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Title: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: trapeze on April 16, 2013, 10:31:57 AM
I am going to assume that islamofascists were behind yesterday's bombing. But whether they were or were not is really irrelevant to this topic.

The fact is that there is one and only one religion which:

- preaches violent and murderous jihad.
- demands sharia law.
- practices beheadings on those who do not follow it.
- treats women like cattle.

I could go and on. You could, too.

It has been over ten years since the September 11th destruction of the World Trade Center. Longer than that since the first attempt to bring it down. Longer than that since the USS Cole. Longer than that from various embassy bombings. Longer than that since the Berlin disco bombings. Longer than that since the Lockerbie Pan Am bombing.

I have wondered aloud and on these pages for over ten years why jihad has not struck our shores again. We have a myriad of soft targets and virtually no protection from foreign invaders bent on mayhem. For the last several months our southern border has been virtually wide open thanks to a feckless president and his allies in the MFM. Well, we just got gut punched and we had better get used to it because this is islam.

Islam, as we all know, is not a religion of peace and love. It is a religion of death and destruction which dictates the killing of all who oppose it.

Our Constitution protects religious freedom but, in my opinion, it is time to start a national discussion on banning islam. It will take a Constitutional amendment but it can and should be done. President Zero's supposed favorite president was Abraham Lincoln and we need to vocally remind everyone that Lincoln is credited with saying that the Constitution is not a suicide pact. When something that was heretofore Constitutionally protected becomes a threat to the existence of the state and its citizens it must be dealt with appropriately.

As the killings mount, as the bombings increase, how long will we...can we...suffer a religion in our midst which, by its very nature demands these acts of its followers?

We have seen our nation stunned and outraged over the killing of elementary school students by an insane person and the ridiculous reaction of the left leaning political hacks was to infringe on the freedom of law-abiding citizens. What will be our collective reaction when (not if) the jihadis target our schools?

This discussion needs to happen. We need to get this into the national consciousness as soon as possible. It isn't going to get better by itself.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: AmericanPatriot on April 16, 2013, 10:36:59 AM
That's a tough one, Trap.
Either we believe in the Constitutional protections or we don't.

I feel the same way about Muzzies and detest them completely, too.

Another point is how much more Liberty are we willing to give up for security?
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: IronDioPriest on April 16, 2013, 10:51:43 AM
Every free nation in the world that allows Islam to gain a foothold of organizational power has a muzloid problem that isn't going away.

I would ban Islam in a heartbeat, because it is my belief that the founders never considered the possibility that the Mohamedans would ever be an integral part of our society. It is clear that their intent was to prohibit an official sect of Christianity emanating from the federal government - the proof: colonial official state religions at the outset.

But Islam isn't going to be banned. Too many teary-eyed Islamic women and children with perfect American accents for the Leftists to trot out. It'll come down to it, just like the war with the Left.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 16, 2013, 11:12:56 AM
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But Islam isn't going to be banned. Too many teary-eyed Islamic women and children with perfect American accents for the Leftists to trot out. It'll come down to it, just like the war with the Left.

The leftists, regardless that the Pubbies gave it to them, have an upper hand and it won't happen.  Just like the economy is a result of lefty policies which could be simply resolved by eliminating regulation our terrorist problem could be eliminated by a few simple acts: expulsion of all muslims on our shores and attacking them anywhere in the world they inflict harm to ours.  As Ben Franklin said, "Don't Tread on Me".
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Libertas on April 16, 2013, 11:25:42 AM
That's a tough one, Trap.
Either we believe in the Constitutional protections or we don't.

I feel the same way about Muzzies and detest them completely, too.

Another point is how much more Liberty are we willing to give up for security?

None, and rollbacks of NADA, SkyNet, TSA etc needs to happen.

All the authorities have to do is throw pc/diversity/multi-culti insanity out the window and target the real perps...not granny...not Libertarians & Conservatives or so-called bitter-clingers...target the scum.  Then, secure the borders, period.  Then, no amnesty under any guise or flowery name, period.  Then, kill anybody anywhere in the world who threatens us and our citizens, no boots needed, just bomb the living sh*t out of them.  Don't screw with us, won't die...that should be our motto.

And yes, designate Islam a terrorist organization, anybody who doesn't like it can leave, those who stay better not test us, or its off to Gitmo!  And the scum already at Gitmo gets a pigs blood baptism followed by a firing squad and their remains tossed into the ocean.

Oh, and Trap, there is one religion that (depending upon the definition of "jihad" and "law") is matching the 7th Century Savages on every point except the beheadings (yet!) and that religion would be Liberalism!!!
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: trapeze on April 16, 2013, 11:51:45 AM
I am not talking about curtailing religious liberty or suppressing the Bill of Rights.

I am talking about banning a specific religion which is a deadly threat to our country and its citizens. There is no other religion on Earth like islam.

Islam and its practitioners are a menace to a free and open society.

All of the civil libertarians are always so proud of making sacrifices for the Bill of Rights...things like tolerating unpleasant speech. Big deal.

How many innocents must be sacrificed for islam at the alter of religious freedom?

I am not talking about a muslim holocaust where we round them up and execute them but at some point you have to confront the poisonous snake(s) with which you share a locked room. There is no other religion on earth that kills its opponents. Not anymore, anyway. Or at least not in such staggering numbers and employing such over-the-top violent measures.

I, personally, could not look any of the victims in the face and tell them that they just need to suck it up for religious freedom...take one for the team. At some point something will need to be done or the USA will become like every other country that has tolerated islam in its midst: Either a muslim state or a continuous state of religious civil war.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Alphabet Soup on April 16, 2013, 12:04:40 PM
Since islam is a death cult and not a religion there is no constitutional restraints against banning it. See how easy that is?

Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Libertas on April 16, 2013, 12:09:43 PM
Since islam is a death cult and not a religion there is no constitutional restraints against banning it. See how easy that is?



 ::clapping::
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: John Florida on April 16, 2013, 12:42:18 PM
  Banning isn't the answer but limiting their conduct might be more in line with what's needed. Like footbaths need to be available in their homes or churches,this crap about cashiers not handling pork needs to go away,cab drivers refusing to take dogs or booze that ends too.

  No more babes in a bag and on and on.Other than that they can worship whatever they want as long as it doesn't interfere with anyone else.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: trapeze on April 16, 2013, 01:19:32 PM
I don't see how any of that happens without a Constitutional amendment that specifically denies islam protection under the First Amendment.

Constitutional amendments are hard to do but I'm thinking that after a few more mass killings it will be an easier sell than the stupid ass gun control bill that the admin is currently peddling.

Try looking a double or triple amputee in the eye and telling him that islam is worth protecting because of religious freedom or something.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Glock32 on April 16, 2013, 01:24:24 PM
Since islam is a death cult and not a religion there is no constitutional restraints against banning it. See how easy that is?




This.

Islam is far more than just a religion or theology content to preoccupy itself with the souls of men and the hereafter. It is very much an earthly political movement. There is no coexisting with it. I remember reading about a naturalist in France sometime in the 1700s who had this idea of farming spiders so as to harvest their silk and weave it into new super strong material. He had a barn for the purpose, and put thousands of spiders in it. He quickly learned you cannot "farm" such creatures like you would cattle or horses. They all aggressively attacked the spiders adjacent to them until they were spaced far enough apart to leave each other alone. That is exactly how Islam is.

And honestly, it wouldn't even be a constitutional quandary if we didn't have such a thoroughly asinine immigration policy. Simply put, they never should have been allowed here in the first place, certainly not in large enough numbers to become a problem. The 1st Amendment says the government cannot establish an official religion, nor can it prohibit the free exercise of a religion. "Free exercise" means you can't tell them who to pray to or how, or what manner of dress they can wear, etc. It doesn't mean they are free to "exercise" their right to militate against everyone around them. If the ancient Aztec religion came back, would we tolerate human sacrifice as merely the free exercise of their religion?

I view Islam the same.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: trapeze on April 16, 2013, 01:27:07 PM
If something isn't done about stripping islam of its protections then there will eventually be lawless sectarian violence in the USA. We will become like Lebanon or any one of a number of middle eastern hell hole countries where muslims are killing whoever they disagree with and everyone else is killing the muslims. There really isn't any other future for islam in America. You can't negotiate with them when there is zero room for compromise. They say, "submit or die" and we (some of us, anyway) say, "come get some." It will be a mess.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Predator Don on April 16, 2013, 01:45:52 PM
If something isn't done about stripping islam of its protections then there will eventually be lawless sectarian violence in the USA. We will become like Lebanon or any one of a number of middle eastern hell hole countries where muslims are killing whoever they disagree with and everyone else is killing the muslims. There really isn't any other future for islam in America. You can't negotiate with them when there is zero room for compromise. They say, "submit or die" and we (some of us, anyway) say, "come get some." It will be a mess.


I'm afraid the ONLY way islam will be delt with is when they are here in force, proclaiming "submit or die"......And we make thier wish come true.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 16, 2013, 01:50:32 PM

Religion in the Constitution is used in reference to a spiritual unification to a deity in respect of life.  To be religious only means one adheres to his actions in consistent fashion, as in "he does his homework religiously.
Mohammedans religiously adhere to their vow that all others either convert to Islam, pay tribute, or die.  That is a declaration of war and according to US tradition and I think the Constitution, if an identifiable group (Mohammedans) is at war (jihad) with us we must do whatever is necessary to defend ourselves.

I am certain there are Muhammadans reading this who are genuinely good people, to those people I sincerely and respectfully ask that you convert to Christianity or some other diety respectful of life.  If you cannot or will not please leave this country.
 
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: trapeze on April 16, 2013, 02:11:15 PM
The statists have at one time or another threatened to strip certain churches of their tax exempt status for becoming involved in politics. Of course, other churches ignore this rule completely and remain untouched.

I find it difficult to believe, though, that someone would threaten a church with loss of tax exemption over a speech issue and NOT seriously consider banning a church or religion altogether for sponsoring/promoting/demanding violent and murderous jihad.

Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Pandora on April 16, 2013, 04:33:35 PM
Since islam is a death cult and not a religion there is no constitutional restraints against banning it. See how easy that is?



Yes, this.  islam is a total life-system, enforced by death-cult prescriptions and prohibitions, with a religious element.

The people in Waco had a religious element to the way they chose to live and the government massacred them despite/anyway.

See how easy *that* is?
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Pandora on April 16, 2013, 04:48:53 PM
Every free nation in the world that allows Islam to gain a foothold of organizational power has a muzloid problem that isn't going away.

I would ban Islam in a heartbeat, because it is my belief that the founders never considered the possibility that the Mohamedans would ever be an integral part of our society. It is clear that their intent was to prohibit an official sect of Christianity emanating from the federal government - the proof: colonial official state religions at the outset.

But Islam isn't going to be banned. Too many teary-eyed Islamic women and children with perfect American accents for the Leftists to trot out. It'll come down to it, just like the war with the Left.

What Islam is not (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAQ3yDaSoS4#ws)
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: IronDioPriest on April 16, 2013, 05:10:05 PM
Everyone should be forced to watch that video with their eyes pried open.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Pandora on April 16, 2013, 05:35:23 PM
Everyone should be forced to watch that video with their eyes pried open.

Everyone.  Because we -- that is WE -- are watching this happen here, right now, and there are many who don't or won't see.  Our government has been infiltrated, many of our institutions have been.

And, just to clarify, in my previous comment about Waco, I was not alluding to nor suggesting OUR answer is voluntary, literal massacre.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: trapeze on April 16, 2013, 06:02:30 PM
No and it doesn't have to be massacre. Just declare the "religion" to be banned, shut down their mosques and start throwing them out of the country. Tolerance toward islam is something that we can no longer afford. No one can.

And I say that despite the fact that islam may not be responsible for yesterday's attack. It doesn't matter. It is merely a matter of time before we have crap like that going on all of the time as Israel does. Not worth it. We don't deserve to live in a society where sh*t blows up and people are maimed and killed randomly all of the time. No one deserves to live like that.

I have just had it with islam. Screw the muslims and their stupid ass preposterous religion with its beheadings and stonings and battery acid to the face and fatwahs and jihads and all other manner of ridiculous barbaric practices that are not fit for a civil society. Diversity? Screw that. If I want this kind of diversity I can swim with sharks...but I don't. No one does. No sane person does. They can wrap their head scarves around their heads until they explode for all I care. They can take their koran and stick it. This is not a world that I want my children and grandchildren to grow up in.

No, islam might not be directly responsible for yesterday's attack but they have provided the atmosphere and the literal instructions for how to create mayhem and mass murder on our streets. They kill our people indiscriminately every chance they get. We should return the favor. Send them and their evil religion packing.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Libertas on April 16, 2013, 06:48:46 PM
Libiots would hate that video, if about Christians (especially those bitter-clinger types) they'd probably go 180.  Pan makes on excellent point re: Waco.  The so-called inviolate nature of protected vs unprotected religions is subject to government interpretation du juor, time that capricious attitude be matched by us for us!  No more play nice-nice!

Buh-bye Isslam!

 ::asskicking::
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Glock32 on April 16, 2013, 07:46:48 PM
You can thank Ted Kennedy, May He RIH, for opening us up to Islam and all the other blessings of diversity. When we reach the point where it's just like Israel, and these events are a way of life, it will be because of he and his fellow liberals. And people will just accept that it's one of those terrible things that sometimes happen, like tornadoes and earthquakes, when in reality it is entirely manmade. As with everything liberals do, there is a hefty real world price for their pointy headed ideas.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: benb61 on April 16, 2013, 08:05:42 PM
You can thank Ted Kennedy, May He RIH, for opening us up to Islam and all the other blessings of diversity.

Please 'splane.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Glock32 on April 16, 2013, 08:08:46 PM
You can thank Ted Kennedy, May He RIH, for opening us up to Islam and all the other blessings of diversity.

Please 'splane.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1965 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1965)
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: warpmine on April 16, 2013, 08:20:31 PM
Here's how it should be done: 28th Amendment

Article I

The social/political/ideological system known around the world as Islam is not recognized in the United States as a religion.

The practice of Islam is therefore not protected under the 1st Amendment as to freedom of religion and speech.

Article II
As representatives of Islam around the world have declared war, and committed acts of war, against the United States and its democratic allies around the world, Islam is hereby declared an enemy of the United States and its practice within the United States is now prohibited.

Article III
Immediately upon passage of this Amendment all Mosques, schools and Muslim places of worship and religious training are to be closed, converted to other uses, or destroyed. Proceeds from sales of such properties may be distributed to congregations of said places but full disclosure of all proceeds shall be made to an appropriate agency as determined by Congress. No compensation is to be offered by Federal or State agencies for losses on such properties however Federal funding is to be available for the demolishing of said structures if other disposition cannot be made.

The preaching of Islam in Mosques, Schools, and other venues is prohibited. The subject of Islam may be taught in a post high school academic environment provided that instruction include discussion of Islam’s history of violence, conquest, and its current war on democratic values.

The preaching or advocating of Islamic ideals of world domination, destruction of America and democratic institutions, jihad against Judaism, Christianity and other religions, and advocating the implementation of Sharia law shall in all cases be punishable by fines, imprisonment, deportation, and death as proscribed by Congress. Violent expressions of these and other Muslim goals, or the material support of those both in the United States and around the world who seek to advance these Islamic goals shall be punishable by death.

Muslims will be denied the opportunity to immigrate to the United States.

Article IV
Nothing in this amendment shall be construed as authorizing the discrimination against, of violence upon, nor repudiation of the individual rights of those Americans professing to be Muslim. The individual right of conscience is sacrosanct and the practice of Islam within the privacy of home and self is strictly protected to the extent that such individuals do not violate the prohibitions described in Article III.

Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: benb61 on April 16, 2013, 08:48:31 PM
Sounds good to me.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: IronDioPriest on April 16, 2013, 09:00:27 PM
In a sane world....
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Libertas on April 17, 2013, 06:47:10 AM
It is basically the outline that Muslim nations under Sharia Law impose upon all other legitimate religions.

Seems perfectly fair to me.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: warpmine on April 19, 2013, 06:15:22 AM
Well, looks like the religion er cult of pieces has struck again. Yes, demand the end of it now. Scourge of history and I don't want it here in my country. Come on folks, it's for the children....children's safety. This is the issue the left always trots out when they want to ban something. Let's use it for once against them....it will save lives.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: trapeze on April 19, 2013, 08:45:40 AM
It will be interesting to see how the MFM tries to cover up the muslim connection. Remember that the DC snipers were also muslims and were practicing jihad. And yet...the MFM glossed right over it. Will this case get similar treatment? Probably.

Islam is a menace.

I cannot say that with too little emphasis.

Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Libertas on April 19, 2013, 08:51:22 AM
Start practicing the right of individual preemptive self-defense.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Alphabet Soup on April 19, 2013, 10:06:46 AM
It will be interesting to see how the MFM tries to cover up the muslim connection. Remember that the DC snipers were also muslims and were practicing jihad. And yet...the MFM glossed right over it. Will this case get similar treatment? Probably.

Islam is a menace.

I cannot say that with too little emphasis.



At another site I am arguing with 'tards about the Gosnell trial. Actually, it's more like taunting them because they are squeamish about that fact that Gosnell was just doing the lefts bidding and (in their minds) only got caught. So they've gone silent because they do not wish to be lumped into the same camp as Gosnell.

The parallel here is very close. The left just can't help but politicize any event and the Boston Massacre is far too great a temptation to the little ferret-brains to resist. So when the facts don't conform themselves to their narrative they'll try desperately to insist that "you're just not seeing it correctly" (Liberal Projection™) or simply change the subject.

Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: John Florida on April 19, 2013, 10:14:21 AM
Start practicing the right of individual preemptive self-defense.

  Maybe if we called them abortions we could get away with it.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Libertas on April 19, 2013, 10:18:39 AM
Start practicing the right of individual preemptive self-defense.

  Maybe if we called them abortions we could get away with it.


Yeah, the doc was just late is all, no biggie.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: warpmine on April 19, 2013, 07:43:30 PM
Start practicing the right of individual preemptive self-defense.

  Maybe if we called them abortions we could get away with it.


Yeah, the doc was just late is all, no biggie.
Just like the movie Terminator.....retro-abortions. ::laserkill::
"plasma rifle in the 40 watt range"
"No, just what you see here"
How bout the 22 inch barrel in the .338 Lapua Magnum range.

Personally, I'm hoping for the Eminiar-7 disintegration machine. ::laserkill::
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: warpmine on April 19, 2013, 07:44:17 PM
It will be interesting to see how the MFM tries to cover up the muslim connection. Remember that the DC snipers were also muslims and were practicing jihad. And yet...the MFM glossed right over it. Will this case get similar treatment? Probably.

Islam is a menace.

I cannot say that with too little emphasis.


Glossed over the fact they were both black as well.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Glock32 on April 19, 2013, 09:00:27 PM
Just like the movie Terminator.....retro-abortions. ::laserkill::
"plasma rifle in the 40 watt range"
"No, just what you see here"



You might not score on the plasma rifle, but there's always the "Uzi 9mm...45 long slide Detonics."
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Libertas on April 21, 2013, 12:10:19 PM
Actually, in light of the nations suicidal rush into oblivion...this thread should perhaps be more accurately titled "Is it too late for a discussion about banning Islam?", right?
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: John Florida on April 21, 2013, 05:17:31 PM
  How do you ban Islame if this crap is going on:

Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick and the Imam (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUYIHRRaPmA#ws)
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Predator Don on April 21, 2013, 05:54:39 PM
Actually, in light of the nations suicidal rush into oblivion...this thread should perhaps be more accurately titled "Is it too late for a discussion about banning Islam?", right?


Or...is it too late for a discussion about banning liberalism?
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: John Florida on April 21, 2013, 06:00:49 PM
Actually, in light of the nations suicidal rush into oblivion...this thread should perhaps be more accurately titled "Is it too late for a discussion about banning Islam?", right?


Or...is it too late for a discussion about banning liberalism?

   That ship has sailed a long time ago. The best you can hope for is to try and regain control of DC and local government.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: trapeze on April 21, 2013, 06:31:17 PM
Nice opinion piece about facing up to the muslim threat. (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/346145/jihad-will-not-be-wished-away)

Quote
The fact that you think this is nuts, or that I’m nuts for saying it out loud, has nothing to do with whether they believe it. They do — and they don’t care, even a little, what you think.

You do not defeat an ideology by hoping it will change or disappear. You have to challenge it, to make it defend its baleful tenets in the light of day. You cannot protect yourself from its violent outbursts absent understanding its teaching, reluctantly accepting that its teaching will inevitably lead some Muslims to strike out savagely, and committing to a pro-active, intelligence-based counterterrorism strategy — one that scraps political correctness and ferrets out the jihadists before they strike.

Asked about his “outlook,” Dzhokhar Tsarnaev offered a pregnant response, “Islam,” that raises more questions than it answers. There are all kinds of Islam, including the supremacist kind that is far more widely held than we’re comfortable acknowledging. Until we get beyond that discomfort, until we are prepared to ask, “What Islam?” — and until we are prepared to treat Islamic supremacism as the pariah it should be — Boston’s hellish week will remain our recurring nightmare.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: warpmine on April 21, 2013, 08:29:28 PM
"Some of the leadership have ties to Islamic terrorism"

Are you sh*tting me? They all have those ties and it's called Islam. That's the knot that binds them all, the very cult that locks a person into a pathway that inevitably leads a collision with death. ::outrage::
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 21, 2013, 09:05:34 PM

THE JIHAD COMES TO BOSTON (http://counterjihadreport.com/2013/04/19/the-jihad-comes-to-boston/) By Pamela Geller
 [blockquote] The media is already spinning the revelation of the bombers’ identities furiously, confusing the American people with nonsense about “regional conflicts” in the Caucasus. ...But the objective of the jihadists in Chechnya is to establish an Islamic state in the Caucasus
...
The conflict in the Caucasus dates back to 644, when Arab Muslims introduced Islam to the region; the region has been a place of violence and unrest ever since. ...
Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev have deeply imbibed the jihad ideology that permeates Chechnya and the Muslim areas of the Russia Caucasus in general.
...
Tamerlan Tsarnaev ...It appears...posted a video that hails “the promised emergence of the black flags [of jihad] from the promised land of Khorasan,” and lauds jihadis who are posing “with a flag of the Taliban’s Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan.” [/blockquote] 
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: warpmine on April 21, 2013, 09:23:53 PM

THE JIHAD COMES TO BOSTON (http://counterjihadreport.com/2013/04/19/the-jihad-comes-to-boston/) By Pamela Geller
 [blockquote] The media is already spinning the revelation of the bombers’ identities furiously, confusing the American people with nonsense about “regional conflicts” in the Caucasus. ...But the objective of the jihadists in Chechnya is to establish an Islamic state in the Caucasus
...
The conflict in the Caucasus dates back to 644, when Arab Muslims introduced Islam to the region; the region has been a place of violence and unrest ever since. ...
Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev have deeply imbibed the jihad ideology that permeates Chechnya and the Muslim areas of the Russia Caucasus in general.
...
Tamerlan Tsarnaev ...It appears...posted a video that hails “the promised emergence of the black flags [of jihad] from the promised land of Khorasan,” and lauds jihadis who are posing “with a flag of the Taliban’s Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan.” [/blockquote] 


Of course we had to have that wonderful diverse problem right here in America so show the world we, the USA, is just as freaking stupid as the republics in the past.

Once thing for certain, we're screwed unless we can wrestle the government away from the Fabian Progressives be it peacefully or violently. I'm just not sure which method has more advantage than the other at this point. We have continued to highlight the ups and downs of each over the last year or so but I guess we'll only know for sure is to look how it turns out afterwards. May God be with us. Amen.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Pandora on April 22, 2013, 12:14:07 AM
"Regional conflicts .... ".  I have to laugh my ass off at the willful obfuscation.  This is the same "conflict" being fomented in "regions" all over the world; different "regions" same "conflict".  It's islam.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: RickZ on April 22, 2013, 06:15:26 AM
"Regional conflicts .... ".  I have to laugh my ass off at the willful obfuscation.  This is the same "conflict" being fomented in "regions" all over the world; different "regions" same "conflict".  It's islam.

Yeah.  We have to be on guard for those Thais and their deadly spicy peanut sauce.  Oh and those Koreans scare the hell out of us with their killer kimchee WMD.

Not only willful obfuscation, but willful delusion.  As I've said before, we are living in a time where Truth would love to be a poor red-headed stepchild.  We are living in the Orwellian world of universal deceit, a world where an 8th grader wearing an NRA t-shirt to school becomes a Revolutionary Act and subject to arrest.

Much of the blame for where we are in this Jihadi War can be laid at George Bush's feet.  He failed to communicate the nature of the threat, instead giving us that not so brilliant bullshyt 'islam is a religion of peace'.  I said it at the time, the President's job is not to get into a comparative religion exercise, but a little factual History might have gone a long way to educate the masses about islam and the word, concept and act of 'jihad'.  It really is insanity, trying to buck the millenia of History we have at our fingertips exposing islam for the violent fraud it is, more so now with the internet rather than having to go digging through some musty library shelf (not that that's a bad thing, you just have to actually get up an go to an older library to enjoy that sensory experience).  As I said in another comment, progressivism is not anything if not suicide on a national scale.  I'd be willing to bet that of 535 members of Congress (I'm not even going to throw Barry into the mix because I know he isn't capable of reading such things), maybe 5% have read any Greek or Roman classical historian.  That's a high end guess of around 27, now 26 with Allen West gone from the House.  How many people even know what the true lesson of Rome was?  It sure wasn't the bread and circuses of the Flavian Amphitheater or the Circus Maximus, although our current emperor seems to love that aspect of Rome, what with his Free Shyt Army.  How many people have heard of Julius Caesar?  I'd bet a lot.  But how many know he was the man who turned Rome from a Republic into a dictatorship?  That the historical lesson of Rome is encapsulated in that previous question, the pitfalls of elevating one man to rule previously free men?

We have gone from a Nation which once educated its children to a high standard on a local level to a Nation with 'lowest common denominator' national standards pushing Ritalin and junk science on kids, among other things.  We have a society that has lost all sense of History, even our own limited but damn fine one, notwithstanding our national experience with The Peculiar Institution. History now begins when one is born.  Nothing else matters.  It's scary to me that mindset (which I've seen enough to convince me that those so observed were not an aberration).  When a Nation is stripped of the very identity which makes it unique in the annals of History, there's not really anywhere to go but down.  So while we may not go down because we hire mercenaries to patrol and control our border because we are too lazy and risk adverse to protect ourselves as this Administration would never think of hiring mercenaries to protect our border from their lazy and worthless asses, we are going down right along with our currency.  Our Republic will die from a two-pronged attack, with jihadis coming in a distant, but still important, third:  Uncontrolled immigration and national bankruptcy.

When it comes to islam and the History of the World, we as a Country have a serious case of Alzheimer's.  And now with OwebamaCare, well, . . . .
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Libertas on April 22, 2013, 07:42:07 AM
Y'all are making my points for me.

It's too late to ban it.

Same with the Left.

We are left with only two battles - winner-take-all - no tap-outs - to the death - with the Left and with Islam.

Or you can choose to be enslaved by the former only to be beheaded by the latter...if you call that a choice!
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Weisshaupt on April 22, 2013, 08:53:57 AM

We are left with only two battles - winner-take-all - no tap-outs - to the death - with the Left and with Islam.


With the Goblins and the Wargs.  There is no difference between Islam and the American Left at this point. The left uses government as a weapon to terrorize Americans, the Muslim Jihad, bombs. If  Americans are wiped out, the left will eventually  loose to Jihad, shocked that criminals don't follow laws.  (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/21/us-usa-explosions-boston-guns-idUSBRE93K0HB20130421) and unable to rally citizenry to defend against "the religion of (small body) pieces"

Of course I am sure the elite in the Liberal tribe see Jihadists as mongrel dogs - easily wiped out when they have served their purpose.
 


Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Libertas on April 22, 2013, 11:24:39 AM

We are left with only two battles - winner-take-all - no tap-outs - to the death - with the Left and with Islam.


With the Goblins and the Wargs.  There is no difference between Islam and the American Left at this point. The left uses government as a weapon to terrorize Americans, the Muslim Jihad, bombs. If  Americans are wiped out, the left will eventually  loose to Jihad, shocked that criminals don't follow laws.  (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/21/us-usa-explosions-boston-guns-idUSBRE93K0HB20130421) and unable to rally citizenry to defend against "the religion of (small body) piec

Of course I am sure the elite in the Liberal tribe see Jihadists as mongrel dogs - easily wiped out when they have served their purpose.
 




As for the insane...
Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, who was killed in the shootout with police, would have been required to apply for a gun license with the local police department where he lived in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

But there is no record of him having done so, according to Cambridge Police Department spokesman Dan Riviello.

Dipsh*t Reuters Story Weuisshaupt cited (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/21/us-usa-explosions-boston-guns-idUSBRE93K0HB20130421)

Cannot believe an American is capable of positing such an assinine statement and thinking for one nanosecond that the bulllsh*t that failed to pass the Senate last week was capable of doing JACK sh*t to stop these islamic bastards!

So  ::doublebird::  Riviello,  ::doublebird:: Jonathan Allen in New York and the rest of you un-American Reuters fools and  ::doublebird:: anybody who believes this sh*t!

As for the Left, they subscribe to the crockodile theory, they think being eaten last is winning.  I think defeating them and the crap they appease is actual winning!

Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Predator Don on April 22, 2013, 12:31:33 PM

We are left with only two battles - winner-take-all - no tap-outs - to the death - with the Left and with Islam.


With the Goblins and the Wargs.  There is no difference between Islam and the American Left at this point. The left uses government as a weapon to terrorize Americans, the Muslim Jihad, bombs. If  Americans are wiped out, the left will eventually  loose to Jihad, shocked that criminals don't follow laws.  (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/21/us-usa-explosions-boston-guns-idUSBRE93K0HB20130421) and unable to rally citizenry to defend against "the religion of (small body) pieces"

Of course I am sure the elite in the Liberal tribe see Jihadists as mongrel dogs - easily wiped out when they have served their purpose.
 




The left has no morals...they will convert.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: IronDioPriest on April 22, 2013, 05:51:04 PM
I disagree with some of this guy's extrapolations and speculations. But I copied the article for the truth in the bolded portions....

Quote
Boston and the future of Islam in America
by Reihan Salam (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/22/us-boston-islam-idUSBRE93L15U20130422)

One of the central questions surrounding the Boston Marathon bombings is whether they portend a larger wave of terror attacks by homegrown Islamic radicals. The culprits, two brothers of Chechen origin, one of whom was a naturalized U.S. citizen, had both lived in the country for more than a decade. While the older brother is reported to have been sullen, resentful and ill at ease in his adopted country, the younger brother was by all accounts a well-mannered kid, whose main vice was marijuana. Many fear that if these two men could turn viciously against the country that gave them refuge, the same might be true of at least some small number of their co-religionists.

I grew up in a Muslim household in New York City's polyglot outer boroughs, and the Tsarnaev brothers strike me, in broad outline, as recognizable figures. The younger brother's Twitter feed, which has attracted wide attention, reads like dispatches from the collective id of at least a quarter of my high school classmates. Also recognizable is the brothers' lower-middle-class but gentrifying Cambridge milieu, which bears a strong resemblance to the neighborhood in which I was raised.
So like many Americans of Muslim origin, I've been struggling to understand what exactly went wrong in their heads. How could a "douchebag" and a "stoner" and here I'm paraphrasing the words of the Tsarnaev brothers' acquaintances and friends ? have committed one of the most gruesome terror attacks in modern American history? We might never have a good answer to this question, and certainly won't have a good answer anytime soon. But what we can do is get a sense of what we do and don't know about U.S. Muslims, and what it might mean for our future.

Although I can't claim to be representative of U.S. Muslims as a whole, my experience leads me to believe that America's Muslim community will grow more secular over time. My parents are originally from Bangladesh, a Muslim-majority country of 150 million that is currently in the throes of a violent clash over the role of Islam in public life. While Bangladesh has made impressive strides in a number of social indicators in recent decades, its poverty has sent large numbers of migrants to India, the Persian Gulf, Europe, Southeast Asia and, over the past two decades in particular, the United States.

The Bangladeshi community has largely escaped notice in the United States, as it remains relatively small; when I was growing up, it was smaller still. My first years were thus spent not in a Bangladeshi enclave but rather in a neighborhood with a large Hasidic Jewish population. We later moved to a neighborhood that was home to large numbers of African evangelicals, Tibetan Buddhists, Russian Jews and South Asian Muslims. Although hard numbers are difficult to come by, New York City's Muslim population appeared to have grown considerably over the course of my childhood. Head scarves and other traditional modes of dress are common in heavily Muslim precincts of Brooklyn and Queens, particularly among more recent immigrants. Yet it remains to be seen if this kind of very visible religious devotion will persist among second-generation South Asian Muslims, particularly if religious belief continues to fade in the population as a whole. I certainly haven't seen it among my peers, but I know only a narrow spectrum of second-generation South Asian Muslims. These people identify more as Asian Americans than as members of a global Islamic community.

The best survey evidence offers only a limited and inconclusive portrait of America's Muslim community. The Pew Research Center estimates that there are 2.75 million Muslims living in the United States, and that 63 percent were born outside of the country. Of this foreign-born slice of the Muslim population, 45 percent arrived in the United States after 1990 and 70 percent are naturalized U.S. citizens. This population is incredibly diverse. Roughly 13 percent of all U.S. Muslims are native-born African-Americans. Some U.S. Muslims are highly educated professionals leading integrated lives, while others are less-skilled workers earning poverty-level incomes in ethnic enclaves.

According to Pew, 69 percent of U.S. Muslims claim that religion is an important part of their lives; 47 percent report attending worship services on a weekly basis. These numbers closely parallel the numbers for U.S. Christians. It is also true, however, that one-fifth of U.S. Muslims seldom or never attend worship services, a sure sign of secularization.

Another sign is that a large majority of U.S. Muslims appear to be comfortable with religious pluralism. Pew found that 56 percent of U.S. Muslims believe that many different religions can lead to eternal life while 35 percent believe that only Islam will get you there. Similarly, 57 percent of U.S. Muslims believe that there are many valid ways to interpret Islamic teachings, as opposed to 37 percent who maintain that only one interpretation is valid. Suffice it to say, the notion that many different religions are of equal value is not likely to be embraced by the religiously orthodox. Indeed, one possibility is that this more relaxed approach to the demands of religion represents a way station on the road to abandoning religion entirely.

Americans of all stripes are abandoning organized religion at a brisk pace. While less than a 10th of Americans born from 1928 to 1945 are religiously unaffiliated, the same is true of one-third of Americans born from 1990 to 1994, according to a Pew Research Center survey released late last year. This dynamic seems to apply to U.S. Muslims as much as it applies to U.S. Christians. Part of the reason could be that the hold of religious communities on our lives has grown more tenuous. Peter Skerry, a political scientist at Boston College who has been studying the cultural and political integration of U.S. Muslims and Arabs for more than a decade, has observed that only one-third of U.S. Muslims report going to a mosque for social or religious activities apart from regular services. It doesn't appear that mosques have become the kernels of tight-knit communities, as the churches that were so central to immigrant life a century ago did.

Even if secularization does take hold, there is no reason to believe that religious extremism will fade away. Indeed, the opposite could come to pass, as a shrinking number of moderate Muslims leaves behind a more isolated core of orthodox Muslim believers who see themselves in conflict with an increasingly secular America. Even as the vast majority of U.S. Muslims integrate into U.S. cultural, political and economic institutions, some small minority might continue to find in Islam a convenient excuse for anti-American rhetoric and action. The Tsarnaev brothers, after all, didn't live in a hotbed of Islamic radicalism; they lived in Inman Square, a neighborhood that is best known for its large Portuguese-speaking population. Perhaps the brothers would have been less likely to embrace extremism had they been rooted in a stronger Muslim religious community, complete with stronger role models. Or perhaps we need to accept the fact that some irreducible number of people will commit vile, despicable crimes no matter what we as a society do to prevent them.

Our best hope is that just as the terrorist violence committed by left-wing radicals in the 1960s and 1970s eventually burned out, Islamic radicalism will soon be an unhappy memory. But we'd be foolish to dismiss the darker possibility that a tiny subgroup of Muslim fanatics will continue to pose a threat for many decades to come.

Now... if someone with more mathematic acuity than I have would crunch some of those numbers above and tell us just how many tens-or-hundreds-of-thousands of Muslims live within the United States that we need to be concerned with.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Alphabet Soup on April 22, 2013, 06:03:00 PM
Some of the things we've been learning about the brothers includes the fact that they were non-practicing muzzies until rather recently when the mother urged the older brother to study and adhere to the cult. The younger brother wasn't so much a practicing muzzie as he was entranced by his older brother.

The speed with which the older brother went from non-practicing to practicing to wild-eyed radicalized extremist is frightening and should serve as a caution to any non-muzzie. It is as though they are genetically predisposed to violence and bigotry. Here were two individuals who were arguably Americanized who turned against us in the blink of an eye.

The left is now predictably playing the "moslems are concerned that they will be singled out" game in the press. Frankly, IDGAS. I'm more concerned about little Allahu Akbar going all mohhamadean in my neighborhood and me having to ventilate his ass.


Edit: Altard-proofed
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Libertas on April 22, 2013, 06:31:54 PM
Thanks for the confirmation that the numbers are bad enough, screw an accurate counting and let the process of removal commence.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 22, 2013, 09:05:50 PM

Wahhabi Jihadi Mohammedanism is a nut magnet.
  
Give me your disassociated, disaffected, displaced
 persons and I will take him in, give him refuge, solace,
 help him feel normal and make him a terrorist.


Those boys were born in the heart of radical land to what
could be said were whacko parents.  They were born bombers.

All things considered, it's time for Mohammedans to convert or leave.
Even if some of them are good people they have allowed the rest of
the Mohammedans to taint any conceivability they will be accepted
or trusted.  Please leave.

ETA: The Wahhabi Jihad for Young American Minds (http://www.jewishpolicycenter.org/459/the-wahhabi-jihad-for-young-american-minds)
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Glock32 on April 23, 2013, 12:16:35 AM
I see it through a lens that transcends the interests of this or that nation, this or that generation. It is a clash of civilizations. Islam has been an existential threat since that incestuous desert mystic shat out its tenets. At a minimum they must be physically removed from Western lands. Anything less is to condemn our descendants to an increasingly hopeless struggle. We can no longer afford a nuanced approach.

And yeah, I know how likely any of that is. Like the Leftist enemy, this is one that won't be dealt with until the existing order crumbles under its own weight.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Libertas on April 23, 2013, 05:58:31 AM
There is more than one "nut magnet" CO, we have liberalism and all that it has wrought!

A lot of truly ignorant people have already determined that fighting any war of civilization is DOA...I give you the platform of the Democrat Party, and the opinion of smelly little leftists all across the land...

(http://www.stickershoppe.com/mm5/graphics/00000002/PMA144.jpg)

I say let them die as well.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: trapeze on April 23, 2013, 10:45:37 AM
Now... if someone with more mathematic acuity than I have would crunch some of those numbers above and tell us just how many tens-or-hundreds-of-thousands of Muslims live within the United States that we need to be concerned with.

Potentially, all of them. I would never, ever turn my back on one knowingly. I would never, ever assume that one is harmless. But that's me.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Pandora on April 23, 2013, 11:31:17 AM
And me.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Libertas on April 23, 2013, 11:38:14 AM
Good, so we are talking now not about banning Isslam, but burning it out?!   ::beertoast::   ::bustamove::
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Glock32 on April 23, 2013, 11:53:19 AM
Is it not hilarious that the car one of those turds stole was sporting one of those insipid Coexist stickers?  But man do I hate those stickers. They just reek of smarmy, self-satisfied douchebag-at-the-wheel. And the assumption behind it, that somehow all of the things represented by those symbols bear an equal responsibility to "coexist", and by implication are equally responsible for impeding our ability to "coexist". Such an obnoxious conceit of liberals.  We all know the world has more of a 'C' problem.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: benb61 on April 23, 2013, 11:58:37 AM
This is the best explanation (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.therazor.org/images/realistic_coexist.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.therazor.org/?p%3D2272&h=800&w=800&sz=174&tbnid=GAA4aPXZoth2aM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=90&zoom=1&usg=__rKKqMbcEiV_F0qoybmU6AJOABDc=&docid=kSWiBeUJXJeLvM&sa=X&ei=RL12UdiTDY2EiwKtooGADg&ved=0CEsQ9QEwBg&dur=489), I want to buy a billboard and have this posted everywhere.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Pandora on April 23, 2013, 12:08:45 PM
Is it not hilarious that the car one of those turds stole was sporting one of those insipid Coexist stickers?  But man do I hate those stickers. They just reek of smarmy, self-satisfied douchebag-at-the-wheel. And the assumption behind it, that somehow all of the things represented by those symbols bear an equal responsibility to "coexist", and by implication are equally responsible for impeding our ability to "coexist". Such an obnoxious conceit of liberals.  We all know the world has more of a 'C' problem.

The guy reports he was allowed to live because he isn't "an American".

As for the bumpersticker, I've seen one that has the giant "C" chasing all the other letters -- there's truth in advertising for you -- but I haven't been able to find it.

Best I could do is swiped from the Freepers:

(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff121/tRdoc/FirearmsCoexist-Taurus-Mossberg.jpg)
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Libertas on April 23, 2013, 12:12:29 PM
No G in it...no Glock...   :'(
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Pandora on April 23, 2013, 12:17:20 PM
(http://cdn4.ricochet.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/media/images/coexist-infidels/1275605-1-eng-US/coexist-infidels_lightbox.jpg)

(http://i1.cpcache.com/product/436053857/up_yours_sticker_bumper.jpg?color=White&ampheight=460&ampwidth=460&ampqv=90)
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Pandora on April 23, 2013, 12:28:19 PM
(http://therealrevo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/coexist.jpg)

Close enough.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Alphabet Soup on April 23, 2013, 12:30:31 PM
(http://therealrevo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/coexist.jpg)

Close enough.

Me want!
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: warpmine on April 23, 2013, 06:59:22 PM
This is the best explanation (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.therazor.org/images/realistic_coexist.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.therazor.org/?p%3D2272&h=800&w=800&sz=174&tbnid=GAA4aPXZoth2aM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=90&zoom=1&usg=__rKKqMbcEiV_F0qoybmU6AJOABDc=&docid=kSWiBeUJXJeLvM&sa=X&ei=RL12UdiTDY2EiwKtooGADg&ved=0CEsQ9QEwBg&dur=489), I want to buy a billboard and have this posted everywhere.
I'll pitch in!
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: warpmine on April 23, 2013, 07:01:36 PM
(http://therealrevo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/coexist.jpg)

Close enough.

Me want!
I want one to!
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: ChrstnHsbndFthr on April 23, 2013, 07:09:58 PM
(http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r682/ChrstnHsbndFthr/coexistbomberpic_zpscec7018a.jpg)

This is now directly linkable, if that helps anyone.

http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r682/ChrstnHsbndFthr/coexistbomberpic_zpscec7018a.jpg (http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r682/ChrstnHsbndFthr/coexistbomberpic_zpscec7018a.jpg)
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Libertas on April 23, 2013, 08:31:56 PM
Market it, make a bundle, use the proceeds to fund more efforts to corner our foes.  Win-win.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: trapeze on April 24, 2013, 02:58:15 PM
Very nice and comprehensive article (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/23/boston-mosque-radicals/2101411/) about the Boston mosque where the bombers hung out. The article lays out in detail the terrorists that have been involved with the mosque that we know about.

Which brings me back to the original point of this thread: How can anyone believe anything that the muslim apologists say about islam? You can't. They lie about everything. They harbor murderers and rapists in our midst. They enable crime.

Quote
The FBI has not indicated that either mosque was involved in any criminal activity, but mosque attendees and officials have been implicated in terrorist activity:

• Alamoudi, who signed the articles of incorporation as the Cambridge mosque's president, was sentenced to 23 years in federal court in Alexandria, Va., in 2004 for his role as a facilitator in what federal prosecutors called a Libyan assassination plot against then-crown prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia. Abdullah is now the Saudi king.

• Aafia Siddiqui, who occasionally prayed at the Cambridge mosque, was arrested in Afghanistan in 2008 while in possession of cyanide canisters and plans for a chemical attack in New York City. She tried to grab a rifle while in detention and shot at military officers and FBI agents, for which she was convicted in New York in 2010 and is serving an 86-year sentence.

• Tarek Mehanna, who worshiped at the Cambridge mosque, was sentenced in 2012 to 17 years in prison for conspiring to aid al-Qaeda. Mehanna had traveled to Yemen to seek terrorist training and plotted to use automatic weapons to shoot up a mall in the Boston suburbs, federal investigators in Boston alleged.

• Ahmad Abousamra, the son of a former vice president of the Muslim American Society Boston Abdul-Badi Abousamra, was identified by the FBI as Mehanna's co-conspirator. He fled to Syria and is wanted by the FBI on charges of providing support to terrorists and conspiracy to kill Americans in a foreign country.

• Jamal Badawi of Canada, a former trustee of the Islamic Society of Boston Trust, which owns both mosques, was named as a non-indicted co-conspirator in the 2007 Holy Land Foundation terrorism trial in Texas over the funneling of money to Hamas, which is the Palestinian wing of the Muslim Brotherhood.

What both mosques have in common is an affiliation with the Muslim American Society, an organization founded in 1993 that describes itself as an American Islamic revival movement. It has also been described by federal prosecutors in court as the "overt arm" of the Muslim Brotherhood, which calls for Islamic law and is the parent organization of Hamas, a U.S.-designated terrorist group.

Critics say the Muslim American Society promotes a fraught relationship with the United States, expressed in part by the pattern discussed by Americans for Progress and Tolerance in which adherents are made to feel cut off from their home country and to identify with a global Islamist political community rather than with America.

These darned people just haven't had enough time or the right environment necessary to properly assimilate with America. Obviously, we need immigration amnesty right now! Where's Rubio?
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Libertas on April 24, 2013, 07:17:34 PM
Mosque is not involved yet involved....

 ::cussing::  government tools!

 ::viking::
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: trapeze on April 25, 2013, 10:37:24 AM
Mosque is not involved yet involved....

 ::cussing::  government tools!

 ::viking::

Not surprisingly, Pam Gellar (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/04/24/Shut-Down-Boston-Jihad-Bombers-Mosque) seems to think that this Boston mosque thing needs to be bulldozed.

Someday, in a distant future when our country and western civilization has (hopefully) recovered from the mess it is in and careening toward, Pam Gellar will be looked on as a wise and prescient person who should have been listened to and heeded by many, many more of us.

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The Islamic Society of Boston was founded by Abdulrahman Alamoudi, the leading “moderate Muslim” in Washington throughout the 1990s. Alamoudi turned out to be an al-Qaeda financier and is now in prison.

And it wasn’t just Alamoudi. USA Today notes that others linked to the Islamic Society of Boston include Aafia Siddiqui, who “was arrested in Afghanistan in 2008 while in possession of cyanide canisters and plans for a chemical attack in New York City”; Tarek Mehanna, who was “sentenced in 2012 to 17 years in prison for conspiring to aid al-Qaeda"; Ahmad Abousamra, who “is wanted by the FBI on charges of providing support to terrorists and conspiracy to kill Americans in a foreign country”; and Jamal Badawi, who “was named as a non-indicted co-conspirator in the 2007 Holy Land Foundation terrorism trial in Texas over the funneling of money to Hamas, which is the Palestinian wing of the Muslim Brotherhood.”
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: AmericanPatriot on April 25, 2013, 10:51:38 AM
Where is Charles Martel?
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Libertas on April 25, 2013, 11:40:45 AM
Where is Charles Martel?

Or Vlad Tepes?!

And I think you're right Trap, I know Gellar can rub folks the wrong way, but she has been one of the few who have been waging an unrelenting campaign to warn people of the dangers these 7th Century Savages pose, and God Bless her for it!

I'd bulldoze all mosques too, maybe that's just me...
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: trapeze on April 25, 2013, 12:27:58 PM
Islam is a menace and its adherents are statistically and significantly more likely prone to murderous violence than any other "religion." There really isn't anything to debate here...

Quote
An escapee from a psychiatric institution slashed a rabbi and his son with a box-cutter on Tuesday, prompting witnesses to tackle and subdue the attacker after a chase through a Paris synagogue, officials said.

The assailant was of Iranian origin, and an official investigation was underway to determine a possible motive...

...the assailant screamed “Allah-u-Akbar” — or “God is great” — during the attack.

LINK (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/escapee-from-psychiatric-hospital-slashes-rabbi-son-with-box-cutter-outside-paris-synagogue/2013/04/23/493d8252-ac23-11e2-9493-2ff3bf26c4b4_story.html)
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: John Florida on April 25, 2013, 01:29:13 PM
Islam is a menace and its adherents are statistically and significantly more likely prone to murderous violence than any other "religion." There really isn't anything to debate here...

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An escapee from a psychiatric institution slashed a rabbi and his son with a box-cutter on Tuesday, prompting witnesses to tackle and subdue the attacker after a chase through a Paris synagogue, officials said.

The assailant was of Iranian origin, and an official investigation was underway to determine a possible motive...

...the assailant screamed “Allah-u-Akbar” — or “God is great” — during the attack.

LINK (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/escapee-from-psychiatric-hospital-slashes-rabbi-son-with-box-cutter-outside-paris-synagogue/2013/04/23/493d8252-ac23-11e2-9493-2ff3bf26c4b4_story.html)


  Only in France does an Arab try to kill two Jews and you need an investigation to find a motive.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Glock32 on April 25, 2013, 01:41:41 PM
They're just as boneheaded here.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Pandora on April 25, 2013, 01:45:24 PM
They're just as boneheaded here.

You ain't kiddin'.   A 'slim attacks the El Al counter at the airport screaming allahu ackbar and lots of head-scratching ensues instead of dot-connecting.

Nobody's this stupid; it's willful "see/hear/speak no (islam is) evil".
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Glock32 on April 25, 2013, 02:04:17 PM
Yeah. Or a Muslim officer in the US Army makes a point of throwing red flags virtually every day before eventually shouting "allahu ackbar" while, you know, murdering American soldiers, and that is classified as an act of workplace violence.

I guess he was disgruntled about being passed over for promotion or something.

ETA - oh yeah, and the Army's head honcho reflects on the whole incident and observes that the worst part of it would be if it damages diversity and inclusion in the Armed Forces. Willful, damn right it's willful.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Libertas on April 25, 2013, 04:52:25 PM
I'm feelin' willful...one guess about what!
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Libertas on May 13, 2013, 11:51:48 AM
More sanctioned behavior by the mullahs...

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/13/savage-online-video-seems-to-show-rebel-removing-then-biting-heart-of-slain-syrian-soldier/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/13/savage-online-video-seems-to-show-rebel-removing-then-biting-heart-of-slain-syrian-soldier/)

If they can do this to people of thier own nominal ilk...

 ::saywhat::

Coexist with this trash?!  Only a complete moron would think thats a swell idea!
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: trapeze on May 20, 2013, 03:02:46 PM
Japan, like France, generally has its head up its rear in a good many areas but in this case they have it all figured out:

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There are countries in the world, mainly in Europe, that are presently undergoing significant cultural transformations as a result of Muslim immigration. France, Germany, Belgium and Holland are interesting examples of cases where immigration from Muslim countries, together with the Muslims’ high fertility rate, effects every area of life.

It is interesting to know that there is a country in the world whose official and public approach to the Muslim matter is totally different. This country is Japan. This country keeps a very low profile on all levels regarding the Muslim matter: On the diplomatic level, senior political figures from Islamic countries almost never visit Japan, and Japanese leaders rarely visit Muslim countries. The relations with Muslim countries are based on concerns such as oil and gas, which Japan imports from some Muslim countries. The official policy of Japan is not to give citizenship to Muslims who come to Japan, and even permits for permanent residency are given sparingly to Muslims.

Japan forbids exhorting people to adopt the religion of Islam (Dawah), and any Muslim who actively encourages conversion to Islam is seen as proselytizing to a foreign and undesirable culture. Few academic institutions teach the Arabic language. It is very difficult to import books of the Qur’an to Japan, and Muslims who come to Japan, are usually employees of foreign companies. In Japan there are very few mosques. The official policy of the Japanese authorities is to make every effort not to allow entry to Muslims, even if they are physicians, engineers and managers sent by foreign companies that are active in the region. Japanese society expects Muslim men to pray at home.

Japanese companies seeking foreign workers specifically note that they are not interested in Muslim workers. And any Muslim who does manage to enter Japan will find it very difficult  to rent an apartment. Anywhere a Muslim lives, the neighbors become uneasy. Japan forbids the establishment of Islamic organizations, so setting up Islamic institutions such as mosques and schools is almost impossible. In Tokyo there is only one imam.

LINK (http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/opinions/the-land-without-muslims/2013/05/19/0/)

I say, WTG Japan!
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Pandora on May 20, 2013, 03:51:51 PM
Now there is a foreign policy we could stand to imitate.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: RickZ on May 20, 2013, 04:00:23 PM
In Tokyo there is only one imam.

Would he be named Imammoto?
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Pandora on May 20, 2013, 04:01:37 PM
 ::rimshot::
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: RickZ on May 20, 2013, 04:02:19 PM
Now there is a foreign policy we could stand to imitate.

Add in Mexico's immigration policies and you'd have a pretty decent country -- a country immediately placed on the UN's list of Human Rights abusers.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Glock32 on May 21, 2013, 12:05:27 PM
That is perfectly sensible on the part of Japan. But, it's because they get a pass. Being non-white and non-Western (though certainly Westernized) Japan is not specifically targeted for ethnic and cultural elimination. Same goes for Mexico's immigration policies.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: trapeze on May 24, 2013, 09:48:40 AM
This is not getting the same amount of attention as the London beheading but it's really more of the same.

The Stockholm youth riots. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/24/stockholm-rioting-continues-fifth-night?guni=Network%20front:network-front%20main-3%20Main%20trailblock:Network%20front%20-%20main%20trailblock:P)


Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Libertas on May 24, 2013, 10:07:40 AM
They can enjoy the fires, it is what they asked for.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: warpmine on May 24, 2013, 11:23:25 AM
They can enjoy the fires, it is what they asked for.
Absolutely! They've intentionally shunned God's chosen people for years in favor of barbarian hordes. WTF wrong with these idiots? I really cannot explain it to you as I don't have the insider perspective but I can provide one from outside ....the state is responsible for the contents of education and thus far it's from e liberal/progressive perspective meaning Christianity is the root of all evil in the world so WE must correct that by over sampling immigration from musloid countries and cut off our fingers all with a big fat wry smile on our faces. ::rockethrow:: is OK but a Python 16t weight would do better.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: John Florida on May 24, 2013, 01:22:54 PM
The need to ban matches!! ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Libertas on May 28, 2013, 11:48:34 AM
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/27/yet-another-woman-says-she-was-held-as-a-domestic-slave-by-saudi-diplomats-in-virginia/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/27/yet-another-woman-says-she-was-held-as-a-domestic-slave-by-saudi-diplomats-in-virginia/)

One would think the MFM would be all over this...or the NAACP...or the CBC...or CAIR.... (OK just kidding on that last one!)

I guess real slavery is not as fun to exploit as imagined slavery or slavery committed in the past by people who are long dead...

 ::)
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Glock32 on May 28, 2013, 12:19:02 PM
Another thing that seldom gets mentioned is the fact that the Arabs invented the African slave trade. And it still goes on there.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Libertas on May 28, 2013, 12:38:15 PM
Another thing that seldom gets mentioned is the fact that the Arabs invented the African slave trade. And it still goes on there.

That is racist and anti-Islamic, you will be demonized at home and given a death-fatwa by every Jislamic incubus on the planet!

Lucky bastard!   ;D
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: trapeze on June 04, 2013, 12:45:46 AM
Nice little article (http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htiw/articles/20130603.aspx) about the disconnect between Western minds and the reality that is islamic jihad...

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Christians in countries with Moslem majorities, or large minorities, are having a difficult time getting the rest of the world to recognize that most (as in about 80 percent) of the religious violence in the world is carried out against Christians and most of the violence is committed by Moslems. This is because the Islamic world, while unable to do much in terms of economic, scientific or cultural progress, or even govern themselves effectively, have proved quite adept at convincing leaders and media organizations in the West that Islam is not the aggressor and is actually the victim. For those who have spent any time living among Moslems this all seems absurd. But this delusion is real.

For example, it’s official policy in the U.S. military to eliminate any mention of a war between Islam and the West. This policy is enforced despite the fact that Islam at least according to many Islamic clerics is at war with the West. The U.S. has officially maintained this since shortly after September 11, 2001, despite the fact that many Islamic clerics and government officials in Moslem nations agree with the "Islam is at war with the West" idea. But many Western leaders prefer to believe that by insisting that such hostile attitudes are not widespread in Moslem countries, the hostility will diminish. To that end the U.S. government has, for years, been removing any reference to "Islam" and "terrorism" in official documents. This comes as a shock to military or civilian personnel who have spent time in Moslem countries. The "Islam is at war with the West" angle is alive and well among Moslems.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Pandora on June 04, 2013, 12:53:51 AM
That's because islam IS at war with the West!

The survivors of this coming war already recognize this.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: RickZ on June 04, 2013, 04:22:15 AM
I've said this since 2001 and hearing all the 'islam is a religion of peace' and 'we are not at war with islam' pabulum:  It only takes one side to wage war.  Pretending islam is not at war with us is delusional fantasyland thinking at its worst.

But then Owebama, with his unicorn skittles, is real good at delusional fantasyland thinking.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: warpmine on June 04, 2013, 04:24:33 PM
I've said this since 2001 and hearing all the 'islam is a religion of peace' and 'we are not at war with islam' pabulum:  It only takes one side to wage war.  Pretending islam is not at war with us is delusional fantasyland thinking at its worst.

But then Owebama, with his unicorn skittles, is real good at delusional fantasyland thinking.
WTF is he spreading on their food to make them that f**king stupid?
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Predator Don on June 04, 2013, 11:16:05 PM
I've said this since 2001 and hearing all the 'islam is a religion of peace' and 'we are not at war with islam' pabulum:  It only takes one side to wage war.  Pretending islam is not at war with us is delusional fantasyland thinking at its worst.

But then Owebama, with his unicorn skittles, is real good at delusional fantasyland thinking.
WTF is he spreading on their food to make them that f**king stupid?


It is skittles....they are tasting the rainbow.....
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Libertas on June 05, 2013, 06:56:16 AM
I've said this since 2001 and hearing all the 'islam is a religion of peace' and 'we are not at war with islam' pabulum:  It only takes one side to wage war.  Pretending islam is not at war with us is delusional fantasyland thinking at its worst.

But then Owebama, with his unicorn skittles, is real good at delusional fantasyland thinking.
WTF is he spreading on their food to make them that f**king stupid?


It is skittles....they are tasting the rainbow.....

And it doesn;t matter to them it came out of an ass!
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Predator Don on June 05, 2013, 12:25:31 PM
I've said this since 2001 and hearing all the 'islam is a religion of peace' and 'we are not at war with islam' pabulum:  It only takes one side to wage war.  Pretending islam is not at war with us is delusional fantasyland thinking at its worst.

But then Owebama, with his unicorn skittles, is real good at delusional fantasyland thinking.
WTF is he spreading on their food to make them that f**king stupid?


It is skittles....they are tasting the rainbow.....

And it doesn;t matter to them it came out of an ass!


On that note...go to youtube and search banned skittle commercials.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Pandora on June 05, 2013, 02:31:57 PM
I wish they'd ban the one with the girl eating the "Skittle pox" off the boy's face.  Yech.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Libertas on June 18, 2013, 12:05:12 PM
Selling body parts and cannibalism...blessed by Muhammad, minion of Iblis.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/06/islamic-cleric-arrested-for-buying-humans-and-selling-body-parts/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/06/islamic-cleric-arrested-for-buying-humans-and-selling-body-parts/)

Yeah, religion of psychopathic bastards...what's not to loath?
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: trapeze on June 18, 2013, 10:28:38 PM
I'll see your selling body parts and cannibalism and raise you a Christian beheading and body eaten by dogs... (http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/06/18/syrian-rebels-behead-christian-feed-him-to-dogs/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_term=%23tcot&utm_source=twitterfeed)

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Syrian rebels beheaded a Christian man and fed his body to dogs, according to a nun who says the West is ignoring atrocities committed by Islamic extremists.

The nun said taxi driver Andrei Arbashe, 38, was kidnapped after his brother was heard complaining that fighters against the ruling regime behaved like bandits.

She said his headless corpse was found by the side of the road, surrounded by hungry dogs. He had recently married and was soon to be a father.
(these are the very same Syrian "rebels" that we are getting ready to aid)

If we align ourselves with this garbage God will take it out on us. Of course, it's my belief that is already pretty ticked off about the whole 50 million dead from abortion thing so we aren't exactly in His good graces right about now. That's just what I think, though.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 19, 2013, 12:29:13 AM

A common chant amongst this crew is Christians to Beirut and the Alawites to the grave.  Putin, the other day spoke of the "rebels for peace", talking about them eating the body parts of their victims, his statement hyperbolic.  But they are Sunnis, Sadam Hussein was a Sunni.  They want to bring Sharia to the world. Now, we are going to arm them and you know that's not all we'll do.

Well, that's the ticket,  isn't it? And there goes Leslie, Joanny Mac, Michele Bachman, Marco Rubio beating the war drum, hell, the only politician against it is Rand Paul.  Obama's going to let the Republicans lead and let the blood stain their hands. Yo ho, here comes 2014.

Before this "Arab Spring" Syria was one of the more western Muslim nations.  Now, just as he's doing at home, he's righting all the wrongs caused by the west. /rant off.

Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: warpmine on June 19, 2013, 06:28:59 AM
Should do the correct thing, arm both sides with just enough to perpetuate an endless war until they're almost extinct. Come in later for mop up. Food supplies and medicine should have sterility agents so keep the population heading in the right direction, down.
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Libertas on June 19, 2013, 07:09:44 AM
Should do the correct thing, arm both sides with just enough to perpetuate an endless war until they're almost extinct. Come in later for mop up. Food supplies and medicine should have sterility agents so keep the population heading in the right direction, down.

Noromally I would be all for that.  But in this case the Rooskies have some of there people in the area and the US has theirs.  Neither should want to lose one life to these punks on either side.  I thought Putin put a good smackdown on Barry with that crazy heart-eating line when he asked "Is this who you want to support?"!  BAM!  Not worth one America life.  We don't belong there, zero strategic interest to us (unless Israel gets sucked in and gang-raped by multiple nations, but who really see's Obama helping Israel anyway?)...so if it only came down to a proxy thing and only a bunch of animals got slaughtered, that would be fine, but I don't see Putin backing down to a punk like Obama and Obama is too stupid to know he is outmatched given that psycho's enourmous ego...so I am back to really not liking what the hell is going to go down here!

Oh, and be careful what you supply these animals...it'll likely be used against you too!
Title: Re: Too Early For Discussion About Banning Islam?
Post by: Predator Don on June 20, 2013, 11:00:09 PM
Should do the correct thing, arm both sides with just enough to perpetuate an endless war until they're almost extinct. Come in later for mop up. Food supplies and medicine should have sterility agents so keep the population heading in the right direction, down.

Noromally I would be all for that.  But in this case the Rooskies have some of there people in the area and the US has theirs.  Neither should want to lose one life to these punks on either side.  I thought Putin put a good smackdown on Barry with that crazy heart-eating line when he asked "Is this who you want to support?"!  BAM!  Not worth one America life.  We don't belong there, zero strategic interest to us (unless Israel gets sucked in and gang-raped by multiple nations, but who really see's Obama helping Israel anyway?)...so if it only came down to a proxy thing and only a bunch of animals got slaughtered, that would be fine, but I don't see Putin backing down to a punk like Obama and Obama is too stupid to know he is outmatched given that psycho's enourmous ego...so I am back to really not liking what the hell is going to go down here!

Oh, and be careful what you supply these animals...it'll likely be used against you too!

Putin wasted his smackdown. These are obamas people. Don't think for a nano second he wouldn't eat your heart.