea is that any given legislative session would find itself largely preoccupied with reviewing legislation set to expire and going through the debates about whether or not to reenact it.
I've always viewed gridlock as a feature, and so did the Framers. It pushes one of my buttons whenever I hear people arguing about needing to fast track this or that, eliminate filibusters, and so on. No. These jackals need to be preoccupied with busywork as much as possible.
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Another benefit to this idea is that any given legislative session would find itself largely preoccupied with reviewing legislation set to expire and going through the debates about whether or not to reenact it.
I've always viewed gridlock as a feature, and so did the Framers. It pushes one of my buttons whenever I hear people arguing about needing to fast track this or that, eliminate filibusters, and so on. No. These jackals need to be preoccupied with busywork as much as possible.
YES! But in their home districts, not in DC, by limiting the time Congress can be in session. That ought to help bring 'em down to earth quick enough. We can add incentive by de-air conditioning the Capitol building/s.
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Another benefit to this idea is that any given legislative session would find itself largely preoccupied with reviewing legislation set to expire and going through the debates about whether or not to reenact it.
I've always viewed gridlock as a feature, and so did the Framers. It pushes one of my buttons whenever I hear people arguing about needing to fast track this or that, eliminate filibusters, and so on. No. These jackals need to be preoccupied with busywork as much as possible.
YES! But in their home districts, not in DC, by limiting the time Congress can be in session. That ought to help bring 'em down to earth quick enough. We can add incentive by de-air conditioning the Capitol building/s.
Wyoming has that-limited in term session. Get it done, or it doesn't get done. They are a citizen legislature too. They don't get compensated enough that it can be their full time job.
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Speaking of overwhelming the jackals with busy-work...
I know this is a thread-jack, but what about a movement to encourage individuals to file multiple bogus tax returns? If every taxpayer who stands opposed to this illegitimate federal government would file 5-10 additional paper returns with bogus names and bogus social security numbers and bogus earning totals, leaving out "required" documents like W-2s and 1099s... wouldn't the IRS be overwhelmed?
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Hey! That was my idea when I Go Galt!
OK, we all can do it I guess!
;D
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Speaking of overwhelming the jackals with busy-work...
I know this is a thread-jack, but what about a movement to encourage individuals to file multiple bogus tax returns? If every taxpayer who stands opposed to this illegitimate federal government would file 5-10 additional paper returns with bogus names and bogus social security numbers and bogus earning totals, leaving out "required" documents like W-2s and 1099s... wouldn't the IRS be overwhelmed?
Hijack or not - I like the way you think! ::thumbsup::
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Speaking of overwhelming the jackals with busy-work...
I know this is a thread-jack, but what about a movement to encourage individuals to file multiple bogus tax returns? If every taxpayer who stands opposed to this illegitimate federal government would file 5-10 additional paper returns with bogus names and bogus social security numbers and bogus earning totals, leaving out "required" documents like W-2s and 1099s... wouldn't the IRS be overwhelmed?
Hijack or not - I like the way you think! ::thumbsup::
Take it a step further. File fake returns in the names of known liberals and illegals. Make sure that the return shows that a refund is due. That way if it actually goes through and a check is cut the mark will receive (and almost certainly spend) monies which are not due. When the IRS eventually realizes the mistakes they will then pursue the "filers" and the money.
Good times, good times.
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I've gotta start looking for some mags while I am down in Texas. I am fairly well supplied with AR and Mini14 mags (oh yeah, and 10/22 mags, too) but I need to start building up a supply of AK mags to go with the builds that I am working on. As things stand right now I ordered one 30 round AK mag with the AK parts kit but as soon as this legislation is signed I will not be able to order any more of them directly. This is, of course, merely an inconvenience for me.
I can and will order up as many AK mags (or any others) as I want and have them delivered to one of my Texas addresses. I can then have them shipped on to my CO address. CO statists can suck it. I will not comply with that particular piece of BS.
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"File fake returns in the names of known liberals and illegals." Win, win! ::thumbsup:: ::thumbsup::
"CO statists can suck it." They all can suck it! Here's to the freedom fighters! ::beertoast::
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Speaking of overwhelming the jackals with busy-work...
I know this is a thread-jack, but what about a movement to encourage individuals to file multiple bogus tax returns? If every taxpayer who stands opposed to this illegitimate federal government would file 5-10 additional paper returns with bogus names and bogus social security numbers and bogus earning totals, leaving out "required" documents like W-2s and 1099s... wouldn't the IRS be overwhelmed?
Hijack or not - I like the way you think! ::thumbsup::
Take it a step further. File fake returns in the names of known liberals and illegals. Make sure that the return shows that a refund is due. That way if it actually goes through and a check is cut the mark will receive (and almost certainly spend) monies which are not due. When the IRS eventually realizes the mistakes they will then pursue the "filers" and the money.
Good times, good times.
Won't the IRS just reject the return with invalid SSAN's?
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Won't the IRS just reject the return with invalid SSAN's?
If Obama could obtain 26 SSN numbers in his name, including ones form States where he never lived, I don't see why it would be difficult to obtain valid SSNs - the dead are always a good source. How Secure is you HR department PC? Got any like-minded people in IT or HR? Got any liberal co-workers in your company that need a lesson? SSNs are used almost everywhere now. Bank accounts, Employment forms, loan applications, Etc.
They are easy to get because that is part of how the grifter class prospers- fraud is rampant in the system. The A-holes depend on individuals like us playing by the rules. They depend upon our guilt at breaking the rules- doing something wrong. Liberals have no such guilt. The rules never apply to them, they are Nietzsche's Overmen. If it weren't for the double standards liberals would have no standards all. If they can draw 3 SSN checks on fake SSNs they have no qualms about doing it. Its not wrong to do do so. Its only wrong to get caught, and they won't be caught, because TPTB want them helping to Cloward-Piven the system. It no longer serves or benefits us in any way. Let it burn.
They DEPEND ON YOU FOLLOWING THE RULES. Don't. Join in the Cloward-Piven. Drive up thier costs. Make tax collection almost impossible. Make it so they can't tell the genuine return from the fakes without checking signatures by hand. Oh, yeah, its all very illegal, but so is collecting 3 SSN checks with fake numbers.
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Besides, overwhelm them with enough, some will no doubt match SSNs in their database, but even if the names don't match, they'll have to contact all the parties to find out who is who. Beat the statists at their won game, let them choke on Allinsky and Cloward & Piven tactics. What's not to like?
::stirpot::
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Maybe instead of new tax returns, how about filing amended returns? I would think those are more likely to be looked at by humans since they are requesting modifications of an existing return. With really hard to read writing. Anything that would make it less likely to be machine processed will require more man hours.
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Maybe instead of new tax returns, how about filing amended returns? I would think those are more likely to be looked at by humans since they are requesting modifications of an existing return. With really hard to read writing. Anything that would make it less likely to be machine processed will require more man hours.
Oh yeah, it goes without staying you should file amended returns. A lot of them. Because thatis perfectly legal. After all, doing my own taxes appears to be beyond my ability.. but do you know what I need? More "Assistance"
Every dollar we cost the IRS is another straw on the camel's back, and since its no longer our Camel, I no longer care what happens to it.
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Colorado Sheriff Won’t Enforce New Democratic Gun Control Laws (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/03/colorado-sheriff-wont-enforce-new-democratic-gun-control-laws/)
Weld County Sheriff John Cooke won’t enforce new state gun measures expected to be signed into law by Democratic Gov. John Hickenlooper, arguing the proposed firearms restrictions give a “false sense of security.”
Lawmakers in Colorado on Friday approved a landmark expansion of background checks on firearm purchases. Earlier in the week, Colorado lawmakers approved a 15-round limit on ammunition magazines.
Both measures are awaiting the expected approval of the governor.
Cooke told GreeleyTribune.com that Democrats in the state legislature are uninformed and scrambling in response to the Aurora movie theater shooting and other recent tragedies.
“They’re feel-good, knee-jerk reactions that are unenforceable,” he told the news outlet.
The bill passed Friday expands cases when a $10 criminal background check would be required to legally transfer a gun. Republicans have opposed the bill, calling it an undue burden on law-abiding gun owners.
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You know what the libiots will say...Weld County? Bunch of gun-crazed bitter-clinging right-wing types...but on the merits the Sheriff is right. But the libiots do not care about right or rights, they'll just throw crap up in the air and push for more. Next it will be restricting to 10, then 7, then one and none. People need to start embracing the breaking of bad laws and learn the acronym FMCDH!
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Colorado sheriffs: Sorry, but these new gun laws would be kind of unenforceable (http://hotair.com/archives/2013/03/18/colorado-sheriffs-sorry-but-these-new-gun-laws-would-be-kind-of-unenforceable/)
Cooke is joined in his opposition to the proposals by El Paso County Sheriff Terry Maketa, who told an angry packed crowd at a meeting on Thursday in Colorado Springs he would stand firm against the bills.
“I can’t tell you when those [magazines] were sold, bought and purchased. As far as I’m concerned, they were all pre-July 1 if the governor does sign this bill,” he said.
Maketa said the proposed laws were hastily crafted and at least one would be unenforceable. A number of Colorado sheriffs are concerned the laws could lead to registration of gun owners, he said.
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Makes sense being Colorado Springs, probably most conservative county there, eh?
But good, let there be an avalanche of pooping on this idiotic an unconstitutional attempt!
::thumbsup::
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And we can savor the irony of liberals complaining about selective enforcement of laws.
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Libtards get their panties in a bunch over an identification card fee saying that it constitutes an unconstitutional poll tax. Where are the libs crying foul against the unconstitutional arms tax?
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Libtards get their panties in a bunch over an identification card fee saying that it constitutes an unconstitutional poll tax. Where are the libs crying foul against the unconstitutional arms tax?
Pfffft. I *know* you can't possibly be asking for integrity from 'em .........
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Magpul (http://www.facebook.com/magpul/posts/574891122523241):
Apparently Gov Hickenlooper has announced that he will sign HB 1224 on Wednesday. We were asked for our reaction, and here is what we said:
We have said all along that based on the legal problems and uncertainties in the bill, as well as general principle, we will have no choice but to leave if the Governor signs this into law. We will start our transition out of the state almost immediately, and we will prioritize moving magazine manufacturing operations first. We expect the first PMAGs to be made outside CO within 30 days of the signing, with the rest to follow in phases. We will likely become a multi-state operation as a result of this move, and not all locations have been selected. We have made some initial contacts and evaluated a list of new potential locations for additional manufacturing and the new company headquarters, and we will begin talks with various state representatives in earnest if the Governor indeed signs this legislation. Although we are agile for a company of our size, it is still a significant footprint, and we will perform this move in a manner that is best for the company and our employees.
It is disappointing to us that money and a social agenda from outside the state have apparently penetrated the American West to control our legislature and Governor, but we feel confident that Colorado residents can still take the state back through recalls, ballot initiatives, and the 2014 election to undo these wrongs against responsible Citizens.
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Magpul (http://www.facebook.com/magpul/posts/574891122523241):
Apparently Gov Hickenlooper has announced that he will sign HB 1224 on Wednesday. We were asked for our reaction, and here is what we said:
We have said all along that based on the legal problems and uncertainties in the bill, as well as general principle, we will have no choice but to leave if the Governor signs this into law. We will start our transition out of the state almost immediately, and we will prioritize moving magazine manufacturing operations first. We expect the first PMAGs to be made outside CO within 30 days of the signing, with the rest to follow in phases. We will likely become a multi-state operation as a result of this move, and not all locations have been selected. We have made some initial contacts and evaluated a list of new potential locations for additional manufacturing and the new company headquarters, and we will begin talks with various state representatives in earnest if the Governor indeed signs this legislation. Although we are agile for a company of our size, it is still a significant footprint, and we will perform this move in a manner that is best for the company and our employees.
It is disappointing to us that money and a social agenda from outside the state have apparently penetrated the American West to control our legislature and Governor, but we feel confident that Colorado residents can still take the state back through recalls, ballot initiatives, and the 2014 election to undo these wrongs against responsible Citizens.
Gov. Lickinpooper may find himself out of a job over this .
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Gov. Lickinpooper may find himself out of a job over this .
Then he'll get off easy.
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Gov. Lickinpooper may find himself out of a job over this .
Then he'll get off easy.
Got that right! The least he ought to get is to be run out of the state on a rail and tarred & feathered!
Hope others join Magpul, these asshats do this, it has to hurt and hurt bad.
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Did that asshat cHickenPlooper sign this BS?
This is the latest I see coming out of CO -
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-20/prisons-chief-shot-dead-as-colorado-poised-to-tighten-gun-laws.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-20/prisons-chief-shot-dead-as-colorado-poised-to-tighten-gun-laws.html)
Wouldn't be surprised to learn this was commit ed with anti-Constitutionalist assistance!
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Yeah, when's the next mass shooting? Surely they've already got a wind-up toy identified and positioned, fed his psychotropic drugs. I figured when the AWB encountered resistance in Congress it would be about time for a follow up event to drive the message home.
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Saving the latter for when Feinswine introduces her stand alone gun-ban bill.
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Hickenlooper (http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22831085/colorado-gov-hickenlooper-signs-key-gun-control-bills)
[Doug] Smith [owner of Magpul] noted that he will meet with economic developers from Nebraska, Texas and Wyoming in the coming weeks and the company is likely to have multiple locations in the future.
"This ordeal has taught us to be more diverse geographically," Smith said.
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If this crap keeps up many will be pulling an Ellis Wyatt and Go Galt and let the looters pick through the smoldering remains. All that remains is Obama signing Directive 10-289 and it will be over.
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Geographically diverse; nothing east of 95°, very interesting. No SC. Speculating, Doug likes the mountain air but doesn't intend to be stranded regardless.
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Magpul says they'll be manufacturing the first products outside of occupied Colorado within 30 days.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/03/ammo-manufacturer-magpul-says-move-from-occupied-colorado-already-underway/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/03/ammo-manufacturer-magpul-says-move-from-occupied-colorado-already-underway/)
::USA:: ::clapping:: ::USA::
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It is a good day when a weapons manufacturer takes a firm and unequivocal stance against tyranny. We can see that when it comes down to it, at least some of the people who make weapons are willing to choose sides. That is not insignificant.
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I see they make iPhone cases now. I might have to buy one even though I've been pleased with the OtterBox case I have now.
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CHickenPlooper thinks he will not pay a price for his anti-2nd Amendment actions and driving business out of the state.
http://www.9news.com/news/politics/321188/166/Hickenlooper-doesnt-think-gun-control-will-cost-him-re-election (http://www.9news.com/news/politics/321188/166/Hickenlooper-doesnt-think-gun-control-will-cost-him-re-election)
Y'all in the so-called "small minority" gonna take that? ::saywhat::
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CHickenPlooper thinks he will not pay a price for his anti-2nd Amendment actions and driving business out of the state.
http://www.9news.com/news/politics/321188/166/Hickenlooper-doesnt-think-gun-control-will-cost-him-re-election (http://www.9news.com/news/politics/321188/166/Hickenlooper-doesnt-think-gun-control-will-cost-him-re-election)
Y'all in the so-called "small minority" gonna take that? ::saywhat::
It may not cost him re-election. 10 Years ago we had 3 Million people living here. Now its 5 Million, with the balance coming from California. And now since the Dems have announced they plan to cheat in all future elections, there is no reason to suppose he won't win re-election. We have two libtard senators too.
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I don't know for sure, but I would expect that a large number of Leftist Coloradans are watching the gun manufacturers leaving with a great deal of satisfaction and schadenfreude. They dont want their state polluted with those nasty symbols of liberty and American heritage. There's a state to destroy and a Leftist Utopia to create. The loss of a few manufacturing jobs is a small price to pay for purging of the Right from Colorado.
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It is a shame what is happening in Colorado. I first went to Colorado in 1974 on a family trip and I loved it there (have been back many times since). At the time I saw many cars that that had bumper stickers with the word native on them.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xOJzUnTDY5M/URxYr9VAlQI/AAAAAAAAUI8/UbXM8isMxYo/s1600/130214+2+Colorado+plates.JPG)
I asked what the Native meant. I was told there were so many transplants from California coming to Colorado and it was a way to protest the influx. That was 40 years ago. I see it here in Minnesocold too with all the lefty transplants from New York.
It gets so ::cussing:: frustrating dealing with lefties and observing the destruction they bring. When the area(s) they live in get ruined they move on to other states and destroy them.
Dennis Prager is right when he says "the left destroys everything it touches".
Hopefully Colorado can and will come back, it is such a beautiful state. It makes me SICK that the left for now anyway is running ruining it.
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It is a shame what is happening in Colorado. I first went to Colorado in 1974 on a family trip and I loved it there (have been back many times since). At the time I saw many cars that that had bumper stickers with the word native on them.
Once upon a time you could get license plates with the word native. They got rid of those when the new lefty transplants claimed it was insulting to the American Indians. I was born here. I am Native to this state. Funny how the "progressives" seem to worry an awful lot about history that is over 100 years old, you know, expect when that history doesn't bolster what they want to beleive.
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Californicated. And those locusts care not what they destroy. Until we treat locusts like pests, it will only get much much worse. I guess fat ignorant and lazy Americans are fine with that. Doesn't sit well with me at all, when the time comes there will be no mercy given to them, the proponents or enablers! Not taking a stand is making a choice to side with the destroyers of liberty. They are already dead to me.
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This is pretty effed up too!
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/05/will-a-new-colorado-law-give-local-police-powers-to-the-secret-service-in-that-state/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/05/will-a-new-colorado-law-give-local-police-powers-to-the-secret-service-in-that-state/)
Sheriff's should ask for civilians to volunteer to be unpaid deputies, I'd do that in a heartbeat if it means checking Federal tyrants and their in-state co-conspirators!
These traitors to liberty need to see an aroused and armed populace willing to get in their faces!
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88.7% of CO Sheriffs on the side of Americans and their rights, God Bless them!
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/22/were-not-going-to-tolerate-it-colo-sheriffs-unite-to-block-unenforceable-gun-control-legislation/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/22/were-not-going-to-tolerate-it-colo-sheriffs-unite-to-block-unenforceable-gun-control-legislation/)
MOAR!!!!
::clapping:: ::cool:: ::bustamove:: ::thumbsup:: ::USA:: ::danceban:: ::whoohoo::
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Here's a bit of good news... (http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/red-pill-blue-bill/2013/jun/3/sen-john-morse-recalled/)
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo., June 3, 2013 — Petition signatures filed with the Colorado Secretary of State’s office are more than sufficient to recall state senator John Morse (D). The recall is the first recall of a Colorado legislator in the state’s history.
The Recall Morse committee filed over 16,000 signatures, more than double the required number.
It's good to be historic.
So, one down. Two more to go.
mrs. trapeze and I have both signed, of course.
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Trap, I love this bit from the linked article:
Harris is a project manager by profession and he put those skills to good use during the recall effort. Every weekend there was a drawing for prizes among those who turned in the most signatures which included 30-round Magpul magazines.
This, reported the Colorado Springs Gazette, had never been done before.
The grand prize, a Glock pistol, was awarded Sunday to former state representative Larry Liston, who has been very active in collecting signatures.
Nothing like a little 'sales' incentive.
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There's one little niggling thing about the Colorado Sheriff's opposition to this legislation: They keep citing its "unenforceability" as the reason they will not support it. Not its unconstitutionality. Thus, the implication is that if the bill had been written in a way as to make it enforceable, they would be supporting it.
That bothers me. I'm glad they oppose it. But that bothers me.
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I hear ya IDP...it strikes me as an intentionally nuanced word for their official statements...allows those who view it as unconstitutional and/or unenforceable to get along on this opposition effort...unless one takes a poll of the membership we really have no idea what the split is...so in essence we are back to square one in that we never can be sure who in LE is on our Founders side.
I do like that incentive though! A pistol and high-cap mags! Priceless! In your face, libiots! ::whoohoo::
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You can take the position that it is unenforceable because, among other things, it is unconstitutional.
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You can take the position that it is unenforceable because, among other things, it is unconstitutional.
Yeah, you could. But you hear what I'm saying.
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There's one little niggling thing about the Colorado Sheriff's opposition to this legislation: They keep citing its "unenforceability" as the reason they will not support it. Not its unconstitutionality. Thus, the implication is that if the bill had been written in a way as to make it enforceable, they would be supporting it.
That bothers me. I'm glad they oppose it. But that bothers me.
Its about 90% of the Sherriffs.. they are poviding cover for those in the Democratic counties. If you watch some pressers some say its unconstitutional as well, but they are pushnig the unenforcable nature of it to the press because that is what the collition is based on. No democrats supports the constitution. They can't, as that document declares the exisitence of inalienable rights, and the dems fundamentally don't believe other people have rights.
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I agree with IDP, but I think they are motivated by ideological opposition rather than pragmatism, which is good. The entire "War on Drugs" is unenforceable, but that hasn't stopped police wasting billions (trillions?) of dollars over the past several decades pursuing it. So I think their opposition to new gun laws is motivated by more than its unenforceability.
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I agree with IDP, but I think they are motivated by ideological opposition rather than pragmatism, which is good. The entire "War on Drugs" is unenforceable, but that hasn't stopped police wasting billions (trillions?) of dollars over the past several decades pursuing it. So I think their opposition to new gun laws is motivated by more than its unenforceability.
So in other words, they are ideologically opposed but too afraid to say it, so they couch their opposition in terms that will be politically palatable, thus avoiding the primary discussion that we must have as a nation if liberty is to survive.
Think of what a boon it would be to liberty if County Sheriffs in Colorado and across the nation locked arms and proclaimed Colorado's law and any like it unconstitutional, and refused to enforce those laws on that ground alone.
Instead, we get Sheriffs trying to cover their ass - too afraid to deal with an assault on liberty head-on - avoiding the real issue of constitutionality, and leaving the door wide open for Colorado or its copycats to make their anti-2A laws "better" and "enforceable".
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Absolutely fair points, and I've been thinking along the same line as well. I guess it's a testament to how far gone we are as a free republic that I immediately dismiss such a possibility as pure fantasy.
One of our biggest problems is that non-committal "nuance" has become associated with cleverness and reasonableness. It's resulted in the proliferation of wordy nonsense and lawyerese in everything. In the public sphere, nobody will just say what they think or mean, for fear of being called this or that. I associate this with the overall emasculation of the culture.
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I associate it to people not taking responsibility for their actions and words.
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Colorado appears to have recalled anti-gun state senate majority leader and cohort. (http://minx.cc/?post=343301)
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::bustamove::
NEXT!!
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Did you hear that asshat's statement? Was proud to be tossed out on his ass for doing the right thing.
Right thing? Curbing peoples rights? Uhh huh...let's see how you piss and moan when something you value is taken away!
Oh wait, it already has, they took your job away!
I'll bet a paycheck this asshat finds a libiot stronghold to run in and he'll be back...assholes this useless cannot stand being away from the only thing they've ever known - a government job with power and perks to lord over others less deserving!
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Hooray! Dems repaced with Republicans.
Republicans who will do nothing but smile and refuse to do anything to actually repeal what has been done now they are in office. .
A stunning victory for our side. .
Hooray!
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Hooray! Dems repaced with Republicans.
Republicans who will do nothing but smile and refuse to do anything to actually repeal what has been done now they are in office. .
A stunning victory for our side. .
Hooray!
To be fair, the Legislature is still controlled by Democraps, and the governor is a Democrap. With these wins, at least the Pubbies can stop further erosion of citizens' liberties. One pebble can create an avalanche.
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Wasserfatass-Schlitzed: "This was voter suppression, pure and simple."
http://twitchy.com/2013/09/11/wasserman-schultz-on-colo-recall-results-this-was-voter-suppression-pure-and-simple/ (http://twitchy.com/2013/09/11/wasserman-schultz-on-colo-recall-results-this-was-voter-suppression-pure-and-simple/)
::hysterical::
::smallestviolin::
::mooning::
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"Democratic National Committee chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz has an interesting theory behind Tuesday’s recall of Democratic Colorado state senators Angela Giron and John Morse after they helped pass new controversial gun control laws earlier this year.
“This was voter suppression, pure and simple,” Wasserman Schultz said in a DNC statement."
"Tuesday’s low turnout was a result of efforts by the NRA, the Koch brothers and other right wing groups who know that when more people vote, Democrats win"
Really, Debbie? I swear to God, it just amazes me how these people have absolutely no shame. Zero.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/11/dnc-chairs-excuse-for-colorado-voter-suppression-pure-and-simple/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/11/dnc-chairs-excuse-for-colorado-voter-suppression-pure-and-simple/)
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Maddy, I merged your thread with the thread already running on the same topic.
-IDP
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Yup, Maddy...people without either soul or conscience never experience shame...they just feel dissatisfied or less dissatisfied, and it takes a heck of a lot for them to feel less dissatisfied today than it did yesterday...and they always need to spread their misery outward on everybody else in order to feel less dissatisfied...
In short, they suck.
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Oh, this is soooo rich .......
Refusing to accept her defeat gracefully, recalled Colorado state Sen. Angela Giron appeared on CNN Thursday to blame her embarrassing ouster on “voter suppression.”
... “We know what really happened here. Yes, we had the strong NRA and you have a person like Mr. Head, but what this story is really about, it’s about voter suppression,” Giron said.
The former state senator claimed that 70 percent of Colorado residents vote by mail, but there was no mail-in voting for the recall election. Surprisingly, she was quickly called out by a CNN anchor.
“OK, forgive me, but I’m going to cut you off right there. Because if we talk voter suppression, I’ve read reports on lack of popularity on your behalf. Let’s just not go there,” CNN’s Brooke Baldwin said.
Being reprimanded by the CNN anchor left Giron looking like this:
(http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/FirefoxScreenSnapz031.jpg)
Baldwin went on to remind Giron that she and Morse were backed by “mega, mega cash” from Michael Bloomberg’s Mayors Against Illegal Guns compared to the “grassroots effort” to recall the lawmakers over a number of unpopular gun control laws.
... “What happened?” Baldwin asked.
Giron, visibly flustered, replied: “I’m telling you what happened is that you had, um, only, um, 30,000 of the voters, who in the last election, off-year election, was 45,000. So the people that are, um, in support of very common sense, um, gun legislation weren’t able to get to the polls. They vote by ballot and they have been doing that for 25 years. We have to call it for what it is.”
Yeah, we will call it for what it is, toots; y'all weren't allowed to get away with voter/absentee ballot fraud.
Giron then proceed to denigrate the voters' intelligence ...
The Democrat then sought to downplay the fact that her recall was clearly based on her support of gun control measures. She claimed that the voters she talked to didn’t believe that universal background checks and limiting magazine capacity to 15 rounds infringe on the Second Amendment.
“People didn’t know what it was about. There was voter confusion,” she added. “We didn’t even know what the rules of the game were.”
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Angela Giron, one of the CO idiots tossed out on her behind...
In an interview clip below, Giron blames the NRA for the Navy Yard shooting. Giron feels the NRA keeps trying to convince people—out of greed—that “more guns equals safety. And in this case in particular, we can look at, it was a Navy Yard. You couldn’t have any more armed people than in that case right there.”
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/09/colorado-gun-grabber-angela-giron-confirms-why-she-was-recalled/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/09/colorado-gun-grabber-angela-giron-confirms-why-she-was-recalled/)
DC's Capitol PD story posted here - http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=8902.new#new (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=8902.new#new)
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Angela Giron, one of the CO idiots tossed out on her behind...
In an interview clip below, Giron blames the NRA for the Navy Yard shooting. Giron feels the NRA keeps trying to convince people—out of greed—that “more guns equals safety. And in this case in particular, we can look at, it was a Navy Yard. You couldn’t have any more armed people than in that case right there.”
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/09/colorado-gun-grabber-angela-giron-confirms-why-she-was-recalled/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/09/colorado-gun-grabber-angela-giron-confirms-why-she-was-recalled/)
DC's Capitol PD story posted here - http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=8902.new#new (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=8902.new#new)
Idiot.
Navy base is weapon-free zone. Only folks with guns are security.
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President Clinton signed an executive order preventing folks from being armed on base. ANY President could repeal that and make our bases much safer just that easily. I just wish we had a President.
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President Clinton signed an executive order preventing folks from being armed on base. ANY President could repeal that and make our bases much safer just that easily. I just wish we had a President.
Rayciss.
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Angela Giron, one of the CO idiots tossed out on her behind...
In an interview clip below, Giron blames the NRA for the Navy Yard shooting. Giron feels the NRA keeps trying to convince people—out of greed—that “more guns equals safety. And in this case in particular, we can look at, it was a Navy Yard. You couldn’t have any more armed people than in that case right there.”
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/09/colorado-gun-grabber-angela-giron-confirms-why-she-was-recalled/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/09/colorado-gun-grabber-angela-giron-confirms-why-she-was-recalled/)
DC's Capitol PD story posted here - http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=8902.new#new (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=8902.new#new)
Idiot.
Navy base is weapon-free zone. Only folks with guns are security.
And according to what I've heard, even security on a lot of these bases are under orders to have weapons with no ammunition in the magazines.
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Stop, or I'll say stop again.
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Angela Giron, one of the CO idiots tossed out on her behind...
In an interview clip below, Giron blames the NRA for the Navy Yard shooting. Giron feels the NRA keeps trying to convince people—out of greed—that “more guns equals safety. And in this case in particular, we can look at, it was a Navy Yard. You couldn’t have any more armed people than in that case right there.”
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/09/colorado-gun-grabber-angela-giron-confirms-why-she-was-recalled/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/09/colorado-gun-grabber-angela-giron-confirms-why-she-was-recalled/)
DC's Capitol PD story posted here - http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=8902.new#new (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=8902.new#new)
Idiot.
Navy base is weapon-free zone. Only folks with guns are security.
And according to what I've heard, even security on a lot of these bases are under orders to have weapons with no ammunition in the magazines.
That was never the case back in my day, at least for primary access points, inside the security would be standard issue watch gear - flashlight & baton on a watch belt and a walkie-talkie hooked up to watch base, watch base able to flick channels to main base security, other watch bases, tower, etc. And even that was a change from 50's & 60's when flightline watches had sidearms. It's gone downhill since...they have to start arming people standing watch or really, what's the point?
As for blank mags...again, what's the point?
By the time you call in the Marines or MP's with arms...whatever terrible deed is likely already done.
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Stop, or I'll say stop again.
Sounds like a Monty Python skit. ::facepalm::
By the time they are stopped, well, that's too late.
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By the time you call in the Marines or MP's with arms...whatever terrible deed is likely already done.
And if it isn't, they will order you to stand down until it is.
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By the time you call in the Marines or MP's with arms...whatever terrible deed is likely already done.
And if it isn't, they will order you to stand down until it is.
The de-masculinization process will continue until all minds are brainwashed and people are no better than mindless automatons carrying out central authority orders...no matter what those orders might entail...
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Yes, you can always "shelter in place" and use a pair of scissors to defend yourself. Or have they by now mandated safety scissors like you had in kindergarten? Shelter in place....in other words, curl up into a fetal position and wait for the lunatic-pumped-full-of-psychopharmaceuticals to stroll calmly through the room shooting people in the head.
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..."shelter in place"...
::cussing:: pansies!
Of course my own jackwagon-run outfit has a company policy basically saying the same thing...I flat out told my boss, bad people come in here first thing I do is grab anything I can use as a weapon and go and kill them...second thing I do (presuming I survive) is sue the company into oblivion for banning guns.
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..."shelter in place"...
::cussing:: pansies!
Of course my own jackwagon-run outfit has a company policy basically saying the same thing...I flat out told my boss, bad people come in here first thing I do is grab anything I can use as a weapon and go and kill them...second thing I do (presuming I survive) is sue the company into oblivion for banning guns.
If you think you could get by with it, I'd be prepared with something other than makeshift defensive tools. A laptop isn't the only thing I bring to work IYKWIMAITYD.
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..."shelter in place"...
::cussing:: pansies!
Of course my own jackwagon-run outfit has a company policy basically saying the same thing...I flat out told my boss, bad people come in here first thing I do is grab anything I can use as a weapon and go and kill them...second thing I do (presuming I survive) is sue the company into oblivion for banning guns.
If you think you could get by with it, I'd be prepared with something other than makeshift defensive tools. A laptop isn't the only thing I bring to work IYKWIMAITYD.
IKWYM ;)
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shelter in place
I hate that phrase.
Intensely.
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shelter in place
I hate that phrase.
Intensely.
Yessss. It's "we're your betters"-speak for tuck your head between your knees and kiss your butt g'bye.
So, they can take their "advice" and shovel it.
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shelter in place
I hate that phrase.
Intensely.
They say that so they know where to go to recover the bodies.
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Now, over 3 years later, the final capitulation after the predictable civil disobedience against it and in the face of Liberty-centric Sheriff's...Colorado repeals magazine ban (http://iotwreport.com/colorado-repealing-magazine-ban/), and all the Anti-2A assclowns got was Magpul to relocate to Texas and cost their state jobs!
Maybe Louisiana and others than went this route will suffer the same fate...or go deeper into tyranny...