Topic: Virginia strays hard from Founders like Washington, Jefferson, Henry & Lee

[Libertas]

WRSA had this link - https://www.captainsjournal.com/2020/01/27/progs-fully-committed-to-totalitarian-and-anti-second-amendment-politics/ - with more links to follow on this topic, including this one with one particular quote that cannot be emphasized enough:

“A lot of those sanctuary cities and counties across the country don’t go far enough,” said Mack. “What do you do if they still come in and try to take law abiding citizens’ guns? [The sheriffs] need to actually intervene and interpose and not let it happen.”

Agreed, this is the final Rubicon...if tyrants succeed in shredding God-given individual rights then there is nothing left but open warfare if you value liberty over oppression...by marking a line that should never be crossed or even considered to be crossed the only elected law enforcement officers in our nation would be acting in accordance with Founding Principles and for the people and the true spirit and intent of the law by opposing the edicts of would-be genocidal tyrants.



And...not so shocking...the a-hole driving the socialist gun-grab in Virginia is California prog and his demoscat redistricting map upheld with the help of to Obamian progs...

https://identitydixie.com/2019/11/06/the-un-elected-californian-who-engineered-virginias-permanent-democrat-majority/



The sappers for collectivist atrocities of the future are legion...and there must be new strategies to combat them...the least of which is certainly not outright rebellion!

And efforts like this should be seized upon!



Say "no" and "never", say it loud, say it often...say it hard.

[John Florida]

  Leave Virginia and join West Virginia as the population drops so does their power and cuts the money from them. 

[Libertas]

Yup, only obstacle I see...and it is a big one...is Pelosi and her House of seething Sith...no way would they sign off on it.

I found this link and it is choke full of interesting statements and is a nice rundown of the whole issue of secession and our federal compact -

James Madison argued that the Union was a different type of contract. “We are not to consider the Federal Union as analogous to the social compact of individuals: for if it were so, a majority would have a right to bind the rest, and even to form a new constitution for the whole… .” The Constitution was framed by the unanimous consent of the States present in convention assembled in Philadelphia, but it had no teeth until the States, in convention, ratified it. Even at that point, Madison suggested, the States could not bind the rest into accepting the document or remaining in the Union. The Constitution does not have a coercive principle, as Ellsworth called it. An “indissoluble” Union would suggest that it does.
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During the Philadelphia Convention of 1787, Gouverneur Morris of Pennsylvania outlined “the distinction between a federal and a national supreme government; the former being a mere compact resting on the good faith of the parties, the latter having a complete and compulsive operation.” If the Constitution established a federal government, and it did, then the Constitution did not have a “compulsive operation.” In essence, the people of the states in convention could either interpose their sovereignty to arrest the acts of the general government or withdraw from the Union. Morris, a nationalist, recognized that the states still held sway when he suggested that the Constitution be voted on by state and that the states, not a consolidated people, had to ratify the document. The Constitution as ratified in 1787 and 1788 is “a mere compact resting on the good faith of the parties.” That compact can be unilaterally broken at any point by the same people of the States which ratified it.

Neither the Framers nor the ratifiers believed that the Constitution created a “consolidated nation” as Story suggested. It was argued in all state ratifying conventions that the opposite was true. The Union was made “more perfect” but never consolidated. The States still had all powers not delegated to the general government, as the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution clearly illustrates, and every State proposed a “Tenth Amendment” in their suggested bill of rights in the months after ratification. John C. Calhoun wrote that, “I maintain that sovereignty is in its nature indivisible. It is the supreme power in a state, and we might just as well speak of half a square, or half a triangle, as of half a sovereignty.” In other words, delegated powers were still retained by the people of the States at large for their exercise if they chose to rescind that delegation.  Sovereignty can never be divided or surrendered in part. If the states had it in 1776 as Jefferson wrote, then they maintain that sovereignty to this day and thus can exercise that sovereignty through an act of interposition or withdraw.

As for those who suggest that a state carved from the common property of the United States does not have the same sovereignty as the original thirteen states, Jefferson made clear in his Northwest Ordinance of 1787 that new states would enter the Union on “equal footing” with the existing states, meaning that they had the same rights, privileges, and immunities as the original thirteen, including the right of interposition and withdrawal. Jefferson himself authored the Kentucky Resolutions of 1798, a clear indication that he believed as much. Kentucky was not one of the original states, but the people of Kentucky had the same right of recourse that the people of Virginia had in opposing the unconstitutional Sedition Act of 1798. If the argument against this position is correct, then the original thirteen states, themselves pared from the territory of Great Britain, would be illegal and illegitimate. That is not the case.

Secession and interposition—nullification—are healthy discussions to have in a federal republic. There mere threat can, and has, spurred the central government to reform.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/is-secession-legal/

[Libertas]

Illegitimate bills...ignore them, defy them...make them be the thug and commit the first act of violence against you...

https://wset.com/news/at-the-capitol/seven-gun-bills-pass-virginia-house-including-red-flag-law

...then you have the duty to kill every last one of these despots.

[paulh]

Levin, a VA resident, hit it on the head last nite. Called the takeover in the legislature by kamikaze democrats their sole plan. They don't care if they lose re election as long as all this crap passes. Same thing will happen to us if we do not take back the house and lose the senate.

[Libertas]

kamikaze...

Damn...descriptive of many of that ilk!

[paulh]

https://www.fairus.org/legislation/state-local-legislation/drivers-licenses-illegal-aliens-likely-pass-virginia First guns, second kids and now drivers licenses. 

[John Florida]

  Shows you why they don't want you to have guns.

[Libertas]

The dmeoscats in VA blinked...for now...

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/virginia-lawmakers-reject-assault-weapon-ban

...they'll be back...today, tomorrow...goons never stop gooning...

Maybe the should instead go after the real killers...



H/T-WZ

[WilliamVA]

The dmeoscats in VA blinked...for now...

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/virginia-lawmakers-reject-assault-weapon-ban

...they'll be back...today, tomorrow...goons never stop gooning...

Maybe the should instead go after the real killers...



H/T-WZ

Yep!  next year.  VA Legislature meets for 60 days this year, already past the half way point.  They work funny, each house conducts
their business in 30 day increments..  The House of Delegates worked for30 days passing or declining certain legislation, at the
"midpoint/crossover"  each House sends the legislation they have passed to the other house.  In this case the House passed the
control legislation, and at the midpoint passed it to the  Senate.  It survived 1 week in the Senate Committee and was trashed.
It does not get to go back to the House for modification, it's done and over with.   At the end of the 60 day session, the Gov
gets all the passed legislation, he can sign or veto.  Legislature will reconvene for 10 to 15 days to override Veto's,. 
Next year is the short session, 30 days, and election year. 

[John Florida]

  They will try to pass it on the last day and run out of town.

[Alphabet Soup]

  They will try to pass it on the last day and run out of town.

we have a buttload of kkklowns like that here in The Soviet of Washington. They just don't understand the concept of "consent of the people" - much less "Molon Labe".

At this point I don't GAS what they do - I don't consent and won't participate. They recently tried to outlaw private automobiles and then wondered why they were getting death threats - by their own side.

Come at me Bro...

[Libertas]

Nomenklatura...aka dead scum walking.

[John Florida]

  It's not over it's never over. 

[Libertas]

Nope, never.

Look how long this pause lasted before they started up the incremental despotism!

https://iotwreport.com/universal-background-check-other-gun-bills-pass-va-senate/

Effing goons!  An illegal law is not a valid law...nullifying and defying this despotism is the only response Liberty deserves.

[Alphabet Soup]

Nope, never.

Look how long this pause lasted before they started up the incremental despotism!

https://iotwreport.com/universal-background-check-other-gun-bills-pass-va-senate/

Effing goons!  An illegal law is not a valid law...nullifying and defying this despotism is the only response Liberty deserves.

Washington state is being equally relentless at stripping away our constitutional rights. The difference is that Virginians are outraged and fighting - here the sheeple just shrug and say, "What can I do?"...

[benb61]

Nope, never.

Look how long this pause lasted before they started up the incremental despotism!

https://iotwreport.com/universal-background-check-other-gun-bills-pass-va-senate/

Effing goons!  An illegal law is not a valid law...nullifying and defying this despotism is the only response Liberty deserves.

Washington state is being equally relentless at stripping away our constitutional rights. The difference is that Virginians are outraged and fighting - here the sheeple just shrug and say, "What can I do?"...

Same here in Ca.   The bills that were passed in Va have been law here in the Communist Stronghold of Commiefornia for at least 15 years.

[John Florida]

  GET OUT ASAP.  Can't win a vote get out.

[benb61]

  GET OUT ASAP.  Can't win a vote get out.

I plan to, unfortunately ASAP depends on when I can retire/get a job paying what I currently earn.

[John Florida]

  GET OUT ASAP.  Can't win a vote get out.

I plan to, unfortunately ASAP depends on when I can retire/get a job paying what I currently earn.

  Job market is good check around it cant hurt. How long to retirement?